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Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:08 PM
Cementing it's status as one of the best ever.

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:08 PM
:up:

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
Dang, that was close.....

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
should have been caught!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
they should have run a draw there...

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Cementing it's status as one of the best ever. yep

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
They need to run down the clock before they score. Don't make the same mistake the Rams did 2 years ago

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:09 PM
got a couple

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
why can't i get images of Tennessee coming up short out of my head?

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
HUGE play here.

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
3rd and 8

not the best call there

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
Come on Panthers!!!

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
HOLY SHIT
#@()$()!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xanager
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TOUCHDOWN!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TD!!!!

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TD!!!!!!!

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

briank
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
wow!

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TOUCHDOWN!!!

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
HOLY SH!T

fleegs
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
TD!!!!

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
YEAHHHHHHHH!1

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
Go for 2 j/k

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
lotta time left.......

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
Both defenses have just completely fallen apart here.

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
I just wet 'em.

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
go for 2 ;)

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
Somewhere in NE, chrisih8u is having chest pains.

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
GO FOR 2!!! :D

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
WAY too much time left though....can Vinetari get another one?

Chad
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
Looks like it might be the first Super Bowl to ever go into OT!

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:10 PM
1 minute is plenty of time.

on a side note, if the panthers ran the 2 minute drill the whole game, they'd be doing great. seems like they moved the ball effortlessly

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
and he missed it!!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
Freaking awesome game :up:

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
OT Would be so cool.....

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
One minute left.....it's Vinny time?

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
Worst secondary performance in the clutch EVER!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
and he missed it!!

:hscratch:

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
1:08.. 3 timeouts


thats a TON of time

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
Well, time to see what happens next.... wheeee!!!!!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
A minute left for a game-winning FG drive for the Pats...

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
and he missed it!!

rotfl

I would seriously kill myself if that happened to me!

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
If this goes into OT, can we all agree best SB ever?

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:11 PM
how bout that decision to go for two eh? dumbass....

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
YOU CAN DEW IT!!!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
If this goes into OT, can we all agree best SB ever?

I think so

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
and he missed it!! vineteri's 3rd miss?

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Out of bounds :down:

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
KICKED OUT OF BOUNDS?????

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Dammit Kasay!

Time for another Brady INT!

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
what?!?!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
What a mistake by Kasay!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
:lol: Kicks it out of bounds!!!!!!!! :lol:

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Wow.... this time a penalty on the kicker!!!

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
LOL, new record for penalties in a game

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Patman
A minute left for a game-winning FG drive for the Pats...

...or Brady gets picked :D

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
If this goes into OT, can we all agree best SB ever?

I would agree.

Patman
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
Why does that happen to kickers at the end of the game?

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
I smell an interception....

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
PATS ON THE 40!!!

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
adam v will get a chance.. ball at the 40 with 3 timeouts

TERRIBLE KICK

Kasey just killed them

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
Time for a Turnover (fumble this time):up:

shizawn
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
what a great game! never would have thought that would be possible when there was about 5 minutes left in the first half...

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:13 PM
Pats Offense: "Crap, can we get close enough for Vinny?"

Kasay: "Can I be of any assistance?"

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
God, for being one of the least hyped SB's ever, this game ****ing rules!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
1st down!

Chad
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
If this goes into OT, can we all agree best SB ever?

Yes. :up:

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
GO GO GO... oh wait, timeout.

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
ball at the 47
51 secs remaining

tons of time
2 timeouts

Patman
02-01-04, 10:14 PM
They need another 25 yards to get into decent FG range.

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Patman
They need another 25 yards to get into decent FG range.

No prob for the Panthers D

Patman
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
Wow!

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
FLAG!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
Flag on the play

it's commig back!

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
YES!!!!!

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
flag again

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
inside the 30
but its going back

Xanager
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
HA! flag

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
dammit!!!!!!! oh wait....YES!!!!!!!!!! :D

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
HOLY CRAP... oh shoot a flag.

