The Federal Bureau of Investigation announced a new antipiracy warning label Thursday that will be used on digital music, movies and software, cautioning of legal consequences for people involved in piracy.
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The new label announced Thursday draws on the familiar warning messages contained on virtually all Hollywood videocassettes. In this case, it will come in the form of a "seal" that will be affixed to physical products, or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online, cautioning that unauthorized copying can be subject to prosecution.
The exact form of the seal will be determined by the producer of the product, and is still being worked out by music, movie and software companies, the trade association representatives said. http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5161871.html?tag=nefd_top
I'm sure it'll be well-placed such that it maximizes damage to the case and inserts and leaves a sticky residue on your disc.
calhoun07
02-19-04, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Todd B.
http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5161871.html?tag=nefd_top
I'm sure it'll be well-placed such that it maximizes damage to the case and inserts and leaves a sticky residue on your disc.
Huh? They are talking about an electronic seal, a computer file that will attatch itself to anything somebody illegally puts online for download.
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
jaeufraser
02-19-04, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by calhoun07
Huh? They are talking about an electronic seal, a computer file that will attatch itself to anything somebody illegally puts online for download.
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
Umm, you know, that article is about the FBI putting a physical label on, not an electronic. Read it again...the original poster is correct.
Even if it were that case, an electronic seal, I truly doubt that it would stop much...unfortunately (fortunately?), someone will always crack these copyright and piracy protections.
calhoun07
02-19-04, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by jaeufraser
Umm, you know, that article is about the FBI putting a physical label on, not an electronic. Read it again...the original poster is correct.
Even if it were that case, an electronic seal, I truly doubt that it would stop much...unfortunately (fortunately?), someone will always crack these copyright and piracy protections.
Yeah, I did.
In this case, it will come in the form of a "seal" that will be affixed to physical products, or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online
The use of the quotation marks around "seal" suggests it's not a real seal, like the three seals that are on the outside of a keep case, and it's affixed elctronically to the physical product, ie the DVD info. This seal will be displayed as a digital file if downloaded online. How does a sticker on your DVD transfer to a digital file if you're DVD-R drive can't read it? At least that's the way I am reading it.
Todd B.
02-19-04, 05:30 PM
When they talk about a "seal" being "affixed" to "physical products," I don't think they're waxing metaphorical. I think they literally mean a sticky seal on the product. The quotes are probably to denote that the nomenclature came from the FBI without further clarification as to what form exactly this "seal" would take.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
calhoun07
02-19-04, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Todd B.
When they talk about a "seal" being "affixed" to "physical products," I don't think they're waxing metaphorical. I think they literally mean a sticky seal on the product. The quotes are probably to denote that the nomenclature came from the FBI without further clarification as to what form exactly this "seal" would take.
Now where that seal will be placed and how much damage it'll do to the product in taking it off is certainly a concern. I'm afraid of Shrek-like stickers.
And I can totally understand where somebody would get that idea from reading that, but the sentence it's in doesn't end with a period after it talks about the physical product having the seal; it goes on to talk about how it will show up as an electronic file if uploaded to the Internet. How can a sticker on the DVD do that? I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy.
I'm sure it wont be to big or to destructive to the cover of your dvd's.
Jackskeleton
02-19-04, 05:39 PM
I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy
This measure is just to show that breaking copyright protection is a FEDERAL offense. It's like putting a "Speed checked by Rader" sign on a street. It's a visual deterrent.
How to put it on electronic files? well for cd's and dvd's the only place they can put it is on the products package and on a film at the start of the film with this image:
If it is a sticker, all I ask for it to do is to be able to come off as easilly as those pesky PMRC stickers (unless they print it directly on the cover, like a comic book code, and some other PMRC lables I have seen).
Cocopugg
02-19-04, 05:46 PM
Their boring interruptions at the beginning of every DVD has done alot to stop piracy so far. It's good to know they'll now delay the start of our movies by several more minutes. That'll help alot.
CP
Todd B.
02-19-04, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by calhoun07
And I can totally understand where somebody would get that idea from reading that, but the sentence it's in doesn't end with a period after it talks about the physical product having the seal; it goes on to talk about how it will show up as an electronic file if uploaded to the Internet. How can a sticker on the DVD do that? I just cannot see how that could be possible or help anybody out stop piracy. Ah, I see where the confusion is now. This phrase:
"or displayed as a digital file if downloaded online"
I believe what that means is that if you buy a digital download, it'll have a warning pop-up before you play it. For example, if you buy a song off iTunes Music Store, or a film from ifilm.com, it'll have the warning pop up before you play the file. Analogous to the warning sticker on your physical purchase before you open it.
I don't think it meant that they will embed something into the digital files on physically purchased products that will pop up if you upload it to the Internet.
tacomantt
02-19-04, 07:43 PM
And what's the point? There are already warnings on every DVD and VHS that's been on the market for the past 20 years.
