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Y2K Falcon
04-20-04, 04:43 PM
PLEASE NOTE: I CHANGED THE POLL TO VOTE FOR YOUR BOTTOM THREE.

http://www.idolonfox.com/mboard/images/main.jpg

As always, make your song predictions!


The Finalists (alphabetical order)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_fantasiab.jpg
Fantasia Barrino - 19 (High Point, NC)
Previous songs: "Something To Talk About" (Semi-Finals), "Signed Sealed Delivered" (Soul), "Always on my Mind" (Country), "Heard it Through the Grapevine" (Motown), "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" (Elton John), "Summertime" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_dianad.jpg
Diana DeGarmo - 16 (Snellville, GA)
Previous songs: "I've Got The Music In Me" (Semi-Finals), "Think" (Soul), "A Broken Wing" (Country), "Do You Love Me?" (Motown), "I'm Still Standing" (Elton John), "My Heart Will Go On" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_jenniferh.jpg
Jennifer Hudson - 22 (Chicago, IL)
Previous songs: "Imagine", "I Believe In You and Me" (Semi-Finals) (Randy's Wildcard), "Baby I Love You" (Soul), "No one else on earth" (Country), "Heat Wave" (Motown), "Circle of Life" (Elton John), "I Have Nothing" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_georgeh.jpg
George Huff - 22 (New Orleans, LA)
Previous songs: "Always & Forever" (Semi-Finals), "Lean On Me" (Wildcard) (Simon's Wildcard), "Dock of the Bay" (Soul), "I Can Love You Like That" (Country), "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" (Motown), "Take Me to the Pilot" (Elton John), "Against All Odds" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_latoyal.jpg
LaToya London - 25 (Oakland, CA)
Previous songs: "All By Myself" (Semi-Finals), "Ain't Nobody" (Soul), "Ain't Goin' Down Till the Sun Comes Up" (Country), "(Oooohhhhh) Baby, Baby" (Motown), "Someone Saved My Life Tonight" (Elton John), "Somewhere (There's a Place For Us)" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_johns.jpg
John Stevens - 16 (East Amherst, NY)
Previous songs: "She's Always A Woman" (Semi-Finals), "Lately" (Soul), "King of the Road" (Country), "My Girl" (Motown), "Crocodile Rock" (Elton John), "As Time Goes By" (Movies)

http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_jasminet.jpg
Jasmine Trias - 17, (Mililani, HI)
Previous songs: "Run To You" (Semi-Finals), "Inseperable" (Soul), "Breathe" (Country), "You're All I Need to Get By" (Motown), "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" (Elton John), "When I Fall in Love" (Movies)



Gone:
http://origin.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_leahv.jpg Leah "Pack Your Bags" LaBelle - 17 (Seattle, WA) Voted off 3/17/04 (Paula's Wildcard)
http://origin.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_mattr.jpg Matt "Rose Bowl" Rogers - 25 (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) Voted off 3/24/04
http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_amya.jpg Amy "Pink Hair Isn't as Cool When Mom Does It Too" Adams - 24 (Bakersfield, CA) Voted off 3/31/04
http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_camillev.jpg Camile "B.M." Velasco - 18 (Haiku, Maui) Voted off 4/7/04
http://www.idolonfox.com/contestants/images/index_johnpl.jpg John Peter "Spazz" Lewis - 24 (Rexburg, ID) Voted off 4/15/04 (America's Wildcard)

Previous AI Season 3 threads through the start of the Semis:

<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=358391'>Movie Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356955&perpage=25&pagenumber=1'>Music of Elton John Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=355500&highlight=Idol'>Motown Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=354383&highlight=Idol'>Country Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=353150&highlight=Idol'>Soul Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=351914&highlight=Idol'>Wild Card Night</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350603&highlight=Idol'>Semi-Finals Group 4</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=349120&highlight=Idol'>Semi-Finals Group 3</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347816&highlight=Idol'>Semi-Finals Group 2</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=346565&highlight=Idol'>Semi-Finals Group 1</a>
<a href = 'http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=345379&highlight=Idol'>Announcing the Semi-Finalists</a>

Patman
04-20-04, 04:56 PM
So who's gonna butcher "Mandy"?

das Monkey
04-20-04, 05:01 PM
Always good to see people voting before the show. :up:

As for predictions, I predict this show will be painful.

das

Y2K Falcon
04-20-04, 05:26 PM
JPL was the perfect candidate for "Mandy".

Now...

I remember all my life
raining down as cold as ice.
Shadows of a man,
a face through a window cryin' in the night...

DeGarmo or Trias will sing that with a silly grin on their face. -ohbfrank-


For some reason, I see Huff and Hudson fighting over "Weekend in New England".

Red will do "Copacabana".




Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned, but vote FOR YOUR BOTTOM THREE. ;) (preferably after the performances)

Gil Jawetz
04-20-04, 05:47 PM
ohdeargodwhy?

El Scorcho
04-20-04, 06:25 PM
Who's gonna do "I Write The Songs"?

(which Barry, ironically, didn't write)

lucasorion
04-20-04, 06:40 PM
I predict that I will be switching to other channels often during this particular show, maybe there will be something good on C-SPAN.

twikoff
04-20-04, 06:54 PM
woohoo!
Im the first to vote for the first and last option


<small>as well as picking 3 people</small>

sinned
04-20-04, 07:26 PM
Mods need to reset the poll

the aftermath
04-20-04, 08:32 PM
Jasmine looks smokin' tonight :drool:*




















*not a pedo

das Monkey
04-20-04, 08:52 PM
Diana
Ears
Bleeding

das

gettinbranded
04-20-04, 08:53 PM
George might be voted off...

LaToya and Jennifer are at another level.

das Monkey
04-20-04, 08:55 PM
OK, was there something wrong with my audio? Diana sounded terribly flat and pitchy, but Simon gives her a huge compliment.

das

gettinbranded
04-20-04, 08:58 PM
When Fantasia starts singing---I forget she's an amateur, I stop thinking critically---she just flat out entertains.

Win or lose AI --- she's gonna still be around 20 years from now...

johnglass
04-20-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
OK, was there something wrong with my audio? Diana sounded terribly flat and pitchy, but Simon gives her a huge compliment.

das

I thought the same thing here.

das Monkey
04-20-04, 09:05 PM
George has another bad week with an average karaoke performance.

Jennifer's main problem is still there: she has no control in the soft parts. She's fantastic when she needs power vocals but on par with Camille when she needs softer and smoother notes. For all her growth, this still stands out as a huge weakness. On a side note, terrible outfit.

das

das Monkey
04-20-04, 09:10 PM
Oh, I get it ... this is the part of the show where they are down to enough people to put out an <i>American Idol 3</i> album, so they're not telling the contestants how much they suck. Jasmine was all over the place and received not a negative word.

das

Mad Dawg
04-20-04, 09:12 PM
I thought early on that those runs of George's were his weakest point. He seemed to give them up, but they came roaring back. Very unfortunate. I didn't think it was a "mess" though. Average for what he has been doing.

AndyB976
04-20-04, 09:13 PM
My bottom three: John Stevens, Diana DeGarmo, and Jennifer Hudson.

das Monkey
04-20-04, 09:16 PM
La Toya showed why she's so far beyond Jennifer early in the song as she was as strong at the beginning as she was at the end. As a fan of hers, though, I think she tried for just a little too much. I applaud the effort in going after this competition, but she was slightly off on one or two notes, leaving the door open for Fantasia.

das

Mad Dawg
04-20-04, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Oh, I get it ... this is the part of the show where they are down to enough people to put out an <i>American Idol 3</i> album, so they're not telling the contestants how much they suck. Jasmine was all over the place and received not a negative word.

das

Yeah, either she hit the brown note at least once, or I'm getting old. -eek- She was flat, flat, flat.

das Monkey
04-20-04, 09:30 PM
John was simply John, but to his credit, he wasn't terrible.

Fantasia didn't overtake La Toya as I was expecting. I'm not sure if she beat Jennifer either. It'd be very close. Missed opportunity for her, but she'll have more chances. I'm afraid La Toya is just too good to win this competition. She's too mature and comfortable with her talent, and I don't think America will respond to that as much as they'll respond to more colorful personalities.

Based solely on tonight, I'd probably drop Diana, Jasmine, and George. Tossup between George and John, but George was more annoying, while John was just more average.

das

Goldberg74
04-20-04, 10:12 PM
I like the way Barry did them way back when... but I appreciate his effort to introduce his old material to a new audience.

:up: To Barry

BTW: What did Paula do to her arm?

Jadzia
04-20-04, 10:17 PM
Diana sounded horribly nasal. I too was stumped by all the praise she received.

I thought John Stevens was much improved and seemed to have a lot more confidence onstage. Surprised he got such a lukewarm response from the judges.

c-moon
04-20-04, 10:22 PM
Why can't any of them just sing the freaking song? I swear I couldn't recognize half the songs -- ESPECIALLY It's a Miracle. In the same way that Kenny G's endless scales and arpeggios do not impress me, neither do screaming and screeching with no hint of a melody.

I couldn't hear a melody during John's either, but that was for entirely different reasons.

I am really beginning to like last year's American Idol more and more.

das Monkey
04-20-04, 10:22 PM
Goldberg74

BTW: What did Paula do to her arm?
Too many touchdowns.

das

Groucho
04-20-04, 10:30 PM
I was hoping that John would forget the lyrics again tonight:

Oh Andy, you came in my face without asking...

gettinbranded
04-20-04, 10:32 PM
Soon as the show ended...I called to vote for George...and then tried again and again and couldn''t get through anymore.

johnglass
04-20-04, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
I was hoping that John would forget the lyrics again tonight:

Oh Andy, you came in my face without asking...

rotfl

Y2K Falcon
04-20-04, 10:49 PM
At the Copa... Copacabana....
The hottest spot north of Atlanta.


http://www.kissthisguy.com/archive/lyric.1472.html

moocher
04-20-04, 11:07 PM
Well, I'm a little worried about George. He seemed so automatic. Then last week he belts out a so-so effort. This week he was down-right terrible and made my bottom 3 (even though I am still rooting for him). I hope he survives but he definitely deserves the bottom 3 this week. He might just end up being the odd man out. My, how far he has fallen so quickly.

Fantasia also made my bottom 3. Last week I thought she was the best one. This week she returned to the Chris Tucker sound I know and hate. And she made up for last week with several variations of the "yeah, yeah, yeaaah". She did kind of take over JPL's role of "the entertainer", though.

The last of my bottom 3 was good 'ol Opie. While I think he has been better the last couple of weeks, he still can't make up for all the cringe-worthy performances earlier on. He never has risen above a plain mediocre effort. For that, he deserves to go this week. Diana makes honorable mention as I also thought she was flat in places.