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
shit, flag against the patriots.

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
laundry on the field

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
Yes it's coming back! Off. pass interference!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
Damn!

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:15 PM
LOL pass interference on the offense WOW!!!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
if the Panthers defender had paid attention he'd have a pick there...

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
Nice catch

Patman
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
Wow, great catch!

Chad
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
Nice catch!

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
Nice catch.

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
C'mon defense! Make a friggin stop!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
No! Not a 1st down.

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
nice catch
ball back to the 45

now at the 40
14 secs left

1 timeout remaining

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:16 PM
OMG, can the Panthers play some friggin D....?!?!?!

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
They need about 10 more yards...

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
They need about 10 yards here for a long try.

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
Well, looks like Vinatieri might have a chance to redeem himself...

Patman
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
Anyone getting antsy for Survivor? :D

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
man.....3rd down on the 40....all Carolina needs is one stop and we've got OT for the first time in history.....

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by nickdawgy
OMG, can the Panthers play some friggin D....?!?!?!

nope

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
anyone else think they're going to run a draw?

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
OT OT DELAY SURVIVOR!!!!

:D

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Patman
Anyone getting antsy for Survivor? :D

Not at all :)

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:17 PM
I have never been antsy for Survivor.

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
yes!

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
Pathetic

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
thats it

adam v wins it here

game over

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
40 yarder. Wow.

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
unfrickingbelievable......

Patman
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
Wow! What a great throw!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
Wow...he come the winning try

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
Holy crap... Question is now... Can Vinatieri do it AGAIN?!

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
geez....I would have rather had a blowout then have Vinny kick yet another gamewinner

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
I hope you're right, aftermath!

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
c'mon. block another kick cats

Xanager
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
game

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
only a 40 yard try

Patman
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
This is going to come down to Vinatieri again.

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
a-wha?

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:18 PM
what a sucky way to end......boo Cats!!!!!!!!

Corleone
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
over.

ZakVTA
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Game over....

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Branch has played an MVP-type game

Xanager
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
block baby

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
GGGGGHGHUYGIUBYFYRFCUGCYURXOUBPIGF!!! I can't take it!

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaadam! Aaaaaaaaaaaaadam!

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Let's see what the new cleats do

Patman
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Brady has shown Montana poise tonight.

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
I am eating my own ass now...

Patman
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Come on...

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Matt Millheiser
I am eating my own ass now...

:whofart:

Patman
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
It's ... a timeout.

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by nickdawgy
geez....I would have rather had a blowout then have Vinny kick yet another gamewinner
:up:

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:19 PM
He'll make it..

Patman
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
Come on, cleats, don't let me down!

fleegs
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
Miss it!

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
On the radio, ooh-whoa-oaaaa on the radio, ooh-whoa-oaaaa...

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
Come on OT!! :D

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Patman
Brady has shown Montana poise tonight.

so has delhomme

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
ITS GOOD!!! GAME OVER!!!!!

Twikoff is right!!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
It's good!

Chad
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
FG...now it's over. :D

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
:(

Xanager
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
crap

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
GO V!!!!

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
And the kick is up.................................. IT'S GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
Poop.

4 secs left!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
:yack:

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
thats it

ZakVTA
02-01-04, 10:20 PM
It's good.

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
GREAT GAME!

Chad
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
Damn, I was hoping for OT.

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
I hope He Hate Me can run this back for a TD

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
At least OT would have been sweet.....Panthers lack of D killed them....and penalties of course....

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
I smell a run-back!!!!!!!

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
can we just ban chris now?

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
Gonna see some laterals on this return and probably a flag or two

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
:(

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
HOLY MOTHER OF WHATEVER!!!! HE MADE IT!!!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
Okay, now, we can go back to talk about Janet's boobie.

Low RG
02-01-04, 10:21 PM
Squib kick coming up...

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Unbelievable Super Bowl!

I LOVE SPORTS!!

HistoryProf
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
can we just ban chris now?
:lol:

A two week suspension would suffice I think :lol:

Patman
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Just keep the ball in bounds...

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
can we just ban chris now?

Maybe if we ask real nice.

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Da boobies, da booies are alright!

eatntae
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
John Kasay for Superbowl MVP.

the aftermath
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
IT'S OVER, PATS WIN 2 of 3!!!!!!!!!!!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
It's over!

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
At least the timekeeper didn't allow another 4 seconds to run off like he did against the Rams

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Dumbass..look for a lateral

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
DAMMIT!

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
It's over, it's all over!

Da Thrilla
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Damn

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
IT"S OVER!!!!!! PATS WIN!!!!

Hiro11
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Pats win. Thank God. Now I can sleep tonight.

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:22 PM
Best. Super Bowl. Ever.

Patman
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Poor Bobby Boucher, he did everything to win, but didn't.

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Best. Super Bowl. Ever.

:up:

shizawn
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Congrats to the Pats and their fans.

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
what a crappy way to end a great game

Chad
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Well, it turned out to be one hell of a game!

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
so he bet against the spread and bet the over? ;)

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
2 in 3 years is a dynasty? How about the Broncos of not too long ago?

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
WOW! That was some significant boobage, and naked jiggy guys, and everything!

Patman
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Too bad the Pats didn't cover the spread.

nickdawgy
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Shame the Panthers D had to let them down so much....It's gonna be a long way back to Carolina....

Now we have to hear about how the Pats are the best team ever, showed great poise, Vinny is best clutch kicker ever, etc etc....

chrisih8u
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
*yawn*

15 in a row. Just another Sunday for the Pats.


Superbowl Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Daryl
02-01-04, 10:23 PM
Vinatieri must have had 2 souls to sell

Patman
02-01-04, 10:24 PM
Good thing I padded my recording of Survivor by 30 minutes...

broadwayblue
02-01-04, 10:25 PM
panthers have to blame themselves. why did they call that time out with 1:40 left in the 4th after they made that first down on the patriots 12 yard line? at the very least they should have run the clock down. teams always do that and it usually costs them.

Patman
02-01-04, 10:25 PM
Vinatieri is going to have to change his name to 'Money'.

Hokeyboy
02-01-04, 10:25 PM
Damn, now because of Survivor I won't be able to catch Hotel Erotica. :( :( :(

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by chrisih8u
*yawn*

15 in a row. Just another Sunday for the Pats.


Superbowl Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Please get professional help immediately.

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:25 PM
Kicking the ball out of bounds was the death blow, not the timeout imo

Patman
02-01-04, 10:26 PM
Good night, all! It was an awesome Super Bowl (well, the last 35 minutes were awesome).

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by broadwayblue
panthers have to blame themselves. why did they call that time out with 1:40 left in the 4th after they made that first down on the patriots 12 yard line? at the very least they should have run the clock down. teams always do that and it usually costs them.

thats what i was saying..
between that timeout.. and the kick out of bounds

they handed the game over on a silver platter

chrisih8u
02-01-04, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Please get professional help immediately.


I cant. First I have to celebrate the Patriots winning the Superbowl!! Whoooooo! Who else is going to victory parade?

broadwayblue
02-01-04, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Copenhagen
Kicking the ball out of bounds was the death blow, not the timeout imo

possibly...but you don't call that time out and the pats have 30 seconds less to work with, even with the out of bounds kick.

DGibFen
02-01-04, 10:27 PM
So, who is the MVP?

indianajdp
02-01-04, 10:27 PM
Well damn it all.
I wanted NE to lose...but that FG won me $100.

I feel dirty.

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:27 PM
Reminder: Baseball season starts next month.