Nothing new here. Move along...
Todd B.
02-19-04, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by tacomantt
And what's the point? There are already warnings on every DVD and VHS that's been on the market for the past 20 years. Yeah, but does that include a big sticker/seal on your DVD?
bboisvert
02-19-04, 08:09 PM
Yeah, I'm sure one of the main problems with piracy is that people aren't aware that it's against the law. :rolleyes:
Glad the government/FBI can now step in and add helpful stickers to products. In additional to (sometimes non-skipable) notices before the film. That'll stop people from copying. I'm pretty darn sure of it.
Who is paying for this sticker campaign? The consumer? The taxpayer? Friggin waste of time, effort, and money.
candyrocket786
02-19-04, 08:20 PM
If this seal or label is anything like the ones BBV used in the past, I guess I'll just buy dvds from another country. :D
Some of you are really getting anal about this topic. It's not like they are going to screw up your disc art or your front cover. The warnings may be old, but the new revamp is made to point out and put a hard focus that it's a federal crime to copy it. that's all. a gimmick.
"OMG!! THEY ARE GOING TO RUIN MY INSERT IMAGE!!"
relax, It wont get to that point sheesh.
Class316
02-19-04, 09:48 PM
yea that will work -rolleyes-
Jackskeleton
02-19-04, 10:05 PM
No doubt it wont work for crap. But I think the idea that it will screw up the way a dvd looks is a little mich. turn just about any dvd around that you own. Look at the lower thirds. see all that fine print? Notice the FBI logo? Well this action is simply to add an extra point that it's not only a crime.. it's a Federal "pound you in the rear jail" crime to pirate. ;)
slowcloud
02-19-04, 10:17 PM
I can say that I have received DVDs in the mail with an FBI seal on the mailing box it was packaged in. The packing tape had an FBI warning surreptitiously printed on it. I cannot say for sure it was for copy protecting the media or tampering with the mail. I cannot fully recall the message-- I just wanted to rip it open to get my DVD (who reads these warnings anyway???).
Cocopugg
02-19-04, 10:58 PM
What about people who make backup copies of DVDs they already own? In the past I was under the impression that if you bought a DVD, you were entitled to make a backup copy of it in case somethine were to ever happen to the original. I guess that rule no longer applies. Maybe the new warning will say we aren't allowed to own any copy of DVDs we already own, so when the DVD finally doesn't work, it's time to buy another one. Sounds like a nice little racket to me. Can anyone say "disposable DVD"?
CP
Jackskeleton
02-20-04, 12:28 AM
What does that have to do with anything? You will still be able to make a back up copy of your dvd's. this is just a logo/wrap around that wont stop you from doing anything...
LivingINClip
02-20-04, 12:52 AM
The main question is...
Will it come with an insert?
:)
Bronkster
02-20-04, 01:40 AM
and will the FBI be doing a commentary??
-other-
jough
02-20-04, 02:46 AM
It is not nor has it ever been legal for you to make backup copies of your DVDs, if only because it is illegal under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act to circumvent DVD's copy protection (remember deCSS?).
So yes, you can't legally make a copy of the DVDs you purchased. Doesn't that piss you off?
Class316
02-20-04, 02:00 PM
The FBI said Thursday it is giving Hollywood film studios, music companies and software makers permission to use its name and logo on their DVDs, CDs and other digital media in hopes the labels will deter consumers from making illegal copies.
FBI officials said the idea was conceived jointly by the agency's cyber crime division and representatives of the entertainment and software industries, who claim they've lost billions of dollars due to digital piracy.
"This anti-piracy seal should serve as a warning to those who contemplate the theft of intellectual property, that the FBI will actively investigate cyber crimes and will bring the perpetrators of these criminal acts to justice," said Jana Monroe, assistant director of the FBI's cyber division.
This shows how desperate they are :lol:! God Bless the Internet.
MJKTool
02-20-04, 03:37 PM
No OAR = No Sale
Cocopugg
02-20-04, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by jough
It is not nor has it ever been legal for you to make backup copies of your DVDs, if only because it is illegal under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act to circumvent DVD's copy protection (remember deCSS?).
So yes, you can't legally make a copy of the DVDs you purchased. Doesn't that piss you off?
How about if Studio heads decide to produce DVDs that "mysteriously" won't play anymore (like those disposable DVDs Disney tried to release) a couple of months after being purchased. We'll all need to buy and rebuy our favorites...Sounds like Hollywood is sitting on a goldmine here...Won't even need to move up to the HD DVD format, our regular DVDs will all stop working eventually...I better stop before I give them too big an idea ;)
colossus
02-20-04, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by calhoun07
I personally have no problem with this, as I don't copy DVDs and I don't transfer DVD files to my computer to allow people to upload. The only people who would have a real problem with this are those already breaking the law.