I thought Latoya was the best this week and agree with Simon that she will likely win the competition.

whynotsmile
04-20-04, 11:33 PM
they should do a PRINCE night. I want to hear the redhead sing HEAD.

Struz
04-20-04, 11:46 PM
George, Jennifer, John and Fantasia were the 4 worst.
The others were much better.

Deftones
04-21-04, 12:00 AM
wow, thank god I don't watch that Swan show on Fox. Those chicks were fugly even after their plastic surgery. :yack:

Iron_Giant
04-21-04, 12:05 AM
I thought it was unfair that Fantasia had her family shown in the back and was able to bring her child out on stage. None of the other singers had the baby vote advantage.

And it was unfair that Simon told John that he looked like "Stanley".

lucasorion
04-21-04, 12:06 AM
I agree with the people who weren't so impressed by Fantasia. She didn't energize me at all, and the yeah,yeah,yeahing always brings her down from a 6/7/8 to a 4/5/6 for me.

LaToya should win, Jennifer should stick around for the final three because she is technically better than everyone who is not an African-American female - though she hasn't moved me once.
I guess Fantasia is my other choice for the top three, though I really wish Jasmine could hold those long notes and make those transitions without cracking, because she is the only person besides LaToya that I personally like and would be really happy for. (and she's nice to look at)

Goldberg74
04-21-04, 12:08 AM
Next Week: The Captain and Tennille! They're all gonna sing the same song!

http://captainandtennille.net/images/ctimage_2.jpg

Just kidding... ;)

Having the last name Dragon would be so cool!

nazz
04-21-04, 12:15 AM
My bottom three this week...

George because he's really slipping the last couple of weeks and needs to snap out of it.

Opie because he just can't cut it vocally. He had a big chance to end Mandy with the big YOOOU at the end but wimped out while making a forlorn face while extending his hand dramatically.

Jasmine beacsue she was all over with bad notes after an okay start and just didn't hold up to the others.

Who should go....

Opie. Time to go fishing with Pa.

El Scorcho
04-21-04, 12:43 AM
I hated Fantasia the first time she was around -- back when everyone called her "Macy Gray". I hate her even more now. When she was talking tonight, I couldn't understand a god damn word she said. Chris Tucker's long lost twin sister she definitely is.

This competition is LaToya's to lose.

Charlie Goose
04-21-04, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
wow, thank god I don't watch that Swan show on Fox. Those chicks were fugly even after their plastic surgery. :yack:
:lol: That's just what I thought when I saw those dogs. I thought they were the "before" shots.

George was the worst of the lot tonight. Simon called it a mess, and it was. He sounded ridiculous.

Fantasia was any revival meet at any church in the country. Shouting with no melody. I wonder if bringing out her bastard child will lose her any votes.

John was the best I've seen him since his initial audition, but it's still no good. What was with the corny reaching out at the end of the song?

TornDimension
04-21-04, 12:51 AM
Analogy

FINGERNAILS: CHALKBOARD

A) FANTASIA: SINGING

A, final answer. You are correct for 10 million dollars!

Groucho
04-21-04, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Iron_Giant
I thought it was unfair that Fantasia had her family shown in the back and was able to bring her child out on stage. None of the other singers had the baby vote advantage.What I find odd is that they boot people left and right for "morality" but they still allow an unwed teenage mother on the show.

Deftones
04-21-04, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Groucho
What I find odd is that they boot people left and right for "morality" but they still allow an unwed teenage mother on the show.

Whore!

big whoppa
04-21-04, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by Iron_Giant
And it was unfair that Simon told John that he looked like "Stanley".

Considering the remark he made about the the pink-haired girl looking like Jay Leno, I don't. As if it mattered. Big Red had no idea who Stanley was. Laurel and Hardy didn't ring a bell either. LOL Yeah, I know he's young but still....

I think George was quite good. I tried to vote for him too but couldn't. Maybe his supporters are going crazy calling because everyone but Paula was less than overcome with his performance.

Jennifer is good until she goes into the high notes for me. The gospelness hits you over your head like a jackhammer.

Jasmine is great with the soft, subtle parts of a song.

LaToya has a great set of pipes but I wasn't moved by the song.

Diana was good. That's all I can think of. Same for Fantasia.

Big Red showed some small improvement. He actually sang something with a 'little' feeling. But that simply isn't enough. And if he is on this show for another week, it'll be a shame.

Barry Manilow did a great job. Not only did he encourage and support them, he essentially produced and arranged the songs for each of them.

rkndkn
04-21-04, 03:49 AM
I thought George sounded like he was sick, and his voice was scratchier than normal. The look on his face right after he finished was like he knew he blew it.

The more I watch this bunch, their little mannerisms are starting to grate on me. Except for LaToya, who seems most mannerism-free.

BDLOU
04-21-04, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Deftones, Esq
wow, thank god I don't watch that Swan show on Fox. Those chicks were fugly even after their plastic surgery. :yack:

You should see what they look like berfore. One of the chicks they showed actually had to shave her face daily. Not her mustache, her entire face.

I'm sad to say I actually saw the last episode for some reason.

Goldberg74
04-21-04, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Iron_Giant
... And it was unfair that Simon told John that he looked like "Stanley".
The part that had me worried was when he looked at the judges and muttered, "Who's Stanley Laurel?"

This generation sucks...

iggystar
04-21-04, 09:22 AM
I love Fantasia and would love to see her win, I don't see that happening, but I'd still love it.

Next, LaToya and Jennifer.

But at this point it looks like LaToya has a shot. She's a wonderful singer but I'm so tired of the wonderfully voiced diva, don't we have enough of those already? Bored to tears.

I could shout a song for you, but I wouldn't sound good. IMHO Fantasia does have a melodious voice and it's different.

Patman
04-21-04, 09:31 AM
I didn't recognize half of the songs sung last night. I wished they would have picked less obscure song.

Diana - range is a problem as she just gets louder, not higher when she needs to kick it in another gear.

George - horrible rendition, got lost in the song, was too ambitious with the melody, voice too too gravelly.

Jennifer - still just sings too low for my tastes, it's like she's singing at a low growl for the first part of the songs and then she goes louder as well, but her upper registers aren't that great either.

Jasmine - sounded better, but destroyed the melody of that song as well, and did get out of breath.

La Toya - has a knack of picking boring songs to sing, and this week was no exception. She's competent, but I don't sense a fire burning from within her.

John - gave it a shot, but just too inexperienced to impart that song with any form of sincerity and true grit.

Fantasia - has a problem with her voice cracking and getting far too raspy and George-like, makes for an unpleasant listening experience in spots. Just because you can work a crowd doesn't mean you can put out a good performance in the studio.

gnradd21
04-21-04, 09:55 AM
As much as I thought George was worse than Red last night, I think it's time for John to go, before he embarrasses himself next week on "salsa night".

Patman
04-21-04, 10:00 AM
I wasn't all that crazy about Fantasia pulling the mommie card when they brought her child on stage for her while mommie was pulling for votes. Nikki did this on the first season, and it just seemed forced and orchestrated.

johnglass
04-21-04, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Patman
I didn't recognize half of the songs sung last night. I wished they would have picked less obscure song.

Diana - range is a problem as she just gets louder, not higher when she needs to kick it in another gear.

George - horrible rendition, got lost in the song, was too ambitious with the melody, voice too too gravelly.

Jennifer - still just sings too low for my tastes, it's like she's singing at a low growl for the first part of the songs and then she goes louder as well, but her upper registers aren't that great either.

Jasmine - sounded better, but destroyed the melody of that song as well, and did get out of breath.

La Toya - has a knack of picking boring songs to sing, and this week was no exception. She's competent, but I don't sense a fire burning from within her.

John - gave it a shot, but just too inexperienced to impart that song with any form of sincerity and true grit.

Fantasia - has a problem with her voice cracking and getting far too raspy and George-like, makes for an unpleasant listening experience in spots. Just because you can work a crowd doesn't mean you can put out a good performance in the studio.

Vote 'em all off!!!

gettinbranded
04-21-04, 10:45 AM
It's over.

Latoya is the best, followed by Jennifer, Fantasia, George and Jasmine.

gettinbranded
04-21-04, 10:50 AM
USATODAY agrres with you guys:


The "battle of the divas," as Simon Cowell aptly characterized the current competition, seems to be compelling all the women to pile on the note-stretching and overemoting and to try to outdo each other for the ultimate dramatic big finish. This tendency is especially painful when demonstrated by Diana DeGarmo or Jasmine Trias, who aren't remotely in the class of their three female competitors. But it's growing tiresome to hear La Toya London, Fantasia Barrino and Jennifer Hudson wail as if harpooned at the end of every song.

However, this unbiased source says:


Jennifer and La Toya sang beefy ballads, Jennifer pulling out all the stops from the start while La Toya showed some restraint and command until her own overwrought big finish.

If I had to choose a winning performance, it would be Fantasia's concluding It's a Miracle, which she plowed through in a somewhat tuneless but irresistibly rhythmic fashion, all the more effective for its contrast to the six gloppy ballads that preceded it.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2004-04-20-idol-recap_x.htm

MrR0boto
04-21-04, 10:51 AM
Wow, Fantasia really let them rip at the end of her song: yeah yeah yeaaah, ye yea yeah yeah, yeah yeaaah, yah ye ye yeaahh. Ugh.

I don't think bringing out her daughter will be an advantage for her at all - it can only hurt with the teen vote.

gettinbranded
04-21-04, 10:55 AM
WooHoo! More music pros think like me.

Another article:


The Idol stage, however, has a trapdoor. Aiken, in the lead with 2.5 million albums sold, "probably won't have a lasting and meaningful career," Marks says. "Kelly has juice left, but none of them will be around much longer, and they don't necessarily deserve to be."

Kim Buie, a talent scout for the Lost Highway label, agrees that Idol's fruits are perishable.

--

Barrino may be the first Idol to fulfill the show's promise of discovering genuine talent, Marks says.

Her Summertime last week "was a great, deep version that reminded me of soul and jazz singers of the '60s, like Nancy Wilson," he says. "Fantasia is way out front, and the rest are glorified karaoke singers, so the contest will be a charade" till the finale May 26.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-04-20-idol-main_x.htm

gettinbranded
04-21-04, 10:59 AM
Idol report card:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2004-04-21-idolreportcard.htm

SBatL8y
04-21-04, 12:21 PM
Ugh, I don't know why people are putting Jennifer in the top category, all she knows how to do is wail. I'm getting SO sick of hearing her scream. Please just STOP.

I love Fantasia, I hope she takes the cake. Latoya is good, but no personality. Fantasia has the all around Idol persona.

Diana and Jasmine, they sound too immature with their voices. Maybe a few more years of lessons and then they MIGHT be ready. The just don't seem to have the "it" factor.

I actually though George did pretty good. But since he doesn't scream like a girl, then I don't think the judges are paying attention anymore. They seem to like the wails and screams of the women.

Groucho
04-21-04, 12:22 PM
Anybody know how the good folks at USA TODAY felt about last night's show?

TheAllPurposeNothing
04-21-04, 12:25 PM
I missed sections of the show last night, so until I watch them on the Replay, I'll keep my comments minimal.

From what I saw, Jennifer was the best performer (not having seen Latoya yet). A few thoughts:

John Stevens- Actually probably the best performance he has given and a good one to go out on. Manilow really did seem to help him with the phrasing since it seemed more like a mildly competent rendition of a pop song instead of another retread through the Rat Pack music machinery.

Fantasia - I love the voice but what was that train wreck last night. The melody was non-existent, lively or not. Made me even sadder than George's lackluster performance last night.

Diana and Jasmine were overall terrible. Where did the praise come from since it was not from the singing.

Two larger points:

- I'm really getting sick of the obvious attempt to sway votes. Simon, I guess, believes that the Leno line must have worked last time since he attempted it again. And the way he danced around the mediocrity of Fantasia's performance ("You know..this competition wouldn't the same without you" schtick). I think Simon really does want a Divas competition and is gearing things towards it.

- This years performers either want to sound bad or have not a single idea how to pick or perform a song suitable to their voices. George would have killed on "Could This be the Magic." Fantasia picked the right song but shouldn't have played with the arrangment (it was already about as "funky" as Manilow gets). LaToya needs to tackle something fun again (like she did on Country night) because while very competent, it is getting a bit sleepy...like Tarantino said with Fantasia, enough already with the Great Ladies of Song tour. All in all, it really makes me miss last year's group. Even Constipation Face (Josh gracin) tried to mix it up and had a decent idea of what worked with his voice.


And one last point: Went back and re-listened to Fantasia's "Summertime" from last week. Good voice, mediocre performance. Seemed like an imitation of someone else without looking for any meaning in the song. Not even close to worthy to be mentioned in the same breath as the Miles Davis verison.

Guess that wasn't so minimal. :)

El Scorcho
04-21-04, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by iggystar
I love Fantasia and would love to see her win, I don't see that happening, but I'd still love it.

Next, LaToya and Jennifer.

But at this point it looks like LaToya has a shot. She's a wonderful singer but I'm so tired of the wonderfully voiced diva, don't we have enough of those already? Bored to tears.

I could shout a song for you, but I wouldn't sound good. IMHO Fantasia does have a melodious voice and it's different.

So you'd rather have the mediocre-voiced uber-diva (Fantasia)?

-ohbfrank-

You Fantasia fans must have took the 4/20 thing to heart.

Rogue588
04-21-04, 12:40 PM
I don't watch this show, but who was the chick that slaughtered "Weekend In New England"..?

-ohbfrank-

Terrible.

Darq
04-21-04, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Goldberg74
BTW: What did Paula do to her arm?

Just read this in the New York Post:

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/19191.htm

"American Idol" judge Paula Abdul is nursing a sore paw after having the nail on her right thumb removed because of an infection. Abdul underwent surgery at Cedars Sinai Hospital Monday after a manicure went awry.

"I just got a manicure and they punctured me. I'm in a bit of pain," Abdul told "Entertainment Tonight." "It's throbbing. I had surgery to remove the entire nail - the infection was too close to the bone.

"I almost lost my thumb," she says. "I didn't think it would hurt this bad and I didn't realize how many limitations I would have - I can't button my pants and it'll be hard to turn and bark back at Simon [Cowell]. I guess I'll just talk to Randy [Jackson] all night."


BTW... was it just me, or did she seem like she was high on painkillers last night?

Patman
04-21-04, 01:05 PM
"You did just great. Good job!"

Kal-El
04-21-04, 01:06 PM
Worst. AI. Season so far.

SBatL8y
04-21-04, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by TheAllPurposeNothing
I missed sections of the show last night, so until I watch them on the Replay, I'll keep my comments minimal.

Fantasia picked the right song but shouldn't have played with the arrangment (it was already about as "funky" as Manilow gets).

You musta' missed the part when Manilow said that he didn't want them to sing his songs like he sang them. The whole point was for them to mix it up and add their own taste to it.

DigIt
04-21-04, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Patman
John - gave it a shot, but just too inexperienced to impart that song with any form of sincerity and true grit. In all fairness, Barry Manilow isn't exactly Mr. True Grit.

TheAllPurposeNothing
04-21-04, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by SBatL8y
You musta' missed the part when Manilow said that he didn't want them to sing his songs like he sang them. The whole point was for them to mix it up and add their own taste to it.

I did miss that, but then how does one explain John Stevens somewhat competent but far from original take on "Mandy"??

Maybe the revival idea could have worked if she had spent more time changing notes than moving around the audience. But, one's thing for sure....it didn't work.

gnradd21
04-21-04, 07:10 PM
Favorite Simon quote of the night.

To John Stevens: "Mandy fell asleep." :D

sinned
04-21-04, 07:50 PM
There's supposed to be a shocking result tonight. (Access Hollywood interview with Nigel Lithgoe - he said that "America got it wrong"). Could it be that Fantasia is on her way out?

Charlie Goose
04-21-04, 08:38 PM
I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread so far, but Barry Manilow totally kicks ass. Always has.

Mad Dawg
04-21-04, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by sinned
There's supposed to be a shocking result tonight. (Access Hollywood interview with Nigel Lithgoe - he said that "America got it wrong"). Could it be that Fantasia is on her way out?

Nah. I'd guess that any "shocker" would be LaToya or, more likely after the last couple of weeks, GH.:(

Mad Dawg
04-21-04, 08:51 PM
Holy shit.

Goldberg74
04-21-04, 08:52 PM
Did you see the look on George's face!!!! :lol:

This is so wrong...

I'm gonna say that Jennifer Hudson is gone... :wave:

I'm recording this for my wife who's got something else going on tonight, so I'm turning it off now. Be back here later tonight...

This is strange...

LBCrazyFool
04-21-04, 08:54 PM
please, please, please let Fantasia go... :)

johnglass
04-21-04, 08:59 PM
Jennifer.... YOU'RE FIRED!!!

LBCrazyFool
04-21-04, 09:00 PM
I love it how the camera guy always zooms in on Red once the vote has been read... :lol:

Patman
04-21-04, 09:04 PM
Yep, that was quite a shocker considering who else is left and much less talented. Good night, Ms. Hudson, you didn't deserve to go just yet.

Shannon Nutt
04-21-04, 09:15 PM
1 Diva down, 2 Divas to go...

I think Fantasia's baby on the show last night really hurt her chances...America could see the producers of the show were trying to win a few votes for her, and America reacted by not voting for her at all.

Something tells me John Stevens has a really powerful lobby out there voting for him...it's the only explanation for him still being around. Unless his father bought off the phone company or something (which isn't as crazy as it sounds...did you see the size of the house this kid lives in?!)

Struz
04-21-04, 09:16 PM
What a great show !! :lol:

Did you see Jennifer's face when Ryan told them they were the bottom three ?
Priceless !!

Jennifer and Fantasia in the bottom two, it doesn't get any better than that.

Fantasia will be gone soon.

What's with Ryan's comment about voting for talent and you shouldn't have let talent (screaming) like Jennifer go ?

Sorry Ryan, America voted and Jennifer is out.

the aftermath
04-21-04, 09:18 PM
WTF :confused:

johnglass
04-21-04, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Struz
What a great show !! :lol:

Did you see Jennifer's face when Ryan told them they were the bottom three ?
Priceless !!

Jennifer and Fantasia in the bottom two, it doesn't get any better than that.

Fantasia will be gone soon.

What's with Ryan's comment about voting for talent and you shouldn't have let talent (screaming) like Jennifer go ?

Sorry, Ryan America voted and Jennifer is out.

Do you honestly believe Jennifer was less talented than anyone in group B? I can't exactly say I'm a fan of hers, but there is no way she should be gone before those other three (with Jasmine being the only possible exception).

Struz
04-21-04, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by johnglass
Do you honestly believe Jennifer was less talented than anyone in group B? I can't exactly say I'm a fan of hers, but there is no way she should be gone before those other three (with Jasmine being the only possible exception).

Yes, I do. I think she is terrible singer who can only scream
her way through a song. She should have been gone weeks ago.

Patman
04-21-04, 10:06 PM
Jennifer never captured "America's" imagination, so her support base wasn't enough to overcome Red's this week.

Gil Jawetz
04-21-04, 10:10 PM
Utterly ridiculous. Just totally idiotic.

kantonburg
04-21-04, 10:17 PM
I never liked Jennifer but she was better than John Stevens IMO.

Mad Dawg
04-21-04, 10:20 PM
I'm really annoyed with the fact that they set George up like they did. I'm all for a good joke, but that wasn't a cool thing to do. Just about anything can lead to voter backlash.

wildcatlh
04-21-04, 10:36 PM
How the eff does John Stevens keep going on?

the aftermath
04-21-04, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by WildcatLH
How the eff does John Stevens keep going on?
Conan has a lot of clout at Fox.

Groucho
04-21-04, 10:50 PM
Wow, first cops around the country go out of their way to set up rich black people for crimes they didn't commit. Now, American Idol voters are in on the conspiracy as well. :mad:

George Huff is lucky he comes from a poor background, or he would be targeted along with the other three.

Deftones
04-21-04, 10:52 PM
Wow, that's awesome! I like how they separated by racial lines!

twikoff
04-21-04, 11:31 PM
john stevens knows he should have been gone at least a month ago
by far the worse singer that has been on that stage in the past month, or more.

twikoff
04-21-04, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Mad Dawg
I'm really annoyed with the fact that they set George up like they did. I'm all for a good joke, but that wasn't a cool thing to do. Just about anything can lead to voter backlash.

yea.. that seemed really dirty
i felt bad for him.. but in understand why they did it..
it was a big "Shame, shame on you stupid american public"

atlantamoi
04-21-04, 11:33 PM
In the newsroom tonight half the people were watching AI... when they announced the bottom three there were a lot of gasps and "WHAT?"s. Some girl oblivious to it all said, "Did they just catch Osama?". lol I like American Idol for the competition, but have almost zero use for the music... at least as a lasting form of entertainment. But, I can't believe that Red made it past the first couple of cuts. Hilarious. There must be an awful lot of little girls with the red hots.

twikoff
04-21-04, 11:33 PM
ok.. someone needs to do this.. *cough* y2k
Im really curious about how far you really have to go to get a recording deal..

so.. someone needs to track down the 12 finalist from the past 2 seasons.. (all 24) and make a list of which ones have albums out or in the works, along with album names

feel free to include any other jobs that they have gotten because of this.. (didnt i hear kimberly caldwell is doing interviews for some music source?, and we know tamara gray had the acting stuff)

gettinbranded
04-21-04, 11:38 PM
I'm laughing right now.

