Projector question

[Venusian]

Question for my sister:

How big of a difference does it make for the projector to be native 16:9?

Can I not get True HD if the projector does 4:3 ratio and I make 16:9?

She was looking to get an Infocus 4800, but it is native 4:3.

[TheMadMonk]

I am by no means an expert, so you may want to verify this info, but this is my understanding:

Originally posted by Venusian
Question for my sister:

How big of a difference does it make for the projector to be native 16:9?

I guess this depends on how much 16:9 stuff you watch.

Can I not get True HD if the projector does 4:3 ratio and I make 16:9?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if the Infocus 4800 (or X1, same projector) was 16:9, it would still not be able to do true HD, because it is only SVGA (800x600). If you are wanting a projector that can do true HDTV resolution (1920 x 1080) be prepared to spend a whole lot more money than you will on the 4800/X1

She was looking to get an Infocus 4800, but it is native 4:3.

While certainly not the top of the line, I have the infocus X1 (4800), and am very happy with it. Especially for $900. Everyone who sees the picture is amazed.

[steebo777]

You will still be able to display 16:9 format (which includes HD content, DVDs, etc.), but you will have pixel-spray (pixels that are turned off on the pixel borad, but still show a small amount of grey coloring) over the top and the bottom of the screen if you use a 16:9 screen. My advice, if her viewing material is 60% or more 16:9 based material, get a 16:9 projector and screen. Otherwise, you can use a 4:3 projector and screen.

Originally posted by TheMadMonk
While certainly not the top of the line, I have the infocus X1 (4800), and am very happy with it. Especially for $900. Everyone who sees the picture is amazed.
No one notices the 'rainbow effect'? I know when I took an X1 home to demo, every single one of my friends and myself noticed it big time.

[Josh Z]

I recommend reading some of the articles at Projector Central (http://www.projectorcentral.com). Here are two of relevance:

4:3 vs. 16:9 (http://www.projectorcentral.com/formats.htm)
Infocus X1 review (http://www.projectorcentral.com/infocus_x1.htm)

[Venusian]

My sister says she can get this:

I can get the ScreenPlay 110 on the refurb side for $1000 - $1300
It is native 16:9.

Here is the link for it:
http://www.infocushome.com/amer/eng/products/screenplay/sp110.asp


she wants to know if that would be better than a new 4800

[Brian Shannon]

With prices dropping on this technology, I personally would not buy a projector that was not 16:9 native.

I would shop around, do reasearch on the net and try to see the projectors available in your local area.

[Josh Z]

Originally posted by Brian Shannon
With prices dropping on this technology, I personally would not buy a projector that was not 16:9 native.

More importantly than that, I would not buy a projector that was only SVGA resolution.

[TheMadMonk]

Originally posted by steebo777
No one notices the 'rainbow effect'? I know when I took an X1 home to demo, every single one of my friends and myself noticed it big time.

No one has complained about the rainbows yet. I can see them, if I try to, mainly when the scene is dark, but lit in a couple places by a bright light or candle. If I move my eyes rapidly at that point, I can see some of the rainbow effect.

I think it is something most people can adjust to. Like the screendoor of LCD projectors.

[TomMiller]

With most DVDs at 16:9, and with HDTV at 16:9, about the only thing left in 4:3 is standard definition TV, and who buys a projector for standard definition TV?

As such, 16:9 is usually ideal, but if the only projectors in your budget are 4:3, I wouldn't worry too much. Most users seem very happy with them.

[gotapex]

I'm pretty happy with my 4:3 projector (with 16:9 screen). I don't think that aspect ratio is as important as overall resolution. Mine is 1400x1050 native, 1400x788 in 16:9 mode. Seems to work fine overall, and there's always the option of using an anamorphic lens to give a squeezed 1400x1050 resolution 16:9 image.

If you're picking up a projector around $1k, the Optoma H30 may be one you want to look at. It has a relatively faster 4x colorwheel.

If you have a $1800 budget, you may want to see if the black levels and screen door of the Panasonic PT-AE500u and Sanyo PLV-Z2 are ok to your eyes. Their higher resolution may look better with HD feed.

[Ergyu]

Originally posted by TheMadMonk
No one has complained about the rainbows yet. I can see them, if I try to, mainly when the scene is dark, but lit in a couple places by a bright light or candle. If I move my eyes rapidly at that point, I can see some of the rainbow effect.

I think it is something most people can adjust to. Like the screendoor of LCD projectors.