Hmmm...your take is kinda black-and-white on this.
I have a problem with this- I don't want my tax dollars used to police a problem in private industry. This is completely, totally, absolutely a crock.
Originally posted by Cocopugg
Their boring interruptions at the beginning of every DVD has done alot to stop piracy so far. It's good to know they'll now delay the start of our movies by several more minutes. That'll help alot.
Like copy protection on software, these copy warnings exist exclusively to punish those that don't have illegal copies.
jough
02-20-04, 04:48 PM
Colossus - the expense would be shifted to the consumer, not your tax dollars. The FBI is simply allowing its IP to be used in stickers produced and paid for by the studios.
GuessWho
02-20-04, 05:05 PM
I'm gonna club these seals
abbatazappa
02-20-04, 05:13 PM
...and UPC symbols did nothing to detract from artwork on magazines when they were introduced in the early 80s. I am totally against any kind of "sticker" on my DVD covers.
drjay
02-20-04, 06:29 PM
Why don't they realize that people who buy DVDs aren't the main copiers...it's rental people that copy. Who would buy a DVD in order to copy it? That's just rather silly (unless you're lending it, which I know I don't do anymore since most people do not respect the disc!).
Jackskeleton
02-20-04, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by drjay
Why don't they realize that people who buy DVDs aren't the main copiers...it's rental people that copy. Who would buy a DVD in order to copy it? That's just rather silly (unless you're lending it, which I know I don't do anymore since most people do not respect the disc!).
So would you be suggesting that two versions of the films be made? One for rental companies and one for retail? With the rental copies being the ones that carry a heavy FBI warning on them and the retail not having much at all? Perhaps you don't lend yours out but it's pretty clear that other people do... As seen in this little article (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/stories/briefs230104)
In either case, this is just a bump on what they are already doing so that they can show you that they mean business and to highlight that it's a FEDERAL crime.
jough
02-20-04, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
As seen in this little article (http://www.cbc.ca/arts/stories/briefs230104)
That's a Canadian article anyway, and you know how THOSE people are. ;)
bodomnet
02-20-04, 10:13 PM
Now as a UK fan it does not affect me really, but they have been making CDs with this copy protected stuff and it has caused alot of bother.
Most did not work in car CD players and older steros.
So lets hope the same issues dont rise with DVD.
davidvp
02-20-04, 10:25 PM
"Speed checked by Rader" sign ...
Doug Rader? The former Houston Astros' third sacker??
:)
RaynMan2019
02-20-04, 10:38 PM
What a bunch a crock o' shite this is! 'Nuff said!
Jackskeleton
02-21-04, 12:38 AM
Nuff said about what? It's a new logo for christ sakes. I don't see why it's an issue and I pirate things. Aye! (oh wait.. perhaps I shouldn't announce that) In any case will this work? Not really, but it's the thought that counts. ;) Will this screw up your dvd? No. it's the same ol' dvd with a nice little logo.
Is this anything on the disc like what they did with CD's a while back which made them non-recordable on PC unless you marked it with a magic marker? No. this is a freak'n logo. some folks just don't seem to get how little this will effect anyone. :p
RaynMan2019
02-21-04, 02:17 AM
If it's just a new logo, what's the big deal? Like I was saying about the 'nuff said remark was reffering to the fact this is being to seriously and which it shouldn't.
eau
02-21-04, 02:28 AM
Let's hope it isn't a permanent sticker on every artwork or digipak.
Jackskeleton
02-21-04, 02:34 AM
yeah, cause that one currently on your dvd's on the back that has FBI in a black box is such an eyesore..
RaynMan2019
02-21-04, 03:36 AM
Agreed 100%!
Okheresthedeal
02-21-04, 05:00 AM
As for the current warnings being used - I have complete faith that the FBI/Interpol screens at the beginning of DVDs have stopped more than a few pirates in their tracks. I just get this picture of walls of DVD burners all loaded and blinking pause, ready to begin their wanton felonious crime spree when suddenly, the prirate pauses and reads the red screen. "Oh my God, Han, did you ever read this thing at the beginning . . . . . "
bodomnet
02-21-04, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by drjay
Why don't they realize that people who buy DVDs aren't the main copiers...it's rental people that copy. Who would buy a DVD in order to copy it? That's just rather silly (unless you're lending it, which I know I don't do anymore since most people do not respect the disc!).
I totally agree with you.. Most of the major pirate groups don't rent I would not say.. but yeah for home use lots of people back them up to divx or vcd, and DVD-R now.
jough
02-21-04, 02:15 PM
I don't know, the new seal could help to IMPROVE some cover art:
http://jough.com/dvdfile/MatrixPiracy.jpg
arthur_dent
02-22-04, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by jough
I don't know, the new seal could help to IMPROVE some cover art
Buy: