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tsl141
01-06-04, 11:33 PM
I was expecting Dare Devil to be horrible, it was actually a pretty decent movie(plus Jennifer Garner helped it out a lot), I can't wait for the Directors Cut of this. Hulk on the other hand was unbearable. I almost fell asleep during it. The only decent part was the last 40 mins, and it had a bad ending. With all that being said, I'm not a comic book fan, so I probably didn't get what was going on, or what is supposed to be going on with their characters already developed from the comics and so on. All in all Spider-Man is my hands down favorite out of all the three.

ferociousj2k3
01-07-04, 01:54 AM
I saw Hulk recently and turned it off halfway to it. The origin in the comic book is way different to the one in the movie. I guess that's why I lost interest. It was an overhyped movie. It's just too boring.

bboisvert
01-07-04, 10:05 AM
I finally sat down to watch Hulk for the first time last week. I made it about 45 minutes into it and gave up. As ferocious says, it's pretty radically different than the comic book. And the changes weren't for the better. Plus it is boring, boring, boring. I don't need wall-to-wall action, but at least give me characters/situations I can care about.

Just not my cup of tea.

das Monkey
01-07-04, 11:01 AM
I recently finally got around to watching <b>Hulk</b> myself, and while it was nowhere near a great film, it was also nowhere near as bad as many made it out to be. I have no interest in seeing it again, won't watch a sequel, and won't be digging through the DVD extras, but there were many positive aspects of the film from a couple of very good performances to a wonderful comic feel. I agree with most of Aaron's Review (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=7919). In the end, Hulk's just not that great a character IMO, so it's no big surprise that they couldn't do much with him in this film. Still, I'm glad I saw it, as it's not the 0-star trash I was told it would be.

das

PalmerJoss
01-07-04, 11:35 AM
I have to agree with you, Das. It was an alright movie, but disappointing overall. I've stated this before, but I'm not sure what people were expecting from this movie. The comic book is very introspective, and very dialogue driven which is what the movie turned out to be. The Hulk is not Spiderman folks--he doesn't go around saving people, he rarely fights supervillains, and he spends most of his time as his alter ego, Bruce Banner.

The movie entertained me, but I expected more from Ang Lee which is why I say it was disappointing. It could, and probably should have, been trimmed down about 20 minutes or so. Also, there was some terrible miscasting--Jennifer Connelly as Betty? Eric Bana as Bruce? When your two leads just don't look comfortable in their roles then you have a problem.

Now Daredevil? Terrible movie, and I dislike it more each time I see it. There was terrible casting all around--Ben Affleck, Michael Clarke Duncan, and Colin Farrell were completely wrong for their respective roles. The pacing was way off, and the plot is ludicrous. I'm hoping that the director's cut of this film will make it that much better, so I'll be interested to see what footage Mark Steven Johnson adds to it.

chente
01-07-04, 12:00 PM
The "Hulk Bash" trend continues :(

Zodiac_Speaking
01-07-04, 12:11 PM
Hell, I loved Daredevil.

Hulk was good, but was overhyped and didn't deliver. But I don't deem it unbearable.

devilshalo
01-07-04, 12:24 PM
Daredevil is still the closest Marvel adaption, IMO. Just have to sit thru Bennifer's performance. Read #181 and that MSJ almost seemed like he used it for his storyboards. The rushed romance is what killed it, but I can understand why it was necessary.

tsl141
01-07-04, 01:18 PM
Really the only thing I liked about Hulk was the last 40 mins and the CGI. The whole story itself just seemed bland. I'm not saying Dare Devil wasn't bland, but Hulk just seemed to go on and on with the same stuff in the second hour of the film as it did the first hour. And the whole "mutant poodle" thing just made me want to hate this movie. I guess Hulk dissaponited me the most because I expected way too much from it. As a kid I loved the Hulk character, and I watched the re-runs of the Hulk TV show all the time, so this movie was a huge dissapointment to me mainly from the expectations I had.

Patman
01-07-04, 01:32 PM
I watched all of the extras, and some of it was good, but there's a lot of Ang Lee butt-kissing on there too.

QuiGonJosh
01-07-04, 01:38 PM
I loved em both...pretty simple...

resinrats
01-07-04, 02:40 PM
I always said they tried to turn Hulk into some drama first and the monster second. If I want to see a drama, I'll watch a drama movie. When seeing the Hulk, I want to see the Hulk most of the time doing what the Hulk does best. Smashing stuff and throwing cars. Thats the whole point of going to a Hulk movie. For another example, I don't think anyone goes to a Godzilla movie for the human dramas....they want to see a guy in a rubber suit smash a building or another guy in a rubber suit.

cdollaz
01-07-04, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by tsl141
Really the only thing I liked about Hulk was the last 40 mins and the CGI.

That's interesting. I thought the CGI was horrible and looked silly.

ckolchak
01-07-04, 06:05 PM
i finally got the urge to rent out Daredevil the other night.
i was a big fan of the comic back in the days of Millers original run, and was buying it from the drugstore around the time of the Elecktra storyline.
i have come to hate Ben Affleck as he brings to mind for me the Craig Kilborne school of 'smarmy ass' acting.
and the movie just looked like complete ass to me, so i had no problem resisiting it till now.


after watching the film, i now think i was harsh on Affleck.
he did a pretty competent job with the material- the problem was the part,. like all the others in the film, was underdeveloped.
the court scene was completely laughable and reminded me of a 20 yr old comic book writeres comception of what goes on in a courtroom.
Farrell as bullseye was fun to watch, but again the part was insubstantial.
as was kingpin (i thought Duncun ended up being a good choice, but the part just wasn't interesting).
the biggest crime was the criminal mishandling of the Elecktra story.
the film never earned the right to have Elecktras death mean anything.
it was awful that they ruined such a great storyline by condensing it and shoehorning it into another 'origin' movie.

other than that, there was never a good reason for everybody to be jumping hundreds of feet into the air all the time.

while it wasn't the piercing red hot poker to the eyes i expected it to be, i was a big disappointment, because there were actully some great elements in place for a great movie (and to set up Elecktras death in the sequel where the relationship carried over from two films would have meant something) but alas, it wasn't to be.

Hulk was one of my favorite films from last yr.
i dug the themes and the execution of the material. it hit me in the right way on almost every level.
to me, its right up there with the first Superman, it just had a very different adjenda, and it wasn't really concieved to have little kids cheering in the aisles along with their parents.

jaeufraser
01-07-04, 06:06 PM
Hulk was an ok movie, flawed, sometimes boring, but good with quality effects work (don't start on that one). Daredevil...well, nice costume, but quite frankly one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time. Seriously, that movie was poorly acted, poor action sequences, no transistions, bad writing, bad music...geesh, it sucked.

Hulk at least tried to be a good movie.

fumanstan
01-07-04, 06:20 PM
I enjoyed both movies. Daredevil i enjoyed much more the 2nd time around on DVD, especially after listening to the commentary and the packed special features. Hulk... mixed reactions. Saw it in theaters and bought the DVD. I didn't mind the drama and the action was top notch towards the end. They just really needed to lop off the last 15 minutes between Bruce and his father.

Kal-El
01-07-04, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by devilshalo
Daredevil is still the closest Marvel adaption, IMO. Just have to sit thru Bennifer's performance.

Not to nitpick your post here, but you DO know that Bennifer refers to Affleck and Jennifer Lopez, not Garner? ;)

Anyways, liked them both, but Daredevil moreso than Hulk.

devilshalo
01-07-04, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Kal Jedi
Not to nitpick your post here, but you DO know that Bennifer refers to Affleck and Jennifer Lopez, not Garner? ;)

I used it cuz I didn't think he was manly enough in that film :p

;)

silentbob007
01-07-04, 08:26 PM
Not being very familiar with either comic book, I prefered DD over Hulk. For me DD was a pretty standard comic book movie. Hulk's slow pacing wouldn 't have bothered me so much if the ending would have followed suit. It seemed to me that the filmmakers spent a lot of time on plot and character, yet the action at the end remains unexplained to my ignorant self.

talemyn
01-07-04, 09:14 PM
I'd be curious to see how many people who used to watch the Hulk TV show liked the movie too. Being familiar with both the TV show and the cartoon, I believe, helped me enjoy the movie. I thought it was an interesting mix of the two.


Daredevil on the otherhand, I feel, suffered from trying to bite off too much in the first "episode". For being the intro movie (in that we still needed to meet and get to know the title character), there were too many relationships and they just couldn't develop them all enough to make any of them sufficient. I think that if they had left Bullseye out and focused on Elektra and Kingpin only, the movie would have gone of much better.

Rypro 525
01-07-04, 09:37 PM
I'm also tired of the daredevil bashing, just because Ben Affleck is in the movie, does not mean it automatically sucks. i mean sure, the little matrix inspired playground "fight" was a tad cheesy, but still it is a very good and satisfing movie. I really liked how they fully went into Matt's origin without it going on too long (hulk spent about 40 min on the origin), and the whole sense vision. Also the cgi looked flawless

ckolchak
01-07-04, 09:45 PM
two things i did like about Daredevil-
1) the disconnect in the character about being a "good guy" yet also having this thrist for vengence that actually throws him on the other side of the line along with all the other criminals.
the scene where the kid is frightend of him and that he obsesses over that later was a nice touch.
2) the relationship between Urich and Daredevil hinted at in the end of the movie
"go get 'em Matt".
i really liked that.

its a shame that the film was so dramatically incompatent, as Talemyn said, it bit off much more than it should have.
i could live with the annoying edits in the fight sequences- and i could even live with the soundtrack that makes the movie frequently seem like a WB teen drama,
but trying to throw in so much good material from the books run is a case of 'more' ending up being much much less.

Patman
01-07-04, 10:10 PM
My problem with Daredevil was the structure of the film, and it mainly only had 2 acts, not 3, so by the time you get the end, you fill like you didn't get your money's worth. Hopefully the director's cut will flesh out the story better.

Rypro 525
01-07-04, 10:35 PM
I thought it was 3 acts
act 1 matts origin
act 2 the realationship between elektra and matt
act 3 everything after Elektra's father is killed as you can tell though, i am a little biast for this movie, and will be picking up the dc

tsl141
01-07-04, 11:53 PM
I was pretty dissapointed with the ending of DD. Seemed to leave a open to a sequel, and I think too many films are doing that these days just to get bank. On the other hand after reading what people have to say about Hulk, it seems as if i have to be at least semi-intrested in the comics to enjoy the movie.

CreatureX
01-08-04, 01:18 AM
I also thought both Hulk and Daredevil were going to be bad. I was surprised that I actually liked both movies. Both movies weren't as good as the X-men films, but I would rank them ahead of Spiderman.

devilshalo
01-08-04, 03:13 AM
Here's where I think they went wrong with Daredevil...
After establishing a relationship with Elektra, once her father is killed by Bullseye, we should never see her again until the next movie where she comes back badass and ready to kill (and could also introduce Stick and The Hand). Bullseye drives Elektra away and DD should be mad about it. This is where they should have kept her father as the Greek Ambassador instead of the shipping magnate. And tho I didn't mind MCD as Fisk aka Kingpin, the fight with DD made Kingpin seem like a f'n wussy. Kingpin is supposed to be Lex Luthor with enormous physical strength. Kingpin doesn't need to use his strength and prefers not dirtying his hands. He would have talked DD out of that final fight to come out smelling like a rose.
Still, I admire what MSJ was trying to do, but he was cramming way too many Frank Miller issues of DD into one condensed movie.

QuiGonJosh
01-08-04, 05:40 AM
Well...I think it'll work better in the Directors Cut since they'll have more time to flesh everything out...

Supermallet
01-08-04, 05:45 AM
Daredevil was an okay film. Felt like a generic popcorn movie, you left vaguely unsatisfied, without really knowing why. I would be curious enough to rent a director's cut. As for Ben Affleck, it's true that he has picked a lot of bad roles in bad movies, but I think that, given a good part, he can turn in a good performance, so I don't see him as a minus.

As for Hulk, I refused to see this when it came out. The trailer looked bad, and the special effects looked worse. However, opinions were so decisively split. People either loved it or hated it. I decided I needed to see it for myself, and I ended up loving it. I think it's Ang Lee's best film (that's right, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is the overrated one), and it was all done right. I have since bought the DVD and want to show it to as many people as will watch it. The editing in particular made me love it. Also, when Bruce gets zapped, there's a shot which has glowing green jellyfish things hanging above a desert, and it reminded me of a Dali painting. So extra kudos for that. I was never a huge Hulk fan, so I didn't mind that the film went its own way with the story.

wearetheborg
01-08-04, 06:00 AM
I saw Hulk recently too. Liked the CGI. Hated the split frames. Also Bruce's girlfriend seemed like a bitch in the movie. Hulk saves her, she calls the military, they start bombimg, she goes meekly away. They nuke him, she doesnt say anything. Grrrr. . http://www.mindspring.com/~boycekb/images/Smilies/Grumpy.gif

Jackskeleton
01-08-04, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
Well...I think it'll work better in the Directors Cut since they'll have more time to flesh everything out...

a directors cut of daredevil means more blood. I doubt there would be all that much fleshed out more within a DC of this.. it's as good as it's going to get.