I could see them when I got it. My stomach would get a little upset and sometimes I'd get a headache, but it all went away, including the rainbows (unless I look for them) after about 10 hours of use. Only one person has mentioned seeing them so far on mine. No one else has had the same problems I had at first either.

[THORN]

Originally posted by Venusian
Question for my sister:

How big of a difference does it make for the projector to be native 16:9?

Can I not get True HD if the projector does 4:3 ratio and I make 16:9?

She was looking to get an Infocus 4800, but it is native 4:3.

why spend a grand on a non HD res PJ? when u can get a full 720P HD 16x9 PJ for ~$1900 !!!! i just got a panasonic PT-L500U for 1800 (plus change and shipping) its native 16x9 full 1280x720P HD spec .... looks AWESOME!!!!!!! 106" screen is WAY DIFFERENT than my old 27"

if all u have right now is a grand wait till u save the rest .... its well worth the money

T

[Shroud]

If your source material is going to be strictly DVDs, then spending $1,000 or less makes sense. If you have HDTV or planning on purchasing it in the near future then go with a 1/4 HD projector like above.
True HD projectors that support 1080x1920i are still $30,000.
Be sure to do your research on projectors such as DLP vs. LCD, Contrast Ratio, Lumens, Lens Shift, Throw Size and Distance.
SVGA projector is more then enough for DVDs as the 800x600 is better then the DVD standard of 720 x 480. Get a native 16x9 if you prefer Widescreen source. If you go with a native 4:3 projector you can always add a Panamorph lens later and even use the lens in the future on a native 16x9 projector to improve 2.35:1 and above movies.
I bought the X1 and I am extremely happy with it. Infocus has excellent customer service and there is a large fan base to support it with detailed FAQs and walkthrough guides.
Once HDTV becomes the norm in a few more years, the $1,000 projectors will be much more advanced and I will buy one and spend the same money as someone buying the $2,000 projector now.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Shroud
If your source material is going to be strictly DVDs, then spending $1,000 or less makes sense. If you have HDTV or planning on purchasing it in the near future then go with a 1/4 HD projector like above.
True HD projectors that support 1080x1920i are still $30,000.
Be sure to do your research on projectors such as DLP vs. LCD, Contrast Ratio, Lumens, Lens Shift, Throw Size and Distance.
SVGA projector is more then enough for DVDs as the 800x600 is better then the DVD standard of 720 x 480. Get a native 16x9 if you prefer Widescreen source. If you go with a native 4:3 projector you can always add a Panamorph lens later and even use the lens in the future on a native 16x9 projector to improve 2.35:1 and above movies.
I bought the X1 and I am extremely happy with it. Infocus has excellent customer service and there is a large fan base to support it with detailed FAQs and walkthrough guides.
Once HDTV becomes the norm in a few more years, the $1,000 projectors will be much more advanced and I will buy one and spend the same money as someone buying the $2,000 projector now.

What screen are you using?

I'm interested in the X1. I'm putting together a "media room" but since I'm doing a lot more to this house (including new kitchen) then just the media room, I'm on a budget. It will be mainly for DVD watching, but also would be fun to watch sports on the big screen.

How does "normal" tv look on your X1? This will not be our only TV, but sure we will watch some normal TV on it.

[nekobus]

Originally posted by TheMadMonk
No one has complained about the rainbows yet. I can see them, if I try to, mainly when the scene is dark, but lit in a couple places by a bright light or candle. If I move my eyes rapidly at that point, I can see some of the rainbow effect.

I think it is something most people can adjust to. Like the screendoor of LCD projectors.

It depends on how senstive you are to it. Some people never get "used to it". I am very sensitive to the rainbow effect and watching the X1 makes gives me a massive headache and makes me queasy. And this is just sitting and looking straight ahead without moving my head or even trying to see rainbows. If you don't see them consider yourself lucky. -wink-

As some of the others have said, resolution is a very important consideration.

There are some very good background articles and many reviews at:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/

[Knight76]

Personally I wouldnt buy a 4:3 projector. Id rather have the ability to do 16:9 and if I watch 4:3 stuff deal with the black bars either side of the picture.

Venusian really needs to state what purpose his/her sister is primarily going to use it for. But im guessing it would be for Standard def telly and dvd's. Even in this case Id go for a 16:9 projector to somewhat future proof your purchase so when digital becomes more available in your area you can utilise your current projector without having to upgrade again. As long as you are happy with the picture of course.

Also, do extensive research on what projector/s you have in mind and get out there and actually see them running, side by side if you can.

