This movie is probably my most anticipated movie of the year so far, and I found that Universal has started up a 'zombie army' to tide fans over until the movie comes out.
I think it's a nifty advertising gimmick.
I know that some people are turned off by running zombies, I know I was at first....But honestly, I don't mind. The first Dawn of the Dead is my favorite horror movie of all time, but for some reason I am really open to this remake. Can't wait!
DonnachaOne
02-05-04, 04:42 PM
I don't get this hatred toward "running zombies".
I've always seen zombies as fearsome beings that can spring into action and show great force when necessary. Look at the spooky dude in the cemetery in Night Of the Living Dead, and the biker-zombie fight in Dawn.... Why not the rampaging zombies in Return Of The Living Dead? They're all pretty damn active when they want to be.
Jackskeleton
02-05-04, 04:54 PM
Anti-Running Zombie army member here. :p
the fact that it's a rotting corpse kinda goes against them doing the 100 meter dash in record time. joints and the such are already gone along the lines of use. Sure they can have that final thrust, but to have them run like that.. Blah.
the point of zombie fear is the uncountable numbers no matter how far you run, you will eventually be swamped by them.
In any case, I'll still watch this flick.
Seantn
02-05-04, 04:54 PM
DonnachaOne, exactly. Plus, it makes sense that a freshly dead zombie could move faster than a long time dead one, since their body hasn't had time to stiffen up yet.
March 19th, get here soon!
Charlie Goose
02-05-04, 05:16 PM
Last night I had a dream about zombies, and yes, they were running. I need my blanky. :(
DonnachaOne
02-05-04, 05:27 PM
I like how Jack attempts to rationalize slow-moving zombies. "Their joints are rotting".
Um... they're also dead, Jack.
I wonder would Jack watch Dumbo and say "c'mon, an elephant, with its mass, wouldn't be able to fly more than four feet off the ground".
Seantn
02-05-04, 05:31 PM
I hope Jack isn't dumb enough to say that. With those ears you know it could get a good 10-12 feet.
QuiGonJosh
02-05-04, 06:39 PM
Running Zombies just defeats the purpose of what a Zombie is...it makes no sense at all!
Corvin
02-05-04, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
Running Zombies just defeats the purpose of what a Zombie is...it makes no sense at all!
I hate to get into this argument again. I'm clearly with Seantn and DonnachaOne on this. Trying to rationalize how a zombie would "really" movie? Please.
That being said, if you prefer the slow zombies: fine. Just don't say that's how they "should be" or that's how they "really are."
zero
02-05-04, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Corvin
I hate to get into this argument again. I'm clearly with Seantn and DonnachaOne on this. Trying to rationalize how a zombie would "really" movie? Please.
That being said, if you prefer the slow zombies: fine. Just don't say that's how they "should be" or that's how they "really are."
I dont think Jack is stating thats how they SHOULD be its just a matter of preferance. Those are the kind of zombies he's used to, and thats just how he'd like to see them in this remake. Same can be said about those who prefer classic Star Wars as opposed to the SE's, sure neither version of the films are what they SHOULD be its all a matter of preferance. But lets not discuss Star Wars in a thread about zombies.
Trigger
02-05-04, 10:29 PM
I think if there were running zombies in Empire Strikes Back it would've been the best movie ever.
Corvin
02-05-04, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by zero
I dont think Jack is stating thats how they SHOULD be its just a matter of preferance. Those are the kind of zombies he's used to, and thats just how he'd like to see them in this remake. Same can be said about those who prefer classic Star Wars as opposed to the SE's, sure neither version of the films are what they SHOULD be its all a matter of preferance. But lets not discuss Star Wars in a thread about zombies.
I think you missed what I was also saying.
Originally posted by Corvin
That being said, if you prefer the slow zombies: fine. Just don't say that's how they "should be" or that's how they "really are."
Jackskeleton
02-05-04, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by DonnachaOne
I like how Jack attempts to rationalize slow-moving zombies. "Their joints are rotting".
Um... they're also dead, Jack.
I wonder would Jack watch Dumbo and say "c'mon, an elephant, with its mass, wouldn't be able to fly more than four feet off the ground".
I like how you guys like to point out my rationalization of zombies in every thread.
Look, you may dig it, More power to you. But I personally don't like it. Can you guys deal with that? I haven't bashed to any extreme other then the movement for the film and I have openly said that I will still watch it, twice no less. :p
It's just the bounds of believablity. Much like if Frankenstein started flying and shooting laser beams out of his eyes in a remake.. You will say "Well.. that's not the frankenstein I know!". Zombies, to my knowledge from my viewing of zombie films in the majority have the understanding that they are slow, mindless and are huge in masses. That is the power.. the masses. the weakness is they are slow and thoughtless. I think it becomes a hopeless cause if they all can run faster then a normal human as they seem to do in the trailer. Though I am open to a quick movement every now and then, but it's more of a conserved energy used at one moment type of thing.. though that is just me.
My standpoint is simply I would perfer shambling zombies. they have been what I have come to accept as a good zombie. :p
As for Dumbo. It all depends on how many times he flaps his ears in order to get the air speed velocity going.. also is he a euro or african elephant?
DarthVong
02-05-04, 11:33 PM
I prefer the slow-moving shambling zombies. To me, the whole sprinting thing takes away the "Zombie" look to me. It's like seeing Frankenstein doing Kung-Fu or something......
I'll still see it, but this was a unneeded remake IMO.
Suprmallet
02-06-04, 02:28 AM
Has the 28 Days Later thread already become so dead and buried (pun intended) that we have to discuss slow moving vs. fast moving zombies again?
I agree with Jack all the way on this issue. The scare factor for zombies involves the sheer numbers.
If we suddenly had a Dracula movie where Dracula was played by Woody Allen, and the film was meant to be serious, wouldn't you be a little...put off?
However, my real issue with this movie is that it looks like they've turned into into an action film. I always thought the point of the original is that the people were trying to run away from the reality crashing in around them, not face it head on and blow it up.
Crocker Jarmen
02-06-04, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Suprmallet
If we suddenly had a Dracula movie where Dracula was played by Woody Allen, and the film was meant to be serious, wouldn't you be a little...put off?
'What brings you here so early?' The Baker asks.
'Our dinner date,' the Count answers. 'I hope I haven't made an error. You
did invite me for tonight, didn't you?'
'Yes, tonight, but that's not for seven hours.'
'Pardon me?' Dracula quieries, looking around the room puzzled.
'Or did you come to watch the eclipse with us?'
'Eclipse?'
'Yes. Today's the total eclipse.'
'What?'
'A few moments of darkness from noon until two minutes after. Look out the
window.'
'Uh-oh. I'm in big trouble.'
'Eh?'
'And now if you'll excuse me . .'
'What, Count Dracula?'
'Must be going-AHA-OH GOD . . . 'Franticly he fumbles for the doorknob.
'Going? You just came.'
'Yes-but-I think I blew it very badly . . .'
'Count Dracula, you're pale.'
'Am I? I need a little fresh air. It was nice seeing you . . .'
'Come. Sit down. We'll have a drink.'
'Drink? No, I must run. ER-you're stepping on my cape.'
'Sure. Relax. Some wine.'
'Wine? Oh no, gave it up-liver and all that, you know. And now I really
must buzz off. Ijust remembered, I left the lights on in the castle-bills'll
be enourmous . . .'
'Please,' the Baker says, his arm around the Count in firm friendship.
'You're not intruding. Don't be so polite. So you're early.'
'Really, I'd like to stay but there's a meeting of old Roumanian Counts
across town and I'm responsible for the cold cuts.'
from Getting Even, by Woody Allen.
QuiGonJosh
02-06-04, 06:02 AM
No...IMO...Zombies should move slow...if they dont move slow...their not zombies...
BlackBeauty92
02-06-04, 03:48 PM
<---- love all kind of zombies
slow (romero's), running (28 days later), or even horny & kung-fu zombies (peter jackson's)
:D
Numanoid
02-06-04, 04:05 PM
I'm with Jack. The beauty of the Romero zombie films is that they felt like they were really happening, or could happen. Everything about them, other than the fact that the dead were reanimated, was based in reality. The original even has a very documentary feel to it. I'm confident that Romero wanted to abide by the laws of physics when portraying his zombies, as Jack was alluding to, in order to make us feel even more terrified that something like it could happen.
In movies like Return Of The Living Dead it's perfectly acceptable that the zombies were more active, because that was more of a comedy/satire than a canon living dead film. 28 Days Later gets a pass because they weren't zombies.