Neitzl
01-08-04, 11:01 AM
I saw both recently, and I had little interest in watching DD while it was in the theaters, also felt the same for Hulk.

I loved Hulk, except for that ending..WTF!, and absolutely hated DD. DD was, to me, just like the old way Marvel did movies. Rushed story, all parts of it, pretty bad acting, terrible directing. Big budget though, but I really didn't notice that. I wanted to turn it off, but I always stick it through, even when I hate the movie. One thing that really bugged me was the use of real comic book "celebrities" last names. I mean, it was everywhere. It was so much more than a "wink wink", it basically slammed your head with a hammer, then went "wink wink". I'm sure most of the public had no clue, but it drove me nuts. Oh and Elektra's training sequence was amazingly laughable.

Hulk I really loved, I went in expecting really bad stuff, especially the CGI, but I was pretty blown away. I didn't mind too much how the origin veered off, I wish the father didn't have as much to do with it though, but the rest was great. Actually, the father angle was the one plotline I could have done without. Changing him into the absorbing man was just stupid. The CGI I thought was amazing. The entire desert sequence made my jaw drop.
The acting was great, I really got into them.

Anyhow, I know I won't be buying a Director's Cut of DD, but if there's more to Hulk, I'm getting it.

Jackskeleton
01-08-04, 11:32 AM
I hear the directors cut of HULK will include an added 40 minutes of hulk sitting and staring at flowers, dirt and other random items found in the desert..

Spiderbite
01-08-04, 04:57 PM
I guess I will put my two cents in as well: I rented Daredevil & Hulk and watched with very low expectations for each.

Daredevil way surpassed my expectations. I actually enjoyed the movie and wasn't offended by Affleck. I thought the acting and special effects for a comic book movie were above par. The sound was terrific. I don't have much of a background with Daredevil but I read some of the funny books when I was a kid. I was more of a Spider-man/Bat-man fan so Daredevil definitely seemed like a not as interesting knock-off.

Hulk fell even below my very low expectations. Terrible movie! Crummy effects, the acting seemed poor (even for a comic book movie) and god-damn it was dull. I mean...I have not been that bored watching a movie in a long time. I was terribly disappointed since I was a big fan of The Hulk as a kid. I read tons of the comic books (around the John Byrne time) and loved the Hulk cartoon on Saturday mornings. I loved the TV show as well (although let's remember...I was a young'un back then).

So...in the end, I really believe it comes down to the story and direction. Dardevil's was decent and Hulk's was quite poor. Again...just my opinion.

mookyman
01-08-04, 07:32 PM
Hulk transcended the expectations of a comic book movie and therefore confounded audience expectations. It will be easier to judge and probably more highly regarded in a few years, when perspective is not clouded by good or bad hype.

Daredevil was fun, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Sure, it was cheesy in places, but so are comic books.

jasonbird
01-08-04, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
a directors cut of daredevil means more blood. I doubt there would be all that much fleshed out more within a DC of this.. it's as good as it's going to get.
Actually I've read that the DC will be more about Matt Murdock
and his in court abilities. that, and I heard they were going to
add a bunch of star wipes...;)

Jason

Painkiller
01-09-04, 12:42 PM
I liked Hulk, it wasn't fantastic, but it was good. Not typical, comic book movie. However, Daredevil, I thought, was just dull. Bad acting and direction.

Commander Dan
01-09-04, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I hear the directors cut of HULK will include an added 40 minutes of hulk sitting and staring at flowers, dirt and other random items found in the desert..

LOL! rotfl



I left the theater thinking Hulk was pretty bad. After finally receiving my DVD for $3 courtesy of KRAFT, I gave the film another a watch.

I discovered the movie was not as bad the second time around, and I think a better movie could have been crafted with the material they filmed. Specifically, I think they should have lost the whole sub-plot of Bruce’s father seeking power. This, of course, would mean the elimination of the incredibly ridiculous ending with the battle between the Hulk and David Banner, and also the “dog-fight” scene.

While I don’t object to the inclusion of the back-story in the film that established David Banner passed on genetic abnormalities to his son, I would likely have left it at that, with Bruce’s father playing little to no more roles in the film.

This would, no doubt, eliminate the character that Lee likely intended as the primary “villain,” but I think the film would have simply played better without him, or with only a minimal role.

Just my 1/5 of a dime; not that it’s worth even that…

Jeraden
01-09-04, 01:57 PM
I'm the opposite of most of you. I didn't care for Daredevil at all. The beginning was interesting where we learned of his history, but I thought the rest was horrible.

Hulk, on the otherhand, I really enjoyed all the way through.

Vespertillio
01-09-04, 03:23 PM
Daredevil: Not bad. Good fun popcorn movie.

Hulk- Terrible except for three things:
1. Jennifer Connely
2. Nick Nolte out-Nolte-ing himself with his speech.
3. Quite possibly the best racking (balls that is) scene I have ever witnessed. It still hurts when I think about it. :)

rushmore223
01-09-04, 04:27 PM
Hmmmm I actually liked the HULK and found DareDevil to be inane. Hulk wasnt perfect, I think Ang tried too hard on this, he should of just relaxed and had some fun with it. But, at the same time, I did enjoy the serious side of it as well.

I would buy HULK for $13 or less. Not great but good.

As for DD, youd have to pay me to take a copy.

BTW, why did DD have to go blind by Toxic Waste? Is that how it was in the comic? Just seems silly, lots of people are blind, does he have to go blind in the most overused comic cliche of all time.

Patman
01-09-04, 04:42 PM
Err, yes, when the radioactive waste hits Matt in the eyes, it blinds him, but heightens his other senses. That's straight out of the comic book origin for Daredevil.

Perhaps Daredevil started the comic cliche.

devilshalo
01-09-04, 04:47 PM
Not too mention that same toxic waste spawned the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. :D

BassDude
01-09-04, 06:20 PM
Chiming in with "loved Daredevil, haven't seen Hulk."

If someone loans me the Hulk I'll check it out. I was a fan of the DD comic series and it turned out to be my fav comic book movie. Loved the lil inside jokes and the "reenactments" of some of the Kevin Smith covers.

The Antipodean
01-09-04, 07:39 PM
I liked DD enough to buy it, wouldn't even rent Hulk again. Read the comics of both for more than 20 years and DD caught much of the spirit of the books, while Hulk missed it by a mile.

TCG
01-10-04, 05:43 AM
another for:
liked Hulk, but
extremely disliked DD.

Fok
01-10-04, 01:59 PM
They shouldn't of made the hulk movie, the TV shows were way better.

jasonbird
01-10-04, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Fok
They shouldn't of made the hulk movie, the TV shows were way better.
:whofart:

Gatsby
01-11-04, 05:48 PM
I liked Daredevil, it's not perfect, but we're talking about a comic book adaptation here...

The Hulk...to put it bluntly was boring, the characters were unlikeable and the ending sucked.

Neither one of these films are better than Spider-Man and X2 is better than all of them.

purplechoe
01-11-04, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by TCG
another for:
liked Hulk, but
extremely disliked DD.

Agreed. DareDevil was TERRIBLE. The worst comic book movie since Dulph Lundgrens (spelling?) The Punisher. Even the Spawn movie was better than that piece of shit. As far as the Hulk, I think it's one of the best comic book movies ever. Up there with the X-Men and Burtons Batman (lets not even talk about the last 2)

ckolchak
01-11-04, 07:36 PM
Actually, the father angle was the one plotline I could have done without. Changing him into the absorbing man was just stupid.

one of the major themes of the film was about confronting & dealing with genetic heredity- the physical/emotional aspects of yourself that you don't like, that you think may be degrading the quality of your life and that were probably passed on to you by your parents.

the film (not the comic) was not about the Hulk going around smashing stuff, although i realize thats what mensa-tardy popcorn munchers were expecting.

so in this instance, some kind of resolution between the father and son was very much needed.
the fact that they could tie this resolution into a fight between Hulk and another super-powered comic book adversary was, imo, a sign that the filmmakers were not condescending to the source material, but were mining it to make a good film that would stand on its own without the benefit of years of backstory to reference.

