Same Shit..................New thread

Mmm...fresh thread smell. Oh wait, that's just skippy.

But anyhoo, on ESPNEWS, they said Kobe would start tomorrow...let's hope he's not too tired from sitting in a courtroom with his accuser all day.

Originally posted by nickdawgy
This time, the Kings are the ones that played the night before. I hope Kobe plays, but I am still thinking the Lakers can not only beat the Kings tomorrow, but do it with style, and win comfortably. For this, and many other reasons, I agree with you here, nick.

WebBer has completely destroyed the best offense ever. ;)

Originally posted by reapersaurus
For this, and many other reasons, I agree with you here, nick.



-eek- -eek-

Neither team is playing all that well lately but the Lakers have been winning a little more (thanks, refs ;) ).

So how about tonight? Predictions?

Mine: Lakers 110, Kings 104.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
For this, and many other reasons, I agree with you here, nick.

WebBer has completely destroyed the best offense ever. ;)

Hmmm wasnt it you who laughed at me when I said the Kings were better without Webber.......

Well there have been many of us who think the Kings are better without Webber, but he put the ;), so who knows what he really means :)

Lakers win, GREAT! Lakers lose, ain't playoff time yet, keep arsenal for the playoffs. Either way i expect a good game. I'm gonna boo the hell out of the Queens. I hate them!

Originally posted by MJKTool
Hmmm wasnt it you who laughed at me when I said the Kings were better without Webber....... No, I've never (meant to) trumpet Webber's abilities, or his contributions to the team.

(I did one time point out that he shouldn't necessarily be known for choking in big games anymore, since he has played well the last 2 years in them.)

I think he's tremendously overrated (mainly due to his stats that don't tell the real story), and the team regularly plays worse when he's on the roster.

I don't believe it's a coincidence that the Kings play hard and well, have good energy and play smart when he's out.
There's something about his complacency, stupidity, and blase' attitude that brings out the laziness and bad playmaking in the Kings as a whole.

I think the Kings would have had a chance to win the championship this year without Webber, if they continued playing like they did and didn't have injuries in the playoffs this time.

WITH Webber...... they won't win unless he starts playing MUCH better. And since most everyone who's had that surgery has taken well over a year to get back to form (if ever), and with Webber being notoriously slow in healing.... well, make of those observations/opinions what you will.

BTW: The Kings are SACRIFICING their position in the playoff seedings by letting Webber continue to play when he's stinking up the joint. They are gambling that Webber will get better, and contribute enough in the playoffs (in the long run) to make up for him making the team worse (in the short run).

It's a ballsy strategy, and very Phil Jackson-like (give up the regular season for postseason chances). I'm sure Lakers fans would recognize it, and perhaps appreciate it.

I think one of the main problems with the Kings and Webber is that Webber being *on* the court takes one excellent big man passer (either Miller or Divac) off of the court. Miller and Divac on the same court was a great combination.

I don't think Webber has ever had a positive impact for the Kings when they've played the Lakers. Now that he's still not 100%, L.A. should be able to neutralize him. It's Bibby and Jackson that usually hurt the Lakers...except in the playoffs when they miss wide open jumpers at the buzzer. :D

Yeah that SOB Bibby wories me alot more than the Choker. He always seems to hit every goddamn shot when he plays against the Lakers.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I think one of the main problems with the Kings and Webber is that Webber being *on* the court takes one excellent big man passer (either Miller or Divac) off of the court. Miller and Divac on the same court was a great combination.

Also, Chrissy might call time-out during the end of the game when the Kings are out of time-outs. :(

BatBoy owns you!

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I think one of the main problems with the Kings and Webber is that Webber being *on* the court takes one excellent big man passer (either Miller or Divac) off of the court. Miller and Divac on the same court was a great combination.
Webber's been known as one of the best passing big men in the game, so I don't understand this. Anyway, I think the Kings do need a win to boost morale. Both teams have basically all of their players (except Jackson for the Kings), and the Kings have been struggling lately. A win isn't necessary, but it would help.

So is it for sure Kobe isn't playing tonight against the kings? Go Lakers!

Kobe's starting.

looking forward to actually seeing this game as it is airing on espn tonight! yeah!

guess I'll be up late!

I also picked up the McFarlane NBA series 6 Laker figures today! Payton and Malone! Saw them at EB and couldn't resist, now I've got 4 of the starting 5, however I don't anticipate a Rick Fox or Devean George figure so this is all the Laker love I'll get!

Speaking of ESPN it looks like the game will be on ESPN-HD for those who have it, as well as the game on Friday against the TWolves. Hell yeah!! :D

I'm more worried about Peja then Bibby.

But you've got that defensive stopper, Fox, to drape all over Peja, right? ;)

I'm hoping that the Lakers haven't found a defense against the pick-n-roll that killed them all game last game. :D

And for the record - the Lakers need this victory MUCH more than the Kings do.
If the Kings win, it's OVER for the Lakers chances to catch up to them.
If the Lakers win, it's just one (or 2) closer to the Kings (which can be significantly nullified if the Kings win in Sacto).

Fox was good at defending Peja....2 years ago. Lets hope he can defend better than that last game, because he got burned so bad.

Lets get this shit started!

Kobe's looking great early... iffy call on Malone :(

We got the call back :)

Looking good so far with the exception of Malone having 2 fouls. Slava knocking down his shots should boost his confidence.

they better not piss away this lead.

I just turned the game on and I've seen two over-the-back non-calls on LA. :)

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
they better not piss away this lead.

Wait till the 4th.. the Lakers have been poor in letting opponents outscore them in the 4th quarter.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I just turned the game on and I've seen two over-the-back non-calls on LA. :)

Just now turned it on? You're becoming more like a bandwagon Laker fan everyday. ;)

21 point lead in the first!

:lol: Not like the no-calls matter tonight. Sacramento couldn't look much flatter.

And yeah, i just turned it on. Chappelle's show took priority!

I think the Queens will definitely make this into a game... but can't help but love the Lakers start :)

And here I thought you were a laker hater.

:lol:

Has anyone in NBA history been more dull than kareem abdul-jabaar?

Guys - this game's over.
It was over at 2 minutes into the game, when the Kings started suffering from the same crap-shooting-itis that has plagued them recently.
The LAkers are giving them the jump shot, daring them to beat them with it, and the way they're playing right now, there is no way they can just suddenly start shooting like they did earlier in the season.

13 straight misses in a row tends to put you in a hole that they can't play out of (considering how bad the Kings have been playing, and how well the Lakers are playing tonight).

We'll see how the next game goes in Sacto. Maybe by then Webber's sickness will have gotten out of the whole team's system.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Guys - this game's over.


What are you, nickdawgy? :)

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Chappelle's show took priority!
At least you know your priorities. ;)

No, no. Nickdawgy gives up during pre-game warmups.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
:lol:

Has anyone in NBA history been more dull than kareem abdul-jabaar?
I'll take that dull guy who won 6 rings and is the highest scorer in NBA history.

Not to mention he's Roger Murdock.

:lol: Queens tonight. THEY SUCK!!

Originally posted by fumanstan
What are you, nickdawgy? :) No, nickdawgy gives up when there still is a STRONG likelihood of winning.
Plus, he does it just to help him out psychologically.

I'm simply stating the obvious - this game is OVER.
There is NO WAY that the Kings can catch up, when they are playing this bad and the Lakers are playing this good.

Tell you guys what - as soon as the Kings tie the game up, I'll eat my words with a public admission of stupidity.

But until that happens, my observations and predictions are spot-on, as I see it.

dude its a 17 point lead. you must not watch alot of nba. anything can happen.

T'Wolves lose and are now tied with the Lakers in the loss column.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
No, nickdawgy gives up when there still is a STRONG likelihood of winning.
Plus, he does it just to help him out psychologically.

I'm simply stating the obvious - this game is OVER.
There is NO WAY that the Kings can catch up, when they are playing this bad and the Lakers are playing this good.

Tell you guys what - as soon as the Kings tie the game up, I'll eat my words with a public admission of stupidity.

But until that happens, my observations and predictions are spot-on, as I see it.

What are you kidding me? Weren't you getting on other Laker fans here about throwing in the towel against the Magic? The Lakers played just as bad, and that was as late as the start of the 4th quarter.

In all fairness, i hate when any fan is quick to say their team will lose this quickly, regardless if their a Laker fan or not. But still...

luved the game thus far...but fox was annoying me with his errand passes and his dribbling turning it over on the final play. But good Defense and GREAT HALF BY THE LAKERS!!!!

GREAT first half for the Lakers...but we all know how they've been playing down the stretch. Hopefully they'll realize the importance of this game and not let the Kings even get close to being back in the game.

(Scorcho - does that BS call at the end of the half make up for the "non-calls" rotfl that you've seen? That was a bordering flagrant for Webber - dunno how Peja ended up with it)

LOL

The Queens are playing like a bunch of bitches.

Originally posted by MJKTool
dude its a 17 point lead. you must not watch alot of nba. anything can happen.

Indeed, and considering the lakers past games, we have given up that much to far lesser teams. Hopefully the lakers can carry this steam for the next 2 quarters.

Originally posted by damn_skippy
LOL

The Queens are playing like a bunch of bitches. Preach it Skippy! :D

Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Indeed, and considering the lakers past games, we have given up that much to far lesser teams. Hopefully the lakers can carry this steam for the next 2 quarters.

true dat!

Originally posted by Blake


(Scorcho - does that BS call at the end of the half make up for the "non-calls" rotfl that you've seen? That was a bordering flagrant for Webber - dunno how Peja ended up with it)

Didn't see it, I had American Idol flipped on for the last half hour. I just made a comment that as soon as I turned on the game, I saw two bad over-the-back no calls -- nothing more, nothing less.

I also said that it doesn't matter here since Sacramento is playing like they're the Atlanta Hawks.

Originally posted by El Scorcho

I also said that it doesn't matter here since Sacramento is playing like they're the Atlanta Hawks.

Or the Lakers playing the Atlanta Hawks. :)

Kobe's got a fire under him right now, as if he's got some white girl waiting for him in his locker room. ;)

Webber is a BITCH! haha

Originally posted by MJKTool
Webber is a BITCH! haha

yup!

Ack! Don't let Webber get tossed!

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Kobe's got a fire under him right now, as if he's got some white girl waiting for him in his locker room. ;)
My take on it is that he must have had a good day in court.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Kobe's got a fire under him right now, as if he's got some white girl waiting for him in his locker room. ;)

I hate to laugh but rotfl!

Originally posted by The Cow
Ack! Don't let Webber get tossed!

I know the Queens might have a chance!! :eek:

2 techs, one on c webb and the other on coach ahole

where's reaper? :lol:

Kicking the Queens butt is cool !

Kobe's just trying to get this game to garbage time so Jackson will take him out and he can get to that white girl sooner. ;)

Webber got slapped like the bitch he is rotfl

Webber:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jsavko/cry.jpg

This game has a fist fight coming, I just know it!

scorch, ya might be right on that!

If the Kings can get this game down to 13-14 points at the end of the quarter, this thing is far from over.

17

Damn do I hate Christy and his arm waiving antics, seems he does it now even when not involved in plays at all!!!!

If I saw him on the street I'd cut that damn arm off!!!!

22pts!

Well that worked well for them. ;)

Somehow, I'm still not comfortable with a 22 point lead going into the fourth. Not because we're playing the Kings, mostly because we're the Lakers :D

I must say I believe Kobe is guilty of raping........















Raping the Kings that is...

that was dumb

wow Shaq showing some real effort right there!

Originally posted by El Scorcho
that was dumb
Your Kobe stuff isn't? :p

Hey, I only say the Kobe stuff to fulfill my duty here. I never claimed to be entertaining or original. ;)

Btw, best line of the night just uttered on TV:

"Medvedenko is all over every loose ball when he's on the floor"

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Kobe's got a fire under him right now, as if he's got some white girl waiting for him in his locker room. ;)
Originally posted by El Scorcho
Kobe's just trying to get this game to garbage time so Jackson will take him out and he can get to that white girl sooner.

movielib, come on this is comedy genius!!!

Originally posted by MJKTool
movielib, come on this is comedy genius!!!
Maybe if I hadn't been hearing it since July.

Screw this! I want a 30-40 pt blowout. The refs have given the Queens some cheap calls in their favor.

This is the longest damn game of the year. Did they start the second half yesterday morning?

Has it been since July? Wow, does time fly!

Just think of how it's going to be when he's in prison. I'll need my own thread! :D

Lakers 2½ games out, 2 in the loss column. "Effectively" 3 games out.

Lakers clinch playoff spot.

no, not the faith in god crap kobe! you did this not him!!!!

Oh god, Kobe got the "everything through God" disease that has swept pro sports the last 20 years.

Good win tonight!

I'm right here.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Oh god, Kobe got the "everything through God" disease that has swept pro sports the last 20 years.

happens to anyone in trouble with the law! or to anyone that wins a major award!

Geez...Kobe did the God thing? Damn, that just ruins a great win for me.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Oh god, Kobe got the "everything through God" disease that has swept pro sports the last 20 years.
Yeah, I'm with you on how sickening that is.

Apparently God makes you cheat on your wife too. ;)

"How do U Feel about your chances now Queens fans?"

The Lakers were unbeatable tonight.

When Slava Medvedenko is money from 19 feet on in, you know you're in for a tough night.

There is no way in hell that anyone can beat the Lakers if they play like that in the playoffs. That's a guarantee. Every single Laker was on fire. Kobe was inhuman. Nobody in the NBA (with the possible exception of Peja) can be beyond the 3 pt arc, with a guy guarding him, and still make the shot.

What doesn't make sense is .... why does it take the Kings to have the Lakers play like this? I mean, if the Lakers could play like this every night, they would never have problems.

Wow, what a game. Looks like the NBA's greatest offense ever* kind of hit a bump in the road.....

Lakers kicked ass :up:










*= according to experts

funny.....and true

All I have to say is:
http://www.mpcfaculty.net/ron_rinehart/skunk.gif
http://www.firestone-tire-recall.com/pics/tirephotos/9-20-tire2.jpg
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/rockey/luna/Recipe/Recipe1/Main/No01/saw.jpg

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Apparently God makes you cheat on your wife too. ;) God, that's hilarious. rotfl

Maybe God helped you come up with that joke, to give Kobe some perspective. :up:

nick - I already told you - the league's best offense didn't hit a bump in the road... it hit a Webber.

Well, there's not TOO much a difference, I'll grant ya. ;)

skunk tire saw

good one!

rotfl

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Apparently God makes you cheat on your wife too. ;)
I'm not a God defender but there was no indication he had God back then. I think his lawyers must have told him it's good for the jury pool.

You can only bust out the God card when you're stuck in some deep shit, I guess. ;)

You know, just once I'd love to hear this exchange in the losing team's locker room:

Jim Gray: "So what do you think went wrong tonight?"
Athlete: "Don't look at me. It's all God's fault. I didn't have a damn thing to do with it."

Listen up, cause here's some more whacked predictions that you guys can book:

It's interesting to me that the Lakers decided to show their hand tonight, finally.

I'd imagine that every playoff team recorded this game, and will be watching it VERY closely, because this is exactly the kind of stuff they'll be seeing in the playoffs.

I thought (and feared) that the Lakers were "playing down" so as not to be outrageously successful. Outrageous success pisses off people, and really brings into question the level playing field that supposedly exists in the NBA. The injuries just made it so they didn't have to worry about that - yet. If they'd been healthy all year, I really don't think they'd have bothered with trying for the best record ever.... PJ's all about the championships.

And with this team (playing like they did tonight), it's gonna be a walk in the park.
Mark my words - I predict that MANY people will be complaining in June (or even earlier) about how unfair it was for PAyton and Malone to sign with the Lakers for chump change, just to give em a championship.
It set a VERY ugly precedent, and it's just gonna take 2 1/2 months for that to be revealed to everyone. [/book]

Originally posted by El Scorcho
skunk tire saw

2 out of three ain't bad. The 2nd one would be a blowout. It's even a Firestone. :p

I thought it was a wheel falling off.
It was very appropriate for the Kings' season.

66.7%

passing grade!

I'd like to thank God for making this possible.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
You can only bust out the God card when you're stuck in some deep shit, I guess. ;)

You know, just once I'd love to hear this exchange in the losing team's locker room:

Jim Gray: "So what do you think went wrong tonight?"
Athlete: "Don't look at me. It's all God's fault. I didn't have a damn thing to do with it."

Sounds like it should be a Leon commercial. True.

Anyway, i still don't see how Payton/Malone signing is unfair, and i doubt it'll set a precedent. Atheletes have had the chance to do this for years in all sports, and rarely do players ever put their money where their mouth is.

"Thank you jesus"

Great game.

Originally posted by fumanstan
What are you, nickdawgy? :)

:(

Originally posted by El Scorcho
No, no. Nickdawgy gives up during pre-game warmups.

Can I get you a beer, Scorcho?

EDIT: oh and for the record, I give up when the game is added to the schedule. Thank you, and good night ;)

Hey did anyone see Webber slap the backboard after his dunk in the 2nd quarter? What a little bitch. That's a T, isn't it?

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Listen up, cause here's some more whacked predictions that you guys can book:

It's interesting to me that the Lakers decided to show their hand tonight, finally.

I'd imagine that every playoff team recorded this game, and will be watching it VERY closely, because this is exactly the kind of stuff they'll be seeing in the playoffs.

I thought (and feared) that the Lakers were "playing down" so as not to be outrageously successful. Outrageous success pisses off people, and really brings into question the level playing field that supposedly exists in the NBA. The injuries just made it so they didn't have to worry about that - yet. If they'd been healthy all year, I really don't think they'd have bothered with trying for the best record ever.... PJ's all about the championships.

And with this team (playing like they did tonight), it's gonna be a walk in the park.
Mark my words - I predict that MANY people will be complaining in June (or even earlier) about how unfair it was for PAyton and Malone to sign with the Lakers for chump change, just to give em a championship.
It set a VERY ugly precedent, and it's just gonna take 2 1/2 months for that to be revealed to everyone. [/book]

Is your name Chris Webber by any chance?

:lol:

This was the kings worst loss of the season, I love it !!

Well....

I didn't catch any patented Floppy Diva flops. :(

but...

-Webber looked totally lost...didn't know what he was doing...looked like he wasn't even in the game....also...he's a bitch
-Christie had no clue on how to guard Kobe. It seemed like he was looking at the floor for some reason for 80% of the game. Searching for inspiriation from the ground?
-Bibby was being annoying as hell. Why does he dress on the court like an oversized toddler? And can't one of his teammates just tell him to shut the hell up?
-Vlade gave the term "stiff" a new definition. He didn't seem like he wanted to move at all tonight. Did he even get off the ground at all? He didn't even have enough energy to flop!
-Miller gave up on a lot of balls. He wasn't very effective at all on either side of the court. I think for tonight's game, Pollard would have done a better job.
-Can't fault Stojakovic though. That guy's a good guy. I like him. He looks professional and didn't let the game get to his head like the other Kings' players. I feel sorry for him that Webber is taking all the offense away from him.
-BJax wasn't missed much since Peeler went 4-for-4 from the field and 3-for-3 from the 3-point line.
-What the hell happened to the King's deep bench from the last couple of years?

I hope Slava has some more good games like tonight's left in him. I don't really have any hope for him, but wish he would be more consistent. What the heck did Phillip say to him before the game? Also....lots of good hussle plays by the Lakers that were big sparks for them. Fox got on the floor, Fisher got on the floor, Slava got on the floor. Lakers shoot 19 of 24 from the FT line. Awesome

Let's continue this roll on Friday. :)

Originally posted by fumanstan
Anyway, i still don't see how Payton/Malone signing is unfair, and i doubt it'll set a precedent. Atheletes have had the chance to do this for years in all sports, and rarely do players ever put their money where their mouth is. It doesn't matter if you see how it's unfair: you're a fan of the team it benefits.

Every other team, and every fan who is not a fan of the Lakers (i.e. the majority of the NBA fans) will not see it as fair when they waltz to a championship solely because 2 Hall of Fame players hitched their trailer to the Lakers in a known example of collusion (i.e. Malone and Payton went together, partly because/if the other went) and desperate ploy to get a ring (something that has avoided each of them their whole careers).

And it hasn't happened before, because (deleted my feelings about it).

You will hear much more about this, I guarantee.
And there was already a 'joke' article sent around, that had MacGrady and 4 other stars making a pact to join some team and get a championship together once their contracts are up.
It's really not too far out of the realm of possibility now.

Originally posted by Aphex Twin

-Christie had no clue on how to guard Kobe. It seemed like he was looking at the floor for some reason for 80% of the game. Searching for inspiriation from the ground?

Maybe he was trying to avoid eye contact with his wife. :lol:

EDIT: I also think Peja is a good guy. Great player, probably the best jump shot in the NBA.

Oh and Bibby can suck a fat one. He was taunting the Lakers last time they played, well I loved seeing Payton light him up.

:up:

Hmmm....Lakers sleepwalk through most of regular season, then turn it up when it counts. Sounds familiar...
http://www.energyfcu.org/images/light%20switch.gif = http://www.juneauempire.com/images/102802/nbatrophies.jpg

You can sum up tonight's "effort" in 1 word: disgusting. *insert Steven Van Zandt picture here*

ON = BLACK GUY MAKING WHITE BOYS HOLD HIS BLING BLING

I'm just not getting it tonight

Just FYI:
Divac hasn't flopped hardly at all this season.
He may be known for it historically, but it's not part of his game much anymore at all.

And what happened to the Kings bench?
Simple - $$$$$$
In an effort to get a championship, the Kings mortgaged their future and depth on big salaries to the guys that had played well for them: Webber, Christie, and Bibby.
Combined with Divac's huge salary, it made it so the Maloofs couldn't afford to keep Keon Clark (injured now, but that's beside the point), or Jim Jackson. They had to trade Scot Pollard and Hedo Turkoglu to get Divac's successor, Brad Miller.

This leaves them with not much depth.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
ON = BLACK GUY MAKING WHITE BOYS HOLD HIS BLING BLING

I'm just not getting it tonight

You must suck at charades.

Originally posted by SleepyW
Hmmm....Lakers sleepwalk throug most of regular season, then turn it up when it counts. Sounds familiar...


http://rhein-zeitung.de/on/03/06/16/sport/news/nba.jpg

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Just FYI:
Divac hasn't flopped hardly at all this season.
He may be known for it historically, but it's not part of his game much anymore at all.

Well...yeah...that's why I mentioned that he didn't have enough energy to flop. :)

As for the bench. I knew that. It was just a rhetorical question since the Kings once had the strongest bench in the league and traded it all away for Miller who they owe $7,875,000; $8,750,000; $9,625,000; $10,500,000; $11,375,000; and $12,250,000 over the next 6 years.

They owe Christie $7,150,000 and $7,800,000 for the next 2 years.

They owe Bibby $10,500,000; $11,500,000; $12,500,000; $13,500,000; and $14,500,000 for the next 5 years.

But the most painful of all...the untradable-in-today's market Webber they owe:
$17,531,250; $19,125,000; $20,718,750; and $22,312,500 for the next 4 years! He makes Shaq, Duncan, and Garnett money and isn't half as dominate as any of them.

Vlade will walk after this season and Bobby Jackson can walk after next season if the Kings don't resign him.

Amazing how Adelman delegates an all-star to his bench in favor of Divac, who's about 84 years old now.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Amazing how Adelman delegates an all-star to his bench in favor of Divac, who's about 84 years old now.

Yeah, someone on ESPN was saying how they might start Miller now, but it is so late in the season to be making starting line-up adjustments. What's worse is that Adelman has not found a way to mix everyone into the offense, particularly Webber.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
Amazing how Adelman delegates an all-star to his bench in favor of Divac, who's about 84 years old now.
It amazes me how he still takes people to the hole. I crack up laughing every time I see him do his slow circular drive across the lane and bank in a scoop shot. Pure comedy.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
It doesn't matter if you see how it's unfair: you're a fan of the team it benefits.

Every other team, and every fan who is not a fan of the Lakers (i.e. the majority of the NBA fans) will not see it as fair when they waltz to a championship solely because 2 Hall of Fame players hitched their trailer to the Lakers in a known example of collusion (i.e. Malone and Payton went together, partly because/if the other went) and desperate ploy to get a ring (something that has avoided each of them their whole careers).

And it hasn't happened before, because (deleted my feelings about it).

You will hear much more about this, I guarantee.
And there was already a 'joke' article sent around, that had MacGrady and 4 other stars making a pact to join some team and get a championship together once their contracts are up.
It's really not too far out of the realm of possibility now.

Well i'm curious to know your feelings on it, because i still don't believe the likelihood of it happening often in any sport (with the NBA the most likely, since individuals affect the game much more). The majority of players will always take the big payday when they can, particularly the young stars today. I don't think Payton/Malone will set a precedent for it occuring, sans maybe a few occasions where we see an aging star look for a ring. Keep in mind, Barkley joining Hakeem and Clyde on the Rockets didn't pan out... although all 3 were in the twilight of their careers. Funny, that both Barkley, Payton, and Malone were all denied championships because of Jordan though :)

Anyway, while i'm a bit more supportive because i'm a Laker fan, i've always been a fan of team loyalty. I would have loved to see Payton retire a Sonic, Malone a Jazz... and hope that Reggie Miller retires a Pacer. But when you've done everything else in the NBA except win the big one, its probably especially hard to leave the game empty handed. And as much as it may cheapen the win, i still think it shows character that at this point in their careers, there are more important things then money.

Dude, they have more money than God.

Count up how many millions they've made in their career of VERY high-paid seasons, and then ask yourself:

"Hmmm... would I rather have 3% more to my career salary, or would I like a ring to cap my Hall of Fame career (coincidentally everyone has always pointed out how that's the one thing lacking in my career)."

It doesn't show character at ALL that they'd choose an almost-sure Ring over some chump change (for them).

To me, it shows a desperation that weakens their career, not strengthens it. What would show character is if they went to a team and built them into a contender with their leadership, experience, and skills.

Payton and Malone are money-grabbing whores, it's as simple as that - it's just that they're not being paid in cash, but in the all-important currency of a championship ring.

The Lakers played tonight like they did in most of the 18 or so wins they had before Malone went down with injury. So the Lakers playing great tonight wasn't something totally new. Teams already had a chance to see how the Lakers could play when they were all hot. During the 5 home stand early in the season (late November) they were blowing out teams by an average of about 20 points, including Memphis, Indiana, and San Antonio. Hopefully tonight was the start of the Lakers blowing out teams consistently like they did at the beginning of the season.

And I don't buy into the whole thing about the Lakers playing down purposely to deceive the rest of the league, because if they could play like tonight any time they wanted, then they should have won the 3rd meeting against the T'Wolves in Minnesota. That was a big game because with the win, the T'Wolves now hold the tie breaker against the Lakers should their records be tied at the end of the season. Regardless of the Lakers confidence of winning big games on the road, I'm sure they would PREFER home court advantage. The Lakers will be the favorite if they play like they did tonight consistently, but they are not invincible.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Dude, they have more money than God.

Count up how many millions they've made in their career of VERY high-paid seasons, and then ask yourself:

"Hmmm... would I rather have 3% more to my career salary, or would I like a ring to cap my Hall of Fame career (coincidentally everyone has always pointed out how that's the one thing lacking in my career)."

It doesn't show character at ALL that they'd choose an almost-sure Ring over some chump change (for them).

To me, it shows a desperation that weakens their career, not strengthens it. What would show character is if they went to a team and built them into a contender with their leadership, experience, and skills.

Payton and Malone are money-grabbing whores, it's as simple as that - it's just that they're not being paid in cash, but in the all-important currency of a championship ring.

The problem is that you can say that about all the stars in the league as far as money goes, yet it still hasn't been done. You still didn't say why you feel it hasn't been done before. And personally, i think the answer is because players still care about their paycheck first and foremost. No matter how you spin it, playing for 4 million dollars is a lot different then playing for 10 million. Considering how many players go into contract disputes over amounts like that, i think its silly to waive it off as insignificant.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
IF the Kings lose on Sunday [3/14], AND if the Lakers go 14 and 2 to finish the season, the Kings would have to go 8-8 for the Lakers to win the Pacific, by my calculations.

I don't see that happening.
Especially the way the Lakers are playing.
Even WITH all 4 of the vaunted HoF's.
It's fun to bring up old shit like this :)

Since March 14th, the Lakers are 5-0 with 11 games to go. The Kings are 3-4 with 10 games to go. So now, the Lakers only have to go 9-2 while the Kings go 5-3 to finish the season (assuming a Lakers win over the Kings). Not too hard to imagine now :)

If the Kings can survive the Texas roadtrip - @SA, @DAL, @HOU and beat the Lakers at home, they can probably pull off the win in the Pacific. But if the Lakers win @SAC, there are only two other road games for them, @SEA and @POR (rotfl) to finish the season.

GO LAKERS!

Man look at reaper backtrack when his team gets a major beat down.


F**K the Queens.

WooHooHoo!!!!! Man what a game. Just got back into San Diego just now from Staples Center. The crowd was awesome. My voice is hoarse. F*** the Kings. Chants of "Webber" was awesome, also the many sights of Sacramento Queens suck t-shirts was a sight to see. Good Times!!!

Originally posted by ILikeDVD
WooHooHoo!!!!! Man what a game. Just got back into San Diego just now from Staples Center. The crowd was awesome. My voice is hoarse. F*** the Kings. Chants of "Webber" was awesome, also the many sights of Sacramento Queens suck t-shirts was a sight to see. Good Times!!!



Yeah but you stopped by the strip club on your way home. SD and LA are not that far away.;)

Message game!

Not just to the Queens but to the whole league.

I understand that the staples center was loaded with true fans (rare because of the season seats owned by companies). I heard that it was an amazing thing to hear :up:

However - if I was not a Laker fan I would have to say the refs were pretty bad in this game. But I guess that is home court!

The refs didn't matter this time around. Sacramento was playing in quicksand the entire game!

As predicted by many this season the Lakers are the best team in the league with all four hall of famers healthy. Unless another major injury happens they will steamroll the league for another title. I'm expecting them to be the number 1 seed by seasons end.

Not even the Spurs can stop them this year.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
To me, it shows a desperation that weakens their career, not strengthens it. What would show character is if they went to a team and built them into a contender with their leadership, experience, and skills.

A how is that accomplished sitting on the bench? You really think Payton and Malone could make a team like Golden State into a contender. There's no guarantee that they can do that within 2 years. Malone is 41, Payton is 36. They don't have the time to help build a team. How many times did Seattle try to build a team around Payton? It got them to the Finals in 1991 and that was it. Malone would have been in Utah without Stockton this year. The Jazz have totally changed their style of play to suit the new guys. Malone wasn't going to wait around for them to gel when he's got maybe 1 or 2 years left in his career.

I see nothing wrong with wanting a Championship ring. What would be considered whoring yourself is if they went to the Nets, Pacers or Pistons. That would guarantee a spot in the finals. :p

I just can't f'n wait until LA takes over the #1 seed and Portland squeezes into the #8 seed somehow. It's destiny. It will happen.

And then I'll have to listen to all the circle-jerkers for another season.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I just can't f'n wait until LA takes over the #1 seed and Portland squeezes into the #8 seed somehow. It's destiny. It will happen.

And then I'll have to listen to all the circle-jerkers for another season.

Yes, I can see how you would be internally conflicted since both of the teams you are a fan of would be playing against each other.

It would kill Jerry West to see the Grizzlies against the Lakers if they were to meet in the playoffs. Wonder how many minutes a game he would be able to watch without having a heart attack.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I just can't f'n wait until LA takes over the #1 seed and Portland squeezes into the #8 seed somehow. It's destiny. It will happen.

And then I'll have to listen to all the circle-jerkers for another season.

Dude- we pick because we love you! :D

Originally posted by bfrank
However - if I was not a Laker fan I would have to say the refs were pretty bad in this game. But I guess that is home court!
You're kidding right? There were some missed calls BOTH ways. The technicals were deserved on BOTH teams. I don't think one team benefitted more than the other with the way the game was refereed. Even if it were a close game, I don't think reaper would be in here complaining about the refs...

Originally posted by Aphex Twin
Yes, I can see how you would be internally conflicted since both of the teams you are a fan of would be playing against each other.

It would kill Jerry West to see the Grizzlies against the Lakers if they were to meet in the playoffs. Wonder how many minutes a game he would be able to watch without having a heart attack.

I know, my beloved Shaq and Kobe going up against my hometown team. I can't be pulled in more than one direction!

Blake, maybe I was just hyper focused on it but it seemed really bad to me.

Maybe I was just feeling sorry for the queens and really just wanted a good game - :lol:

(sorry I had to do that ;) )

My friend was at the Lucky Strike at The Block last night, he told me Kobe rolled in at about 11:15 to shoot pool. He shook hands w/ him and congratulated him on the win, Kobe told him he had to take it to Bibby for all that dancing and shit.

Originally posted by SPiRAL
My friend was at the Lucky Strike at The Block last night, he told me Kobe rolled in at about 11:15 to shoot pool. He shook hands w/ him and congratulated him on the win, Kobe told him he had to take it to Bibby for all that dancing and shit.

SPiRAL....I don't know...but that's pretty strange that Kobe would be out considering he has to wake up at about 3am to head to CO today.

Originally posted by damn_skippy
Man look at reaper backtrack when his team gets a major beat down.


F**K the Queens.

Exactly. Its pathetic imo. All this smack talk he brings during the entire season, and one game and he's ready to throw in the towel. Where were all these Gary and Karl comments during the course of the season reaper? They were nowhere because you were to busy spouting how awesome your team was and how they have the best offense of all time and that they were gonna kill the Lakers. Where is that shit now? Funny how when the Queens begin to suck ass you shift it to the "Its not fair the Lakers are too great" whine, whine comments.

Originally posted by Aphex Twin
SPiRAL....I don't know...but that's pretty strange that Kobe would be out considering he has to wake up at about 3am to head to CO today.

Exactly what I was thinking.

About the Grizzlies, I thought I saw an interview with West on ESPN, and he said he wanted to meet the Lakers in the playoffs. But I guess it would give him a heart attack whether he wanted to meet them or not.

I just spoke to my friend , ( he was drunk when he called last night ) but he confirmed that he did see Kobe and spoke to him for less than a minute. I guess he just wanted to blow off some steam.

Originally posted by SPiRAL
at the Lucky Strike at The Block last night, he told me Kobe rolled in at about 11:15 to shoot pool.

What's the teenage white girl demographic at this place? ;)

ooooh brother. dude, time for some new material -wink-

Originally posted by MJKTool
ooooh brother. dude, time for some new material -wink-
Yeah, it's getting kinda old, but Lucky Strike is a pretty expensive place just to play pool or bowl - so there might have been some good skanks there looking to hook up ;)

But anyhoo, I have serious doubts about that - he does live in Newport though - right? So I guess he could have just taken the 405 down from LA ahd detoured onto the 22 quickly before heading back to Newport Beach, but the fact that he said he was extremely tired after the game AND he said he didn't really care about Bibby (though I'm sure he kinda did) PLUS the fact he had to fly back to CO makes it seem a bit suspect, but who knows?

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I just can't f'n wait until LA takes over the #1 seed and Portland squeezes into the #8 seed somehow. It's destiny. It will happen.

And then I'll have to listen to all the circle-jerkers for another season.
What, you think the Blazers can't beat the Lakers? They'd have nothing to lose and could play with absolute abandon. Still would go L.A. 4-0 but the Blazers could have fun!

Originally posted by MJKTool
Exactly. Its pathetic imo. All this smack talk he brings during the entire season, and one game and he's ready to throw in the towel. Where were all these Gary and Karl comments during the course of the season reaper? They were nowhere because you were to busy spouting how awesome your team was and how they have the best offense of all time and that they were gonna kill the Lakers. Where is that shit now? Funny how when the Queens begin to suck ass you shift it to the "Its not fair the Lakers are too great" whine, whine comments.
Insightful. :up:

[Edited to correct embarrassing use of the wrong word.]

Hopefully the T-Wolves will have some brass and bring it Friday to the Lakers so we can have a decent game to watch, unlike the joke of a game we had last night. I mean its fun as hell to watch the Queens act like a bunch of crying bitches, but I want a close game damnit! :D

Originally posted by movielib
What, you think the Blazers can't beat the Lakers? They'd have nothing to lose and could play with absolute abandon. Still would go L.A. 4-0 but the Blazers could have fun!

I have a better chance smacking my head on all the doorways here at work.

Originally posted by El Scorcho
I have a better chance smacking my head on all the doorways here at work.
Well, at least probably no one on the Blazers would attack the towel cart. :)

Originally posted by reapersaurus

Payton and Malone are money-grabbing whores, it's as simple as that - it's just that they're not being paid in cash, but in the all-important currency of a championship ring.

Unless they had joined the Kings of course, then all bets would be off. They would be esteemed Hall of Fame players looking to cap off their careers with a championship ring.

:rolleyes:

the block in OC?

MJKTool - OK, the kid gloves are obviously off and no mod is in here to stop you guys from being personal, so let me share this smack-talking:

Tool, you're a tool.
(deleted personal comment, even tho The Tool won't)
You constantly amaze me at how you can mangle even simple communication.

Don't project your offenses onto me: You Laker fans are known for commenting on how awesome your team is. Don't you dare try to turn that around on me, acting like I've been in here guaranteeing victories and beat-downs and the like.
That's a Laker fans tired schtick.

I've been in here commenting about the good things about my team - what the hell else do you expect me to do, idiot?

I said multiple times "Let's see what happens when they play each other."
And before the game, I made it pretty clear (I thought) that the Kings would lose. So don't make it out like I changed my mind about that.

And what the **** do you EXPECT me to do, Tool? The Lakers just served up an object lesson for the entire league.
Would you like me to keep talking smack, or would you like me to stop talking smack? Cause you know, your opinion means so very much to me. :rolleyes:
As far as I'm concerned, unless the Lakers suffer some injuries, it is abundantly clear that they will waltz to a championship this year. It won't even be close. Why don't you guys who saw the game tell me who can compete with that kind of onslaught?
The T-Wolves, the Spurs.... no way can they compete with that.
The only thing that can stop them is if they stop playing like that (in other words, themselves.)

I have been pretty consistent in calling Malone and Payton whores for joining a guaranteed champion (if healthy).

I am glad I took every opportunity I could to bash the Lakers when I could, because I knew there wouldn't be that many to this year. Everyone knew before the season started that 4 HoF's would guarantee a ring. Everyone forgot about that when the injuries happened (that's to be expected). Now it will be clear again to everyone how obscene it is to have 4 HoF's on one team.

They are too egotistical to lose too many times. They will HAVE to crush people, and they will offend MANY fans of BB in the progress. They can only take the victim approach ("oh - Bibby danced when he beat us here last time!" *gasp*) so far.

Be prepared for the backlash.

Reapersaurus, join us. See the light and be a Laker fan. A fan of a championship team. A dominant team. Quit cheering the little guys(Davey) and see that Goliath always wins!!! J/K. :) No help changing the brainwashed. Oh well.http://members.cox.net/alextrishsam/owned.JPG

Originally posted by reapersaurus
MJKTool - OK, the kid gloves are obviously off and no mod is in here to stop you guys from being personal, so let me share this smack-talking:

Tool, you're a tool.
You are one of the stupidest, most ignorant Laker fans here.
You constantly amaze me at how you can mangle even simple communication.

Don't project your offenses onto me: You Laker fans are known for commenting on how awesome your team is. Don't you dare try to turn that around on me, acting like I've been in here guaranteeing victories and beat-downs and the like.
That's a Laker fans tired schtick.

I've been in here commenting about the good things about my team - what the hell else do you expect me to do, idiot?

I said multiple times "Let's see what happens when they play each other."
And before the game, I made it pretty clear (I thought) that the Kings would lose. So don't make it out like I changed my mind about that.

And what the **** do you EXPECT me to do, Tool? The Lakers just served up an object lesson for the entire league.
Would you like me to keep talking smack, or would you like me to stop talking smack? Cause you know, your opinion means so very much to me. :rolleyes:
As far as I'm concerned, unless the Lakers suffer some injuries, it is abundantly clear that they will waltz to a chamionship this year. It won't even be close. Why don't you guys who saw the game tell me who can compete with that kind of onslaught?
The T-Wolves, the Spurs.... no way can they compete with that.
The only thing that can stop them is if they stop playing like that (in other words, themselves.)

I have been pretty consistent in calling Malone and Payton whores for joining a guaranteed champion (if healthy).

I am glad I took every opportunity I could to bash the Lakers when I could, because I knew there wouldn't be that many to this year. Everyone knew before the season started that 4 HoF's would guarantee a ring. Everyone forgot about that when the injuries happened (that's to be expected). Know it will be clear again to everyone how obscene it is to have 4 HoF's on one team.

They are too egotistical to lose too many times. They will HAVE to crush people, and they will offend MANY fans of BB in the progress. They can only take the victim approach ("oh - Bibby danced when he beat us here last time!" *gasp*) so far.

Be prepared for the backlash.

:)

Originally posted by reapersaurus
MJKTool - OK, the kid gloves are obviously off and no mod is in here to stop you guys from being personal, so let me share this smack-talking:

Tool, you're a tool.
You are one of the stupidest, most ignorant Laker fans here.
You constantly amaze me at how you can mangle even simple communication.

The only thing I said was I thought it was pathetic that you are giving up after 1 loss. I never called you personal names like you are doing to me. You will not egg me into a suspension....kid.

Whats a matter cant take a little heat when your team looses?

:wave: reaper

Originally posted by ILikeDVD
Reapersaurus, join us. See the light and be a Laker fan. A fan of a championship team. A dominant team. Quit cheering the little guys(Davey) and see that Goliath always wins!!! J/K. :) No help changing the brainwashed. Oh well. Good point, actually.

I'm curious - do you Laker fans think that you're actually a true fan of a sport?
Do you think you have any backbone, or true spirit, cheering for a perennial winner?
The Lakers are the most successful franchise in sports the last 25 years years (AFAIK).
What kind of intestinal fortitude, or love of the game, does it show to root for THAT?

(And please, spare us all the insulting-to-reason comments like "OH! But I still cheered for them the few years they weren't winning!" BS :rolleyes: )

Like I've stated many times, winning *gasp* isn't the most important thing.
Only a Laker fan, who hasn't had to lose that much, can be so utterly obsessed with winning it all.
I am disappointed in Kings fans who have bought into the fallacy that unless they win it all, it's a wasted season.
In fighting the enemy these many years, they have taken on quite a few characteristics of Laker fans. And it's sickening.

The Kings have done themselves proud, actually competing with the best the NBA has for years. They rose from NOTHING, thru sheer hardwork and true teamwork, not relying on the freakish talent of 2 unsportsmanlike superstars to win ugly.

So Laker fans - Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the backs for standing behind a powerhouse that is favored more than any other franchise in sports (both in officiating of the game and in talent acquisition - at least the Yankees have to pay their garishly over-stocked roster market value to play for them).

:thumbsup:

This is turning into the best Laker thread of the year.

Reaper stophttp://www.geocities.com/lakersbrethren/smiley_face__cryA.gif

Someone is envious. :)

Originally posted by reapersaurus
The Kings have done themselves proud, actually competing with the best the NBA has for years. They rose from NOTHING, thru sheer hardwork and true teamwork, not relying on the freakish talent of 2 unsportsmanlike superstars to win ugly.

What are you talking about, they STILL ARE NOTHING!

:lol:

Originally posted by MJKTool
Whats a matter cant take a little heat when your team looses? It's "LOSE", you "pathetic", "smack-talking", "cowardly", "quitting" "boastful" "whiner".

If you didn't think you called me those things, than read your post, and connect the dots.

But movielib gets the unintentionally-hilarious misspelling of the year, with "inciteful."
If you guys' struggles with the English language weren't so funny, it'd be "pathetic."

http://www.unsung.net/smilies/autogallery.php?showthumb=1&name=./blahblah.gif

http://www.lakersbrethren.com/JackFretsQueens.jpg

Originally posted by reapersaurus
It's "LOSE", you "pathetic", "smack-talking", "cowardly", "quitting" "boastful" "whiner".

If you didn't think you called me those things, than read your post, and connect the dots.

But movielib gets the unintentionally-hilarious misspelling of the year, with "inciteful."
If you guys' struggles with the English language weren't so funny, it'd be "pathetic."

Can't say anything else about the Queens huh? Going into correcting spelling mode are you? rotfl

You know, I hate to be impartial here but "queens" is just as stupid sounding as "fakers".

Originally posted by El Scorcho
You know, I hate to be impartial here but "queens" is just as stupid sounding as "fakers".

Sorry, but I refuse to call them the K**gs. :)

The Kings of no Rings!

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Good point, actually.

I'm curious - do you Laker fans think that you're actually a true fan of a sport?
Do you think you have any backbone, or true spirit, cheering for a perennial winner?
The Lakers are the most successful franchise in sports the last 25 years years (AFAIK).
What kind of intestinal fortitude, or love of the game, does it show to root for THAT?

(And please, spare us all the insulting-to-reason comments like "OH! But I still cheered for them the few years they weren't winning!" BS :rolleyes: )

Like I've stated many times, winning *gasp* isn't the most important thing.
Only a Laker fan, who hasn't had to lose that much, can be so utterly obsessed with winning it all.
I am disappointed in Kings fans who have bought into the fallacy that unless they win it all, it's a wasted season.
In fighting the enemy these many years, they have taken on quite a few characteristics of Laker fans. And it's sickening.

The Kings have done themselves proud, actually competing with the best the NBA has for years. They rose from NOTHING, thru sheer hardwork and true teamwork, not relying on the freakish talent of 2 unsportsmanlike superstars to win ugly.

So Laker fans - Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the backs for standing behind a powerhouse that is favored more than any other franchise in sports (both in officiating of the game and in talent acquisition - at least the Yankees have to pay their garishly over-stocked roster market value to play for them).

So fans of winning teams aren't real fans of the sport? I'm sorry, but considering the majority of fans ususally take a favor to their hometown, i guess basketball lovers in Southern California aren't really basketball fans unless they cheer for the Clippers. Baseball fans in New York have to love the Mets more than the Yankees. Give me a break. I'm from southern california and i've lived their pretty much my entire life. Of course i'm going to cheer for a team that i can actually watch on TV and attend their games.

I don't understand why you would shrug off the seasons when a team plays poorly just because of a history of success. A true fan is someone that continues to watch and cheer for their team during those moments. Not every team can stay on top forever. If you're a Bulls fan today, all the more power to you. Where were all the Kings fans and cowbells when Mitch Richmond was putting in 20 a game for what.. 8 straight seasons?

P.S. Attacking grammer and writing skills online is a rather poor insult. Everyone makes mistakes and typos. I'm sure if we looked through your posts you wouldn't have perfect english throughout either.

Oh, and I seriously doubt Kobe was at Lucky Strike. Although that place does rule... i've been there a couple times :)

Originally posted by ILikeDVD
Reapersaurus, join us. See the light and be a Laker fan. A fan of a championship team. A dominant team. Quit cheering the little guys(Davey) and see that Goliath always wins!!! J/K. :) No help changing the brainwashed. Oh well.

I personally have fun cheering for the Daveys (it worked the last three Baseball seasons). Can't see myself cheering for the Yankees or Lakers unless I lived there. There is no fun in backing a team that dominate every year unless its your home team.

I'll continue to cheer the Spurs and hope Duncan can carry them on his back again. Doubt anyone can stop the 4HOF Laker juggernaught this year though.

One thing to note though. I don't consider the Kings or Mavericks as Davey teams. They have big payrolls and plenty of stars on their teams. They are Goliaths, but their problem is they have a much bigger Goliath in the Lakers to deal with.

It's not exactly a surprise that the Sacramento Kings don't have a ring.

You're comparing the Lakers with the Kings, in a championship standpoint?!?
Don't you think it's kind of pathetic to have to tout the fact that the most favored franchise in professional sports has more championships than a franchise which has been in NBA obscurity for almost 5 decades (since the Royals won the ring)?

Try to stretch your creativity at least, and come up with something about the Lakers franchise that's better than the Kings that DOESN'T involve the number of championships they've gotten.

That's like the USA being so taken in with the competition coming from some small country like Brazil and saying "Hey, Brazil - we make more GNP than you! Scoreboard! We've won more wars than you! Ha haa!"

Originally posted by reapersaurus
...
But movielib gets the unintentionally-hilarious misspelling of the year, with "inciteful."
...
You're right. I take pride in my grammar and spelling and I screwed up there. How many others can you find?

Unlike your words about our friend, MJKTool, that was not a personal attack on me, just pointing out my error. Thanks, it was pretty stupid of me.

Originally posted by fumanstan
So fans of winning teams aren't real fans of the sport?

I don't understand why you would shrug off the seasons when a team plays poorly just because of a history of success. A true fan is someone that continues to watch and cheer for their team during those moments. Not every team can stay on top forever. If you're a Bulls fan today, all the more power to you. Where were all the Kings fans and cowbells when Mitch Richmond was putting in 20 a game for what.. 8 straight seasons?

P.S. Attacking grammer and writing skills online is a rather poor insult. I think there are some Laker fans that are good fans of the sport, but for the most part - NO, Laker fans can't be true fans of the sport, because the ridiculous success is a anathema to the spirit of a game.

Most sports only have winning as a rare thing - for a fan to be spoiled by constant success IS an obstacle to truly being a fan of the sport.

I have heard multiple times on this board where people have pointed out the "dark days" of Sedale Threat, etc.
Give me a BREAK! It's an insult to sports fans everywhere for a Laker fan to ever cloak themselves as an underdog, or struggling franchise.
It rings laughably hollow.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs00/s/almanac/history/lal.html

And to answer your direct question:
True Kings fans WERE there even before Mitch Richmond helped to at least put Sacramento on the NBA map.
True Kings fans supported their team when they were so bad, they moved from Kansas City with NO prospects for success, and nobody wanted to play here.
True Kings fans have watched the team grow from a terminally-uncompetetive team, to someone that the ultra-successful Lakers actually go out of their way to compete against.

Any fan that became one in the last 5 years is NOT a true Kings fan, in my eyes, with very few exceptions. I might grant a one-year exception to any fan from 98-99.

P.S. my typo criticism was 3-fold.
It segue-wayed into a reply to The Tool, it let me bridge to movielib's incredibly coinicidental typo, and "loose" is a pet peeve of mine.
I'll bet that The Tool actually thinks 'lose' IS spelt ;) "loose".
It's an incredibly common (and embarassing) mistake nowadays.

Also, I don't mind spelling mistakes most of the time. There are TONS here that I don't point out, and don't mind, by both you guys and me.
Typos are not the issue. It's when someone makes themselves look ignorant by misunderstanding the WORD "loose".
And when a misspelled word means something worlds apart from what was intended, like "inciteful".

BTW: for those that don't get the joke, "inciteful" kinda means "to incite", meaning to cause a flaring up of emotions or conflict.
Which ironically, The Tool did, as was his intention.
It was a MUCH more "inciteful" post, than it was "insightful". :lol:

Originally posted by fumanstan
P.S. Attacking grammEr and writing skills online is... ...like shooting fish in a barrel. ;)

It's 'grammar', genius. :up:

Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study Hard.
Be Evil.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
I think there are some Laker fans that are good fans of the sport, but for the most part - NO, Laker fans can't be true fans of the sport, because the ridiculous success is a anathema to the spirit of a game.

Most sports only have winning as a rare thing - for a fan to be spoiled by constant success IS an obstacle to truly being a fan of the sport.


I disagree. In every sport there are a few teams that have a history of winning. In the NBA, you can count the Boston Celtics right up there with the Lakers, if not higher since they've won more championships. Baseball has, of course, the Yankees (it doesn't seem like you're a baseball fan, but if you are, you must loathe the Yankees even more then the Lakers :)). I'm not too familiar with the NHL, but just looking at the history of Stanley Cup winners you see a collection of the same teams.

I don't think that fans of these teams should be regarded in a lesser light simply because the majority of them happen to live in the same city as a winning team. I think being enthusastic about maintaining a winning team from the fans is a good thing for the sport... it drives teams to strive for success. I don't see Clipper fans being better simply because they cheer on a team whose owner has no desire on building success. .

Originally posted by reapersaurus
...like shooting fish in a barrel. ;)

It's 'grammar', genius. :up:

Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study Hard.
Be Evil.

Whine whine, "you guys'" isn't exactly eloquent either.

Originally posted by ILikeDVD
http://www.lakersbrethren.com/JackFretsQueens.jpg Wow - Jack looks like an ass even in front of a real team.

Nice way to swipe that off a Laker circle-jerk site with no credit. :up:

BTW: that site is quite an embarrassment to the ever elusive "true Laker fan", I'd imagine. It elevates potty humor and "You're a faag" into true creative genius, in comparison.

I do like this one, though:
http://www.lakersbrethren.com/VladeCatChow.jpg
I guess it's calling Shaq one big pu$$y, eh? ;)

Originally posted by fumanstan
Whine whine, "you guys'" isn't exactly eloquent either. would "youse guys" be more acceptable?

I think being enthusastic about maintaining a winning team from the fans is a good thing for the sport... it drives teams to strive for success.I agree here.

But I don't think that using that extended success as a battering ram to simultaneously prop up any feelings of inadequacy and at the same time shove down every other team's throat like it's some fault of the Nuggets or Sonics that they didn't have Kareem, Worthy, Magic, Kobe, Shaq, etc is some fault of theirs.
:rolleyes:

I've got no problem with Laker fans who are simply fans of the team, the great history, who live around LA and like that their team wins.

I DO have a problem when they are outrageously insulting, bad winners, and purposely rack the muck and try to make it out like the Kings and their fans are the ones that started shit, or are the ones that are boastful and arrogant.

Laker fans SHOULD be the most classy in the NBA - they get nothing but favorable officiating in the playoffs(overall, and historically), and they have the entertainment capital of the world as a main reason why they get such superstars to join their team.
They have the most success of anyone in the modern era.
Why can't their fans be good sports, and congratulate people for trying hard, and when they succeed?
Why do they always have to be such a$$es about things?
Why do they have to be so Shaq-like, and brutish, elevating thuggery to the NBA winner's podium, for god's sake (what an embarrasment to the sport, BTW).

Originally posted by reapersaurus
would "youse guys" be more acceptable?

Not really, but for someone championing his mastery of the English language compared to others here, i figured you could do better. :up:

reaper = doo doo.

Alas it was only one game but what a game it was.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Try to stretch your creativity at least, and come up with something about the Lakers franchise that's better than the Kings that DOESN'T involve the number of championships they've gotten.

How about fans don't bring these to the arena every night:
http://www.fse.missouri.edu/ASM/germany/images/Cow%20modeling%20Bell.jpg

Ooops...sorry--meant this:
http://www.fantasyfestival.com/media/9999905204.jpg

Originally posted by reapersaurus
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P.S. my typo criticism was 3-fold.
It segue-wayed into a reply to The Tool, it let me bridge to movielib's incredibly coinicidental typo, and "loose" is a pet peeve of mine.
I'll bet that The Tool actually thinks 'lose' IS spelt ;) "loose".
It's an incredibly common (and embarassing) mistake nowadays.
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Yes, it is embarrassing, isn't it? Not to mention what you segue<strike>waye</strike>d into.



Just caught this one:
[i]Originally posted by reapersaurus
Why do they have to be so Shaq-like, and brutish, elevating thuggery to the NBA winner's podium, for god's sake (what an embarrasment to the sport, BTW).
You can find embarrassment in more than one way. :up:

It also cracks me up how I can't announce myself as a Laker fan without people assuming I'm on some kind of bandwagon, when the fact is I've been a Laker fan, and ONLY a Laker fan, since I was 8 years old living in Las vegas, and the closest team around was the Lakers. I knew nothing of their past as champions. I knew who Magic Johnson was, and that was about it. I instantly hated Larry Bird and the Celtics and a new Laker fan was born. Twenty-three years later, here I still am.

I was also a Buccaneer fan and finally got to enjoy a championship 2 seasons ago after 20 years of embarrassing pumpkin orange losing.

I could go on, but it's awfully defensive to paint all Laker fans with the same broad stroke because we happen to like a team that wins. Jealousy will get you nowhere, young man.

SleepyW - please, continue to embarRass yourself by spouting what passes for creativity in LA.

"A Cow town"?
Please..... have you ever BEEN here?
Hicks?
I'd like you to point out where they are, exactly. (BTW - finding one or 2 doesn't paint the million-plus entire area with some stain.
Duh.)

Next.


edit: psst - Sleepy - I know you're Sleepy and all, but wake up and read my previous post:
Not ALL Laker fans are bandwagoners, who wouldn't have the balls to stand behind a team that didn't perpetually win.


Just most of them. ;)

Damn. You know the Kings got their asses kicked when things break down to spelling flames. :lol:

Oh well, back to watching highlights of the Spurs kicking the Pistons asses tonight.

Originally posted by reapersaurus
True Kings fans supported their team when they were so bad, they moved from Kansas City with NO prospects for success, and nobody wanted to play here.
True Kings fans have watched the team grow from a terminally-uncompetetive team, to someone that the ultra-successful Lakers actually go out of their way to compete against.


hmmm, shouldnt a "true" fan not give up after only 1 regular season loss? I know the Lakers DEMORALIZED the Queens last night, but still...

Originally posted by SleepyW
It also cracks me up how I can't announce myself as a Laker fan without people assuming I'm on some kind of bandwagon, when the fact is I've been a Laker fan, and ONLY a Laker fan, since I was 8 years old living in Las vegas, and the closest team around was the Lakers. I knew nothing of their past as champions. I knew who Magic Johnson was, and that was about it. I instantly hated Larry Bird and the Celtics and a new Laker fan was born. Twenty-three years later, here I still am.

I was also a Buccaneer fan and finally got to enjoy a championship 2 seasons ago after 20 years of embarrassing pumpkin orange losing.

I could go on, but it's awfully defensive to paint all Laker fans with the same broad stroke because we happen to like a team that wins. Jealousy will get you nowhere, young man.
And I've been a Laker fan since 1958 when they were in Minneapolis. I was 11 and I became a Laker fan not because they were good (they stunk at the time) but because when I started watching the NBA I thought this rookie by the name of Elgin Baylor was the coolest guy ever. I sure didn't know they had won 5 NBA championships already with a guy named George Mikan. I sure didn't know they would pick up Jerry West a couple of seasons later and become one of the best teams in the league. I still had to suffer through many 7 game losses to the Celtics in the Finals and didn't get a title until 1972. It's my 46th season as a Laker fan. Of course, I also hate the Celtics.

I've also been a Chicago White Sox fan for about as long and I guess people can accuse me of backing a winner there. :lol:

Originally posted by El Scorcho
You know, I hate to be impartial here but "queens" is just as stupid sounding as "fakers".


How about " Suckramento " ?

Originally posted by SPiRAL
How about " Suckramento " ? How about not being juvenile in support of your team? :rolleyes:

I swear, sometimes in Laker threads the discourse is only one step removed from "Poopie-head!" and "You're dum."

Originally posted by reapersaurus
I think there are some Laker fans that are good fans of the sport, but for the most part - NO, Laker fans can't be true fans of the sport, because the ridiculous success is a anathema to the spirit of a game.

Most sports only have winning as a rare thing - for a fan to be spoiled by constant success IS an obstacle to truly being a fan of the sport.
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I can imagine how you feel about the Celtics winning eight in a row and eleven in thirteen years. :lol:

And they still have more than the Lakers (16-14). But that will be remedied (I hope).

movielib - wake up and smell the 21st century.

The Celtics are ANCIENT HISTORY.
They haven't even won 50 games since the 91-92 season.

And do you REALLY think that Celtics fans are anywhere near Laker fans when it comes to offensiveness, boorishness, and bad behavior?

BTW: I give you props for being a true fan for so long. (not that it's been tough)

:lol:

If anything, Boston fans are *more* offensive, boorish, and exhibit more bad behavior. When their team is winning, that is.

Come on. It's Boston!