BlackBeauty92
02-06-04, 06:23 PM
how about Re-Animator?
the zombies were kind of "out-of-control" :D
Suprmallet
02-07-04, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Crocker Jarmen
'What brings you here so early?' The Baker asks.
'Our dinner date,' the Count answers. 'I hope I haven't made an error. You
did invite me for tonight, didn't you?'
'Yes, tonight, but that's not for seven hours.'
'Pardon me?' Dracula quieries, looking around the room puzzled.
'Or did you come to watch the eclipse with us?'
'Eclipse?'
'Yes. Today's the total eclipse.'
'What?'
'A few moments of darkness from noon until two minutes after. Look out the
window.'
'Uh-oh. I'm in big trouble.'
'Eh?'
'And now if you'll excuse me . .'
'What, Count Dracula?'
'Must be going-AHA-OH GOD . . . 'Franticly he fumbles for the doorknob.
'Going? You just came.'
'Yes-but-I think I blew it very badly . . .'
'Count Dracula, you're pale.'
'Am I? I need a little fresh air. It was nice seeing you . . .'
'Come. Sit down. We'll have a drink.'
'Drink? No, I must run. ER-you're stepping on my cape.'
'Sure. Relax. Some wine.'
'Wine? Oh no, gave it up-liver and all that, you know. And now I really
must buzz off. Ijust remembered, I left the lights on in the castle-bills'll
be enourmous . . .'
'Please,' the Baker says, his arm around the Count in firm friendship.
'You're not intruding. Don't be so polite. So you're early.'
'Really, I'd like to stay but there's a meeting of old Roumanian Counts
across town and I'm responsible for the cold cuts.'
from Getting Even, by Woody Allen.
Don't get me wrong, I love Woody Allen. But again, that's not meant to be a serious horror film. That's obviously making fun of the Dracula story. And it's quite funny. But it's not scary.
zero
02-09-04, 04:07 AM
Originally posted by Suprmallet
Don't get me wrong, I love Woody Allen. But again, that's not meant to be a serious horror film. That's obviously making fun of the Dracula story. And it's quite funny. But it's not scary.
What does this have to do with chocolate?
steebo777
02-09-04, 12:47 PM
<------ Also loves all zombie movies.
Originally posted by BlackBeauty92
or even horny & kung-fu zombies (peter jackson's)
:D
rotfl
Groucho
02-09-04, 12:50 PM
Add me to the list of those pissed off by the running zombies. The movie should be just like every other zombie movie and feature only slow, shambling zombies. We fans of zombie movies demand no originality or fresh ideas!
Jackskeleton
02-09-04, 02:11 PM
My taste for Originality died when solo shot first....
:(
Never Forget!
Drop
02-09-04, 02:27 PM
It's not about originality or fresh ideas. I can dig taking a zombie flick in a new direction, but these running zombies are not cool, not for this type of film, that supossedly respects GAR films, anyway.
The problem with these creatures, is that when they run, they run like (super fast) people would. They no longer seem like dumb, confused, powerful-in-a-hoarde, undead. Instead they look way too determined to be rotting hunks of former humans. They just look like crazy people running in some sort of halloween themed marathon. It takes you(me) out of the situation. There is no hope anymore, one zombie could easily take out a group of people. In GAR's flicks, there was always a bit of hope, always.
That's my side, think what you want.
BlackBeauty92
02-09-04, 02:29 PM
but eher's one zombie that i heven't got a chance to see though...
blondie zombies (from Shock Wave)
italian zombies are super-duper-cool (Lucio's)
but still, Tom Savini's zombies still rule the kingdom
oh, don't forget about pet zombies too (Resident Evil, Re-animator's cat)
ok, how about pop-star zombie? Michael Jackson's Thriller ring some bells
Crocker Jarmen
02-09-04, 02:31 PM
Does anyone else find it funny that Seantn posts about a marketing website for the movie, and there hasn't been a single mention of it in any succeding post? I'll admit, the fast/slow zombie controversy is a hot button issue, but isn't this getting a little out of hand? Are we doomed to debate this for the next several years?
Anyways, has anyone joined 'The Zombie Army' or even taken a look around the website. I had trouble finding much information without signing up first. I get the impression it's going to be a lot of work for a free T-shirt or button.
