I don't think a Laker fan should be allowed to make the first Kings thread here.
It is an inCITEful thing to do - it was only done to provide an outlet to bash the Kings.
This board is well-known to be dominated by Laker fans - that is the reason why I wouldn't think of having real Kings discussion here. There are plenty of Kings fans sites that provide that (and they have a HIGH volume of Laker fans going out of their way to register on a KINGS board and bash endlessly).
Da Thrilla
03-26-04, 06:02 PM
Kings suck too :D
MJKTool
03-26-04, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by reapersaurus
It is an inCITEful thing to do - it was only done to provide an outlet to bash the Kings.
Actually I made it so you could have an outlet for your team, rather than threadcrapping in our Laker thread all the time.
"You know what? San Antonio is a peer. They won a championship.. And the day the Kings make it to the Finals or win a championship, I'd be the first to stand up in front of 'em and congratulate 'em. I'm just not a big fan of people who talk like they've done something, and they haven't done anything..
fumanstan
03-26-04, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by reapersaurus
I don't think a Laker fan should be allowed to make the first Kings thread here.
It is an inCITEful thing to do - it was only done to provide an outlet to bash the Kings.
This board is well-known to be dominated by Laker fans - that is the reason why I wouldn't think of having real Kings discussion here. There are plenty of Kings fans sites that provide that (and they have a HIGH volume of Laker fans going out of their way to register on a KINGS board and bash endlessly).
El Scorcho made one of the continuing Laker threads, so it really doesn't matter.
And besides, it seems like your only point in the Laker threads were to bash the Lakers, and often prevented us from having any real Laker discussion. But i guess the suspension will kill of this thread pretty quickly.
db27
03-26-04, 10:44 PM
I wish Peja and Brad Miller were on other teams, they are the only likeable characters on that squad. Everyone else really annoys me.
Bibby = mini me lookalike whiner
Christy = arm waiving nutcase
Webber = CRYBABY WHINER (edited cuz das is right ;) )
Divac = whiner/flop-master
furthermore, to clarify I don't hate these guys cuz I'm a laker fan, if I was a Kings fan I would also hate them and there antics.
for example, as a laker fan, and can say with a big grin that I can't stand Rick Fox!
das Monkey
03-26-04, 11:15 PM
Webber as the biggest crybaby? No offense, but that's pretty silly. There are far bigger whiners in the league, hell on his own team.
Anyway, my thoughts on the Kings are simple. IMO, they've been the best overall team in the league the past 3 years. 2 years ago, they were simply unlucky. The Lakers won it all with some clutch performance at the precise time they needed it, but the way some try to take anything away from the Kings' performance that season is really weak: yeah, I'm looking at you, Fox. Last year, injuries got them. No, they haven't broken through and won, and I don't give them credit for what they have yet to accomplish, but they still deserve some serious respect. IMO, they're two plays away from trying to Three-peat this season. Once again, I think they're the best overall team in the league. Perhaps this is the year they finally break through.
das
MJKTool
03-26-04, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Anyway, my thoughts on the Kings are simple. IMO, they've been the best overall team in the league the past 3 years.
....or the other team who beat them the past 3 years was the better team. Seems pretty simple to me. If they were the better team then they should have figured out how to win the title by now. Sorry but I dont believe in "unlucky" 3 straight times.
das Monkey
03-26-04, 11:49 PM
Sorry, but I didn't say "unlucky" 3 straight times. I also already addressed your comments in my post, giving credit to the Lakers where it was due, and not giving credit to the Kings for what they've yet to accomplish. That doesn't change the fact that I think they've been the best overall team in the league over the past 3 years, and I stand by my post. I'm not sure how one could seriously argue that it's an unreasonable statement.
das
MJKTool
03-26-04, 11:54 PM
Well wouldnt they have to be unlucky if they were the best overall team the past 3 years and have yet to win squat? The better team is the team that can ultimately find the way to win the championship. Thats the whole purose of the NBA season.
das Monkey
03-26-04, 11:56 PM
Yeah, I guess you could call them unlucky for the last 2 years. My point is that I'm not using that as an excuse to take credit away from the accomplishments of others.
The best team in 2002 were the Lakers.
The best team in 2003 were the Spurs.
The best team in 2004 is unknown.
Currently, IMO, the best overall team from 2002-2004 are the Kings. What's so wrong about that? Although, if the Lakers take them down again, I'll have to adjust that opinion.
das
db27
03-26-04, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Webber as the biggest crybaby? No offense, but that's pretty silly. There are far bigger whiners in the league, hell on his own team.
But he is gifted cuz he just whines with his face!!! He always looks like he is gonna cry or throw a tantrum. Granted he is talented, but that Kings would be better without him imo.
