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Old 05-25-04, 09:34 AM
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ALERT!!! Old School Gaming Question - N64 Related

What's the difference between memory cards and controller paks for the N64.

I'm getting ready to trade for a N64 package, and the other trader says he has both, but doesn't understand the difference.

Do I need one or both for each controller?
I'm getting two controllers.

Thanks for any helpful info!
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During the entire time I had an N64, I never used any memory cards. I think all the games still had battery backed saves, the cards were only for moving them to another persons cartridge. So I wouldn't worry about those too much.

Perhaps by controller packs he means rumble packs, these are important if you want force feedback support in your games.

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also, when did the N64 become old school?
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Not all n64 games had battery backed saves, World Driver Championship didn't for instance. As for the question, sorry my memory is fuzzy on it .
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Originally posted by mixalot007
also, when did the N64 become old school?
When the GameCube was released.
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There were at least three accessories for the slot on the N64 controllers that I can think off offhand...

- Memory card. Used only for games that didn't have a battery backup for some reason or another. There weren't that many games that required its use, thankfully. Most of the "must play" N64 games used an internal battery backup. Not only that, but the N64 memory card was HORRIBLY unreliable, and lost data frequently.

- Rumble pack. Came with StarFox 64, and enabled rumbling in supported games. Nice little accessory, but required a couple of AA batteries.

- Microphone. I think there was only one game that supported this ("Hey you, Pikachu" or something like that). Was designed for voice recognition.
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All Konami games need the memory card.

N64 is not "old school," we're only one generation past it.
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I'm not quite sure, but maybe they were talking about the 4meg expansion that was installed into the unit itself?
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For the N64, Nintendo called their memory card a controller pack so they mean the same thing. Also 99.9% of N64 games don't need the controller pack/memory card is not required because most games had a built in flash save.
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The 4meg expansion was only used in a few games, IIRC, and came with Donkey Kong. Also used for that Star Wars Rogue squadron game, Perfect Dark, and maybe a couple of others.

I remember when I bought the first N64 Zelda, I specifically asked the guy at Gamestop if I needed a memory card. Of course, he sold me this crappy 3rd party one. The game didn't need it (it took me a couple of days to figure this out), and I don't remember ever using it.

Also, be careful when buying used N64 controllers, as, at least on mine, the analog stick tends to wear out.
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Majora's Mask needs to 4M Expansion as well. Awesome game.
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One of the more interesting add ons was Bio-Tetris. I imported it. Pretty fun. There was a pak that went into the controller, and had a wire that attached to your earlobe. It read your heart rate. Depending on how you set up the game you could make it get easier or harder depending on how fast your heart was beating. Very cool.
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Originally posted by PixyJunket
All Konami games need the memory card.
Yeah I remember renaming all my winning eleven players to their correct names, and then having them all erase from my memory card for an unknown reason a few weeks later!
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Anything past the Odyssey is not old school.

Quake 2 and Turok 2 used the expansion pack as well to provide slight resolution and frame rate increases. They didn't require it, though.
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I doubt it's 99%... Blast corps needs a memory pack and most would consider that a must have game. Admittedly can't think of any others off the top of my head right now.
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Originally posted by Chris_D
I doubt it's 99%... Blast corps needs a memory pack and most would consider that a must have game. Admittedly can't think of any others off the top of my head right now.
I'm pretty sure that Blast Corps didn't require the memory pak...
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Yeah, I don't think Blast Corps needed a memory pack. It was one of the first games i got, and I didn't get a memory card until my Zelda experience.

Anyway, getting back to the purpose of this topic, one memory card should be enough for any games you get. Although you can put one in every controller, you don't need to. And if he's talking about rumble packs, they're not necessary and you can probably get them really cheap anyways.
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Nope I own Blast Corps and it does not require any controller pak (memory card).
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Originally posted by PixyJunket
N64 is not "old school," we're only one generation past it.
THANK YOU

I dont mean to sound like a troll but everytime some random teen kid comes to my store it's not to rare to hear them cry out "ooooooh old school!" when they see the N64 section. UGG!! 15 minutes ago was old school to them .


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Originally posted by zero
THANK YOU

I dont mean to sound like a troll but everytime some random teen kid comes to my store it's not to rare to hear them cry out "ooooooh old school!" when they see the N64 section. UGG!! 15 minutes ago was old school to them .


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that is because today's kids are growing up on rap. With the life span of those artists, 6 months is 'old school' to them.
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Yep, these whipper snappers are pretty funny.
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Originally posted by zero
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Sin and Punishment ownz x100.
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Originally posted by Michael Corvin
that is because today's kids are growing up on rap. With the life span of those artists, 6 months is 'old school' to them.
What an educated statement.
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More info that you wanted...

96 of 296 total US releases have built in save (EEPROM, SRAM or FLASHRAM)

19 of those 96 use the Controller Pak (Memory Card) as either an alternate save method or for additional save data.

1 of those 96 (Star Wars: Rogue Squadron) can also use Passwords to save.