Seantn
02-09-04, 03:08 PM
Yeah, you're right. After researching more of the zombie army, it's just too much darn work unless you dedicate a week to it. I wanted a poster, or t-shirt, but i might as well just buy one. It'll be a lot easier.
angryyoungman
02-09-04, 05:55 PM
I wish some zombies would run over to this thread and devour it. :)
I looked at the website and I think it is a pretty good marketing gimmick, but it seems like a lot of work as others have mentioned. I would say this is for "hardcore fans only", but wouldn't most hardcore fans of the original be reluctant to support a remake (especially one they haven't seen yet)?
Jackskeleton
02-09-04, 06:22 PM
I personally think Nazi Zombies are higher on the ranking then Running zombies. :p
funkyryno
02-20-04, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Seantn
Yeah, you're right. After researching more of the zombie army, it's just too much darn work unless you dedicate a week to it. I wanted a poster, or t-shirt, but i might as well just buy one. It'll be a lot easier.
I signed up after reading the first post -- what the hell. My contribution to the zombie army amounts to just putting a tiny link in my signature and answering a trivia question on their web site. Maybe I'll get enough clicks where I can get a free sticker. Whoopee! More likely, I'll probably get a warning from the mods. Interesting marketing strategy, though. Isn't this what formed all the hype for "Blair Witch."
BTW: I'm not sold on running zombies either. (This will be my one and only post on that subject.)
Peep
02-20-04, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Numanoid
In movies like Return Of The Living Dead it's perfectly acceptable that the zombies were more active, because that was more of a comedy/satire than a canon living dead film.
Not only could the ROTLD zombies run, but they could speak also. "Send... more... cops...."
What a riot! I actually like the way that zombies were depicted in that series. I also like the (traditional) way that Romero depicted them. I guess my preference is that the zombies stay consistant within the specific franchise.
I'm also likingthe idea of the laser-beam shooting Frankenstein! Hey, if you're building a person, why not through in some extra cool stuff!!
AGuyNamedMike
02-20-04, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
Add me to the list of those pissed off by the running zombies. The movie should be just like every other zombie movie and feature only slow, shambling zombies. We fans of zombie movies demand no originality or fresh ideas!
Fresh ideas? Here's one, make something besides a re-imagining of a zombie flick. Leave the slow, shambling zombies the way they are and go make Fast3r and Furious3r: Th3 Musical if you have a pressing desire to appeal to a certain demographic.
Seantn
02-25-04, 09:36 PM
I've been seeing Tv Spots left and right for this film. They look great.
sracer
02-25-04, 10:12 PM
The fundamental problems with running zombies isn't a physical one... but one of mental capabilities.
If a zombie can run and it can walk, then a there is a choice.
If there is a choice, then there is some decision that needs to be made... "does the present situation require that I run or walk?" That implies intelligence.
This elevates zombies from "pure motorized instinct" to a creature that can think and reason. Bub proves that it is possible, but only under very rigid and controlled conditions.
The other fundamental problem with running zombies is that of "balance"... (from a story perspective).
If zombies can run, then they will quickly overrun the already outnumbered humans. Humans are especially handicapped in this showdown because zombies can only be stopped by a blow to the head. Not to mention that every Human loss will result in a gain for the other side. So you end up with a film that only lasts 15 minutes, or a very contrived plot that artificially prolongs the story to 90-110 minutes.
(edit to add: )
Consider "28 Days Later", due to the high speed and mobility of the infected, encounters with them were very sparse. Nowhere near as much as any Romero film.
Romero is the Einstein of zombie films...
z = HC^2
where:
H = Humans... highly mobile, intelligent
z = zombies... slow moving, no/little intelligence
(C squared... the "Creep" constant... zombies far outnumber humans... a very creepy scenario. :D
Jackskeleton
02-25-04, 10:22 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of shambling zombies. I mean HUGE. I doubt you would find any bigger shambling zombie fan then me.. But I have to bow down to the remake. I already seen it and LOVED IT. love love love LOVED it!
doomeddisciple
02-25-04, 10:43 PM
DOTD is my favourite all time horror movie - I do have a problem with zombies springing to their feet like cats and running after cars.
It's just...wrong! The fastest speed a zombie should be able to be described as moving is a shamble, not Carl Lewis in Corpse paint.
Having said all that - I will of course be watching this film
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