He has always bothered me in that regard.
das Monkey
03-26-04, 11:59 PM
Better without him or not, you want to tell me with a straight face he's a bigger crybaby than Wallace? Or even Divac? ;) (And since you said "the world" ... Omarosa?)
das
db27
03-26-04, 11:59 PM
I would say that the Kings have been the best regular season team in each of the last three years, but they just don't have what it takes to get it done in the playoffs (my opinion of course)
I hate em' but I'm not afraid to praise em'!
db27
03-27-04, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Better without him or not, you want to tell me with a straight face he's a bigger crybaby than Wallace? Or even Divac? ;) (And since you said "the world" ... Omarosa?)
das
okay... okay, you win!
db27
03-27-04, 12:01 AM
my orignal post is now edited!
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Currently, IMO, the best overall team from 2002-2004 are the Kings. What's so wrong about that?
Because it makes no sense to me. -wink- If the best team of '02 was the Lakers and the best team from '03 was the Spurs then following that logic its a tie between the Lakers and the Spurs for the past 3 seasons. This season would break that tie. How do the Kings factor in? The regular season is just an exercise for what eventually determines who is the best.
das Monkey
03-27-04, 12:04 AM
• db27 •
I would say that the Kings have been the best regular season team in each of the last three years, but they just don't have what it takes to get it done in the playoffs (my opinion of course)
I don't think that's fair to say just yet. It's hard to deny that in 2002 they were every bit the match for the Lakers. Yeah, the Lakers got it done and deserve the credit, but it's not like the Kings folded under the pressure. They certainly had "what it takes" ... they just got beat by another team that had "what it takes." In 2003, who knows, since Webber went down, and they didn't have the time to recover so late in the game (unlike this year where they could prepare without him). If they can't get it done this year (barring any freak occurrence), I'd be inclined to agree with you, but at this point, I think that's an unfair assessment.
das
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by db27
But he is gifted cuz he just whines with his face!!! He always looks like he is gonna cry or throw a tantrum. Granted he is talented, but that Kings would be better without him imo.
He has always bothered me in that regard.
Thats exactly how I feel! :lol: It looks either like he's crying or has that "taking a shit look".
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
..but it's not like the Kings folded under the pressure. They certainly had "what it takes" ... they just got beat by another team that had "what it takes."
What! :lol: Do you not see the contradiction right there?!
fumanstan
03-27-04, 12:10 AM
I think its silly to discredit the Kings just because they haven't won the big one. I can certainly see how someone can consider them the best team over the last couple of years.
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:12 AM
I'm certainly not discrediting them at all. They are a great team, and I always love watching them battle it out with the Lakers. I just dont agree they have been the best the past 3 years thats all :)
db27
03-27-04, 12:14 AM
by no means to I aim to discredit the talent on that team and what they have done, but I still don't feel that they can get it done in the playoffs.
I like there chances better without CWebb though. And I think that Bobby Jackson is more essential to them then CWebb because you just can't rely on <s>mini-me</s> Bibby to get it done
das Monkey
03-27-04, 12:14 AM
• MJKTool •
Because it makes no sense to me. -wink- If the best team of '02 was the Lakers and the best team from '03 was the Spurs then following that logic its a tie between the Lakers and the Spurs for the past 3 seasons. This season would break that tie. How do the Kings factor in? The regular season is just an exercise for what eventually determines who is the best.
That's too black and white, IMO. If 10 different teams win over the course of 10 seasons, but one of them comes in dead last over 9 seasons, and another comes in 2nd over 9 seasons, your "logic" would have them equally as good over the course of the 10 year period.
The Kings were easily the 2nd best team in 2002, by Horry's nose, and far better than the Spurs (as were the Lakers). While it's difficult to know, since Webber was hurt, and there wasn't a true head-to-head, it's my opinion that in 2003, both the Spurs and Kings were better than the Lakers. And I would argue that at full strength the Kings were better than the Spurs, but we'll never know. This season, I say the Kings are currently better than the Lakers and the Spurs, although it's close. Averaging out over the ~3 year timespan, I think it's reasonable to say the Kings are the best overall team.
das
das Monkey
03-27-04, 12:17 AM
• MJKTool •
What! :lol: Do you not see the contradiction right there?!
There is no contradiction. You don't need to win the title to have the ability to do so. By comparison, the Mavs <i>don't</i> have what it takes. The Kings have proven that they do. Had Horry missed that shot, I wouldn't be sitting here claiming the 2002 Lakers didn't have what it takes.
das
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
That's too black and white, IMO. If 10 different teams win over the course of 10 seasons, but one of them comes in dead last over 9 seasons, and another comes in 2nd over 9 seasons, your "logic" would have them equally as good over the course of the 10 year period.
Maybe it is too black and white, but thats how I feel. In your example no one team is the better team for those 10 years. Those ten teams are equal.
