Too MUCH squeeze on 16:9 enhancement
05-14-04, 12:44 PM
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Too MUCH squeeze on 16:9 enhancement
I was looking for a smaller flat screen and Best Buy had the new 20" Wega in. Great little TV. One of features is 16:9 enhancement.
I think it is squeezing the picture WAY too much.
Here's what I've got
DVD Player -> Component Cables -> TV
16:9 enhancement ON
Player set to 16:9 output
I used two anamorphic discs to check: 24 and Atlantis: CE
When I have the player set to 4:3 and the 16:9 off, everything looks normally apportioned
When I set the player to 16:9 and turn 16:9 on, there is SEVERE squeeze
24 was not so bad, but it was noticeable. Atlantis looked it literally lost 1/3 of the displayed picture.
Is this right? Should I be losing this much of the displayed picture to the squeeze? If so, this TV is going back.
Now, I'm fairly certain that my player DOES NOT have progressive scan. Would this be making the difference
I think it is squeezing the picture WAY too much.
Here's what I've got
DVD Player -> Component Cables -> TV
16:9 enhancement ON
Player set to 16:9 output
I used two anamorphic discs to check: 24 and Atlantis: CE
When I have the player set to 4:3 and the 16:9 off, everything looks normally apportioned
When I set the player to 16:9 and turn 16:9 on, there is SEVERE squeeze
24 was not so bad, but it was noticeable. Atlantis looked it literally lost 1/3 of the displayed picture.
Is this right? Should I be losing this much of the displayed picture to the squeeze? If so, this TV is going back.
Now, I'm fairly certain that my player DOES NOT have progressive scan. Would this be making the difference
05-14-04, 01:03 PM
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'24' has an aspect ratio of 1.78:1 (16:9). Atlantis is a wider movie, with a ratio of 2.35:1.
Assuming this is a standard 4:3 TV, you should see moderate black bars on '24' and larger black bars on Atlantis. If working properly, you'd want to leave the DVD player set for 16:9 at all times and only adjust the aspect ratio on the TV. In theory, putting both the DVD player and the TV into 16:9 mode should have the same proportions on this set as turning them both off. If you're seeing a difference, the TV's 16:9 mode may have a flaw.
Assuming this is a standard 4:3 TV, you should see moderate black bars on '24' and larger black bars on Atlantis. If working properly, you'd want to leave the DVD player set for 16:9 at all times and only adjust the aspect ratio on the TV. In theory, putting both the DVD player and the TV into 16:9 mode should have the same proportions on this set as turning them both off. If you're seeing a difference, the TV's 16:9 mode may have a flaw.
05-14-04, 01:08 PM
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I actually purposely chose the differing aspect ratios for my test Josh 
Yes, it's a 4:3, flat screen TV.
What I mean to say is that using the squeeze mode results in wider BLACK bars, and noticeably so, effectively making using the 16:9 enhancement resulting in less viewing area.
Yes, it's a 4:3, flat screen TV.
What I mean to say is that using the squeeze mode results in wider BLACK bars, and noticeably so, effectively making using the 16:9 enhancement resulting in less viewing area.
05-14-04, 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by DVD Josh
I actually purposely chose the differing aspect ratios for my test Josh
Yes, it's a 4:3, flat screen TV.
What I mean to say is that using the squeeze mode results in wider BLACK bars, and noticeably so, effectively making using the 16:9 enhancement resulting in less viewing area.
I actually purposely chose the differing aspect ratios for my test Josh
Yes, it's a 4:3, flat screen TV.
What I mean to say is that using the squeeze mode results in wider BLACK bars, and noticeably so, effectively making using the 16:9 enhancement resulting in less viewing area.
You have wider (really thicker) black bars because one movie's AR is wider than the other. Just because one movie has more black bar area doesn't mean that it's being squeezed more than the other.
Or are you saying the with the squeeze mode off the black bars on the same movie are smaller than with the squeeze mode on?
05-14-04, 02:34 PM
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No Chipmac, that's not what I mean. Your latter statement is exactly what I'm saying.
Don't worry about the aspect ratios, that's not what I'm talking about.
Essentially, when squeeze mode is on, on ANY anamorphic DVD of ANY aspect ratio, the squeeze is much more pronounced than with it off. That's what I'm talking about.
Don't worry about the aspect ratios, that's not what I'm talking about.
Essentially, when squeeze mode is on, on ANY anamorphic DVD of ANY aspect ratio, the squeeze is much more pronounced than with it off. That's what I'm talking about.
05-14-04, 03:44 PM
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You should probably test with Avia's patterns to see exactly what's going on.
I have the 20" Toshiba with squeeze and I used Avia to fix the overscan and centering. It also showed the squeeze to work correctly.
I have the 20" Toshiba with squeeze and I used Avia to fix the overscan and centering. It also showed the squeeze to work correctly.
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Originally posted by X
You should probably test with Avia's patterns to see exactly what's going on.
I have the 20" Toshiba with squeeze and I used Avia to fix the overscan and centering. It also showed the squeeze to work correctly.
You should probably test with Avia's patterns to see exactly what's going on.
I have the 20" Toshiba with squeeze and I used Avia to fix the overscan and centering. It also showed the squeeze to work correctly.
What model Toshiba do you have to the squeeze function?
Does Avia have a test pattern for 16:9 enhancement specfically?
05-18-04, 09:41 AM
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DVD Josh, I know exactly what you're talking about. Most TV's that offer squeeze don't have the squeezed screen set at the right aspect. It's very easy to fix, it's all in the service menu. Read these pages to fix the problem and other tweaks for your Wega:
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/brand...sony_tips.html
Rypro 525, yeah it will work, it's just a test pattern that shows how much overscan your TV has. It doesn't fix anything. To fix too much overscan you'd have to get into the service menu of your TV.
http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/brand...sony_tips.html
Rypro 525, yeah it will work, it's just a test pattern that shows how much overscan your TV has. It doesn't fix anything. To fix too much overscan you'd have to get into the service menu of your TV.
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what you really should have done is bypassed this whole mess and gotten yourself a 16:9 TV
My family watches very littel actual network television and half of what they do watch, they watch in HD mode (which is broadcast in 16:9 for the most part) and teh rest is watching movies, so it made snese to make the WSTV plunge (that and its going to be standard in the very near future anyway)
So essentially, you just need to figure out what your really gonna use the TV for - movies and HighDef...go 16:9 - regular tv....well 4:3 will do it for you for now....but you'll wish you did it sooner.
Good luck
My family watches very littel actual network television and half of what they do watch, they watch in HD mode (which is broadcast in 16:9 for the most part) and teh rest is watching movies, so it made snese to make the WSTV plunge (that and its going to be standard in the very near future anyway)
So essentially, you just need to figure out what your really gonna use the TV for - movies and HighDef...go 16:9 - regular tv....well 4:3 will do it for you for now....but you'll wish you did it sooner.
Good luck
