if you could cut an hour of stuff from kill bill vol 1 and 2 to make one 3 hr movie..

[Rypro 525]

what would they be.
i personally think that its perfect like it is, and that cuts would take away from the little character moments that Tarantino put into both movies. but i know there are people who thought that it could easily be one 3 hour movie. if it was one long 3 hour movie, then about 15 min would be cut from vol 1 and about 45 min from vol 2.

[Drop]

I completely agree with you Rypro, I saw nothing that should be cut out. I expect the long NC-17 cut to have even more footage, actually. Which I think could work, as the structure would be changed.

I have said my peace, and I leave this thread.

[cruzness]

I agree with the both of yous. I would change nothing. Except for the Black and white during the battle with the Crazy-88's.

[das Monkey]

I can't imagine cutting these two films. The dialogue and character development are essential, so if you were to cut anything, it would have to be stuff like the Crazy 88 sequence, which seems a horrible proposition.

I'm one of those that suggested the second two <b>Matrix</b> films would have been better as one sequel instead of a drawn-out trilogy, but with <b>Kill Bill</b>, I think the two films make sense as stand-alones, and I can really understand why it was suggested in the first place (putting aside monetary concerns). At this point, I'm not even sure I like the idea of combining them into one <i>uncut</i> film.

das

[Groucho]

Only thing I'd cut was the 15 minutes of close-ups on Uma's feet in the first movie.

[devilshalo]

I'd cut out O-ren's origin/anime sequence. She's the only one to get any back story. Nothing on Vernita Green or Ellie Driver. To me it was a stand alone piece that could be cut without giving up the story of the Bride. And I guess it's because it is the Bride's story.

[smirnoff]

if you could cut an hour of stuff from kill bill vol 1 and 2 to make one 3 hr movie..

I would still hate it.

[Groucho]

Originally posted by smirnoff
if you could cut an hour of stuff from kill bill vol 1 and 2 to make one 3 hr movie..

I would still hate it. Interesting that you went and saw Vol 2 after hating Vol 1.

[Scorpio]

I would cut nothing, especially the anime! I would only re-add the things that were cut for puritanical Americans.

[whynotsmile]

the scenes were long in vol 2. little nip and tucks here and there could have helped the pacing. also not needed was bud's conversation with his boss.

[drjay]

Originally posted by Scorpio
I would only re-add the things that were cut for puritanical Americans.

If they were cutting things for "putianical Americans" I'm pretty sure volume 1 would've been approximately 30 minutes long.

[RichC2]

-10 minutes - Bill at the My Oh My titty bars.
-10 minutes - O-Ren Ishii's anime sequence - I LOVE the sequence, but found it rather bizarrely placed. Should be an additional scene.
-10 minutes - a few "minor" things here and there in volume 1.
-10 minutes - a few "minor" things here and there in volume 2.
+10 minutes - flashback scene to Bill vs. Gambler and Jai White
+5 minutes - I want Sofie Fatale back : (

The first two were the only two character-centric pieces that actually had no effect whatsoever on anything else, I love the O-Ren part but found it a bit unfair toward other characters and Budd's part which did nothing for me.

I love the movie as a whole, but those are the only two things that actually stood out as "cuttable", the rest are extended scenes that could be snipped with nobody noticing.

[Suprmallet]

As someone else said, I would probably add scenes, and revert the House of Blue Leaves to color.

[Sierra Disc]

I think I'd cut the O-Ren back story, which like others have said wasn't really needed and wasn't given for any other villains. From V2, I'd cut back some of the Budd stuff with his work and the pointless conversation with his boss (I had thought at the end he might kill his boss but he didn't)

But really, it works well as two movies.

[Suprmallet]

I think the O-Ren backstory is important because she's the main villain in Vol. 1. It's needed to show how bloodthirsty she is, and how tough it's going to be when The Bride takes her on.

[Simpson Purist]

-Color House of Blue Leaves (personally I didn't mind the B&W switch, but it'll be interesting nonetheless)
-Opening monologue to Vol. 2 (while amusing, it's meaningless since it's gonna be one movie)

Kill Bill is great as two, but I'll be very interested to see if Tarantino decides to go the "Godfather Saga" route with this one.

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Simpson Purist
-Opening monologue to Vol. 2 (while amusing, it's meaningless since it's gonna be one movie)Just move it to the beginning of the whole thing.

[cultshock]

I would tighten up some scenes here and there, but the only complete scene that I think could be ditched with no effect was the scene between Budd and his boss in Vol 2. Sure it was mildly amusing, and it kind of showed that Budd had pretty well hit rock bottom, but I didn't find it too necessary to the film.

[caiman]

Originally posted by Groucho
Just move it to the beginning of the whole thing.

But doesn't she say something like, "I've killed a hell of a lot of people to get this far" or something like that?

[devilshalo]

Originally posted by Suprmallet
I think the O-Ren backstory is important because she's the main villain in Vol. 1. It's needed to show how bloodthirsty she is, and how tough it's going to be when The Bride takes her on.

Then remove the anime and just cut to the explanation of her becoming the head of the Yakuza. That would have been sufficient. The anime sequence is there just so QT can have an anime sequence.

Vernita Green is just as important than O-Ren. It just so happens that the Bride takes care of O-Ren because she was the easiest to find. (Plus she was in the area to get the Hanzo sword.)

Now I'm wondering why since O-Ren is first on the list, the Bride didn't have the Hanzo sword with her as she went to Vernita's?

[cultshock]

I never thought of that. Maybe, she just forgot it in the P*ssy Wagon. :D

[Rypro 525]

Originally posted by caiman
But doesn't she say something like, "I've killed a hell of a lot of people to get this far" or something like that? the opening monologue was in the begining of the movie in the script.

[DVD Smurf]

leave as is...

[Rypro 525]

technically, she only kills O-Ren with the Hanzo sword. also, she didn't really kill Elle Driver, she just took her eye out and stepped on it, she was left there to suffer, budd was killed with the black mamba snake, and bill was killed by the trick Pei Mei taught her

[silentbob007]

I don't understand the reason for several of Budd's scenes ....

- as others have said, the confrontation with his boss had no payoff

- what was the purpsose of the whole "pawned" sword bit except for a couple of jokes?

[Suprmallet]

Originally posted by devilshalo
Then remove the anime and just cut to the explanation of her becoming the head of the Yakuza. That would have been sufficient. The anime sequence is there just so QT can have an anime sequence.

I've been thinking about this, and, above and beyond my original points, I have some more. Not only does the sequence build her up as the heavy for the first half of the film, but it also gives us a break from the leg revitalization scene and is necessary to make us forget that The Bride is actually trying to do that so that when the sequence end, she can have the joke of, "But, first thing's first: Move your big toe."

So I really think the anime needs to be in the movie.

[nightmaster]

I'm sure most of us sat through ROTK, which was one LONG sit for a movie. I dont think the KB tandem would be hard to sit through and be just as satisfied.
If I were to nip and tuck to fuse these two together I'd definitely cut away the opening sequence of Vol. 2. Of course we'd be spared opening credits for 2, as well as end credits for Vol.1. In the US we never got to see Sofie lose her other arm in the trunk sequence, so much of that could go, leaving us with the converstaion between Bill and Sofie and not much more. I'd leave in the Budd/boss sequence; it fleshes out the character to see how fall he's fallen as the years have passed. If anything I would have liked to see more of the Sofie character in the second movie, even if only as a flashback; and would have DEFINITELY liked to have seen more fleshing out of Elle's character.
Hey, I've paid my money enough to only be cheated by movies with less than 90 minute running times, why would I want to lessen my pleasure here?:)

[cultshock]

Originally posted by silentbob007
- what was the purpsose of the whole "pawned" sword bit except for a couple of jokes?

I think that it kind of touched on the bad blood between Bill and Budd that wasn't really revealed (other than Bill telling Budd that their previous conversation wasn't too friendly, or something like that). Bill gave him the sword, and Budd lied that he ended up pawning it just to hurt his brother.

[Suprmallet]

Originally posted by cultshock
I think that it kind of touched on the bad blood between Bill and Budd that weren't really revealed (other than Bill telling Budd that their previous conversation wasn't too friendly, or something like that). Bill gave him the sword, and Budd lied that he ended up pawning it just to hurt his brother.

That was something I didn't catch, but it makes sense. I felt like it was there to purposely confound everyone's expectations. When the sword actually shows up, it's almost like a deus ex machina.

[cultshock]

Originally posted by Suprmallet
When the sword actually shows up, it's almost like a deus ex machina.

Yeah, good point, I was thinking that too. She needed a sword, and there one was.

[Suprmallet]

Even the explanation felt like a deus ex machina kind of thing. "Well, I guess that makes him a liar, don't it?" But that kind of stuff probably wasn't uncommon in the movies QT was referencing, so I let it go.

[cultshock]

Originally posted by cultshock
I think that it kind of touched on the bad blood between Bill and Budd that wasn't really revealed .

Hmmm, I just remembered that some of the problems between them probably had something to do with Bill's relationship with the Bride, which Budd didn't approve of.

[Trigger]

While watching it I felt like most of the second film was filler... alot of it was redundant and unnecessary exposition. I also felt like he brought up alot of things that never paid off. I understand that there had to be some redundant scenes in the second film so it could stand on its own. As one entire film though, the whole beginning of volume 2 was too slow paced and dull compared to where we left off in vol 1 and it would be kinda akward as a whole. By the time she's halfway through the story, we don't need to be reminded of why she has to kill these people.

I did like vol 2, but I'd like to see both films cut into one 3 hour flick. I'd also like to see the bride head back to bud's after killing bill and snatch the case full of money and see ol' no-eyes had died of a snakebite. Cuz I luves me them hollywood endings.

[Suprmallet]

I disagree. I think, were it one film, we would need the pace to slow down after the House of Blue Leaves. After all, if you keep the audience in a ramped-up state of excitement for the whole movie, eventually it won't feel as exhilirating anymore. The film needs its peaks and valleys, it wouldn't work as well without them.

[RichC2]

Well it was discussed on another forum, but oh well, this is out I picture the movie working best (for me):

1. Opening from Volume 1/2 with the bride getting it in the head (not the recap) + Massacre at Two Pines directly following.
2. Blood Splattered Bride
3. The Man from Okinawa
4. Showdown at the House of Blue Leaves ending with Sofie talking to Bill, excised are the comments "Does she realize, her daughter is still alive?" and the quick oneliners by Budd and Elle.
5. 2 and, as usual, as the bride rides off into the sunset with the ***** wagon - a nice transfer from hong kong to western. Followed by, perhaps, a scene of the PW breaking down or something along those lines.
6. The lonely grave of Paula Schultz minus the first 10 minutes w/ senor Budd at My Oh My.
7. The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei
8. Elle and I
Last Chapter - Face to Face.

The anime sequence DID fit a good deal (looking back) as two separate movies, not so much as one singular one.

But that's just me I suppose. Plus, how would The Bride know there was a cool mill in the briefcase? Also, I think I woulda liked Volume 1 a little more having seen The Bride in pre-deathwish mode. Her giddy little laughing with her airy little friends converging to her being hardcore killer would prove pretty effective I'd think.

[Phyre]

Originally posted by Suprmallet
Even the explanation felt like a deus ex machina kind of thing. "Well, I guess that makes him a liar, don't it?" But that kind of stuff probably wasn't uncommon in the movies QT was referencing, so I let it go.

I think him *keeping* the sword has a lot to do with the relatively unspoken motif of him being a broke-down ex-gunfighter style person. He's a loser in the real world but he hasn't completely ditched the pride he had in being a killer (or perhaps the feelings for his brother).