[Shroud]

Originally posted by Sdallnct
What screen are you using?

I'm interested in the X1. I'm putting together a "media room" but since I'm doing a lot more to this house (including new kitchen) then just the media room, I'm on a budget. It will be mainly for DVD watching, but also would be fun to watch sports on the big screen.

How does "normal" tv look on your X1? This will not be our only TV, but sure we will watch some normal TV on it.

Sorry for the late reply. I built a DIY screen using Polywall Plas-tex which was super simple and cost me about $90. I have full instructions and pictures on the DIY project here. I think its looks almost as good as a high dollar professional screen.

My Polywall Plas-tex Screen (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312344&highlight=shroud)

Depends on how you define normal TV. Cable tv looks pretty bad as it is highly compressed and when you blow it up 100" you can see artifacts. Digital Satelite is much better, but not as clear as DVDs. The problem is not with the projector but with broadcast TV. HDTV should look great, but have not experienced it as of yet.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Shroud
Sorry for the late reply. I built a DIY screen using Polywall Plas-tex which was super simple and cost me about $90. I have full instructions and pictures on the DIY project here. I think its looks almost as good as a high dollar professional screen.

My Polywall Plas-tex Screen (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312344&highlight=shroud)

Depends on how you define normal TV. Cable tv looks pretty bad as it is highly compressed and when you blow it up 100" you can see artifacts. Digital Satelite is much better, but not as clear as DVDs. The problem is not with the projector but with broadcast TV. HDTV should look great, but have not experienced it as of yet.

No problem on the late reply. I don't move for yet another month (seems like I have been working on this move FOREVER). I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible right now.

Thanks for the link. Very helpful.

Bummer about the Cable. I just ordered Comcast for our house. I did go digital, don't know if they will help or not. Well, like I say, it is by no means going to be our main TV. It will be for DVD movies mainly. I may however feed it a HD signal. I'm going to have to put some sort of a tuner with it, so might as well make it HD.

I was also looking at the BenQ PB6100 for about the same money. Using the projector "throw" calculator over at Projector Central says the BenQ will make a 79" 4:3 image @ 11'. While the X1 will make a 88" 4:3 image @ 11'. 11 feet is aprox where I'm going to try to mount the projector (currently there is a ceiling fan in that spot, so got electricity). With a 9" bigger screen, I think the X1 is still my top choice for my low budget theater.

[Shroud]

I'm happy with my X1, if you want to go bigger you can always bounce it off a mirror. I did that due to room restriction size and was able to get 100" easily from about 10 foot without the image quality suffering much.
Also when your ready to do a ceiling mount, I will show you how I made mine out of two plastic cutting boards, a long bolt cut into forths and 16 nuts. It works extremely well and is more customable as I can move each corner of the projector up or down to get the image perfect.

[Josh Z]

Originally posted by Sdallnct
Bummer about the Cable. I just ordered Comcast for our house. I did go digital, don't know if they will help or not. Well, like I say, it is by no means going to be our main TV. It will be for DVD movies mainly. I may however feed it a HD signal. I'm going to have to put some sort of a tuner with it, so might as well make it HD.

Even with a "Digital Cable" package, not all of your channels will be digital. The majority of your major broadcast networks are still going to be analog. The quality of the analog channels is inferior to the digital channels.

If you're going with Comcast, be sure to ask them about their HD cable box. Depending on the rates in your area, it's usually an extra $5 a month to rent. Without the HD box, even with a Digital Cable package you won't get any HDTV. With the box, you don't have any additional fees for the HD stations; they come automatically with whatever package you're subscribed to (i.e. if you already pay for regular HBO, you'll have access to HBO-HD).

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Josh Z
Even with a "Digital Cable" package, not all of your channels will be digital. The majority of your major broadcast networks are still going to be analog. The quality of the analog channels is inferior to the digital channels.

If you're going with Comcast, be sure to ask them about their HD cable box. Depending on the rates in your area, it's usually an extra $5 a month to rent. Without the HD box, even with a Digital Cable package you won't get any HDTV. With the box, you don't have any additional fees for the HD stations; they come automatically with whatever package you're subscribed to (i.e. if you already pay for regular HBO, you'll have access to HBO-HD).

Yup that is what it is. $5.00 for the HD box. Plan on getting at least one as in addition to the projector, I'm also going to need to buy a new "regular" TV. It will be (I'm sure), a widescreen HD ready TV.

Basically my set up in the house will most likely go:

In combo family room/living room will have a 42"-50" HD TV (right now the Sony RP-LCD is 1st on my list, with the Samsung RP-DLP 2nd). This will be our "main watching TV" TV. Will have a surround system, DVD, HD cable, TiVo for the wife, etc.

In the media room will have an entry level front projector (X1 is on my short list). This will be mainly for "movie nights" and sports. Will have a surround system, DVD, playstation and cable. Have not yet decide if I want digital/HD here or not.

So I'm trying to balance each and hope they complement each other as I know one will not do it all.

[LuisL]

projectorpeople.com is also a good site. i'm building a house and once it's done plan on buying a projector. i've been thinking about getting the <a href="http://www.projectorpeople.com/hometheater/projdtls.asp?itemid=1155&itmname=Sanyo+PLV%2DZ1"> Sanyo PLV-Z1 Projector</a>

[Sdallnct]

OK Shroud, I'll take you up on your offer. Tell me about your mount for the ceiling. My X1 was delivered this morning. I'm having an electrician come in the next 10 days to remove a ceiling fan and put in a electrical box for the projector (yea, I could do it myself, but I got about 8-10 items of electrical that needs to be done. So I got an electricial I'll hire for like 6 hours to do it all - he will do in six hours what would take me a couple of weeks to do).

My plan it to gather all materials in the next 10 days then start construction on my room by the 1st of the month.



Originally posted by Shroud
I'm happy with my X1, if you want to go bigger you can always bounce it off a mirror. I did that due to room restriction size and was able to get 100" easily from about 10 foot without the image quality suffering much.
Also when your ready to do a ceiling mount, I will show you how I made mine out of two plastic cutting boards, a long bolt cut into forths and 16 nuts. It works extremely well and is more customable as I can move each corner of the projector up or down to get the image perfect.

[Cavalier]

Shroud,
I'm also interested in details on your X1 ceiling mount.
Thx,
Cavalier

[Bru]

it all comes down to taste and what people have owned as you can tell from responses.

I own a X1 and the first time I watched HD over it I was amazed for a SVGA how good it displayed fake HD! :)

still to this day I love how HD looks over my X1 and I have seen the real deal projectors but for the price of my X1 ($750) it looks a million times better than 480P.

point is depending on your tast you don't need to spend $2000 especially with technology changing and prices dropping and the way people upgrade in this hobby.

the X1 matched with the Zenith DVB318 1080i upconverting player it is a match I love!

BTW: there is a guy on ebay who sells a nice mount for $60 shipped, it is of very good quality and even gives some extras. I have used it for 3 projectors so far(my others were XGA's) and each time I have drilled the holes necessary for each projector. so it can be reused in the future if you upgrade or in my case downgrade. :)

the X1 is a great projector. if you can find the original still with DCDI.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Bru
it all comes down to taste and what people have owned as you can tell from responses.

I own a X1 and the first time I watched HD over it I was amazed for a SVGA how good it displayed fake HD! :)

still to this day I love how HD looks over my X1 and I have seen the real deal projectors but for the price of my X1 ($750) it looks a million times better than 480P.

point is depending on your tast you don't need to spend $2000 especially with technology changing and prices dropping and the way people upgrade in this hobby.

the X1 matched with the Zenith DVB318 1080i upconverting player it is a match I love!

BTW: there is a guy on ebay who sells a nice mount for $60 shipped, it is of very good quality and even gives some extras. I have used it for 3 projectors so far(my others were XGA's) and each time I have drilled the holes necessary for each projector. so it can be reused in the future if you upgrade or in my case downgrade. :)

the X1 is a great projector. if you can find the original still with DCDI.

How do you have your X1 hooked up to both a DVD player AND HD? I recently got a progressive scan DVD player and Dish Network. Was going get a HD receiver, but wasn't sure how to hook both things up at once.

Was originally going to hook all thru a receiver with component switching, but if I run it through that it will not be HD anymore, will it?

[Bru]

I'm using a mechanical A/V selector. was an Idea and it worked. found out later many people use them. they work fine and have no degradation problems. $5 off ebay along time ago.

if your reciever has component switching it should be ok but it has to be able to handle HD at a cetain bandwidth (37mhz ?)

my simple A/V selector works great. 4 inputs one output. used the yellow video composite for green component, white audio for blue component and red audio for red component.

don't let anyone tell you different they work fine.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Bru
I'm using a mechanical A/V selector. was an Idea and it worked. found out later many people use them. they work fine and have no degradation problems. $5 off ebay along time ago.

if your reciever has component switching it should be ok but it has to be able to handle HD at a cetain bandwidth (37mhz ?)

my simple A/V selector works great. 4 inputs one output. used the yellow video composite for green component, white audio for blue component and red audio for red component.

don't let anyone tell you different they work fine.

