"Fahrenheit 9/11" DEBUNKED!!!!
05-06-04, 11:08 PM
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"Fahrenheit 9/11" DEBUNKED!!!!
Now as has been rumored, Michael Moore's new film "Fahrenheit 9/11" will attempt to portray a "theory" that the Bush Administration were in cohoots with the bin Laden family here in the States and immediately shipped [flew] them out of the country on private planes during the total shutdown of commercial air traffic.
This whole theory has been debunked as of tonight, Thursday, 6 May.
On the O'Reilly Factor, a gentleman by the name of Mark Hosenball, who's with Newsweek Magazine was involved with this issue from the very beginning and has heard testimony, basically said the following:
1) It was NOT the Bush Admin that rounded up the bin Ladens, in fact, it was the Saudi Government itself, who rounded up, not only the bin Ladens, but 140 Saudi-nationals in the US to fly them back to Saudi Arabia.
2) The Saudi Government flew these 140 Saudi-nationals on 6 separate planes, AFTER commercial air traffic resumed, NOT before.
3) The highly contraversial 9/11 Commission has concluded that before these nationals were sent back, they were vetted and screened by the FBI.
now here's the kicker...
4) This screening and vetting was cleared by none other than...ready for this...wait for it...Richard Clarke. Yes, THAT Richard Clarke. So the great hero for the Left these days is the one fellow who is responsible for letting these Saudi-nationals, including the bin Laden family to "escape" back to Saudi Arabia.
But here's the real question. Can anybody think of/remember WHY this was done? Do you all remember the social climate immediately after 9/11? There was a fear that Americans would launch hate crimes against Arab or Muslims living here. One such incident occurred somewhere where a man assaulted an Indian, who was a Sikh, who of course had nothing to do with 9/11, much less Islam.
So then, with this main example of what Michael Moore intends to portray in his film already debunked, what else is he going to lie about?
This whole theory has been debunked as of tonight, Thursday, 6 May.
On the O'Reilly Factor, a gentleman by the name of Mark Hosenball, who's with Newsweek Magazine was involved with this issue from the very beginning and has heard testimony, basically said the following:
1) It was NOT the Bush Admin that rounded up the bin Ladens, in fact, it was the Saudi Government itself, who rounded up, not only the bin Ladens, but 140 Saudi-nationals in the US to fly them back to Saudi Arabia.
2) The Saudi Government flew these 140 Saudi-nationals on 6 separate planes, AFTER commercial air traffic resumed, NOT before.
3) The highly contraversial 9/11 Commission has concluded that before these nationals were sent back, they were vetted and screened by the FBI.
now here's the kicker...
4) This screening and vetting was cleared by none other than...ready for this...wait for it...Richard Clarke. Yes, THAT Richard Clarke. So the great hero for the Left these days is the one fellow who is responsible for letting these Saudi-nationals, including the bin Laden family to "escape" back to Saudi Arabia.
But here's the real question. Can anybody think of/remember WHY this was done? Do you all remember the social climate immediately after 9/11? There was a fear that Americans would launch hate crimes against Arab or Muslims living here. One such incident occurred somewhere where a man assaulted an Indian, who was a Sikh, who of course had nothing to do with 9/11, much less Islam.
So then, with this main example of what Michael Moore intends to portray in his film already debunked, what else is he going to lie about?
05-06-04, 11:16 PM
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well, it was on the "O'Riley Factor", so it MUST be true...
but, perhaps I skipped the part where it debunked the Bush/Bin Laden connection...?
but, perhaps I skipped the part where it debunked the Bush/Bin Laden connection...?
05-06-04, 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by Rogue588
well, it was on the "O'Riley Factor", so it MUST be true...
but, perhaps I skipped the part where it debunked the Bush/Bin Laden connection...?
well, it was on the "O'Riley Factor", so it MUST be true...
but, perhaps I skipped the part where it debunked the Bush/Bin Laden connection...?
05-06-04, 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Groucho
How can you "debunk" a film you haven't even seen?
How can you "debunk" a film you haven't even seen?
05-07-04, 12:09 AM
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You know how you hate when people like Moore go around stating things that sound ridiculous, but he claims them to be completely factual?
So far, it just seems like a bunch of he said/she said bickering. You also have not offered any FACTS to support what you have said. One contrary viewpoint, unsupported by facts does not debunk another viewpoint.