You equate better apparently by the teams performance during the regular season. I see it is whoever ultimately wins the final goal (the championship). All else is just masterbation.
das Monkey
03-27-04, 12:24 AM
My example had nothing to do with the regular season. A team that wins a title in 1990 and doesn't make the playoffs for 9 years straight is as good over the 10 year span as a team who loses 4-3 in the championship by one point in game 7 every year from 1990-1998 and then wins the title in 1999 by winning every playoff game by 100 points? While you may find my example outrageous, this what your black and white position supports.
das
MJKTool
03-27-04, 12:46 AM
If were going to get "outreagous" here. In regards to those particular 10 teams and deciding who is the better team by looking solely at those ten teams titles. Then nothing else matters. The ten teams are all equal because they have the same amount number of titles.....1. :D
das Monkey
03-27-04, 12:55 AM
Yeah, that opinion is outrageous. :D
das
damn_skippy
03-27-04, 01:11 AM
Queens lick balls.
devilshalo
03-27-04, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by damn_skippy
Queens lick balls.
Sacramento Kings power forward Chris Webber is reportedly considering a request for a trade following fans' recent booing of him at Arco Arena, according to the Sacramento Bee.
The Bee reported the five-time All Star and team co-captain feels "more than betrayed" by the booing, which occurred in two recent games following Webber's return from a serious knee injury.
"It (the booing) definitely changes my outlook, my focus," Webber told the newspaper. "I'm very disappointed. And I'm shocked.
"I feel more disappointed," Webber added. "It actually hurts."
It should be noted Webber recently signed a contract extension worth $122.7 million for seven seasons. What's more, the newspaper reported that fans cheered loudly for Webber during the Kings' 100-92 victory over the Washington Wizards on Sunday.
However, citing unnamed sources, the newspaper reported Webber is considering talking to team owners Gavin and Joe Maloof, or team president Geoff Petrie this summer.
What This Means...
For Kings fans
Sorry to break this to you, C-Webb, but while you may have helped the Kings become perennial contenders, you haven't helped them break through the Lakers' and Spurs' stranglehold on the NBA title. So maybe your demanding a trade could be just the shake-up this team needs to get over the top.
Webber was reportedly booed on March 9 as he missed 19 of 21 shots and again on March 21, when he missed 14 of 18 field goal attempts.
Those close to the Kings forward say he might ask for a trade if fans don't stop jeering him at games.
By Scott Howard-Cooper -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PST Sunday, March 28, 2004
Chris Webber, while publicly downplaying the impact of being booed by Kings fans, is privately so hurt by the response, it could push the power forward to ask for a trade after the season if the negative reactions continue.
Webber will not comment on the potential implications of the harsh treatment he received twice in the six home games since he returned from a serious knee injury and an NBA package suspension, saying he wants to avoid distractions and stay focused on the final push of the regular season, then the playoffs. It's known, however, that the team co-captain and five-time All-Star is bothered more than he's letting on, to the point of uncertainty about his future in Sacramento.
Webber has already hinted that the early feedback is also creating a chasm on his side, telling a group of reporters after the latest incident that "it definitely changes my focus, my outlook." It was left at that.
Pressed later, Webber wouldn't expand on his comment. He did acknowledge, when asked about the responses to his occasional early struggles, that "I'm very disappointed. And I'm shocked."
Because he feels betrayed by the same fans that once strongly backed him?
"I feel more disappointed," Webber said. "It actually hurts. It's more than betrayed."
It's also deeper. People close to Webber said he has already vented to some friends and family members, complete with the bottom line that he has no desire to play the rest of his career against the backdrop of an ever-shifting love-hate Arco Arena association. That would become too draining and a great distraction.
So far, there have been no conversations with management about Webber's future, sources have confirmed, and it wouldn't matter anyway. The trade deadline passed Feb. 19.
But people close to Webber caution he could be pushed away, or at least moved to ask for a trade, if the relationship with fans remains in the same state of tension that has developed this month. The option is prominent enough, insiders note, that Webber has already considered addressing the issue with Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof or president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie in the summer.
What happens from there is impossible to gauge, it being months away from happening and maybe not at all, and even then depending on how the playoffs finish and the health of Webber's left knee. Also, the biggest unknown is what will happen the rest of the season between Webber and the same fans who once serenaded him at a home game to rejoin the Kings as a free agent and then packed a downtown plaza to celebrate with him when he did sign.
Straining the union are the expectations of a contract worth $122.7 million over seven seasons, a series of Webber injuries and playoff letdowns, and the league's eight-game suspension in February for violating the anti-drug policy and pleading guilty to one count of criminal contempt of court. When Webber finally returned to action March 2, after missing the first 58 games, it was to overwhelming cheers at Arco, and he responded with three impressive outings.
The next home game, March 9, Webber missed 19 of 21 shots and was booed. He entered the March 21 Houston game averaging 18.7 points, nine rebounds and 4.5 assists, solid numbers for anyone and very encouraging for a player coming off a serious knee injury. But that night, he was booed again while making just 4 of 18 attempts.
Webber could have handled a negative response in the first game, if fans had voiced their displeasure at his off-court decisions that led to the suspension. It never came.
He could have dealt with the pressure and expectations - he has done that since high school and even stared down one legendary mistake, when Webber called a timeout Michigan didn't have in the NCAA championship game, by naming his charitable group the Timeout foundation.
What hit Webber was fans turning on him so quickly while coming back from a major injury, not to mention while playing well on the whole. In the three appearances before the March 9 debacle against Golden State, he had averaged 24 points and nine rebounds and shot 50.9 percent. Two days before facing the Rockets, he contributed 24 points, 16 rebounds and eight assists as the Kings beat the Eastern Conference-leading Indiana Pacers on the road.
In all, Webber is at 18.1 points, 9.2 rebounds and 4.7 assists per game while down to 41.3 percent shooting from the field. That accuracy rating is the only statistic taking a major hit during Webber's search to regain his timing, but he's also taking the same shots that had resulted in his being named All-NBA (first-, second-or third-team) five straight times. His defense is a much bigger problem, with Webber clearly not fluid moving on the left leg, but opponents were running layup lines on the Kings long before he returned.
The specter of his uncertain future comes, curiously, at the very time Webber has never felt more part of Sacramento. He's planning an addition to his Granite Bay home, feels a special bond with a close locker room, and is considering switching his official residence from Michigan, his home state, to California. He even talks about living here, at least part time, after retiring, from whatever team with which he finishes his career.
Even Keith Van Horn points out what a puss Webber is. :lol:
CreatureX
03-29-04, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by db27
Webber = CRYBABY WHINER
The news stories posted above seem to support this...
devilshalo
03-29-04, 08:54 PM
Maybe Webber needs a time-out. Oh wait! :p
Blake
03-29-04, 09:00 PM
I was gonna post this earlier today - they talked about it on Around the Horn and Plaschke made a great point. The fans are all worried about the Lakers now and they're just taking it out on Webber and Webber's just being a baby about it. Of course, 3 out of 4 of the journalists thought Webber was in the right because he single-handedly turned the Kings around and now they're a "premiere" team.
Aphex Twin
03-29-04, 09:02 PM
I can't see anyone really wanting Webber's salary besides the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls or Dallas Mavericks. For the next 4 years, he'll be owed: $17,531,250 $19,125,000 $20,718,750 $22,312,500
He's a virtual untradable unless the Kings get a lot of junky contracts in return.
And...why the hell does Doug Christie get $7 and $8 million the next 2 years??
Blake
03-29-04, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
And...why the hell does Doug Christie get $7 and $8 million the next 2 years?? [Insert purse joke here]
Aphex Twin
03-29-04, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Blake
[Insert purse joke here]
Doug and Jackie Christie was walking down the street and saw a lady to which they had previously sold a purse made out of his penis skin. Doug looked down at the ground while Jackie asked her, "How do you like your new purse?"
She replied, "I love it! When I rub it, it becomes a suitcase!"
Aphex Twin
04-01-04, 03:16 PM
The Kings go for their 4th lost in 5 games today. Let's hope they get it! They could be 3rd or 4th in the Western Conference in a couple of days and is only 4 games ahead of Memphis for the 5th spot.
DarkElf
04-01-04, 03:28 PM
So.
The Lakers' fans started a thread for the Sacramento Kings so that the Kings fans would have a place to post without crapping all over the Lakers thread.
But in fact, the Lakers fans are crapping all over the Kings thread. :lol:
You guys get no sympathy from me. :)
MJKTool
04-01-04, 04:15 PM
Is this Webber story for real or is it a joke? Damn I hate this day, never know what the hell is real or not. If it is real....wow. Webber is even a bigger girl than I thought.
Josh H
04-01-04, 04:41 PM
The story has been around for a few days, it's not an April Fools joke.
As posted above, it was on PTI a couple days ago and other shows.
Webber is being a wuss, but the fans are wrong to boo him. He's coming of a major knee operation and isn't 100%. It will take him some time to get back into the swing of things. And the kings have to have him playing like his old self if they want to seriously challenge the Lakers or Spurs in the playoffs.
devilshalo
04-01-04, 05:10 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/4-0329gallery01.jpg
It ain't a joke?!
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/111-0312kings2.jpg
Stop booing me or I'm gonna cry!
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/851-bigdoug.jpg
Ow Jon. I'm telling my wife!
MJKTool
04-01-04, 05:17 PM
:lol: bwahaha devilshalo :up:
Blake
04-01-04, 05:22 PM
Heard on ESPN Radio that Miller will once again be sitting out tonight because of elbow problems. Go Mavericks! :)
Blake
04-01-04, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by DarkElf
The Lakers' fans started a thread for the Sacramento Kings so that the Kings fans would have a place to post without crapping all over the Lakers thread.