Interesting...you got a link or brand/model number? I think I know what you are talking about, but not 100% sure.

[Sdallnct]

And if I wanted to control all audio AND video switching thru the receiver including HD signals, this is what I would look for in a receiver?

"You also get loads of inputs and outputs, including component video switching with 80MHz bandwidth for flawless HDTV transfer, 5 digital inputs, 5 A/V inputs, and more!"

[gotapex]

80Mhz bandwidth won't give you flawless HDTV transfer, just FYI. It takes a bit more. ;)

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by gotapex
80Mhz bandwidth won't give you flawless HDTV transfer, just FYI. It takes a bit more. ;)

Like???? What should I look for????

[chipmac]

I think the number is 137Mhz for HD.

[gotapex]

http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/750/ln/en


Take a look at BW(-3B) Nominal for 0.5dB flatness (Mhz), and BW(-3B) Nominal for 0.1dB flatness (Mhz) for the transfer you're looking for.

For instance, for 720p (1280x720, progressive) and 1080i (1920x1080, interlaced), it's 111mhz for .5dB, and 255mhz for .1dB flatness.

[Sdallnct]

OK, you guys are getting WAY to technical for me ;)

What I'm looking for then is a not to expensive AV receiver with HD Component switching.

OR

A seperate HD component switcher. Tho I hate to get another item in my system since I will likely only hook up a Toshiba DVD progressive scan DVD player w/built in Tivo AND HD dish network receiver.

[steebo777]

Originally posted by Sdallnct
OK, you guys are getting WAY to technical for me ;)

What I'm looking for then is a not to expensive AV receiver with HD Component switching.

OR

A seperate HD component switcher. Tho I hate to get another item in my system since I will likely only hook up a Toshiba DVD progressive scan DVD player w/built in Tivo AND HD dish network receiver.
Well expect to spend at least a few hundred dollars for option one (true HD switching is still only in a bit more expensive receivers) and about $80 for option two.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by steebo777
Well expect to spend at least a few hundred dollars for option one (true HD switching is still only in a bit more expensive receivers) and about $80 for option two.

OK, but the problem is folks are saying even tho it says "HD" it is not. For example, would the Onkyo 502 work? It says

HDTV-Ready Component Video Input/Output - and has a check

where as the the Onkyo 601 says;

HDTV-Ready Component Video Input/Output 2/1

I'm "guessing" that the 502 only has one HD component input where the 601 has 2 HD component inputs. But is this REALLY HD?

I don't mind getting a new receiver. And a refurbished 601 would be in my price range. I just replaced my really sucky old Sony with a H/K in my living room and love the H/K's power and sound. There mid-level receivers are a little more then what I wanted to spend.

[Sdallnct]

Well found this at the Onkyo site regarding the 501

The TX-SR501 also boasts 50 MHz component video switching, allowing the receiver to switch high definition video signals without degrading video quality.

But chipmac says I need 137 MHz...this is what is comfusing me...

OK, found this regarding the Sunfire (tho way out of my price range and never been a Carver fan anyway),

Three 100MHz+ HDTV compatible wide-bandwidth component video inputs and two outputs

[chipmac]

I'm not totally sure about the 137Mhz although that number sticks in my head but I do know that the number is over 100Mhz and that 50 won't cut it without PQ roll off. There are receivers and switchers that claim to be able to switch HD signals and they will but they don't tell you about the degradation in signal quality when they can't handle the bandwidth properly.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by chipmac
I'm not totally sure about the 137Mhz although that number sticks in my head but I do know that the number is over 100Mhz and that 50 won't cut it without PQ roll off. There are receivers and switchers that claim to be able to switch HD signals and they will but they don't tell you about the degradation in signal quality when they can't handle the bandwidth properly.

OK fair enough and I appreciate the help...can you give me model numbers of receivers that have over 100Mhz? Other then the Sunfire of course. It is just looking thru even some of the more expensive receivers (greater then $600) only show 50 or 80Mhz...

[Sdallnct]

OK, here is a switcher that shows 120Mhz (it is Zektor unit)

4 Inputs, 1 Output Up to four sources of HD component video, and one outputs. Video performance at 37MHz is -0.3dB (avg. of all channels). -3dB bandwidth is over 120MHz.