That said, I'm not hoping for more terrorist attacks here in the US, but if they do sneak one past out defenses, I hope it is directed at our government, (Reps & Dems), and not our civilians.
So far, it just seems like a bunch of he said/she said bickering. You also have not offered any FACTS to support what you have said. One contrary viewpoint, unsupported by facts does not debunk another viewpoint.
That said, I'm not hoping for more terrorist attacks here in the US, but if they do sneak one past out defenses, I hope it is directed at our government, (Reps & Dems), and not our civilians.
05-07-04, 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
Because I haven't been living under a rock and have heard through numerous sources what Moore's main line of contention is in this film.
Because I haven't been living under a rock and have heard through numerous sources what Moore's main line of contention is in this film.
05-07-04, 12:47 AM
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Actually, CBC's "The Fifth Estate" here in Canada covered much of what is ostensibly in Moore's doc. last year. The episode has twice been rebroadcast due to understandably intense interest.
Link: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
Pertinent quote from the bottom of page one:
Link: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
Pertinent quote from the bottom of page one:
Sept. 11/2001
The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later.
The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later.
05-07-04, 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Rogue588
well, it was on the "O'Riley Factor", so it MUST be true...
well, it was on the "O'Riley Factor", so it MUST be true...
05-07-04, 01:33 AM
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this thread makes me laugh. O'Reilly debunking a Michael Moore story? Yeah....whatever....
Next you'll be posting Anne Coulter's latest Communist infiltrator list....
05-07-04, 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Norm de Plume
Actually, CBC's "The Fifth Estate" here in Canada covered much of what is ostensibly in Moore's doc. last year. The episode has twice been rebroadcast due to understandably intense interest.
Link: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
Pertinent quote from the bottom of page one:
Actually, CBC's "The Fifth Estate" here in Canada covered much of what is ostensibly in Moore's doc. last year. The episode has twice been rebroadcast due to understandably intense interest.
Link: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html
Pertinent quote from the bottom of page one:
Lot of nut jobs out there, Moore is king though.
05-07-04, 08:33 AM
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Even if it was true, I'm not sure what was expected to be done. It was OSSAMA that planned the attacks, not his family. Does Moore think the US will hold them hostage or something? I have a feeling it wouldn't make a difference anyways.
Guess Moore thinks that the US should capture the families of criminals if they don't have the actual criminal in jail. His next movie questions the fact that the family members of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted arn't in Attica Prison.
Guess Moore thinks that the US should capture the families of criminals if they don't have the actual criminal in jail. His next movie questions the fact that the family members of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted arn't in Attica Prison.
05-07-04, 08:43 AM
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So, new information from a biased source with an agenda cites new testimony that allegedly shows that what is rumored to be in a movie that hasn't been released yet is inaccurate, and Moore is somehow the bad guy here. Right.
The bin Laden's being escorted out of America story has been floating around for quite a while. I assume this is the first time this new information has been made public, and only through one biased source.
Damn Michael Moore. Damn him to hell for not using his time machine to get the story right before he may or may not have said certain things.
The bin Laden's being escorted out of America story has been floating around for quite a while. I assume this is the first time this new information has been made public, and only through one biased source.
Damn Michael Moore. Damn him to hell for not using his time machine to get the story right before he may or may not have said certain things.
05-07-04, 09:55 AM
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Re: "Fahrenheit 9/11" DEBUNKED!!!!
Originally posted by Mike Lowrey
This whole theory has been debunked as of tonight, Thursday, 6 May.
This whole theory has been debunked as of tonight, Thursday, 6 May.
05-07-04, 10:16 AM
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Oh, good lord, NOTHING has been debunked.
How about we wait until the picture comes out (or is heavily screened), before we assume what Moore is going after with the film?
How about we wait until the picture comes out (or is heavily screened), before we assume what Moore is going after with the film?
05-07-04, 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by PopcornTreeCt
Yeah, his theory has been debunked for quite awhile. Check out snopes.com.
Yeah, his theory has been debunked for quite awhile. Check out snopes.com.
It doesn't really debunk Moore's story entirely, though it does debunk some of the more outrageous assertions. Note, though, that the central point Moore's making -- while the rest of us were on lockdown, there were planes flying around the country picking up rich Saudis -- is true.