Cracking up.

This is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious!


Seacreast, Randy, Paula and probably all the people "upstairs" are SO panicing right now----and it was SO apparent. And Randy is just saying "Told you so".

I'm cheering for Red now so we can see that same reaction from them next week...I hope Fantasia does go next week so she can go on and get her career started. Seriously.

GuessWho
04-21-04, 11:43 PM
there's nothing in the two words "american idol" about singing

an idol is someone people like



john is liked. jennifer is not.

:D

Rogue588
04-21-04, 11:44 PM
Justice Is Served.

That's what she gets for slaughtering one of the greatest ballads recorded..

antennaball
04-21-04, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
so.. someone needs to track down the 12 finalist from the past 2 seasons.. (all 24) and make a list of which ones have albums out or in the works, along with album names

I know Kimberly Locke is doing quite well with a song that's surprisingly good and is getting a ton of airplay down here. She's opening at a Switchfoot concert that I'm going to tomorrow night.

atlantamoi
04-21-04, 11:56 PM
Mmmm... justics. Eat 'em up, yum.

whynotsmile
04-22-04, 12:00 AM
but isn't switchfoot a rock band?

i agree with this being a bullshit decision. she was easily the second greatest singer this season. i hope the red head wins it now just to spite em all.

twikoff
04-22-04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by antennaball
I know Kimberly Locke is doing quite well with a song that's surprisingly good and is getting a ton of airplay down here. She's opening at a Switchfoot concert that I'm going to tomorrow night.

yea.. i knew about her
and obviously clay and ruben
and josh has a country album coming out
so thats at least 4 of the 12.. I would bet that more of them have deals and albums, or albums in the works..
I didnt really watch the first season much.. so not sure what happened to their final 12 afterwards

shawnee822
04-22-04, 12:07 AM
I disagree that she went tonight as well. It wasn't a just decision. She will get a record deal and she will be in magazines etc. She is a great singer. I think John should have been the one to go tonight. I love him but he is the weakest link in this group.

Shawnee

Caliking
04-22-04, 12:08 AM
ok i'll ask it...

...what does america have against black women?

that should have been the final 3 tonight (i could see george instead of jennifer). i just dont get it. i could actually not care less about the awful radio-pop they sing but for the competition...those three should not have been the bottom 3.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 12:09 AM
Jennifer's not going to win, so it's not a big loss (no weight jokes please), but definitely before her time. I will give some credit to La Toya and Fantasia for showing some class when they found out they'd been tricked. They both smiled and started clapping for the group that was "safe" while Jennifer sported an "oh no you di'in't" stance. Fantasia going out of her way to say "you're my American Idol" into the microphone didn't seem very genuine, though.

Anyway, this isn't particularly new. People often don't vote for the best performers, because they don't think it's necessary. They vote for whom they think is on the chopping block but want to save. After tonight's result, they'll realize they need to kick it in gear for La Toya and Fantasia and vote accordingly. This happens every season. People who are upset about this (America hates black women?) need to take a step back and remember how the voting for this thing works.

das

moocher
04-22-04, 12:09 AM
:jawdrop:

That was even more shocking than the early departure of Amy Adams. I never much cared for Jennifer to begin with but week by week she has grown on me. I thought she improved quite a bit through the competition. She deserved a couple of more weeks (Opie a couple of less weeks). Latoya's tally was a crime. Fantasia is obviously not very popular. I think her personality and attitude will do her in soon. Maybe next week with a so-so effort and a few more "yeah, yeahs".

What I think is so funny about all of this is how little influence the judges had over the results. It was so obvious they were pushing hard for Jennifer, Latoya, and - most of all - Fantasia. Then they end up as the bottom three and panic ensues. The judges egos must have taken a serious hit. Tonights show was the funniest I have seen yet. They are having nightmares of Opie winning this thing and killing off the show.

Iron_Giant
04-22-04, 12:11 AM
If I ever believed that the show is fixed, it would be tonight.

Or maybe the teen/Text message group is really going to out way the Adult/Phone group.

JMLEWIS1
04-22-04, 12:13 AM
I think playing to the "three divas" thing really hurt them, they're taking votes away from each other. People are seeing them as similar and the others as offering something different...

Iron_Giant
04-22-04, 12:15 AM
It really did suck what the did to George tonight, unfair.

tasha99
04-22-04, 12:15 AM
Never underestimate the voting power of teenage girls and old women--they've kept John Stevens in the game even though he should have gone weeks ago.

I feel bad for Jennifer--I thought she'd be in the top four for sure. I am really glad Fantasia's still there though; I like both her and Laytoya (and George, at least the earlier George) but Fantasia has become my favorite. I might be the only one, but I like her yeah yeah yeahs.

tasha

twikoff
04-22-04, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by JMLEWIS1
I think playing to the "three divas" thing really hurt them, they're taking votes away from each other. People are seeing them as similar and the others as offering something different...

exactly
the pulled enough votes away from each other.. that by splitting them up, caused them not to equal the amount that the others got seperately

with 1 out of the mix.. it should make life easier on the other 2

jennifer had some rough starts in the early rounds
and probably should have gone home awhile ago
she has gotten SO MUCH better lately.. but really, maybe it was too little too late

John has overstayed his welcome big time.. and should be kicked out regardless.. but jennifers has been on borrowed time for awhile now

WhoGirl
04-22-04, 12:19 AM
Wow. Just wow. Heh, check out our stats. Our top three (least voted for) were the bottom three.
I like John, but this isn't his competition. I believe in a few years he could be something, but he should have been gone tonight. Or George, he was a wreck last night. I don't care for Jennifer, but this wasn't her week to go.

I know they were running late, but it was kind of shitty of them to cut off Jennifer at the end. She didn't even get in a 'swan song.'

twikoff
04-22-04, 12:23 AM
anyone really think the voting is based on just that nights performances?

so people have hung on and slipped through and been lucky so far.. jasmine still is on that fence

while others have been really great for the most part.. and just had a bad night.. if george had been kicked off after being so great for the rest of the competition, just for one bad night.. it would have been even a bigger mess.

diana doesnt have much support on her side.. so her and john will probably go before much longer.. but hell.. with how its going, i wouldnt be shocked if john won the whole damn thing

moocher
04-22-04, 12:23 AM
The show isn't fixed. They seemed really in a panic over how it is turning out. I don't think they wanted Jennifer out. If it was fixed, they would have made sure JPL stayed around over "Mr. Singing Sominex" John Stevens.

It isn't racial either. Last week's bottom 3 were all white if I remember correctly. It never seems to fall along racial lines. The three tonight are rarely in the bottom 3 and George (the only black male) has never made the bottom three. If you recall, Seacrest said Jennifer actually got the most votes in a previous week. I'm really rather tired of all the race arguments. They don't hold up against scrutiny on either side.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by moocher
Tonights show was the funniest I have seen yet. They are having nightmares of Opie winning this thing and killing off the show.

Bingo.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by moocher
They seemed really in a panic over how it is turning out. I don't think they wanted Jennifer out.

They're screaming for people to vote for the best while trying not to insult Red and Jasmine.


Priceless.

big whoppa
04-22-04, 12:40 AM
If anything, the judges have only themselves to blame for letting "Opie" into the final competition. Win (Oh shit!) or lose, Opie will be joining the remaining 11 to tour and do albums.

The producer's didn't sucker punch George. The girls from group A assumed they were the top 3 and pulled him with them. Ryan told George to go to the group with the most votes. I was sitting there thinking why did he join them when no announcement had been made. Of course, I thought group A were the top vote getters and group B were the bottom like most everyone else. What this tells everyone is not to assume anything.

Again, Big Red deserved to go. Jennifer simply did not have the fan base. She was not the worst. It's a popularity contest at this point.

As for what some of the past contestants are doing now...Kim Caldwell was doing interviews of AI contestants for the TV Guide Channel. Tamyra Grey who has acted on Boston Public and recently, Tru Calling has an album that will finally be released in a few months. Josh Gracin, the military dude, has an album out. Same for RJ Helton. That's more than I care to remember.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:54 AM
The Idol stage, however, has a trapdoor. Aiken, in the lead with 2.5 million albums sold, "probably won't have a lasting and meaningful career," Marks says. "Kelly has juice left, but none of them will be around much longer, and they don't necessarily deserve to be."
==
Barrino may be the first Idol to fulfill the show's promise of discovering genuine talent, Marks says.

Her Summertime last week "was a great, deep version that reminded me of soul and jazz singers of the '60s, like Nancy Wilson," he says. "Fantasia is way out front, and the rest are glorified karaoke singers, so the contest will be a charade" till the finale May 26.


Time for sister girl to go on and get her real career started.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-04-20-idol-main_x.htm

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:56 AM
9 people have had their career jumpstarted...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/2004-04-21-idolreportcard.htm

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 01:03 AM
Hmmm... White folks eliminated on Soul and Motown night. African American eliminated on Barry Manilow night.

We told you so!

;)

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 01:04 AM
Go whiteys!

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:12 AM
So I'm reading elsewhere on the web that Red is "in pain", having a horrible time, and wants it to be over so he can go home.

Kal-El
04-22-04, 01:13 AM
Well that's one shrieker gone. :D Yay.

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
So I'm reading elsewhere on the web that Red is "in pain"...
Are you sure they didn't mean Camile? :whofart:
* rimshot *



Thanks, I'm here all week!

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:20 AM
From the AI boards:


I was even more shocked with the judges and Ryan's comments that America voted the wrong way! Why don't we just save everyone some time and eliminate the one's the judges have made it clear they don't like right now? Why bother having a competition?

They just might next season...and leave Americas voting for the final two...

Charlie Goose
04-22-04, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
I think Fantasia's baby on the show last night really hurt her chances...America could see the producers of the show were trying to win a few votes for her, and America reacted by not voting for her at all.
I agree that the baby might've hurt her, but not for the reason you mention. IMHO, of course, I think that the voting public saw a 19 year old girl with an illegitimate child & a ghetto attitude and just decided to put their votes behind others they find more acceptable.