Gatsby
01-11-04, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Fok
They shouldn't of made the hulk movie, the TV shows were way better.

I agree with this some what...one of the things that made the TV show so good was that we all felt sorry for Bill Bixby's character and wanted him to find a cure for the disease "that dwelled within him" (couldn't pass up on that quote) hehehe...

The Hulk movie Banner was so bland and unsympathetic, he was almost scary (serial killer scary), the dream sequence with him choking the Betty Ross character didn't help...

RaMMaR
01-11-04, 11:51 PM
My main gripe (besides the pacing) w/ Hulk was the OVERUSE of the comic book panel transitions. It was bearable for the first couple of minutes, but after that i was like, "Okay, i get it! It's a comic book movie! Enough already!" :mad:
DD was/is one of my favorite Marvel characters so i liked it more than other people did. Of course, i did have a problem with Michael Clarke Duncan as "The Kingpin," but that faded as the movie went on. The movie could've done without Colin Farrel's over-the-top performance, though. It seemed like he watched the `60's Batman series to prep for the role.
Thanks, Rypro. :o

Rypro 525
01-11-04, 11:59 PM
Michael Clarke Duncan, not Ving Rhames

Rypro 525
02-20-04, 05:12 PM
also, whats with all of the compliants with Duncan as kingpin? the only other one who could have done the role imo would be James Gandolfini, but the sopranos would tie him up.

jaeufraser
02-20-04, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
also, whats with all of the compliants with Duncan as kingpin? the only other one who could have done the role imo would be James Gandolfini, but the sopranos would tie him up.

The problem with Duncan wasn't really his looks or skin color. The problem was that his performance was stupid and one note, and his character did NOTHING. He spends the whole movie in one room, and then Daredevil comes there and beats him up.

God this was an awful movie. Hulk didn't live up to its potential by being a bit too melodramatic and forgetting to create characters anyone truly cared for. It dragged a little and the ending was confusing. But, it was still (imo) a very interesting ovie with the Hulk sequences being quite frankly awesome (I liked the special effects...were they perfect? no...but they looked like the Hulk to me!).

Daredevil on the other hand...was a horrid piece of junk. Bad dialogue, bad acting (Affleck, Garner, Duncan specifically) and really no coherent filmmaking to be seen. Bad transitions, no character development, silly looking action (I'm sorry, but out of the costume Affleck looks ridiculous striking a karate pose). I mean...were we supposed to care when Elektra died? And what is with all of the awful pop rock music?

balancer
02-20-04, 05:51 PM
Rypro, thanks for bringing the thread back :)

Finally got to see Daredevil and I have to say it was much better than I expected. (I guess I've read too many posts like the above). The action was much better than any of the other comic book movies, incuding Spiderman. The acting was not that bad, on par with the genre at the very least. Problems are fleshed out in earlier posts, mainly trying to squish about 5 hrs of material into less than 2 hrs. Compared to the rest of the genre, Daredevil is one of the best.

Rypro 525
02-20-04, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by balancer
Rypro, thanks for bringing the thread back :)

Finally got to see Daredevil and I have to say it was much better than I expected. (I guess I've read too many posts like the above). The action was much better than any of the other comic book movies, incuding Spiderman. The acting was not that bad, on par with the genre at the very least. Problems are fleshed out in earlier posts, mainly trying to squish about 5 hrs of material into less than 2 hrs. Compared to the rest of the genre, Daredevil is one of the best. finally, someone else agree's with me. unfortunatly, we will have to wait till next year, to get the R rated directors cut of daredevil on dvd.

rexinnih
02-20-04, 07:18 PM
I actually enjoyed Daredevil.
Found it to be well paced and with enough action to keep interest throughout.
The Hulk, I really need to see again. I caught it on the plane but really need to view it in a surround sound environment. I applaud Ang Lee for trying to make a "thinking man's" comic movie (that's MHO) but it seems there was a failure with the delivery. And there were problems with the ending.

El-Kabong
02-20-04, 09:26 PM
I think the Hulk was a pretty soild movie marred by a Incomprehensible ending. Aside from the last reel or so, I really enjoyed the movie.

Daredevil, on the other hand was a complete piece of shit. I hated the techno music, the fight choreography, the acting - and the ending. Ok, I dont read DD, so I'm not up on everything about Kingpin, but my god he's a wussie in the film. Total letdown.

But either way, Superman owns both films without breaking a sweat.

RaynMan2019
02-20-04, 09:44 PM
I hope I'm not upsetting fans of the movies of these titles which I almost fell asleep through...
Zoolander (I got very antsy sitting through this for some reason in the theatres. Maybe it was the way I was hoping to see both Stiller and Wilson in this together that got me to thinking it was gonna be something else?)
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (BORING! At least to me it was.)
I have still yet to see both Daredevil and HULK. Although I really enjoyed Ang's The Ice Storm. So who knows until I've actually rented it and watched it!

Vegas9203
02-20-04, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by RaynMan2019
I hope I'm not upsetting fans of the movies of these titles which I almost fell asleep through...
Zoolander (I got very antsy sitting through this for some reason in the theatres. Maybe it was the way I was hoping to see both Stiller and Wilson in this together that got me to thinking it was gonna be something else?)
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (BORING! At least to me it was.)
I have still yet to see both Daredevil and HULK. Although I really enjoyed Ang's The Ice Storm. So who knows until I've actually rented it and watched it!

:whofart:

RaynMan2019
02-20-04, 11:13 PM
never the fu(k you mind... 'cause it's going outta time.

jaeufraser
02-21-04, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by ckolchak
one of the major themes of the film was about confronting & dealing with genetic heredity- the physical/emotional aspects of yourself that you don't like, that you think may be degrading the quality of your life and that were probably passed on to you by your parents.

the film (not the comic) was not about the Hulk going around smashing stuff, although i realize thats what mensa-tardy popcorn munchers were expecting.

so in this instance, some kind of resolution between the father and son was very much needed.
the fact that they could tie this resolution into a fight between Hulk and another super-powered comic book adversary was, imo, a sign that the filmmakers were not condescending to the source material, but were mining it to make a good film that would stand on its own without the benefit of years of backstory to reference.

Yeah, but did you think the father son angle, the drama, was done well? I mean, having a good dramatic story is good and all, and I thought it was a decent idea. But quite frankly, the characters were just stiff and boring, and the resolution of the father son angle was an incomprehensible fight in a lake that ended with...something happening with a nuke.

I mean, I think the movie worked quite well in many ways. In no way would I call it a "bad" film. But it is deeply flawed, not by the editing (I loved that, extremely well done) but by the somewhat piddling dramatic story line. I mean, being dramatic doesn't mean it's GOOD drama. If this movie had worked as it should have, then when we got to Banner Hulking out it would've been after this interesting build up. Instead, I kinda was just going get on with it.

Again, I like the film. But it's a flawed film. It coulda been SOOO good, so I do hope a Hulk 2 comes out. I mean, when Hulk is on screen, I thought the film was dynamic. I lvoed the style, I liked the pacing, I liked the structure. It just dragged at points with an uninteresting plot and a stupid ending.

RaynMan2019
02-21-04, 12:49 AM
I have no idea whatsover why I said what I did. Maybe I was trying to make a quip? I have no clue!

bloopbleep
02-21-04, 04:11 PM
Daredevil was the better of the 2,you cared about Matt Murdock,while the Hulk movie was just plain boring,maybe one of the ten most boring movies I have ever watched,in fact I can`t name another movie as boring.I watched both movies with comic book fans and non-comicbook fans alike,even the non-comicbook fans liked daredevil a little,while the consensus with hulk was "is it over yet"? if you want a good Hulk story go get The Incredible Hulk - The Television Series Ultimate Collection on dvd or The Incredible Hulk - Original Television Premiere dvd.Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno did it right,at least director Kenneth Johnson made you care about the characters.Kenneth Johnson should direct HULK 2.just my 2 cents.

n0fear88
02-21-04, 05:54 PM
i loved both movies. At the cinema and on dvd :) :banana:

Dr. DVD
02-21-04, 06:22 PM
I thought Hulk was true to the modern comic in its style and form, and aside from the last 15 minutes, I never had any real problem with it.


Daredevil on the other hand, well, just cut and past what all of the other detractors said and you have my opinion of it. ;)