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:27 PM
MVP has to be Brady.

schizopak
02-01-04, 10:28 PM
Wow, that was definitely one of the best Super Bowl games (or any NFL game for the matter) that I have ever seen. I was rooting for the Panthers but congrats to the Pats all the same. :thumbsup:

I feel bad for Delhomme as he was incredible.

neiname
02-01-04, 10:28 PM
Fantastic game!!! Go Pats

Preacher
02-01-04, 10:28 PM
Great representation by the Panthers. Yes, that clockwork needs some schoolin' though. For a rookie QB, not so bad. ;)

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by broadwayblue
possibly...but you don't call that time out and the pats have 30 seconds less to work with, even with the out of bounds kick.

That is predicated on them scoring though...They possibly could have run time off that they would have needed.

broadwayblue
02-01-04, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
thats what i was saying..
between that timeout.. and the kick out of bounds

they handed the game over on a silver platter

yeah, clock management so often eludes teams...but it seems so obvious to us. why is that?

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:29 PM
Part 6 for the aftermath http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=344733

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Reminder: Baseball season starts next month.

Pitchers and Catchers report on the 14th for the Yanks and one onther team..the rest on the 21st

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:29 PM
I've got withdrawal already, i need more football but it can be cured until August :(, I know I know the pro bowl but that is such a crappy game

broadwayblue
02-01-04, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Copenhagen
That is predicated on them scoring though...They possibly could have run time off that they would have needed.

i disagree. even if they took the clock down to 1:10 and called time out to get organized they would still have 2 time outs left on the 12 yard line. that is more than enough time from that field position.

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Canadian Bacon
I've got withdrawal already, i need more football but it can be cured until August :(, I know I know the pro bowl but that is such a crappy game
AFL starts next sunday go Sabercats!

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:31 PM
if you really want to analyze

the first 2 pt conv call.. forced the 2nd call.. -2 pts
the score diff caused NE to go for 2.. -1 pt
if it hadnt been for the first failed 2 pt conversion.. odds were on a 3 pt lead going into that final kick and then a tie game..
if everything else had gone exactly as it did


;)

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by broadwayblue
i disagree. even if they took the clock down to 1:10 and called time out to get organized they would still have 2 time outs left on the 12 yard line. that is more than enough time from that field position.

I can agree with that assuming they score quick...either way it is splitting hairs here...had the kick not gone out of bounds I'm sure I'd be in agreement with you :)

Preacher
02-01-04, 10:31 PM
PS: **** the New Jersey Patriots. They could yank the joy out of sex, given some coachin' and a few more 6 yard passes. Brady has the personality of tofu. I cannot stand the fact I have to watch them play so much. And why do their opponents have to screw up in an important moment all the time during their playoff drives. Maybe God became a Patriot fan.

twikoff
02-01-04, 10:32 PM
yea.. Ive been in withdrawals every since the ncaa season ended
the pro game just doesnt do it for me

and what do we have left to look forward to..

the pro bowl? -rolleyes-

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Copenhagen
AFL starts next sunday go Sabercats! I mean real football not arena league

Copenhagen
02-01-04, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Canadian Bacon
I mean real football not arena league

:grunt:

It is real..well sorta..if you take away the barriers, the short field and the nets :)

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Preacher
PS: **** the New Jersey Patriots. They could yank the joy out of sex, given some coachin' and a few more 6 yard passes. Brady has the personality of tofu. I cannot stand the fact I have to watch them play so much. And why do their opponents have to screw up in an important moment all the time during their playoff drives. Maybe God became a Patriot fan. New Jersey Pats???????

Quake1028
02-01-04, 10:33 PM
You can look forward to taking your asses to part 6.

Bacon
02-01-04, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Copenhagen
:grunt:

It is real..well sorta..if you take away the barriers, the short field and the nets :) and the fake grass and the indoor game and the... ... well you get the idea

Patman
02-01-04, 10:38 PM
Hey, I guess the longer cleats worked for Vinatieri!