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Rypro 525
05-09-04, 10:28 PM
just watched the movie today, and have a few questions
i noticed very early on that there are several flashes here and there. is it a problem or are those supposed to be something.
when Tyler mentions all of the rules of fight club, one of the rules is "all competitors that fight must be shirtless", but when Bob (meat loaf), fights there, his shirt is on, why?
at the end of the movie, the narrator shoots himself in the mouth with a gun, so i guess he could kill the image of Tyler, but how does he live? i would think that a bullet through the mouth would kill instantly.

Robert
05-09-04, 10:31 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/trivia

The imdb is your friend.:)

A bullet through the cheek would not kill someone instantly.

Drop
05-09-04, 10:32 PM
The flashes were Tyler.

Do we need to see Bob's bitch tits? Plus I think it would be an unfair disadvantge for Bob to have his breasts bouncing around.

It didn't hit his brain at all, bounced off his jaw actually, check the slow mo. He certainly will lose a lot of blood. Also, it's just a movie.

BigPete
05-09-04, 10:34 PM
1) You apparently didn't watch the movie well enough. Go watch it again.

2) It was in everyone's best interests to hide the bitch tits. As long as his opponent agreed, the rules were waived.

3) A cheek is nothing but tissue. Piercing it is no big deal. The only question would be the gas dynamics of a gun firing into an enclosed space ... I think it would be quite survivable.

Rypro 525
05-09-04, 10:36 PM
so in order for me to see the subliminal "penis" shots, i would have to do a slow mo on the dvd i guess? also, all movie rules that i know of is that if you are shot through the mouth in any way, they die.

BigPete
05-09-04, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
so in order for me to see the subliminal "penis" shots, i would have to do a slow mo on the dvd i guess? also, all movie rules that i know of is that if you are shot through the mouth in any way, they die.

Actually, no. They are incredibly easy to see and fully discern at regular speed with the naked eye. And only one of them is a penis.

Jackskeleton
05-09-04, 10:40 PM
Wow rypro.. really.. wow. the questions are already answered. I would have thought by now everyone would have been through fight club.

Even in my first viewing I saw tyler in the flashes. Just so you know, the penis at the end is suppose to be there. No one spliced a porn into the dvd while you weren't looking

Movie rules also state that if you are the hero of the film you can take a bullet or two while the bad guys can't.

Rypro 525
05-09-04, 10:42 PM
guess i wasn't looking. (they came to me as a surprise, since i tried to go without reading threads or articles about the movie.)

Jackskeleton
05-09-04, 10:43 PM
Did you really miss the explaination tyler did about the cigertte burn? or the last penis shot that stayed on a bit to long?

Rypro 525
05-09-04, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Did you really miss the explaination tyler did about the cigertte burn? or the last penis shot that stayed on a bit to long? i did here his conversation about what he does (splices bits of porn into family movies since he is a projectionist at a movie theater. btw, which of the commentaries are best to listen to, since i might listen to one of them tonight.

Robert
05-09-04, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
i did here his conversation about what he does (splices bits of porn into family movies since he is a projectionist at a movie theater. btw, which of the commentaries are best to listen to, since i might listen to one of them tonight.

The Pitt, Norton, Fincher, Bonham-Carter one.

Drexl
05-09-04, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
also, all movie rules that i know of is that if you are shot through the mouth in any way, they die.

It's also a rule that you don't talk about Fight Club, yet what did you do...

NaturalMystic79
05-09-04, 11:17 PM
Okay, so if he shot himself in the mouth and survived, why did Tyler Durden die? Was it because Jack WANTED to end the alterate personality's life? (Tyler Durden).

cruzness
05-09-04, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Drexl
It's also a rule that you don't talk about Fight Club, yet what did you do...
You broke the first 2 rules ;)

Rypro 525
05-09-04, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by NaturalMystic79
Okay, so if he shot himself in the mouth and survived, why did Tyler Durden die? Was it because Jack WANTED to end the alterate personality's life? (Tyler Durden). I do believe that was the reason.

milo bloom
05-09-04, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by NaturalMystic79
Okay, so if he shot himself in the mouth and survived, why did Tyler Durden die? Was it because Jack WANTED to end the alterate personality's life? (Tyler Durden).

To expand on Rypro's answer, you have to accept that a lot of Tyler's teachings do make some sense. The Narrator had to do something amazing and mind-blowing (without blowing his mind out), similar to the acid burn scene where he teaches him to accept the pain. Inflicting that much pain upon himself and living proved to himself that he didn't need an alternate persona to be what he wanted to be. From then on, he can be tough if he needs to be, but he doesn't have to be a psycho.


As for Bob's bitch tits, I think one of the commentaries mentions them creating a "tit suit" that looked decent, but they figured it was just better to leave his shirt on. I can picture Bob starting to take off his shirt and all the other guys going "woah there fella! TMI!"

And I caught the flashes the first time. They're fairly obvious.

caiman
05-09-04, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by NaturalMystic79
Okay, so if he shot himself in the mouth and survived, why did Tyler Durden die? Was it because Jack WANTED to end the alterate personality's life? (Tyler Durden).

Basically, yes. When Norton's character (his name isn't Jack) pulled the trigger, he had made the conscious decision to destroy himself as well as Tyler. So in his mind, he did kill Tyler. And since Tyler was only real in his mind, that's all that mattered.

And just for the hell of it, here are the 4 instances of single-frame shots of Tyler spliced into the movie:

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9044/fightclub1.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2423/fightclub2.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6915/fightclub3.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6294/fightclub4.jpg

Drop
05-10-04, 12:56 AM
I'm not sure how many of you saw this in the theatres, I did, and I thought the subliminal Tylers were much harder to see. Maybe it has something to do with film, or maybe just my first viewing. Can anyone confirm that?

Tarantino
05-10-04, 01:15 AM
Yeah, I only caught like...2 in the theaters and thought I was seeing things.

cultshock
05-10-04, 04:52 AM
I first saw the film in the theatre and I only caught the middle two subliminal Tyler instances. I remember thinking "WTF was that??" :lol: The "subliminal" penis at the end of the film was hard to miss though.

flashburn
05-10-04, 08:41 AM
I am convinced that Rypro doesn't ever watch movies, but fast forward through them.

Rypro 525
05-10-04, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by flashburn
I am convinced that Rypro doesn't ever watch movies, but fast forward through them. having never seen this movie, why would i fast forward to the "good parts" -wink-

flashburn
05-10-04, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
having never seen this movie, why would i fast forward to the "good parts" -wink-
Hey, I didn't say you fast forward to the good parts. I said you fast forward through the entire movie.

I am also reminded to the Kill Bill thread where you also didn't seem to be clued into some of the blatently obvious things in the movie. ;)

Rypro 525
05-10-04, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by flashburn
Hey, I didn't say you fast forward to the good parts. I said you fast forward through the entire movie.

I am also reminded to the Kill Bill thread where you also didn't seem to be clued into some of the blatently obvious things in the movie. ;) after swatching vol 1 again a few days ago, it is fairly obvious in that volume even.

oh and i did watch the commentary for about 30 min (was tired), and it was still hard to tell what was in the blips. maybe the transfer is a bit dark, or maybe i need to watch the movie when not tired. (oh and who ever posted the screencaps above, can you post the actual subliminal images linked)

Tarantino
05-10-04, 02:36 PM
Rypro's next question...

So...was Tyler real or not? Wasn't he a soap salesman?

Jackskeleton
05-10-04, 02:40 PM
:lol: :lol: nice one tarantino.

Rypro 525
05-10-04, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Tarantino
Rypro's next question...

So...was Tyler real or not? Wasn't he a soap salesman? no, i thought that the soap making was just a cover for the narrator to make bombs.

caiman
05-10-04, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
after swatching vol 1 again a few days ago, it is fairly obvious in that volume even.


I tend to understand movies better when I watch them rather than when I swatch them. Maybe that's your problem?

Rypro 525
05-10-04, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by caiman
I tend to understand movies better when I watch them rather than when I swatch them. Maybe that's your problem? what is "swatching a movie"? sleep watching maybe?

shawagg
05-11-04, 05:06 AM
Wow, this movie has sure stayed popular-- and to think Columbine almost shelved it.
.....

I wonder why woman don't get it?.....

Jackskeleton
05-11-04, 05:31 AM
They must be to busy drooling over what we would ask "is this what a man looks like?"

drjay
05-11-04, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by shawagg
I wonder why woman don't get it?.....
If you mean you wonder why women in general don't get it, I'm not too sure about that. My girlfriend, as well as pretty much every open-minded girl I know, thought it was a great movie. It does have that twisted love story in it, after all.

Josh H
05-11-04, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Drop
I'm not sure how many of you saw this in the theatres, I did, and I thought the subliminal Tylers were much harder to see. Maybe it has something to do with film, or maybe just my first viewing. Can anyone confirm that?

I didn't notice the tyler ones at all in the theater, but did catch the penis at the end. The tyler ones I all caught (and could tell it was him) the first time I watched it on DVD.

I'm not sure why they stand out more, maybe because it's a much smaller viewing area, where as on the theater screen you might not be focusing on the right part of the screen and the exact moments he pos up.

Rubix
05-11-04, 08:22 PM
maybe this debate is over, but for the gun thing i see it this way:

the only way he could get tyler out of his head was to kill himself. so he meant to kill himself... but he accidently aimed to much to the left and the bullet went through his cheek instead of the back of his head/spine.

since he didn't plan to do this, in the split second he fired he assumed he was dead... so his brain erased tyler. then to his surprise he was still alive, just rid of tyler.

attempted suicides and watching buildings around you crumble is a good first date.

Tarantino
05-11-04, 10:35 PM
Wasn't really their first date...really...

The bullet bounced off of his back teeth and went through his cheek.

mgbfan
05-12-04, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by NaturalMystic79
Okay, so if he shot himself in the mouth and survived, why did Tyler Durden die? Was it because Jack WANTED to end the alterate personality's life? (Tyler Durden).

Jack has done what he set out to do. By shooting himself in the mouth, he has forever left the man he once was (Ikea Boy) behind, irrevokably. He is no longer the man he used to be, the man he despised.

With that, the need for his mind to continue to perpetrate the alter-ego of Tyler Durden is eliminated. He's accomplished his goal. Tyler has succeded in making him something that he's no longer ashamed of being. Tyler's now irrelevant.

PenguinJoe
01-20-14, 10:14 AM
Watch ‘Fight Club’s’ First Fight Scene With Tyler Durden Digitally Removed & Forever Understand The Crazy

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Hokeyboy
01-20-14, 10:29 AM
Garfield Minus Garfield makes so much more sense now.

Solid Snake
01-20-14, 11:16 AM
Well that was pointless.

story
01-20-14, 02:55 PM
I thought it was cool.

d2cheer
01-20-14, 04:12 PM
Well that was pointless.

Yup and I would have bet a grand on who bumped it as well...