A high end H/K unit (DPR 1001) states

Wideband, HDTV-Ready Component Video Switching 2 Inputs/1 output

So don't know if that works or not. But it is a "digital path receiver". Would that make a difference?

This new Yamaha (HTR 5790) states,

High Picture Quality

Component Video Up Conversion

HDTV (720p/1080i) Compatibility

Wide-Range Video Bandwidth (60MHz -3 dB)

So guess that doesn't cut it....

[nekobus]

Originally posted by Sdallnct
OK fair enough and I appreciate the help...can you give me model numbers of receivers that have over 100Mhz? Other then the Sunfire of course. It is just looking thru even some of the more expensive receivers (greater then $600) only show 50 or 80Mhz...

It's gonna cost you. 100Mhz of bandwidth has traditionally started at about the $1k price level of the receiver market. Most lower end receivers top out at 40Mhz. Onkyo has been an exception with 50Mhz in their last couple of models.

For passing HD signals without any problem you need around 100Mhz or so. Check out these two pages for more info:

http://www.zektor.com/support/componentvideo.htm

http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/750/ln/en (only if you love math. ;) )

For a high bandwidth switch, a take a look at the Inday RGB4X-R. It's a $149, 4 into 1, remote equipped, 230Mhz bandwidth component switch:

http://www.inday.com/rgb4x/rgb4x.htm

Here's a review:

http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/interfaces/switches/inday/inday.html

[gotapex]

The Inday one is very good, especially for the price.

[Sdallnct]

Thanks guys...

While I don't like the idea of adding another component, it looks like I would come out way ahead $$ wise if I go the switcher rout. Especially since it looks fairly easy to add the switching to a universal remote....

[Bcolon]

What about cables? If I mount my projector to the ceiling I will need some really long cables to make it to my av system. Any suggestions on where I can buy these?

[Sdallnct]

In 25 ft. length I found these, $70, $30, $126

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2028&sku=29643

http://www.cablewholesale.com/catalog/componentvideo.htm

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/component/vgatocomponentprices.htm

Quite a range in price. Any suggestions or other recommendations?

[Bcolon]

Thanks Sdallnct!

I've also been reading over at AVS and there is one post over there where a guy tals about running RG6 cables and then capping them with RCA heads in order to make a component or composite cable. Has anyone here done this? Is there a loss in picture quality?

[gotapex]

RG6 is very good, better than most of the cables out there. Even many boutique cables are RG59.

You do have to do a good job with the RCA's, of course, and make sure they're true 75ohm.

[Bru]

Sdallnct: no need to buy expensive stuff. personally I would not listen to these guys. I don't play the numvers game. let your eyes judge. If my eyes can't see it then I don't believe it. I tried with and without my $5 cheap RCA A/V selector and there was no difference.


Sdallnct: my model is a RCA A/V Selector and the model# is VH-911 . its a small little black box with 4 buttons on top and has 4 inputs and 1 output. use the reg yellow video and left and right red/white audio for component. yellow input plug in your green component. red audio input plug in your red component. white audio input plug in your blue component.

that easy!

walmart sells it for $17

I got mine on ebay for $5 shipped.

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Bru
Sdallnct: no need to buy expensive stuff. personally I would not listen to these guys. I don't play the numvers game. let your eyes judge. If my eyes can't see it then I don't believe it. I tried with and without my $5 cheap RCA A/V selector and there was no difference.


Sdallnct: my model is a RCA A/V Selector and the model# is VH-911 . its a small little black box with 4 buttons on top and has 4 inputs and 1 output. use the reg yellow video and left and right red/white audio for component. yellow input plug in your green component. red audio input plug in your red component. white audio input plug in your blue component.

that easy!

walmart sells it for $17

I got mine on ebay for $5 shipped.

Thanks for the info. I might start with that and see what happens. A buddy of mine is coming in town in a week to help me build as much as possible in my media room. I really want to get everything up and running. Once I get it up and running, I can always play with things, try differnt components, etc.

And while I'm not trying to "skimp", I'm doing this on a budget (building my own screen, ceiling mount, riser, etc). So I like the idea of at least trying something cheaper 1st. There really is "no harm, no foul".

Thanks again

[Bru]

you got it bud!

here's a beer to cheap thinking. *cheers*

[Sdallnct]

Originally posted by Bru
you got it bud!

here's a beer to cheap thinking. *cheers*

Picked one up tonight. They had it just as you said and same price as well. Hopefully will get everything up in running in about 2 weeks.

Thanks again!