Originally posted by moocher
They are having nightmares of Opie winning this thing and killing off the show.
You're absolutely right on both counts. They ARE going crazy that he might win, and that it would definitely damage the show. I can't imagine anyone would take it seriously again.

Thingz iz juzt gettin intereztin!

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by Charlie Goose
They ARE going crazy that he might win, and that it would definitely damage the show. I can't imagine anyone would take it seriously again.

Thingz iz juzt gettin intereztin!

Hope he wins...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:35 AM
Randy said:

I hope that America is out there listening and watching. We want to be proud of whomever wins this. Ruben's in the house tonight. We were proud when he won. We were proud when Kelly won. "

In other words: "We would not be proud of John Stevens."

das Monkey
04-22-04, 01:38 AM
LOOK AT ME!!!

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:42 AM
The dvdtalk forum isnt proud of you...

WhoGirl
04-22-04, 01:45 AM
I am.... :D

das Monkey
04-22-04, 01:46 AM
;)

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:56 AM
Heres where to get your fix...

http://www.idolfan.org/multimedia.html

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:00 AM
http://idolforums.com/index.php?showforum=195

Johns "fans".

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Heres where to get your fix...

http://www.idolfan.org/multimedia.html

nabbed summertime from last week...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:04 AM
Circle of life was awesome...

Tarnower
04-22-04, 07:32 AM
Anyone else out there think that Diana DeGarmo looks a lot like Leah Remini of "King of Queens"? She could easily pass for her younger sister, or even daughter. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the resemblance before, but I think it's pretty similar.

Groucho
04-22-04, 08:38 AM
We really need more links to articles in USA Today. Please, keep them coming! Also, why combine your thoughts into paragraphs, when you can post one-liners one right after another?

As for Jennifer, the more I think about it the more I realize that it was her time to go. She's been in the Bottom Three several times since the beginning of this competition. She has failed to generate a fan base like some of the others. Not to mention that the there were three "Blues Divas" up there and four "Gospel Background" singers up there. She brought nothing different or special to the table.

Somebody (Randy?) said last night that this is a talent contest, not a popularity contest. Bullshit. Talent doesn't sell albums. The Billboard Top 100 doesn't consist of the world's most talented musicians, songwriters, or singers. Not by a long shot.

Jennifer wasn't popular. I'm sure her career will do fine after this, but she is not going to sell albums to the crowd this show is going after.

raven56706
04-22-04, 09:00 AM
John is a very lucky man but this sucks.....


Diana Degarmo will be hot when she grows up and loses alittle bit of weight....


MMMMM.... thinking about it..... :drool:

iggystar
04-22-04, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Kal-El
Well that's one shrieker gone. :D Yay.

Leaving a couple of intensely dull average voiced teenage girls and one red head that makes your ears bleed.

I wasn't a big fan of Jennifer, but her getting voted off before that no-talent wannabe crooner with zero personality...that's just wrong. American Idol is in jeopardy people.

Patman
04-22-04, 09:27 AM
In the beginning, the musical themes tended to be of the R&B, Motown variety, which "supposedly" favored the black singers in the competitions. There were rumblings based on racial lines then as well. Now the musical themes are going back towards the paler shades of the musical spectrum (Elton John, Barry Manilow), and the bottom three for this week were all black. Is there a truly consistent pattern of getting the boot along racial lines, or just greater mobilization of each singer's fanbase? I think it's the latter. Even Paula surmised that Red is probably picking up the JPL vote.

While Jennifer getting the boot at this point of the competition is surprising, only in that it probably wasn't her time to go just yet, in the end, in late May/early June, we won't really remember the bottom 10 all that much, or their order of ouster either.

pezboy
04-22-04, 09:42 AM
My friends, long story short is Jennifer wasn't going to win. This is not like when Tamyra got voted out before Nikki on AI1, when many (myself included) thought she would win. I agree with previous posts that George, Fantasia or LaToya getting voted out would have been a much, much bigger shock.

Anyone know what they're doing next week? We should be nearing the round where the judges pick the songs. If John's not gone by then, I'm quite sure his task will be extra difficult.

Jadzia
04-22-04, 09:44 AM
Let's not forget, wasn't Jennifer the last remaining "wild card"? So she never really had a ton of audience support to begin with.

I would imagine her ouster will make it a lot easier for Latoya and Fantasia going forward.

Everyone hates John Stevens but I think he gets votes just because he brings something a little different to the competition. I like the kid, I'm not as crazy about him as I used to be but I don't understand all the vitriol.

Who I really wish would be voted out would be Jasmine and Diana. Yuck.

Groucho
04-22-04, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Jadzia
Let's not forget, wasn't Jennifer the last remaining "wild card"? So she never really had a ton of audience support to begin with.Actually, George is the last wildcard. He's also the only finalist who didn't make the original Final 32.

icondude
04-22-04, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Jadzia
Let's not forget, wasn't Jennifer the last remaining "wild card"? So she never really had a ton of audience support to begin with.

I would imagine her ouster will make it a lot easier for Latoya and Fantasia going forward.


This is exactly what Simon was implying when me mentioned JPL's votes going to Red. There were simply too many divas and divide the fan base by 3 and you get all three in the bottom. At least now Fantasia and LaToya have more solid positions since they will get all of Jennifers previous voters.

And even with the fat, I'd much rather look at Jen over Fantasia.

Jadzia
04-22-04, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Groucho
Actually, George is the last wildcard. He's also the only finalist who didn't make the original Final 32.

Oh yeah, I forgot that George was Simon's pick. Hard to believe, since he has always been so popular. Was he in that one group that had all the good people? I remember one week's finalists was awful, so many good people in the other groups had a harder time making it through.

Which is what happened to Clay initially, since he was in a group with Ruben and Kim Locke.

ChrisHicks
04-22-04, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by Kal-El
Well that's one shrieker gone. :D Yay.

one more to go. I know I'm going to be burned at the stake for this but I just don't like Fantasia. her voice just makes me cringe. I was really hoping she was going home last night.

Patman
04-22-04, 10:38 AM
I haven't liked Fantasia from the first week of performances.

Struz
04-22-04, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by ChrisHicks
one more to go. I know I'm going to be burned at the stake for this but I just don't like Fantasia. her voice just makes me cringe. I was really hoping she was going home last night.


ChrisHicks,

It was a win-win either way last night !
Next week hopefully Fantasia will be gone.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
The Idol stage, however, has a trapdoor. Aiken, in the lead with 2.5 million albums sold, "probably won't have a lasting and meaningful career," Marks says. "Kelly has juice left, but none of them will be around much longer, and they don't necessarily deserve to be."
==
Barrino may be the first Idol to fulfill the show's promise of discovering genuine talent, Marks says.

Her Summertime last week "was a great, deep version that reminded me of soul and jazz singers of the '60s, like Nancy Wilson," he says. "Fantasia is way out front, and the rest are glorified karaoke singers, so the contest will be a charade" till the finale May 26.


Time for sister girl to go on and get her real career started.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-04-20-idol-main_x.htm

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 10:47 AM
Next week is Latin night.

I really hope Red wins this so the producers will make some changes in the next few seasons.

Jennifer? She wasn't going to win anyway, and the thing about the three divas splitting the vote was true.

As Kwame from the Apprentice said "For everyone but the winner, it's just an infomercial".

There'll be 3 or 4 with record deals from this season---but only Fantasia will still be doing it 30 years from now.

She's the only one with any apparent musical talent. All of them can sing to lesser and greater degrees---but she's the only one who can, in a short weeks time, take a song, change it around, perform the heck out of it, and not make a mess out of it.

If she was a clean-cut blonde everyone would love her.

Urban "attitude"? "Baby?"

Nope.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Struz

Next week hopefully Fantasia will be gone.

I agree. The quicker to get her album out and her career started.

She's going furthur than any Idol before her.

My wife and I were laughing last night that if Alicia Keyes were in this competition she'd probably have be in the bottom three too.

What a farce.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 10:56 AM
gettinbranded

If she was a clean-cut blonde everyone would love her.
I guess that explains why I'm a big fan of La Toya. I'll take "Narrow-minded condescension" for $300 please, Alex.

If I felt it were possible to discuss this with you, I'd argue that Fantasia's uniqueness helps her far more than it hurts, and if she were just some standard pop blonde with little personality, she'd be long gone from this competition already.

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 10:57 AM
After the show, The Post was deluged with calls complaining that the voting was racially motivated since the three woman with the fewest votes were black.

AI is going to be forced to confront this.

Go Red Go!

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/19287.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117859,00.html

DRG
04-22-04, 11:00 AM
Besides these Idol contestants mentioned in the USA Today article, I've dug up this:

Julia DeMato: has a new single, which she mentioned a few weeks back (http://www.sommemusic.com)

Carmen Rasmussen: has some songs on a soundtrack (http://www.prideprejudice.com/) and has parts in a few small movies

Jim Verraros: has a few songs and is doing a club tour, plus he seems to be really playing up the gay angle, appearing at a lot of gay events (http://www.jimverraros.com/)

Kim Caldwell: does a lot of interviews on different shows, she's on the TV Guide Channel all the time

Christina Carpenter: has a new single out, and has also been an interviewer

Ryan Starr: acting (played a dead girl on a recent CSI) and is trying to get a record together (http://www.ryanstarr.us/)

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:00 AM
gettinbranded

AI is going to be forced to confront this.
I certainly hope not. Some assertions are too moronic to deserve response ... this is near the top of the list.

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:01 AM
All hometown bias aside, Hudson had transformed her look, and her vocal range and performances improved each week. Even the judges said so.

...which is why we need to put more power back into their hands...

http://www.orlandocitybeat.com/citybeat/tv/sns-celebrity-0422idol,0,7949589.story?coll=ocb-home-headlines

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:02 AM
DRG

Ryan Starr: acting (played a dead girl on a recent CSI) and is trying to get a record together (http://www.ryanstarr.us/)
No fashion line yet? :)

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
I certainly hope not. Some assertions are too moronic to deserve response ... this is near the top of the list.

das

Whats moronic about it?

The consensus three best singers on the show (otherwise all the papers wouldn't be calling it a shock) end up on the bottom.

What do they have in common? It's either that their women...or it's their singing style...or...

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
What do they have in common? It's either that their women...or it's their singing style...or...

...they have the fewest fans calling and text-messaging?

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:09 AM
There's little to say about this week's results. Jennifer was one of the three strongest singers in the competition. Even though she made faces like an NFL linebacker rushing in for a sack, she was one of the competition's strongest personalities. When the three best singers on the show receive the fewest votes, it doesn't necessarily spur viewers to vote for those gifted individuals. Instead, when the skilled singers head home and leave the game in the hands of overmatched performers, it causes viewers to turn away.

Sensing that very danger, Ryan, arm around Jennifer, basically tells the American people that if they don't vote for the good contestants, nobody is safe.

Like I said yesterday...seeing Randy and Seacrest in panic mode was hilarious.

Unless things straighten out next week, change is a comin'.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/8492447.htm?1c

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Y2K Falcon
...they have the fewest fans calling and text-messaging?


...because...

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:16 AM
gettinbranded

Whats moronic about it?
It's moronic because 2 of those three people were in the Top 3 just two weeks ago, the third being the uberpopular George Huff, who happens to also be black. It's moronic because one of the two of them received the highest votes of anyone just a few weeks earlier. It's moronic because it doesn't even take a 3rd grade education to figure out that the fans of last week's second to last two -- John and Diana -- and the second to last from two weeks ago -- Jasmine -- voted like crazy to avoid it happening again. Race has nothing to do with it.

gettinbranded

What do they have in common? It's either that their women...or it's their singing style...or...
... or ... they haven't been at the bottom yet, so there's no frenzy to vote for them. If Fantasia and La Toya are the bottom 2 again, then there'd be some point here, but I'll bet you your ability to use obscenely large bolded text and three-peat posts that this will not be the case. Logic is a powerful thing ... people should use it every once in a while.

das

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
...because...
Didn't you make calls for George this week?

How many did you make for Jennifer? If the answer is less than one, then this result couldn't be that shocking to you. You would have contributed to it.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:18 AM
"American Idol has received so much hype that I believe its cattle call has really brought out most of the current singing talent," says Mr. Gallego, vice president of LaForce + Stevens, whose clients have included Krispy Kreme and Bachelor Aaron Buerge. "So it makes sense that the talent pool has become much thinner."
--
Besides the fact that the talent pool may be shallower because this is the third Idol, there just aren't that many good singers in the world, period.


I've thought this too...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/texasliving/stories/042004dnlivmendoza.26e3.html

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 11:18 AM
You know... process be damned, but...



This would all be fixed if we were able to vote OUT someone. Yes, in an ideal world, we want to "create a fan frenzy" by having people make zillions of calls for "their idol". But if Red ends up in the top 3, then where are we?

Heck... Give us two numbers for each contestant. One for the fans to call in all hyped, the others for people like me to call in and negate them. :lol:

That, or let each judge pick a bottom three Dream Job-style, and they can cheat the system to outvote America when need be. :)

potvin48
04-22-04, 11:21 AM
I thought it was total BS when Randy started off with that goofy "shocked" look on his face, saying something like "Come on America, this isn't a popularity contest, this is a singing contest...You have to vote for who is the best singer!"

How does that make the other contestans (Jasmine, Red, George, and Diana) feel? Because America has a different opinion than that of the obviously "pushy" judges, that gives them the right to basically say that the three that America picked at the bottom are really the three that should be at the top??? Sorry, but not everyone is going to agree with the judges, and I think it was distasteful that he and Paula said that. Simon was the only one who mentioned that he didn't want to "take anything away from Jasmine, George, John, and Diana...

Randy, Paula, Shame on you!

Personally, I think Latoya should win, because she's a great singer, and she doesn't have a bad attitude...Look at Jennifer last night, hands on her hips, looking disgusted that she may be leaving. Fantasia has a very cocky attitude, nobody likes to watch that. Latoya always takes the comments, good and bad, and listens to them.

It really sucks that the judges have their picks set in their heads a few months ago, and all they do is pimp their picks for the next few weeks. Things didn't go their way last night, and they looked like a deer in headlights.

Another thing, I thought it was crappy that when Ryan told George to go to the "safe" group, (I believe it was Fantasia) pulled him in with her when he was standing in the middle. Like she assumed that they're the best. That's BS IMO.


Back to your regularly scheduled AI thread...

DRG
04-22-04, 11:24 AM
The those were in the bottom due to a combination of 1) they leeched votes off each other for having similar audiences (which I believe happened in the Kelly/Tamyra and Kim Locke/Trenyce situations as well) and 2) their fans were too confident (since they were the top 3 last week and got great remarks from the judges) and didn't bother to call in.

The raections were funny... poor George looked devastated throughout (and I agree it was a mean trick to play on him), John looked like he just saw his dog die, and Jasmine and Diana got really happy for a few seconds before realizing they were on camera and then went into "Oh, I'm so shocked" expressions.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:24 AM
Y2K Falcon

This would all be fixed ...
I disagree. What does it matter? I loved Tamyra, but I have to admit that Kelly went out and won that first season, and the right person won in the end. So Nikki hung around a week too long ... didn't matter. In the second season, I would have chosen Clay over Ruben, but the right two people were in the final round. This season La Toya and Fantasia are the best ones, and both of them are still in the competition. So Amy and Jennifer took an early exit ... neither of them was going to win anyway. It's a race between La Toya and Fantasia with George as a dark horse (spare me the racial outrage on the term "dark horse"). As long as they get the final person right, they've done their job. Besides, getting voted off early when you still have fans seems to boost your career. Anyone seen Nikki's album or guest spots on Fox shows?

das

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:26 AM
potvin48

I thought it was total BS when Randy started off with that goofy "shocked" look on his face, saying something like "Come on America, this isn't a popularity contest, this is a singing contest...You have to vote for who is the best singer!"
It just showed how they're a bunch of hypocrites. How many great singers got bumped out of the early rounds because they didn't "look" like an American Idol, whatever the hell that means. Reap what you sow, bitches.

das

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by potvin48
I thought it was total BS when Randy started off with that goofy "shocked" look on his face, saying something like "Come on America, this isn't a popularity contest, this is a singing contest...You have to vote for who is the best singer!"

:up: So true!


This was brought up with prior JPL discussions:

Would the "music critics/experts" who are in a huff (no pun intended) about the result last night like to critique the singing/dancing/looks of Mick Jagger?

When it comes down to it, it's up to the folks calling, text messaging, and ultimately buying CD's to determine who is a star.

Patman
04-22-04, 11:29 AM
So no one thinks singing "white" songs is killing the black singers in the vote category? (I don't think so, but obviously some do).

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:30 AM
Much noise on the board.

Fact is...after saying it was shaping up to be a battle of the divas, the three strongest singers (with similer styles) were buried under a wave of calls for any and everyone but them.

Obvious, deliberate.

Outrage too after last season when Clay fell into second place.

Iron_Giant
04-22-04, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
After the show, The Post was deluged with calls complaining that the voting was racially motivated since the three woman with the fewest votes were black.

AI is going to be forced to confront this.

Go Red Go!

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/19287.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117859,00.html
The race card cannot be played, Ruben won last year and there has been times this year where only white folk were in the bottom three.

I still think cannot believe that Ruben won last year, Clay was so much better.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by potvin48

Personally, I think Latoya should win, because she's a great singer, and she doesn't have a bad attitude...Look at Jennifer last night, hands on her hips, looking disgusted that she may be leaving. Fantasia has a very cocky attitude, nobody likes to watch that. Latoya always takes the comments, good and bad, and listens to them.


Very interesting...thanks.

I thought Jennifer was very dignified though.

Sure you didn't see what you wanted to see?

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:32 AM
Patman

So no one thinks singing "white" songs is killing the black singers in the vote category? (I don't think so, but obviously some do).
I don't think so. "White" songs or not, they were still the best performers. I think it's just a function of caller scrambling. People didn't vote much for La Toya last night because they knew she was the best. People probably voted 50 times each for John because they were scared he was a goner.

das

Iron_Giant
04-22-04, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Patman
So no one thinks singing "white" songs is killing the black singers in the vote category? (I don't think so, but obviously some do).
A white guy got voted off after singing a "white song", JPL.

Patman
04-22-04, 11:33 AM
I really wish AI would post the vote totals weekly for each contestant.

Iron_Giant
04-22-04, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
I don't think so. "White" songs or not, they were still the best performers. I think it's just a function of caller scrambling. People didn't vote much for La Toya last night because they knew she was the best. People probably voted 50 times each for John because they were scared he was a goner.

das
Our household voted for La Toya about 40 times...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Y2K Falcon

Would the "music critics/experts" who are in a huff (no pun intended) about the result last night like to critique the singing/dancing/looks of Mick Jagger?


If he were trying to be an American Idol, yes.

Patman
04-22-04, 11:35 AM
It all comes down to the mobilization of each contestant's fanbase at this point, so it's going to be a miracle that the "best" talent will win if this "voting" trend continues.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Iron_Giant
The race card cannot be played, Ruben won last year


What was America's immediate reaction?

They're still furious.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:36 AM
Iron_Giant

Our household voted for La Toya about 40 times...
So, John's still ahead by 10? :D

40 times? Damn. I think the only time I voted was after the first JPL spazz performance. It was just too funny not to receive some dap.

das

Patman
04-22-04, 11:36 AM
Now if it would possible to make the phone vote collection system one phone number, one vote, perhaps the voting wouldn't be as skewed as it appears.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 11:37 AM
Patman

It all comes down to the mobilization of each contestant's fanbase at this point, so it's going to be a miracle that the "best" talent will win if this "voting" trend continues.
If the trend continues, Fantasia and La Toya's fanbases will step up next week, and they'll be back at the top.

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:38 AM
I think Ryan and Randy's pleadings are going to backfire.

http://idolforums.com/index.php?showtopic=137343

potvin48
04-22-04, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Patman
Now if it would possible to make the phone vote collection system one phone number, one vote, perhaps the voting wouldn't be as skewed as it appears.

Amen. Why should one person get more than one vote? I suppose you could bring up the arguement about the houses with 5 people should get 5 votes if they want to, but how could that happen? I like the idea of one phone number, one vote.

What about Internet voting? One IP, one vote?

Hell, if Star Search can organize that, I'd think that AI would be able to...Of course, there'd be ten fold votes for AI that Star Search....

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 11:42 AM
Question:

Who has improved the most, who has improved the least of those left?

I think Jasmine has learned a lot about herself, I think George hasn't done all he could have done.

Patman
04-22-04, 11:44 AM
What I find interesting is that even though I watch this trainwreck of a show, I am pretty sure I won't buy an album put out by any of these contestants.

TheAllPurposeNothing
04-22-04, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Patman
What I find interesting is that even though I watch this trainwreck of a show, I am pretty sure I won't buy an album put out by any of these contestants.

Personally, if they could get Thom Bell to produce George's record, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

To be honest, the real test of the pudding will be next week when the AI record comes out. You'll be able to get a better idea of what's ahead after hearing them produced in a studio setting. Last years record said a lot about how viable many of them were as recording artists.

iggystar
04-22-04, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Patman
It all comes down to the mobilization of each contestant's fanbase at this point, so it's going to be a miracle that the "best" talent will win if this "voting" trend continues.

My only issue with the way things went last night this...John is still in the competition. That's all. While we all have our favorites for the most part it is agreed that Red has lasted weeks...weeks longer than he should. I don't have anything against the guy personally, but he's just akward, his singing is consistently mediocre to bad, his stage presence is nonexistent!!!! This has nothing to do with race! People are calling for this guy and for the life of me I can't understand why!

Last season, Clay didn't win. I didn't care much for Clay, but had he won I wouldn't have been astounded, I would have understood. He was one of the best in that group. He had stage presence and he could sing! Personally, I feel his voice is more suited for broadway than a pop album, but that's my opinion.

I knew Jennifer didn't really have a chance to win but it's just crazy to me that John is still there.

Y2K Falcon
04-22-04, 12:28 PM
I'll ask again. Who called this week, and were any of those calls for Jennifer?

Mad Dawg
04-22-04, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
What was America's immediate reaction?

They're still furious.

Furious? How did Ruben win? Did Iceland votes slip in and tip the scales?

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Furious? How did Ruben win? Did Iceland votes slip in and tip the scales?

They claim that the phone system was broken and that they couldn't get through.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 12:32 PM
gettinbranded

They claim that the phone system was broken and that they couldn't get through.
Perhaps <i>their</i> foil hats interfered with the phone transmissions?

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Perhaps <i>their</i> foil hats interfered with the phone transmissions?

das


Don't know apeman...don't know.

Patman
04-22-04, 12:36 PM
Those IceBastiches!"

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Y2K Falcon
I'll ask again. Who called this week, and were any of those calls for Jennifer?

Couldn't get through on ANY number after the first time.

My first vote was for Huff. I tried to vote for Jennifer and for Fantasia...no dice.

Groucho
04-22-04, 12:42 PM
I was disappointed when you-know-who was banned last year, knowing that this year's AI threads just wouldn't be the same without the "OMG Kelly!" noise. However, little did I know that a suitable replacement would be found this year taking these threads to a whole new level of lunacy.

Groucho
04-22-04, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
I was disappointed when you-know-who was banned last year, knowing that this year's AI threads just wouldn't be the same without the "OMG Kelly!" noise. However, little did I know that a suitable replacement would be found this year taking these threads to a whole new level of lunacy. I agree with myself!

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/cityguides/losangeles/worthdoing.htm

Struz
04-22-04, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by potvin48
I thought it was total BS when Randy started off with that goofy "shocked" look on his face, saying something like "Come on America, this isn't a popularity contest, this is a singing contest...You have to vote for who is the best singer!"

How does that make the other contestans (Jasmine, Red, George, and Diana) feel? Because America has a different opinion than that of the obviously "pushy" judges, that gives them the right to basically say that the three that America picked at the bottom are really the three that should be at the top??? Sorry, but not everyone is going to agree with the judges, and I think it was distasteful that he and Paula said that. Simon was the only one who mentioned that he didn't want to "take anything away from Jasmine, George, John, and Diana...

Randy, Paula, Shame on you!

Personally, I think Latoya should win, because she's a great singer, and she doesn't have a bad attitude...Look at Jennifer last night, hands on her hips, looking disgusted that she may be leaving. Fantasia has a very cocky attitude, nobody likes to watch that. Latoya always takes the comments, good and bad, and listens to them.

It really sucks that the judges have their picks set in their heads a few months ago, and all they do is pimp their picks for the next few weeks. Things didn't go their way last night, and they looked like a deer in headlights.

Another thing, I thought it was crappy that when Ryan told George to go to the "safe" group, (I believe it was Fantasia) pulled him in with her when he was standing in the middle. Like she assumed that they're the best. That's BS IMO.


Back to your regularly scheduled AI thread...

Great post potvin48. :thumbsup:

Don't forget about Ryan Seacrest's BS at the end of the show "come on America you have to vote for the most talented, you can't let someone as talented as Jennifer go".

Is he kidding ? She should have been gone weeks ago.

As I've said before Randy wants a black performer to win, simple.
It doesn't matter which one as long as he or she is black.

I would be very happy if LaToya or George won. They both seem like nice sincere people.

Paula is a waste. She just agrees with whatever Randy says.

:thumbsup: to Simon for saying Jasmine and Diana were good Tuesday and didn't belong in the bottom three.

I loved how they picked the bottom three with George. Although it wasn't fair to do to George because he assumed that Fantasia, LaToya and Jennifer were the top three.
Did you see how cocky Fantasia and Jennifer were (but not Latoya) and how shocked they both were when Ryan told George he went to the wrong group ?

I think the judges shouldn't give standing ovations (are you listening Randy) to any performers or tell performers that that was the best performance ever on any AI show or that they are the best singer and it's their's to loose or you don't need this show, you are a star right now. It isn't fair to the other contestants and it gives certain contestants (Fantasia) a big head.

Advice to Fantasia: Drop the church singing in every song, stop telling the audience to clap along with you, try to pronounce the words so that we can understand what you are singing and stop saying "yeah, yeah, yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" at the end of every song.

Looking forward to seeing Fantasia get the boot next week !

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Struz
As I've said before Randy wants a black performer to win, simple.
It doesn't matter which one as long as he or she is black.

What a disgusting accusation. He's rooting for the strongest singers...and has complimented AND slammed all of them.


:thumbsup: to Simon for saying Jasmine and Diana were good Tuesday and didn't belong in the bottom three.


No. He didn't say they didn't belong. He said they were excellent.

Remember the first thing he said?

"Tongue. Floor. "

Nice selective memory there.


Looking forward to seeing Fantasia get the boot next week !

Me too. Get the album into my hands faster.

Go Red Go so this seasons results don't have to happen again.

Groucho
04-22-04, 01:06 PM
BTW, getting booted off early doesn't mean that the performer will get an album out any faster, since all the finalists are still under contract until the big summer "AI Concert Tour" is over.

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
What a disgusting accusation. He's rooting for the strongest singers...and has complimented AND slammed all of them.





His slams on the black contestants are far less severe than his slams on the white contestants and his praises towards the black contestants are much stronger than his praises towards the white contestants.

I love how you turn a blind eye to obvious things. :)

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
His slams on the black contestants are far less severe than his slams on the white contestants and his praises towards the black contestants are much stronger than his praises towards the white contestants.


Disgusting, disgusting...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
BTW, getting booted off early doesn't mean that the performer will get an album out any faster, since all the finalists are still under contract until the big summer "AI Concert Tour" is over.

She's not prevented from working on her own pieces while the others are tied up with the show...

...yawn...

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Disgusting, disgusting...

I agree, you ignoring the obvious is quite disgusting!

Oh wait, I'm racist, that's right. Even though I've been pulling for LaToya since Amy got the boot.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:13 PM
In USATODAY.com's poll, readers said LaToya London should be the next Idol, followed by Hudson and Barrino. At the conclusion of the show, host Ryan Seacrest told stunned viewers to remember to vote for the contestants with the most talent "so we don't lose another talent like Jennifer Hudson."

Like Fatasia or Latoya. I'd bet theres some acrimony in the mansion they all share.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/americanidol-index.htm

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho


Oh wait, I'm racist, that's right.

Never said that. I said your saying that Randys decisions are based on race should be viewed the same as

saying that Americas decision is tinged by race.

Shall I recall the adjectives hurled when that accusation came down?

Groucho
04-22-04, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
...yawn... Did Rivero hack your account?

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
It's moronic...It's moronic because...Race has nothing to do with it.
--
Logic is a powerful thing ... people should use it every once in a while.

das

das Monkey
04-22-04, 01:21 PM
El Scorcho

I agree, you ignoring the obvious is quite disgusting!
Agreed.

I also have to agree that Randy shows some clear favortism to the black performers in his comments. That's not a racial indictment, just an observation of Randy's individual actions. Since the black performers have been the best this season, it's not as noticeable, but when one of them clearly has a terrible performance, he always avoids criticizing them. Paula's not much different when it comes to cute guys, and Simon with girls he wants to bone.

<b>Groucho</b>, rotfl at the earlier posts.

das

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
It's moronic...It's moronic because...Race has nothing to do with it.
--
Logic is a powerful thing ... people should use it every once in a while.

das

Mad Dawg
04-22-04, 01:26 PM
Another thing, I thought it was crappy that when Ryan told George to go to the "safe" group, (I believe it was Fantasia) pulled him in with her when he was standing in the middle. Like she assumed that they're the best. That's BS IMO.

No one pulled him in. LaToya waved him over.

Putting him on the spot like that, regardless of the message being sent, was a pretty rotten thing to do.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 01:26 PM
It's moronic...It's moronic because...Race has nothing to do with it.
--
Logic is a powerful thing ... people should use it every once in a while.

das

My inane post is bigger than yours! Booga booga! -ohbfrank- Where's <b>mcbg1</b> when you need him?

das

OMG Kelly!

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 01:29 PM
Latin week with Gloria Estefan next week.

Unless Jamine (she's a native Phillipino, right?) speaks and is going to do a spanish number (that would be neat) no one really has a built in advantage here.

Big Boy Laroux
04-22-04, 01:41 PM
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to Simon for saying Jasmine and Diana were good Tuesday and didn't belong in the bottom three.

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No. He didn't say they didn't belong. He said they were excellent.

Remember the first thing he said?

"Tongue. Floor. "

Nice selective memory there


um, nice selective memory there yourself. Simon's "tongue. floor" reaction was to the results of the bottom 3. The poster you are quoting is talking about how simon mentioned Jasmine and Diana's performances, and how they deserve to not be in the bottom 3.

CreatureX
04-22-04, 01:46 PM
So have each of the remaining finalists been part of the bottom three? I missed some shows and I'm wondering if Red has ever been a part of the bottom three...

Groucho
04-22-04, 01:49 PM
I think everybody but George has been in the Final 3.

Jeremy517
04-22-04, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by CreatureX
So have each of the remaining finalists been part of the bottom three? I missed some shows and I'm wondering if Red has ever been a part of the bottom three...

He was in the bottom three with Diana and JPL last week.

Struz
04-22-04, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
What a disgusting accusation. He's rooting for the strongest singers...and has complimented AND slammed all of them.


It's a fact.
Wether you choose to accept it or deny it is meaningless.

How many standing o's did Randy give a white or Hawaiin performer ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say was the best performance he had ever heard ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were the best singers in the group ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say didn't need to AI and were a star right now ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were "da bomb" ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were just allright ? Answer, too many to count.

rkndkn
04-22-04, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Y2K Falcon
I'll ask again. Who called this week, and were any of those calls for Jennifer?

I called during the commercial breaks for "24" and got in about 5 times for LaToya. During the 2nd hour, I called again and got in 21 straight times for LaToya before hitting my first busy signal. Surprising.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Big Boy Laroux
um, nice selective memory there yourself. Simon's "tongue. floor" reaction was to the results of the bottom 3. The poster you are quoting is talking about how simon mentioned Jasmine and Diana's performances, and how they deserve to not be in the bottom 3.

He did not say that they didn't deserve to be in the bottom three.

He said something to the effect of "Taking nothing away from...because they were excellent yesterday".


How many standing o's did Randy give a white or Hawaiin performer ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say was the best performance he had ever hear ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were the best singers in the group ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say didn't need to AI and were a star right now ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were "da bomb" ? Answer, 0.

How many white or Asian performers did Randy say were just allright ? Answer, too many to count.


Maybe there aren't any strong ones in this competition. He did like Amy before she left (too early).




Anyway...this is all tiring. People are going to see it their way.

Let's just have peace, ok?

Enjoy the rest of the show and the new album coming out everyone.

Jadzia
04-22-04, 02:23 PM
I think what is interesting about this year is that there doesn't seem to be perennial favorites who are always on top, but instead we are seeing a "ping-pong" effect every week. Someone makes the bottom 3 one week, then the fans rally the next week, putting them in the "safe" group. And then we have a different bottom 3 practically every week.

Rogue588
04-22-04, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Where's <b>mcbg1</b> when you need him?

das

OMG Kelly! After reading this thread, i'm beginning to believe that

gettinbranded = mcbg1
[he's just gotten a little louder...]
[he's just gotten a little louder...]

[and repetitive...]
[and repetitive...]

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:50 PM
Have the mods do all their checks: IP, email address, etc.

Don't know who the guy is, but I'm not him.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 02:57 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4649112/

Commentary

das Monkey
04-22-04, 03:07 PM
gettinbranded

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4649112/

Commentary
Updated: 12:39 p.m. ET April 22, 2004
:hscratch: I swear I read that tired rant two weeks ago.

So what's the answer? How can it be stopped? Fairly simply, as a matter of fact. Votes shouldn't be cast for who you like; they should be for who you want to see eliminated.
That would work great, Einstein. You think you're pissed now? How'd you like it when the "People" ban together to kick off someone like Fantasia in the first week? At least this way, the right person is still likely to win in the finals. All these whiney articles ignore (or don't adequately consider) that their "better" method would only result in <i>more</i> injustices.

das

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 03:10 PM
How on earth can people "band" together to vote off one person? WIth millions of votes, I can't imagine a few hundred thousand people coming up with a voting scheme.

Groucho
04-22-04, 03:11 PM
We go through the debate about whether contestants should be voted off in every thread. If the voting were revamped, I would one (or both) of the following:

1. Cummulative voting...the person who gets voted off each week is the one who's had the least votes over the entire run of the show. No more of this "Only as good as the last performance."

2. Full disclosure of who got how many votes.

Mad Dawg
04-22-04, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
How on earth can people "band" together to vote off one person? WIth millions of votes, I can't imagine a few hundred thousand people coming up with a voting scheme.

Didn't you see last year's MLB All-Star game?

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Mad Dawg
Didn't you see last year's MLB All-Star game?

That was all with internet voting and with a lot larger of a time window. :)

Mad Dawg
04-22-04, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
That was all with internet voting and with a lot larger of a time window. :)

Yeah, but the Yankees still suck, right?

das Monkey
04-22-04, 03:23 PM
El Scorcho

How on earth can people "band" together to vote off one person? WIth millions of votes, I can't imagine a few hundred thousand people coming up with a voting scheme.
They don't need an elaborate scheme. They'd just vote for whom they thought was the best. All the supposed JPL, Red, Jasmine, George fans would concentrate most of their voting on probably two people, and it would be enough to knock one of them off. And Heaven forbid someone have a stellar night like Fantasia did with 'Summertime' painting a massive target on her back. In the end, you'd get the same result of certain groups of people voting in a way to help their person move on to the next round. The <i>difference</i> would be instead of average talents like Jennifer getting dropped early, the <i>best</i> talents would be the ones taking the early exit, because they would pose the biggest threat. In the current system, the "People" can't take away votes from the best singers, only promote their one favorite. In the "better" (aka, terribly flawed) system, they'd concentrate on hurting the best. No, they wouldn't be on the same page every week, but they'd get the job done sooner or later. While honest people were splitting their "you suck" votes on Camille and JPL and Red and Matt, the "People" (who you must concede vote <i>more</i>, otherwise there's no reason to change in the first place) would have fewer targets amongst whom to split their votes. Also, you have to assume that the honest folk aren't going to spend all night dialing in to take out one of the bad contestants ... but the "People" won't waste a single second, dialing hundreds of times to squash the competition.

That's how.

das

Jeremy517
04-22-04, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Where's <b>mcbg1</b> when you need him?

In my ignore list :)

Patman
04-22-04, 03:29 PM
Plus, as it's been said a million times before, the emphasis of this voting process is to find contestants that can garner votes and a rabid fanbase so that when the winner is announced, and puts out a CD, that fanbase will buy the CD, which is the longer range goal of the show.

If you just vote for who you don't like, the negativity isn't likely to produce a strong allegiance to the eventual winner, who will have won by attrition, rather than by support from their fans during the entire season.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
How on earth can people "band" together to vote off one person?

They're doing it now.

The way it is now is that they pool their efforts when someone is voted off. They had agreements that if JPL left, all his votes would go Stevens and vice-versa. And now their setting up to swing them to Jasmine (or was it Diana??) if he goes.

The aim is to prevent Fantasia, George or Latoya ("The judges favorites") from winning.

All on idolforums.com

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
They don't need an elaborate scheme. They'd just vote for whom they thought was the best. All the supposed JPL, Red, Jasmine, George fans would concentrate most of their voting on probably two people, and it would be enough to knock one of them off. And Heaven forbid someone have a stellar night like Fantasia did with 'Summertime' painting a massive target on her back. In the end, you'd get the same result of certain groups of people voting in a way to help their person move on to the next round. The <i>difference</i> would be instead of average talents like Jennifer getting dropped early, the <i>best</i> talents would be the ones taking the early exit, because they would pose the biggest threat. In the current system, the "People" can't take away votes from the best singers, only promote their one favorite. In the "better" (aka, terribly flawed) system, they'd concentrate on hurting the best. No, they wouldn't be on the same page every week, but they'd get the job done sooner or later. While honest people were splitting their "you suck" votes on Camille and JPL and Red and Matt, the "People" (who you must concede vote <i>more</i>, otherwise there's no reason to change in the first place) would have fewer targets amongst whom to split their votes. Also, you have to assume that the honest folk aren't going to spend all night dialing in to take out one of the bad contestants ... but the "People" won't waste a single second, dialing hundreds of times to squash the competition.

That's how.

das

A reasonably good post. I'm surprised. ;)

Which is why the judges should do the eliminating down to the final three or four then America votes.

Or

The judges select the worst two or three each night and America votes from those three only.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Patman
Plus, as it's been said a million times before, the emphasis of this voting process is to find contestants that can garner votes and a rabid fanbase so that when the winner is announced, and puts out a CD, that fanbase will buy the CD, which is the longer range goal of the show.


Done.

Stevens has his. And there are people waiting for his album...

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Their doing it now.

The way it is now is that they pool their efforts when someone is voted off. They had agreements that if JPL left, all his votes would go Stevens and vice-versa. And now their setting up to swing them to Jasmine (or was it Diana??) if he goes.

The aim is to prevent Fantasia, George or Latoya ("The judges favorites") from winning.

All on idolforums.com

You really think one message board can sway the voting that much? :lol:

das Monkey
04-22-04, 03:39 PM
gettinbranded

A spectacular post. I'm in awe.
No problem.

gettinbranded

Which is why the judges should do the eliminating down to the final three or four then America votes.

Or

The judges select the worst two or three each night and America votes from those three only.
Simon hates fat girls, Randy's partial to blacks, and Paula's tone deaf. Is this really a better solution?

das

Dalvin
04-22-04, 03:41 PM
I thought someone said it was going to be "The Captain and Tennille" night......honestly, while Toni Tennille has gone down as a singer over the years(but cut her some clack she's 60 something). Her music is fun and she's very charismatic. I was actually pumped when this was first posted, and pissed to find out it wasn't true. 'Latin Night"????? How stupid can you get? I wouldn't be surprised to see William Hung come out of nowhere and do "She Bangs".....as a special performance with Ricky Martin(please don't have him as the guest judge).
I actually was thinking that LaToya would do a nice version of "Love Will Keep Us Together".



Why the hell now "Captain and Tennille"??????????? NO Latin Night!!!!!!!!!

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
You really think one message board can sway the voting that much?




Umm...Stevens is still around.

And if you spend some time on the board you get the idea that it's not limited to that one.

My ignore box finger is getting twitchy.

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:43 PM
LOL @ das...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
No problem.


Simon hates fat girls, Randy's partial to blacks, and Paula's tone deaf. Is this really a better solution?

das

For the majority of America that doesn't think like you...yup.

das Monkey
04-22-04, 03:45 PM
OMG Kelly ... his spirit lives!

das

Gil Jawetz
04-22-04, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Dalvin
I thought someone said it was going to be "The Captain and Tennille" night......honestly, while Toni Tennille has gone down as a singer over the years(but cut her some clack she's 60 something). Her music is fun and she's very charismatic. I was actually pumped when this was first posted, and pissed to find out it wasn't true. 'Latin Night"????? How stupid can you get? I wouldn't be surprised to see William Hung come out of nowhere and do "She Bangs".....as a special performance with Ricky Martin(please don't have him as the guest judge).
I actually was thinking that LaToya would do a nice version of "Love Will Keep Us Together".



Why the hell now "Captain and Tennille"??????????? NO Latin Night!!!!!!!!!

rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

das Monkey
04-22-04, 03:53 PM
Dalvin

NO Latin Night!!!!!!!!!
Disgusting, disgusting...

gettinbranded
04-22-04, 03:54 PM
WWRS?

What will Red sing?

El Scorcho
04-22-04, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by gettinbranded
Umm...Stevens is still around.

And if you spend some time on the board you get the idea that it's not limited to that one.

My ignore box finger is getting twitchy.

Go ahead and ignore me, it'll save you from having to read realistic replies and you can go on living in that fantasy world you live in. :up: