Untagged Spoilers - suspension?

[Tommy Ceez]

Being that Survivor was ruined for many members this morning, could we ensure propoer spoiler tag usage with a threat of a minor suspension?

[Groucho]

But what about those who are over 18?

[Vegas9203]

Here here

[Jackskeleton]

gee thanks for that spoiler buddy..

[Rypro 525]

jeeze, not everyone knows the ending to that movie man.

[Alyoshka]

I agree.

[Blade]

A warning would probably be appropriate for a first offense. Repeated offenses could then be met with suspensions and eventually being banned. But this kind of thing rarely happens (the first time anyway) for maliscious reasons, so any kind of a suspension for a first offense seems a little extreme to me.

[apchrist]

I say a Warning for the first offence, and Suspension untill the end of the season for the Second. If they do it again next season then they can be Banned.

[sinned]

I'm John Kerry and I approve this message

[Tommy Ceez]

I can handle a stern warning for the first offence

[Cusm]

I am all for it, look at some of the 24 posts as well.

[Deftones]

Originally posted by Cusm
I am all for it, look at some of the 24 posts as well.

The guy in the Allstate commercials is the President on 24? -eek-

[Josh H]

Warnings are enough IMO.

I get annoyed when people whine about spoilers. I can understand if it's a thread talking about how much money a movie made or something not related directly the the film.

However, if I don't want a movie/show spoiled, I don't click on threads discussing it until after I've seen it. Problem solved. If it's something I'm on the fence about seeing, then I don't mind some spoilers in reviews as I want to find out what it's about to decide to see it. Otherwise, I just steer clear of movie/show threads until after viewing them.

[Groucho]

Josh,

The thread in question was about an episode of "Survivor." The rules of the TV forum are that you don't discuss future episodes without tags. Period. That includes the promo for next week.

This is a lot different than somebody reading a thread called The Crying Game: Who saw the twist coming? and complaining about untagged spoilers.

[Buford T Pusser]

Originally posted by Tommy Ceez
I can handle a stern warning for the first offence

kay.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED IN A STERN MANNER!!!

[LurkerDan]

Originally posted by Groucho
Josh,

The thread in question was about an episode of "Survivor." The rules of the TV forum are that you don't discuss future episodes without tags. Period. That includes the promo for next week.

This is a lot different than somebody reading a thread called The Crying Game: Who saw the twist coming? and complaining about untagged spoilers. :lol:

Wait, that's not funny. :hscratch:

[Static Cling]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
However, if I don't want a movie/show spoiled, I don't click on threads discussing it until after I've seen it. Problem solved. If it's something I'm on the fence about seeing, then I don't mind some spoilers in reviews as I want to find out what it's about to decide to see it. Otherwise, I just steer clear of movie/show threads until after viewing them. Except this was a spoiler about the final three remaining Survivors, rather than just a spoiler about the most recent show.

I think a suspension until the end of a season is pretty extreme.

[bboisvert]

People make mistakes. So a warning is appropriate.

However, if the same person continues to ignore the warning and post spoilers, it's no longer a mistake. Time to make with the suspensions, hellfire, and pointy sticks.

[SunMonkey]

Originally posted by Static Cling
I think a suspension until the end of a season is pretty extreme.

What about until the end of the season for just the TV forum?

Personally, I don't think banning people for spoiling shows like was done with the last two Survivor seasons is too extreme. I believe people do it on purpose and then claim ignorance.

[DarthVong]

Originally posted by Tommy Ceez
I can handle a stern warning for the first offence

Does that mean we get paddled with fish?




see what I did there?




I agree, I understand seeing spoilers in some threads, but with some of them it should be enforced a little.

[spainlinx0]

I think the rules need to be made clear about not discussing the next week's promos because a lot of people seem to be ignoring it lately in the TV forum. And I don't think saying something to the effect of "next week should be interesting because blank is coming back and we haven't seen them in a while" is covering your spoiler when only the name is blanked out.

[Rypro 525]

and also there should be a rule where only things that haven't aired should be spoiler tagged. for instance, if someone gets whacked in the sopranos, we should be able to freely discuss it without having tags, once the episode has aired. it gets annoying once everything is tagged, its hard to tell whats going to be on next weeks episode and whats about this weeks.

[das Monkey]

We've been through this before many times and even have a sticky detailing these suggestions. Yet, for some unfathomable reason, people refuse to abide by these policies, even longtime members who should know better. I'm not sure if it'll ever stop. I <i>can</i> say, however, that it's infinitely better than it was 2 years ago, when you had to raise holy Hell to get people to stop it.

das

[joltaddict]

I like what I just saw Static do in the TV Forum, he changed the posters title to "I Dont Use Spoiler Tags".
Make them wear that right under their username for a week or two.

[Copenhagen]

Originally posted by joltaddict
I like what I just saw Static do in the TV Forum, he changed the posters title to "I Dont Use Spoiler Tags".
Make them wear that right under their username for a week or two.

:up:

[Groucho]

The Scarlet IDUST

[joltaddict]

It took me all day to figure out what IDUST meant. -ohbfrank-

[Static Cling]

Originally posted by joltaddict
I like what I just saw Static do in the TV Forum, he changed the posters title to "I Dont Use Spoiler Tags".
Make them wear that right under their username FOREVER. Fixed. :)

In a dream world, I'd just make it so that every single post of theirs was in spoiler tags for the next two weeks.

[das Monkey]

As always, excellent work, <b>Sir Cling</b>.

das

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by Static Cling
Fixed.

:lol:rotfl:lol:

[Chew]

I like what I just saw Static do in the TV Forum, he changed the posters title to "I Dont Use Spoiler Tags".
Make them wear that right under their username for a week or two.

I'm bumping because the very poster who prompted this thread in the first place (by spoiling Survivor) has now possibly spoiled Amazing Race as of this morning. Could a mod put the above in practice now that two reality shows have been spoiled by the same poster?

[das Monkey]

It's rude to talk about who is on your Ignore List, but every time someone does this (and doesn't soon apologize for an honest mistake), he goes promptly on my Ignore List. For anyone who thinks that is overkill, it saved me twice this week.

I've grown tired of arguing with people over why forum members should treat one another with respect and not spoil things for others. Even now, there's yet another discussion going on in TV Talk where people apparently feel it's perfectly fine to discuss plot elements of one show that is currently on the air inside the thread of another different show without tagging it. It's not like "oh, I'm sorry, I forgot"; it's "I should be allowed to do this". I thought official policy was no ... you're <i>not</i> allowed to do that, but even so, it's arrogant and disrespectful, and while I'm saddened and frustrated that it's come to this, I'm just happy the Ignore List is an effective last line of defense.

das

[Chew]

It's rude to talk about who is on your Ignore List, but every time someone does this, he goes promptly on my Ignore List.

He's on my list now. -ohbfrank-

[Groucho]

Who is on what list? What are you talking about, Chew?

[Chew]

Who is on what list? What are you talking about, Chew?
The guy who ruined Amazing Race this morning and Survivor last year has joined the one other person on my Ignore List as of this morning.


Is there a way to get Serious Groucho on my ignore list and Regular Groucho not on the list so I can easily tell the difference? :p

[Groucho]

Still waiting for a reply from Chew...

Strange, his other post has disappeared.

[whaaat]

What about the issue of people posting spoilers for other shows in unrelated threads, is there a rule about this? There's been a few Alias plot points revealed in Lost threads...

[Josh H]

I think all the Alias "spoilers" have been from episodes that already aired (most in past seasons).

The rules only apply to episodes before they air. After that, people that TV or wait for DVD are just on their own.

[das Monkey]

• Josh Hinkle •

I think all the Alias "spoilers" have been from episodes that already aired (most in past seasons).

The rules only apply to episodes before they air. After that, people that TV or wait for DVD are just on their own.
Not in threads for <i>other</i> shows. It's the same principle as spoilers inside thread titles. You tag something to prevent someone from seeing something where they couldn't possibly expect it. If you're in an <i>Alias</i> thread for the new episode, and people are talking about episodes of <i>Alias</i> you haven't seen, you should know better, and you're on your own. But if you're in a thread about some other show entirely, there's no way to know. By that logic, I could type in this thread the major revelations of all the TV series in recent years without tagging it, and that would be OK. Hardly. Should I be allowed to go into a <b>Star Wars</b> thread and tell everyone the ending to a bunch of films that were released in 2005?

Why is this so difficult to understand? And how difficult is it to say, this episode is just like <i>Other Show</i> when the Universe imploded

Is it really such an inconvenience to respect fellow forum contributors? Are we that fucking selfish?

das

[Rogue588]

It's rude to talk about who is on your Ignore List, but every time someone does this (and doesn't soon apologize for an honest mistake), he goes promptly on my Ignore List. For anyone who thinks that is overkill, it saved me twice this week.

I've grown tired of arguing with people over why forum members should treat one another with respect and not spoil things for others. Even now, there's yet another discussion going on in TV Talk where people apparently feel it's perfectly fine to discuss plot elements of one show that is currently on the air inside the thread of another different show without tagging it. It's not like "oh, I'm sorry, I forgot"; it's "I should be allowed to do this". I thought official policy was no ... you're <i>not</i> allowed to do that, but even so, it's arrogant and disrespectful, and while I'm saddened and frustrated that it's come to this, I'm just happy the Ignore List is an effective last line of defense.So wait...you didn't know that Hawkeye smothered a baby?!??!

Jeez, man. You need to get out more...:sarcasm:

[Josh H]

Is it really such an inconvenience to respect fellow forum contributors? Are we that fucking selfish?


Hey, I use spoiler tags.

I don't particularily like them as I tend to watch shows and movies in a timely manner and honestly don't care that much about having stuff spoiled.

But I understand that other people are much more into that kind of stuff and get bent out of shape over entertainment being spoiled, thus I respect that and use them

I was just pointing out that the forum rules to my knowledge don't specifically ban posting spoilers for stuff that already aired, even in threads about other shows.

As such, it's not ethical for anyone to get suspended etc. for doing so until the rules are updated and publicized. Which they should be IMO.

[das Monkey]

Just to be clear, I wasn't criticizing you specifically, just the argument.

das

[chrisih8u]

So when is it ok to discuss previews? Or do they always have to be in spoiler tags? The spoilers thread says:


A note on "XYZ-Show Date" threads. It's common practice in this forum that thread titles that consist of the show title and it's air date WILL contain spoilers, regardless of a warning in the thread title. Enter at you're own risk! (Thanks to hahn for "starting" this tradition)

Does this mean it's ok to discuss last weeks previews in this weeks thread, even if the episode hasnt aired yet?

[Josh H]

As I posted in the Lost thread, discussion promos that have aired repeatedly on TV are fine and should not require spoiler tags IMO.

People that are so anal they don't even want to hear about the promos and flip the channels when they air should simply have the common sense to stay out of the thread until after they've watched the episode. Even then they should enter at their own risk as I see no reason to spoiler tag discussion of the promo of next weeks episode which aired at the end of the current episode.

Some people really need to get lives.

[Groucho]

Just because a promo has aired a bazillion times doesn't mean anything. A lot of us use DVRs and don't see commericials at all. That said, spoilers for the episode being discussed should be okay...but it's probably a good idea to put things in tags if it hasn't aired yet.

Sometimes people go a little far and half the thread ends up in tags, which is bad because you don't know if the spoilers are for this episode or next episode and might end up clicking something you don't want to see.

[whaaat]

I see no reason to spoiler tag discussion of the promo of next weeks episode which aired at the end of the current episode.
I do: (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187564)
PROMO SPOILERS:
If you're going to discuss official information about an upcoming episode (ie. stuff shown in the "next week on..." segment, or print/broadcast advertisement/teasers) please make sure that you either use spoiler tags or start a thread with some kind of warning in the thread title

[Josh H]

It's a rule, sure, as I said in the thread is shows the admins are as foolish as the person bitching about unspoilered promos.

You don't pander to the minority. I Tivo everything, but I like watching the promos, gets me more excited about the next show.

Those that don't want to hear even the minor details revealed in promos should have the common sense to stay the fuck out of the thread until the episode airs to avoid people talking about the promos.

I mean if you don't want to know anything about the episode until you see it, why do you have any reason to enter the thread until you've watched it. :confused:

The only thing people can talk about before seeing it is the promo and what they think will happen.

[das Monkey]

• chrisih8u •

So when is it ok to discuss previews? Or do they always have to be in spoiler tags?

Does this mean it's ok to discuss last weeks previews in this weeks thread, even if the episode hasnt aired yet?
I don't know the answer to that, but my personal opinion (and as is noted in the thread you quoted) is that we should err on the side of caution. Unless you're just unbelieveably selfish or derive pleasure from ruining things for people whom you judge to be inferior simply because they care, I don't see the harm in making the most minimal of extra efforts to keep this place a positive community for all.

To quote Uber Member <b>Blade</b>, "It's fine to discuss this stuff, but let's give everyone the <i>choice</i> to decide whether they want to see it or not."

In this specific case, though, I think the general feeling is that if a thread has a date (or episode number/name/whatever) in the title, talking about <i>that</i> episode is fair game. If you TiVo it or are on the West Coast or something, you just need to be aware that's what's going on in there. That being the case, it would seem that <i>technically</i>, previews for that episode (shown after last week's) are also fair game. Personally, though, out of respect for others, I would tag it at least until it aired on the East Coast. The same would apply for if I've seen the episode early for some reason. While I may be able to build some semantic argument why I should be able to recklessly post that info in the upcoming thread, I see no reason why I (or anyone else) would want to be such a dick when it's abundantly clear that many people around here would prefer otherwise.

das

[whaaat]

It's a rule, sure, as I said in the thread is shows the admins are as foolish as the person bitching about unspoilered promos.
So the fact that it's a rule isn't reason enough to follow it. :confused:

And now I'm a dipstick, whiner, and I need to get a life? Nice.

[dick_grayson]

so wait, who is the dude who keeps posting spoilers? I was the victim of one last week with a Star Wars thread. If I didn't regularly post here, I'd consider posting a spoiler of something major just to see everyone freak out (although I don't condone it!)

[Josh H]

So the fact that it's a rule isn't reason enough to follow it. :confused:

And now I'm a dipstick, whiner, and I need to get a life? Nice.


Seriously dude, If you don't want to see any discussion of the promos, what the fuck is your reason for clicking on the thread before the show airs. :confused:

There is nothing else that could possibly be discussed at that point other than people posting "can't wait to watch this." :confused:

[whaaat]

There is nothing else that could possibly be discussed at that point other than people posting "can't wait to watch this." :confused:
There used to be about 2 pages worth of "can't wait to watch this" before each episode aired. Especially for the early episodes, before the show really cuaght on, I got a nice feeling of community, knowing other people were enjoying the show as much as I was, and couldn't wait to find out what happened. No spoilers, or discussion of last week's promos, just wild speculation about robot t-rexes and zombie dads. And I used to read it every week to get me hyped up for that night's show. Now that I know there's discussion of things I don't want to know about, I'll stay out of the threads until after they've aired.

[Josh H]

Fair enough, I always though the "can't wait" posts bordered on padding and just wasted bandwith. :D

[whaaat]

Fair enough, I always though the "can't wait" posts bordered on padding and just wasted bandwith. :D
Hey, I never said I posted in them, just that I read them. Why do you think I'm still a Senior Member? -wink-

[Rival11]

If it happens more than once by the same person, definitely a warning first. If it continues, a suspension, if they become and asshole after their suspension, ban them.

Rival 11 for president.