2 games only use Passwords to save: Charlie Blasts Territory and Monster Truck Madness 64.

17 games have no save method at all.

168 games all use Controller Pak (Memory Card) to save.

13 of the 168 games that use the Controller Pak can also use passwords to save.

100% of all 1st Party N64 use built in save.


Detailed Info:

The following 96 of 296 total releases have built in save:

1080ş Snowboarding
AeroFighters Assault
All Star Tennis '99
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
Big Mountain 2000
Blast Corps
Body Harvest
Bomberman 64
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack
Bomberman Hero
Chameleon Twist
Chopper Attack
Command & Conquer
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Cruis'n Exotica
Cruis'n USA
Cruis'n World
Diddy Kong Racing
Donald Duck: Goin' Quackers
Donkey Kong 64
Dr. Mario 64
Earthworm Jim 3D
Excitebike 64
F-1 World Grand Prix
Fighters Destiny
F-Zero X
Glover
GoldenEye 007
GT64 Championship Edition
Harvest Moon 64
Hey You, Pikachu!
In Fisherman Bass Hunter 64
Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
Indy Racing 2000
Jet Force Gemini
Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest
Killer Instinct Gold
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The
Lode Runner 3D
Looney Tunes: Duck Dodgers
Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr.
Mario Golf
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Megaman 64
Mickey's Speedway USA
Mischief Makers
Mission: Impossible
Monopoly
Multi-Racing Championship
NBA Courtside 2 Featuring Kobe Bryant
New Tetris, The
Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
Paper Mario
Penny Racers
Perfect Dark
PGA European Tour
Pilotwings 64
Pokémon Puzzle League
Pokémon Snap
Pokémon Stadium
Pokémon Stadium 2
Resident Evil 2
Ridge Racer 64
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
Snowboard Kids 2
Space Station Silicon Valley
Star Fox 64
Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth
Star Wars Episode I: Battle for Naboo
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Starcraft 64
Starshot Space Circus
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros.
Tetrisphere
Tigger's Honey Hunt
Tom & Jerry in Fists of Furry
Top Gear Overdrive
V-Rally Edition '99
Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
Wave Race 64
WCW/NWO Revenge
Worms Armageddon
WWF Wrestlemania 2000
WWF: No Mercy
Yoshi's Story

19 of the above 96 use the Controller Pak (Memory Card) as either an alternate save method or for additional save data:

Big Mountain 2000
Blast Corps
Bomberman 64
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack
Cruis'n USA
Diddy Kong Racing
Excitebike 64
Fighters Destiny
GT64 Championship Edition
Killer Instinct Gold
Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
Mario Kart 64
Multi-Racing Championship
New Tetris, The
Penny Racers
Perfect Dark
Wave Race 64
WWF Wrestlemania 2000
WWF: No Mercy

The 2 following games only use Passwords to save:

Charlie Blasts Territory
Monster Truck Madness 64

The following 168 games all use Controller Pak (Memory Card) to save:

AeroGauge
Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage
All-Star Baseball 1999
All-Star Baseball 2000
All-Star Baseball 2001
Army Men: Air Combat
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2
Asteroids Hyper 64
Automobili Lamborghini
BASS Masters 2000
BattleTanx
BattleTanx: Global Assault
Battlezone: Rise of the Black Dogs
Beetle Adventure Racing
Bio F.R.E.A.K.S.
Blues Brothers 2000
Bottom of the 9th
Brunswick Circuit Pro Bowling
Buck Bumble
Bug's Life, A
Bust-A-Move 2: Arcade Edition
Bust-A-Move '99
California Speed
Carmageddon 64
Castlevania
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
Chameleon Twist 2
CyberTiger
Daikatana
Deadly Arts
Destruction Derby 64
Dual Heroes
Duke Nukem 64
Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
ECW: Hardcore Revolution
F1 Pole Position 64
FIFA '99
FIFA Soccer 64
FIFA: Road to World Cup 98
Fighter Destiny 2
Fighting Force 64
Flying Dragon
Forsaken 64
Fox Sports College Hoops '99
Gauntlet Legends
Gex 3: Deep Cover Gecko
Goemon's Great Adventure
Golden Nugget 64
Hercules: The Legendary Journeys
Hexen
Hot Wheels Turbo Racing
Hybrid Heaven
Hydro Thunder
Iggy's Reckin' Balls
International Superstar Soccer 1998
International Superstar Soccer 2000
International Superstar Soccer 64
International Track & Field 2000
Jeremy McGrath Supercross 2000
Knockout Kings 2000
LEGO Racers
Madden 64
Madden NFL 1999
Madden NFL 2000
Madden NFL 2001
Madden NFL 2002
Mia Hamm Soccer 64
Micro Machines 64 Turbo
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits Volume 1
Mike Piazza's Strike Zone
Milo's Astro Lanes
Monaco Grand Prix
Mortal Kombat 4
Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Nagano Winter Olympics '98
Namco Museum 64
Nascar 1999
Nascar 2000
NBA Hang Time
NBA In the Zone 1998
NBA In the Zone 1999
NBA In the Zone 2000
NBA Jam 1999
NBA Jam 2000
NBA Live 1999
NBA Live 2000
NBA Show Time: NBA on NBC
NFL Blitz
NFL Blitz 2000
NFL Blitz 2001
NFL Blitz Special Edition
NFL Quarterback Club 1998
NFL Quarterback Club 1999
NFL Quarterback Club 2000
NFL Quarterback Club 2001
NHL 1999
NHL Blades of Steel '99
NHL Breakaway Hockey '98
NHL Breakaway Hockey '99
Nuclear Strike 64
Off Road Challenge
Olympic Hockey '98
Paperboy
Polaris Snocross
Power Rangers: Lightspeed Rescue
Quake II
Quest 64
Rainbow Six
Rally Challenge 2000
Rampage: World Tour
Rat Attack
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Razor Freestyle Scooter
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing Round 2
Re-Volt
Road Rash 64
Roadsters
Robotron 64
Rugrats in Paris: The Movie
San Francisco Rush 2049
Scooby-Doo: Classic Creep Capers
Shadow Man
Shadowgate 64: Trials of the Four Towers
Snowboard Kids
South Park
South Park Rally
Space Invaders
Spider-Man
Stunt Racer 64
Super Bowling
Supercross 2000
Superman
Tarzan
The World Is Not Enough
Tonic Trouble
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Top Gear Hyper Bike
Top Gear Rally
Top Gear Rally 2
Toy Story 2
Triple Play 2000
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter
Turok: Rage Wars
Twisted Edge Extreme Snowboarding
Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
Virtual Chess 64
Virtual Pool 64
Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey '98
WCW Backstage Assault
WCW Mayhem
WCW Nitro
WCW vs nWo: World Tour
Wetrix
WinBack: Covert Operations
Wipeout 64
World Cup '98
World Driver Championship
WWF: Attitude
WWF: Warzone
Xena: Talisman of Fate

The 13 following games can use passwords to save as well as the Controller Pak (Memory Card):

Armorines: Project S.W.A.R.M.
Doom 64
Extreme-G
Extreme-G 2
Gex 64: Enter the Gecko
Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero
Nightmare Creatures
Quake
Rampage 2: Universal Tour
Rush 2: Extreme Racing USA
S.C.A.R.S.
San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing
Vigilante 8

The following 17 games have no save method at all:

Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
Beast Wars Transmetals
Clay Fighter 63 1/3
Clay Fighter: Sculptor's Cut
Dark Rift
Elmo's Letter Adventure
Elmo's Number Journey
Jeopardy!
Knife Edge: Nose Gunner
Mace: The Dark Age
Magical Tetris Challenge
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Rugrats: Scavenger Hunt
South Park: Chef's Luv Shack
The Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction
War Gods
Wheel of Fortune
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Re: ALERT!!! Old School Gaming Question - N64 Related

Originally posted by clappj
What's the difference between memory cards and controller paks for the N64.

I'm getting ready to trade for a N64 package, and the other trader says he has both, but doesn't understand the difference.

Do I need one or both for each controller?
I'm getting two controllers.

Thanks for any helpful info!

To answer your question. Memory Cards and Controller Paks are the same thing. They are a memory card for saving game data that plugs into your controller. Not all games require or even use the controller pak (see the list in my previous post for details). There is also the expansion pak which is a 4MB memory upgrade for the N64 that is required for certain games:

Donkey Kong 64
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The
Perfect Dark (technically it may not be required, but I don't think you can play the complete game without it)

Or enhances others:

Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage
All-Star Baseball 2000
All-Star Baseball 2001
Armorines: Project S.W.A.R.M.
Army Men: Air Combat
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes
Army Men: Sarge's Heroes 2
Battlezone: Rise of the Black Dogs
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
Command & Conquer
CyberTiger
Daikatana
Donald Duck: Goin' Quackers
Donkey Kong 64 Kiosk
Duke Nukem: Zero Hour
Excitebike 64
Excitebike 64 Kiosk
Gauntlet Legends
Hybrid Heaven
Hydro Thunder
Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
Indy Racing 2000
International Superstar Soccer 2000
International Track & Field 2000
Jeremy McGrath Supercross 2000
Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest
Madden NFL 2000
Madden NFL 2001
Madden NFL 2002
NFL Blitz 2001
NFL Blitz Special Edition
NFL Quarterback Club 1999
NFL Quarterback Club 2000
NFL Quarterback Club 2001
Nuclear Strike 64
Quake II
Rainbow Six
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Resident Evil 2
Re-Volt
Road Rash 64
Roadsters
San Francisco Rush 2049
Shadow Man
South Park
Spider-Man
Star Wars Episode I: Battle for Naboo
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Starcraft 64
Stunt Racer 64
Supercross 2000
The World Is Not Enough
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Top Gear Hyper Bike
Top Gear Overdrive
Top Gear Rally 2
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil
Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion
Turok: Rage Wars
Vigilante 8
Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense
Xena: Talisman of Fate


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