But in fact, the Lakers fans are crapping all over the Kings thread. :lol:
rotfl What's wrong with this? We're seriously discussing the Kings - and their unraveling since we were sick of doing it in the Lakers thread...just no reaper here to back them up :(
Aphex Twin
04-01-04, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by DarkElf
So.
The Lakers' fans started a thread for the Sacramento Kings so that the Kings fans would have a place to post without crapping all over the Lakers thread.
But in fact, the Lakers fans are crapping all over the Kings thread. :lol:
You guys get no sympathy from me. :)
We didn't mind that they were "crapping" on the Lakers. It was the fact that they had some strictly Kings topics in a Lakers thread. It was off-topic.
DarkElf
04-01-04, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Blake
rotfl What's wrong with this? We're seriously discussing the Kings - and their unraveling since we were sick of doing it in the Lakers thread...just no reaper here to back them up :(
Nothing wrong with it! It's all good. This is the sports forum, and trash talking and bad mouthin' your opponents is half the fun. :D
Just no one should complain about the Laker haters infiltrating their thread. :) But Aphex has assured me that's not the case, so :up:
indy2029
04-01-04, 09:19 PM
Ugh.... Im no Sac fan, but they look horrible at the half against Dallas.
Is it Webber? Najera is blocking him and playing good D, while scoring too.
Sac fans shouldn't boo him. He's been their heart for the last 4 years. They would be crushed in the playoffs w/o a HEALTHY C Webb. But at the same time, Webber should let the other Kings have a greater contribution since he is not nearly 100%.
Either way, Sac does not look good, and they NEED homecourt in the playoffs to beat the good teams.
Also..... Dallas is looking pretty good as of late. Either way, my Lakers are gonna be pretty hard to beat.
Kaiser Soze
04-01-04, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by db27
I wish Peja and Brad Miller were on other teams, they are the only likeable characters on that squad. Everyone else really annoys me.
Bibby = mini me lookalike whiner
Christy = arm waiving nutcase
Webber = CRYBABY WHINER (edited cuz das is right ;) )
Divac = whiner/flop-master
furthermore, to clarify I don't hate these guys cuz I'm a laker fan, if I was a Kings fan I would also hate them and there antics.
for example, as a laker fan, and can say with a big grin that I can't stand Rick Fox!
Hmmmm....would you consider Devan George/Derek Fisher whiners? I think it was them that I saw crying last year in the locker room when the Spurs beat the Lakers in the western finals. C'mon. It's a game. Tough it up. You didn't see the Kings crying when Horry hit that clutch shot to beat them in L.A. in the playoffs a couple of years ago. They took it like men. Walked off the court, and got ready for the next game.
Now, this is spoken as a true Kings fan for the last 6 years...I agree that Webber is a whiner, and that Vlade is a Flop master. They both really get on my nerves. I wish Webber would just shut the f*** up and play. He is obviously still injured. He came back way too early. (Watching him play against Dallas right now is pretty frustrating). It just sucks for us because Brad Miller is now injured too...so they pretty much have to play him. I'm getting off topic now.
But Bibby? Hello! He has shot down the Lakers time after time. To call him a whiner is totally idiotic. And to call Christie a nutcase for putting his hand in the air is just as stupid. By that logic I could call Shaq an idiot every time he says ShaqFu! Or better yet, how about googily-eyed-grape-ape every time he dunks the ball and knocks three guys down.
I am glad that you understand how much of an ass Rick Fox is. It is players like that in every sport that have always gotten on my nerves. He totally thinks he is all that...and what does he contribute? Um...yeah, nothing. He ususally just falls down a lot and complains. He has a lot of great players surrounding him, and he is coached by one of the greatest of all time.
Just for the record, I always respected Kobe. He is an amazing player, who seems to get better and better every year. However, with this whole trial thing, I think a little differently of him now.
It should be interesting to see how the playoffs work out if the Kings get everyone healthy. I honestly don't give them much of a chance if Webber, Miller, and Jackson aren't healthy.
Kaiser Soze
04-01-04, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by MJKTool
I'm certainly not discrediting them at all. They are a great team, and I always love watching them battle it out with the Lakers. I just dont agree they have been the best the past 3 years thats all :)
Even though I hate to admit it, you're right. The best team is the team that wins it all. Period.
MovieMaster11
04-01-04, 09:41 PM
The Kings can't even throw the ball in without the Mavs stealing it! Kings are getting schooled tonight. Oh yeah go LAkers!
Kaiser Soze
04-01-04, 09:43 PM
Yeah, this is pretty hard to watch. Why the hell did Webber try and spin that bounce pass to Bibby?
damn_skippy
04-01-04, 10:04 PM
Go Queens Go.
db27
04-01-04, 10:42 PM
sweet!
MovieMaster11
04-02-04, 12:00 AM
Very good Game by the Kings. I tip my hat to them.......
April Fools! :lol:
devilshalo
04-02-04, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by MovieMaster11
Very good Game by the Kings. I tip my hat to them.......
April Fools! :lol:
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/725-bigcry.jpg
Real funny, real funny.
damn_skippy
04-02-04, 12:43 AM
So do you guys think the Queens are ready for the post season?
devilshalo
04-02-04, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by damn_skippy
So do you guys think the Queens are ready for the post season?
http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/218-bigkings.jpg
El Scorcho
04-02-04, 01:15 AM
WNBA postseason?
Maybe.
Kaiser Soze
04-02-04, 03:47 AM
Hahahahaha! You Laker fans are so funny. I Have a feeling that you are all Yankee fans too. Blah! Someday the evil NBA empire will fall, and I'll still be sitting here laughing. Just like I was last year when the precious Lakers lost to the Spurs. Hahahaha. Oh no, quick...somebody check on Derek Fisher and the rest of the Lakers...I hope they aren't reading this right now and crying. Hahaha.
Blake
04-02-04, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
Hmmmm....would you consider Devan George/Derek Fisher whiners? I think it was them that I saw crying last year in the locker room when the Spurs beat the Lakers in the western finals. C'mon. It's a game. Tough it up. You didn't see the Kings crying when Horry hit that clutch shot to beat them in L.A. in the playoffs a couple of years ago. They took it like men. Walked off the court, and got ready for the next game.
Hmmm....last game of the season vs. just another game in the playoffs - which would be harder to take? You suck it up and come back ready to play the next day. You lose it all, sure you can shed some man-tears :)
Really - do you think that analogy even makes any sense? Did we even see the locker room after Horry hit the shot? Did we see the locker room after the Lakers beat them in game 7? Puh-leeze.
darkside
04-02-04, 08:38 AM
I use to think Iverson was the most overrated player in the NBA, but Webber is really taking that crown. He needs to be a man and go to the bench for the rest of the year. He is killing them as a starter.
devilshalo
04-02-04, 01:49 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040401/capt.saa10704010417.kings_spurs_saa107.jpg
So there I was, Tim, having a bad night and they started
booing me. I broke down and started to cry. I mean, what
was I supposed to do? You feeling me, dawg?
MJKTool
04-02-04, 02:17 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040401/capt.saa10704010417.kings_spurs_saa107.jpg
Naa, I cant feel ya dawg, I'm not a little wuss.
Kaiser Soze
04-02-04, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Blake
Hmmm....last game of the season vs. just another game in the playoffs - which would be harder to take? You suck it up and come back ready to play the next day. You lose it all, sure you can shed some man-tears :)
Really - do you think that analogy even makes any sense? Did we even see the locker room after Horry hit the shot? Did we see the locker room after the Lakers beat them in game 7? Puh-leeze.
Good point. You're right, we never saw the Kings locker room after that.
However, if this thread is going to be based mostly on whiners, how about Gary Payton? All he does is whine. Hey man, suck it up...you can't blame the refs for you not being able to lead a team to a championship.
Aphex Twin
04-02-04, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
Hahahahaha! You Laker fans are so funny. I Have a feeling that you are all Yankee fans too. Blah! Someday the evil NBA empire will fall, and I'll still be sitting here laughing. Just like I was last year when the precious Lakers lost to the Spurs. Hahahaha. Oh no, quick...somebody check on Derek Fisher and the rest of the Lakers...I hope they aren't reading this right now and crying. Hahaha.
I'm pretty sure this was either posted while iniberated or a trolling messege....but how are the Lakers "evil"?
devilshalo
04-02-04, 04:58 PM
I'd rather lose to the Spurs in a playoff series, than lose to the Mavs. :p
nickdawgy
04-02-04, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by db27
for example, as a laker fan, and can say with a big grin that I can't stand Rick Fox, that is unless he hits a key shot or starts making threes, then he is the best!
Rick Fox owns. He's awesome. He might be one of my favorite Lakers. I don't know why some people have to rip on him. What, because his shot is off after sitting out half a season? I wish he'd shoot more.
Oh and fixed.... :D
Kaiser Soze
04-03-04, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
I'm pretty sure this was either posted while iniberated or a trolling messege....but how are the Lakers "evil"?
The Lakers are evil just like the Yankees are evil. Evil empire? They both always seem to get all the good free agents each year. Granted, the Lakers have to deal with a salary cap, but they still got Malone and Payton this year. The Yankees are the same way. No one can compete. Sheffield, Vasquez, Giambi, and how can we forget A-Rod! Do you see the similarities? I'm sure next year the Lakers will find a way to sign 2 or 3 other top free agents, just like the Yankees.
movielib
04-03-04, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
The Lakers are evil just like the Yankees are evil. Evil empire? They both always seem to get all the good free agents each year. Granted, the Lakers have to deal with a salary cap, but they still got Malone and Payton this year. The Yankees are the same way. No one can compete. Sheffield, Vasquez, Giambi, and how can we forget A-Rod! Do you see the similarities? I'm sure next year the Lakers will find a way to sign 2 or 3 other top free agents, just like the Yankees.
I don't think that's all that true about the Lakers. For years people said their bench was thin (and it was) and they did not get cream of the crop free agents. The only reason they got Malone and Payton was that they took less money to have a better chance at a ring.
If there were no salary cap, I don't think that would benefit the Lakers. I don't think Jerry Buss is anywhere near being the richest owner. I'm also not sure if the Lakers generate the most revenue. They do have the advantage of playing in L.A. where a lot of players would like to live.
devilshalo
04-03-04, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
The Lakers are evil just like the Yankees are evil.
And if Malone and Payton had decided to go to Sacramento for less money, I guess the Kings would be evil, too. :rolleyes:
Blake
04-03-04, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by devilshalo
And if Malone and Payton had decided to go to Sacramento for less money, I guess the Kings would be evil, too. :rolleyes:
Lots of rings = evil. ;) No rings = saints.
devilshalo
04-03-04, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Blake
Lots of rings = evil. ;) No rings = Loosers.
Fixed. :D
Aphex Twin
04-03-04, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
The Lakers are evil just like the Yankees are evil. Evil empire? They both always seem to get all the good free agents each year. Granted, the Lakers have to deal with a salary cap, but they still got Malone and Payton this year. The Yankees are the same way. No one can compete. Sheffield, Vasquez, Giambi, and how can we forget A-Rod! Do you see the similarities? I'm sure next year the Lakers will find a way to sign 2 or 3 other top free agents, just like the Yankees.
Being able to attract free agents makes you evil?
Before this season, who are the biggest free agents the Lakers have been able to obtain besides Shaq?
tofu
04-03-04, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Before this season, who are the biggest free agents the Lakers have been able to obtain besides Shaq?
Didn't they sign Glen Rice a couple of years ago? (or was that a trade)
Blake
04-03-04, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Before this season, who are the biggest free agents the Lakers have been able to obtain besides Shaq? 2002 Free Agent Acquisitions:
A.J. Guyton (from Chicago)
Guy Rucker
Nick Sheppard
Jannero Pargo (rookie)
Jefferson Sobral (rookie)
2003 Free Agent Acquisitions:
Eric Chenowith (from NBDL)
Horace Grant (from Orlando)
Karl Malone (from Utah)
Gary Payton (from Milwaukee)
Stephane Pelle (rookie)
Jamal Sampson (from Milwaukee)
Ime Udoka (from NBDL)
So it looks like just three players that have made any difference have been acquired via free agency over the past two years...evil empire!!!
Blake
04-03-04, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by tofu
Didn't they sign Glen Rice a couple of years ago? (or was that a trade)
Traded to the L.A. Lakers along with B.J. Armstrong and J.R. Reid on 3/10/99 for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell.
Aphex Twin
04-03-04, 05:24 PM
Let's not forget JR Reid and Dennis Rodman! What a coup that was. Kup and Jerry West had to really exploit the NBA rules and loopholes on those masterpiece free agents.
Aphex Twin
04-03-04, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Blake
So it looks like just three players that have made any difference have been acquired via free agency over the past two years...evil empire!!!
Yeah...i met prior to free agents acquired prior to this season. :)
tofu
04-03-04, 05:48 PM
Well, there was also Mitch Richmond and Ron Harper. Geez, LA is becoming the destination for every single old player in the league.
Blake
04-04-04, 03:16 PM
Good game coming down to the wire here. Kings blew out the Rockets in the 3rd quarter and had a 10 point lead going into the 4th, but they're down 3 now with 3:30 to go...
Blake
04-04-04, 03:32 PM
And the Kings finally pull off a win. Tied for first place with the Lakers for now - Lakers/San Antonio starts any minute now.
nickdawgy
04-04-04, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Let's not forget JR Reid and Dennis Rodman! What a coup that was. Kup and Jerry West had to really exploit the NBA rules and loopholes on those masterpiece free agents.
You must be thinking of JR Rider....
devilshalo
04-04-04, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by nickdawgy
You must be thinking of JR Rider....
Maybe, but both were Lakers.
Steveweiser
04-04-04, 09:34 PM
The Kings actually looked inspired in the 3rd quarter today, and Webber actually made a big shot. I hope they build off this win going into the showdowns with Minn and LA next week.
Aphex Twin
04-04-04, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by devilshalo
Maybe, but both were Lakers.
Yes...my bad... I was thinking of Isiah JR Rider...but you are right...both were with the Lakers.
Kaiser Soze
04-05-04, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Being able to attract free agents makes you evil?
Before this season, who are the biggest free agents the Lakers have been able to obtain besides Shaq?
Yeah, I hadn't really taken into account the last few years before Payton and Malone signed with the Lakers.
And I do agree that L.A. is very attractive to a lot of players, because of the weather/night life/etc. So I'm sure that is a very big reason why a lot of guys want to go there. An "Evil Empire" was probably taking it a bit too far. The Yankees and Lakers can't really be compared in those terms. Steinbrenner really is pure evil. I don't think the Lakers ownership really is. Just blew things out of proportion there a little bit.
I'm actually interested to see how the Lakers do in the next few years, now that Jerry West has gone to Memphis and is trying to build a championship team there.
db27
04-15-04, 01:24 AM
Kings face Dallas
Dallas in 7
:D
devilshalo
04-15-04, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by db27
Kings face Dallas
Dallas in 7
:D
:lol: Re-living last year?
El Scorcho
04-15-04, 01:28 AM
Someone *please* find that quote about how reaper said the kings would have to go a certain record and the lakers would have to go a certain record to win the title. :lol:
db27
04-15-04, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by devilshalo
:lol: Re-living last year?
maybe, but I can't remember what happened last year.
either way, the Kings are on the downward spiral and I think Dallas can beat them.
devilshalo
04-15-04, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by db27
maybe, but I can't remember what happened last year.
This should help your memory. :D
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2003/round2_west2.html
Mavs win the second round against the Kings 4 - 3. ;)
Blake
04-15-04, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by reapersaurus
Tell you what -
You guys go ahead and hope to catch the Kings.
I don't think it's gonna happen.
It COULD happen, but I don't think it will.Originally posted by reapersaurus
and are you guys STILL thinking about catching the Kings?
Don't you have to be playing better ball than barely beating the Bulls and Clips to think about making up FIVE games?AND THE GRAND-DADDY OF THEM ALL:Originally posted by reapersaurus
IF the Kings lose on Sunday, AND if the Lakers go 14 and 2 to finish the season, the Kings would have to go 8-8 for the Lakers to win the Pacific, by my calculations.
I don't see that happening.
Especially the way the Lakers are playing.
Even WITH all 4 of the vaunted HoF's.
damn_skippy
04-15-04, 01:45 AM
Reaper come back. It's time to take your medicine.
Originally posted by devilshalo
This should help your memory. :D
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2003/round2_west2.html
Mavs win the second round against the Kings 4 - 3. ;)
well, shit I forgot. In that case maybe Dallas could take 'en in 5 or 6. Cuz the Mavs are much better and the Kings are much worse.
Either way, I'll be damn suprised if they make it passed Dallas.
mgbfan
04-15-04, 03:42 PM
Kings-Mavs. Will anybody play defense? Should be a high-scoring series. It's a coin-flip, as far as I'm concerned. Minnesota must be doing a happy dance after last night. Neither of these soft teams can give them a challenge in the second round.
Spurs-Lakers in round 2 should be fantastic. We'll see how Malone is, but the Spurs have had LA's number a little.
tofu
04-15-04, 04:23 PM
I can't wait for the 150-140 scores.
db27
04-15-04, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by tofu
I can't wait for the 150-140 scores.
it's gonna be insane
MovieMaster11
04-15-04, 07:32 PM
Wheres all the Kings fans in here? Geez you could here a pin drop in this thread. P.S. Go LAker!!!!!!!!!!!Hahahaha
Kaiser Soze
04-16-04, 06:23 PM
Does anyone out there find it very interesting that because of the Kings late season losses, and Kobe's heroics in the Portland game, that now the Kings play the Mavs, and the Lakers play the Rockets. Now Mr. Stern gets two high powered offenses playing, Kings/Mavs. And the NBA can promo the hell out of Yao VS. Shaq. Hmmmm....sounds fixed to me. Hahahaha.
And yes, I am a Kings fan...and I still believe.
Aphex Twin
04-16-04, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
Does anyone out there find it very interesting that because of the Kings late season losses, and Kobe's heroics in the Portland game, that now the Kings play the Mavs, and the Lakers play the Rockets. Now Mr. Stern gets two high powered offenses playing, Kings/Mavs. And the NBA can promo the hell out of Yao VS. Shaq. Hmmmm....sounds fixed to me. Hahahaha.
There's one problem with your theory. The highest ratings would definately be produced by a Kings vs. Lakers series. Given the current seeding, this would only be possible for the WCF and the chances of the Kings getting that far is very low. If the Lakers and Kings went 2-3, they would play in the second round, which would be a cinch to achieve given that they would be playing against the 6-7 teams.
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