Troy looks like it will be blockbuster crap

[metaridley]

I'm not sure what the general consensus of DVDtalkers is about the upcoming epic film "Troy", starring none other than Brad Pitt. After having seen the trailer numerous times, I bet that this will movie will suck. Why, you ask? Well, here's my reasons, based solely upon the trailer:

1. The opening scene with the ship fleet. Sure, it's impressive initially, but then you realize that the scene in which there are a seemingly endless number of battle boats in the water almost certainly never happened. If a history buff would like to correct me with a source, then by all means, go ahead. But it looks like there will be more Hollywood-style battles that never could of happened in history coming our way soon.

2. The actors are all hunky males sure to make the ladies swoon but look out of place in an epic such as this. Brad Pitt looks like...Brad Pitt. Orlando Bloom looks like...Orlando Bloom. And so on and so forth down the primary cast list. If these guys can't convince me that they look like they belong there (such as Russell Crowe in Gladiator or Mel Gibson in Braveheart), then why were they cast? Oh yeah, to get more asses in the seats. Anyway, it really does look like that they've done is called a bunch of these stars down, had 'em strap on some ancient battle gear, and then said, "Say your lines".

3. Orlando Bloom is too effeminate as Legolas in Lord of the Rings for me. He was bland in Pirates of the Caribbean. So of course he's cast in Troy. And that glimpse of a SoCal-looking girl dropping her dress for him is pretty groan-inducing. All of the women in this movie look obscenely hot, which is normally fine, except that I'll bet women didn't look *that* good in ancient times.

Basically, I guess this movie looks *really* fake from the trailer. Plus, it seems to be nothing but a piece of demographic programming. What are your opinions?

[SunMonkey]

Originally posted by metaridley
What are your opinions?
My opinion is you lost any chance at an engaging discussion of your "points" when you posted this:

Orlando Bloom is too homosexual as Legolas in Lord of the Rings for me. :rolleyes:

[Breakfast with Girls]

Apparently I missed the part where Legolas got it on with Gimli.

[Terrell]

Well, I wouldn't go that far. But I've never thought Orlando Bloom was a good actor. He's pretty stale and not convincing whatsoever. He was the weak performance in LOTR, although he really does nothing but hang around. Although I loved Pirates of the Carribean, Johnny Depp acted him off the screen.

I do agree however that Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom don't even come close to convincing me they are great warriors, gladiators, whatever. Russell Crowe did. But then he's a fairly big guy and a hellacious actor. As far as Eric Bana, he's a better actor than both Pitt and Bloom. Still to be determined if he's right for this role.

Having said that, I will most certainly give this movie a chance. But I do agree your homosexual comment was unwarranted.

One last thing. What I've seen of Troy looks 10 times better than Oliver Stone's Alexander. So far this thing looks like a damn cheesy gay porn movie, and the casting is terrible. Jared Leto, Collin Ferrell, Angelina Jolie, and Val Kilmer. HELLO!!! This is awful casting for an epic film about Alexander the Great. Oliver Stone looks out of his element here.

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[cross]

1) Having read the Iliad many times and it being one of my favorite books, I'm actually looking forward to the movie. According to the book, Helen is "the face the launched a thousand ships." I was not only looking to see this scene, I was happy and amused that I was able to see it in the trailer. I thought it was cool , even bordering on amazing.

As for requesting a history buff's advice, historians and archeologists are actually still actually looking to find the site that Troy might have stood on, let alone existed. The Trojan War is mythology. Its no more real than King Arthur and his Round Table is.

2) In Greek Mythology heros and royality were, with a lack of a better word, handsome and beautiful. Hektor (Bana), Paris (Bloom), Achillies (Pitt). Not only were they written to be amazing in battle (well, maybe not Paris), women most definitely swooned at their presence.

I'm sorry tho, I don't understand you completely. After watching Gladiator and Braveheart, I still think Crowe looks Crowe, and Gibson looks a lot like Gibson. I doubt Crowe would look a lot like Maximus if one such character even existed and Gibson most definitely doesn't look anything like the real Wallace.

3) Sorry, this might be a spoiler, I dunno since I have no idea what the movie covers or explains.

This women that you say is "obscenely hot." Well she better be. Helen is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world. The fact that she would "drop her dress" for him, occurs because she is under the spell of Aphrodite (The Greek Goddess of Love) and she is basically awarded to Paris.

Course the movie probably won't go into that and probably will end up just saying Helen and Paris are actually in an adulterous affair of some sort.

As for you thinking Bloom is homosexual .. well I dunno ... if you've seen Spartacus, it could be.

Wraping up:
1) The movie is based on myth , not history
2) I hope the movie rocks and does well
3) I'd be careful about making comments about "demographic programing" cause comments like this show more about original poster than he probably wants to reveal.

[Jericho]

Originally posted by metaridley
1. The opening scene with the ship fleet. Sure, it's impressive initially, but then you realize that the scene in which there are a seemingly endless number of battle boats in the water almost certainly never happened. If a history buff would like to correct me with a source, then by all means, go ahead. But it looks like there will be more Hollywood-style battles that never could of happened in history coming our way soon.

I'd agree that it doesn't seem realistic. But it does help represent how epic it was. And has been stated Helen was the "face that launched 1000 ships". Although it's not like there is really and great historical accuracy from history that old. Still, seems a bit nit-picky to me

Originally posted by metaridley
2. The actors are all hunky males sure to make the ladies swoon but look out of place in an epic such as this. Brad Pitt looks like...Brad Pitt. Orlando Bloom looks like...Orlando Bloom. And so on and so forth down the primary cast list. If these guys can't convince me that they look like they belong there (such as Russell Crowe in Gladiator or Mel Gibson in Braveheart), then why were they cast? Oh yeah, to get more asses in the seats. Anyway, it really does look like that they've done is called a bunch of these stars down, had 'em strap on some ancient battle gear, and then said, "Say your lines".

Yeah, but this is true of ANY Hollywood movie. Besides the gods were involved. Of course these people will look good. I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for though. I mean it's a trailer and you're making some pretty sweeping generalizations already.

Originally posted by metaridley
3. Orlando Bloom is too homosexual as Legolas in Lord of the Rings for me. He was bland in Pirates of the Caribbean. So of course he's cast in Troy. And that glimpse of a SoCal-looking girl dropping her dress for him is pretty groan-inducing. All of the women in this movie look obscenely hot, which is normally fine, except that I'll bet women didn't look *that* good in ancient times.

Again, see above. It's true in pretty much all movies to use better looking actors. It helps fill seats as people don't like watching ugly people. I don't know what to say about the gay thing though. I guess my gaydar when watching LOTR

In whole, I'm pretty optomistic. Wolfgang Peterson usually does good work and Brad Pitt has done a good job in choosing interesting projects. An obviously the story is pretty compelling. All in all, it has the ingredients of a good movie

[clemente]

I'm sorry dude, but it just seems that you don't want to like the movie and have constructed these reasons as to why it won't be good.

I won't go into anymore detail, because the past few post have done a bang up job of debunking your first two points...and the third point just doesn't merit a response.

I'll wait till I see more than 60 seconds of footage before I decide.

[Ian11]

Overall, I agree with most of the posters so far. Troy looks promising but I do have my doubts. The opening scene from the preview of the endless sea of ships looked phony and digital not awe inspiring. In general it does look like a tarted up made for TV mini-series but the fact Wolfgang Peterson is directing is giving me hope.

And Legolas is an elf. When he's not busy killing orc he's too busy baking magical crackers. He's got little time for shagging other elves or anything else.

[talemyn]

Several things . . .

1) Excellent points, cross . . . I was going to make some of the same comments myself, but you seemed to have gotten it covered. Nice to see another Greek mythology fan around. :D

2) Lot's of ships - Well, I'll admit that there are more than I would have expected to see, but like cross and Jericho said, Helen was the face that launched a thousand ships. When that is all you have to go by (no historical records on this one), then you use "a thousand ships". Makes sense to me.

3) Time for a little defense of Mr. Pitt and Mr. Bloom and their acting skills . . .

- Orlando played Legolas perfectly. Legolas is an elf. Elves are delicate, peaceful, reflective, quiet, unassuming, philosophical, playful, nature-loving, etc. . . . and understated badasses when they need to be. I think that Bloom nailed that role, but I also think that in order to do so, he had to act in that fashon that could, conceivably come off as what you saw to be "homosexual" and/or doing "nothing but hang(ing) around". His character was suposed to be one of the more subtle ones and I think that he got it exactly right. He also did pretty well in Black Hawk Down.

- Brad Pitt . . . bad actor? Have you seen 12 Monkeys? Snatch? Two films in which he was absolutely amazing. Not to mention the solid jobs that he did in The Devil's Own, Se7en, Interview With The Vampire, and True Romance.

While I understand why people dislike guys like these because of their "pretty boy" status, don't transfer that personal dislike onto their acting skills . . .

As for the movie . . . I am looking forward to it. There really hasn't been a very good adaptation of Greek mythology since Clash Of The Titans and even that left something to be desired.

Edit: Crap!!! I can't believe that I forgot Fight Club as another example of superb acting by Brad Pitt . . . :mad:

[Mourn]

As for requesting a history buff's advice, historians and archeologists are actually still actually looking to find the site that Troy might have stood on, let alone existed. The Trojan War is mythology. Its no more real than King Arthur and his Round Table is.


Um, they found what they think was Troy more than a century ago.

Anyhow, the heros in the Iliad were more than regular men, so them being unusually good looking is fitting. Whether Pitt and Bloom can pull it off is up for debate.

Still, those alexander pics are terrible...I dont know what they were thinking of casting Collin Farrel as alexander.

[Kal-El]

I'll bet women didn't look *that* good in ancient times

And you can make this bet....how?

Anyway, cool. One more seat in the theater and one less patron bitching behind me that I have to shush.

In summary, I think Brad Pitt is a good actor and most(not all, mind you) are just jealous of how good the guy looks and that he wakes up with Jennifer Aniston in his bed every day. And TROY for me looks Amazing. I'm there opening day.

[Terrell]

While I understand why people dislike guys like these because of their "pretty boy" status, don't transfer that personal dislike onto their acting skills . . .

No, neither one of them can act in my opinion. I've never seen Fight Club. Never had any desire to. The guy just doesn't convince me he has the chops, and it has nothing to do with his looks. Neither has Bloom. But that's just one man's opinion. Your's may differ.

[Saxofonix]

Originally posted by Terrell
No, neither one of them can act in my opinion. I've never seen Fight Club. Never had any desire to. The guy just doesn't convince me he has the chops, ...

.. Twelve Monkeys ??

[mee2]

It's a fantasy film. It's like pointing out the fact taht young Arthur was too frail and weak to have been able to draw the sword from teh stone in Excalibur....

[talemyn]

Originally posted by Terrell
No, neither one of them can act in my opinion. I've never seen Fight Club. Never had any desire to. The guy just doesn't convince me he has the chops, and it has nothing to do with his looks. Neither has Bloom. But that's just one man's opinion. Your's may differ. Just out of curiosity (not being sarcastic, truely just wondering), what Brad Pitt movies have you seen?

[fumanstan]

Troy actually looks pretty good to me, reminds me of Gladiatior. I know Gladiator is hated by more then a few people on these forums, but personally, if Troy is anything like it i'm sure i'll love it.

[Buck Turgidson]

Under the right circumstances, I can see Farrell as Alexander (who was a very young man, and generally depicted as rather handsome and striking), but what is with the blonde dye job?

[Terrell]

Just out of curiosity (not being sarcastic, truely just wondering), what Brad Pitt movies have you seen?

Three you mentioned. Seven! In that movie, a prime example of this is his completely inability to convince me he was shocked and grief-stricken when John Doe told him he took his wife's pretty little head. All he could do was scream out "oh god" in a lame tone. Cheesy as hell. I loved that moment and I like the film a lot. But it had more to do with the story, Morgan Freeman, and Kevin Spacey.

In the Devil's Own, his accent was one of the worst I've heard. Only one I've heard worst is Kevin Costner's attempt at an English accent in Robin Hood. Didn't think his performance was particularly strong there.

Interview With A Vampire! Don't get me started.

Also Meet Joe Black, Legends of the Fall, and 12 Monkeys. A few others as well. What can I say. Color me unimpressed with his acting talent. Considering my favorite actors are Al Pacino, Russell Crowe, Kevin Spacey, and Harrison Ford, you can see why.

[talemyn]

Originally posted by Terrell
Three you mentioned. Seven! In that movie, a prime example of this is his completely inability to convince me he was shocked and grief-stricken when John Doe told him he took his wife's pretty little head. All he could do was scream out "oh god" in a lame tone. Cheesy as hell. I loved that moment and I like the film a lot. But it had more to do with the story, Morgan Freeman, and Kevin Spacey.

In the Devil's Own, his accent was one of the worst I've heard. Only one I've heard worst is Kevin Costner's attempt at an English accent in Robin Hood. Didn't think his performance was particularly strong there.

Interview With A Vampire! Don't get me started.

Also Meet Joe Black, Legends of the Fall, and 12 Monkeys. A few others as well. What can I say. Color me unimpressed with his acting talent. Considering my favorite actors are Al Pacino, Russell Crowe, Kevin Spacey, and Harrison Ford, you can see why. Hmmm . . . okay . . . I still can't agree, but . . . okay . . . :)

. . . although, I must say I am really suprised by the fact that you didn't enjoy his performance in 12 Monkeys. I found it to be one of the most impressive acting performances of any actor in a long time.

[badger1997]

There seems to be an awful lot of judging this film based off what is essentially a teaser trailer. The movie doesn't even come out until May 2004 and the trailer really didn't show much of anything. I was looking forward to this one before the trailer because I have read the Illiad so many times and while the trailer didn't knock my socks off, it did nothing to make me not interested in seeing this one.

[QuiGonJosh]

This movie looks amazing! Great cast...PETER O'TOOLE!!!! Great director...and you cant really ask for a bigger and more epic story.

[movielib]

Originally posted by Mourn
Um, they found what they think was Troy more than a century ago.
...

True, and nobody thought there was any truth to the Iliad before that.

And while there is probably a core of fact to the story of the Trojan War there is obviously an enormous amount of myth overlaid in the Iliad.

[Goldberg74]

I was just wondering why they didn't show...Hector being drug around Troy by Achilles' chariot?... in the trailer? I thought that is what you are supposed to give away major plot points in a teaser nowadays... ;)

But I really wonder how they are going to treat that scene on the silver-screen. It was very well done in the Odyssey (mini-series) back in 1997 while kept in line with studio guidelines for violence and gore.

[Penny Lane]

I've been looking forward to this movie since I learned that they were making it. However, I'm wary of the title Troy, as opposed to The Iliad. To me that suggests the possibility of more of a freedom with the plot. I have heard that the gods won't be included, which disappoints me. BUT, I'm still excited about seeing the movie. I don't see what's so wrong with the casting.


Originally posted by metaridley



3. Orlando Bloom is too homosexual as Legolas in Lord of the Rings for me. He was bland in Pirates of the Caribbean. So of course he's cast in Troy. And that glimpse of a SoCal-looking girl dropping her dress for him is pretty groan-inducing. All of the women in this movie look obscenely hot, which is normally fine, except that I'll bet women didn't look *that* good in ancient times.


It's a good thing, then, that Orlando Bloom is playing Paris and not one of the stronger warriors. Then it would be much less believable. Paris always struck me as much less powerful with much less strength of character than the others. After all, he did get Helen by proclaiming Aphrodite was the most beautiful of the goddesses, preferring to receive love over the intelligence and strength in battle that might have been his reward for choosing Athena, or whatever else Hera might have rewarded him with.

As far as the women go, I think they are appropriately "hot." Helen, of course, would've been gorgeous, and Briseis was also stated as "very beautiful." I'm not really sure what other women are supposed to be in the movie, though, so I can't say anything for them.

[scroll2b]

Originally posted by Mourn
Um, they found what they think was Troy more than a century ago.

Anyhow, the heros in the Iliad were more than regular men, so them being unusually good looking is fitting. Whether Pitt and Bloom can pull it off is up for debate.

Still, those alexander pics are terrible...I dont know what they were thinking of casting Collin Farrel as alexander.


Troy has long been discovered in Turkey. As for Collin Farrel - who the hell ever allowed that guy into Hollywood films? Was there EVER a film in which he proved he was a good/great actor? If anything, I think he's riding the "bad-boy" coat tails of Russell Crowe. Otherwise, there's no reason to see this guy in ANYTHING.

I haven't seen the trailer for Troy, but everything is done digitally these days. We'll most likely never see a fleet of a thousand anything. Ever.

Finally........... Orlando Bloom gay in LOTR? Are you sick? There's was nothing wrong in LOTR, especially something as overt as you describe. I think some people in here are a little jealous that he's the hot new thing, and on of the most emailed celebrities at Yahoo. (BTW, does Collin have that pull, at least? NO!)

[Groucho]

I love this forum...it's full of psychics who can review films they haven't even seen.

[cross]

Originally posted by scroll2b
Troy has long been discovered in Turkey.

Actually a site has been discovered, but its never been confirmed either proven or disproved. If the mythology actually occured, Troy was burned to the ground and his walls were demolished completely. Over the years hundreds of cities were built on the same foundation that Troy is supposed to be on, including Constantinople and even modern day Istanbul. If there's any proof that Troy actually existed, all the evidence is highly debatable.


Trust me, I minored in Greek Lit. in college. I've pretty much watched and read every book and documentary trying to prove and disprove the existance of the Trojan War.

Like I said before, if you believe Troy exists , so does Camelot based on the same theory.

PS.
The only thing that I wish they did ( sorry Groucho ) was cast Russel Crowe as Odysseus, which I think he matches perfectly for.

That would basically guarentee Crowe to play Odysseus in the Odyssey and guarentee an awesome sequal if Troy turns out to be great.

[Ravenous]

Originally posted by metaridley

3. Orlando Bloom is too homosexual as Legolas in Lord of the Rings for me.

Wow, you just proved your ignorance with one sentence. Go away...

[drunkrob]

I thought Orlando Bloom did a good job in the LOTR but he was terrible in POTC. I'm looking forward to Troy but I too was a little worried by the fact the trailor seemed to use the looks of the cast to sell us the movie. Still, like most sensble people, I will reserve judgement until I have seen it.

[Groucho]

Originally posted by drunkrob
I thought Orlando Bloom did a good job in the LOTR but he was terrible in POTC.Disagree completely. He nailed the old-fashioned "swashbuckling hero" to a T.

[matome]

We all know big budget Hollywood movies are automatically terrible. :rolleyes:

[drunkrob]

Originally posted by Groucho
Disagree completely. He nailed the old-fashioned "swashbuckling hero" to a T.

Disagree. He was a terrible one tone cheese machine. Actually I reckon a block of cheese could pull off more expressions in a 2 hour movie. Then again most actors would look poor alongside Mr. Depp.

[Terrell]

There seems to be an awful lot of judging this film based off what is essentially a teaser trailer.

I'm not judging the film, only the cast. I'm still not sure if a thin, pretty boy can convince me he is the warrior to lead a war. Eric Bana, I'm not sure. He's a good actor and I think he'll be fine as Hector. I love Peter O'Toole being in the film. The rest of the cast looks fine, although I'm still unsure if the actress playing Helen can pull off that big of a role.

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by Terrell
I'm not judging the film, only the cast. I'm still not sure if a thin, pretty boy can convince me he is the warrior to lead a war.

Are you talking about Brad? I don't think "thin" is the appropriate word to describe him in the movie. If you're talking about Bloom, well, he's not the one leading the war.

[jarofclay73]

"The Last Samurai" also looked really bad from just the trailer. But it was pretty good.

I'll reserve opinion until after I see the movie (if I do go and see it).

[metaridley]

Wow, I sure kicked the "Lord of the Rings sacred cow" square in the testicles, didn't I? That can be the only thing that explains why all of the LOTR fans are swarming to the defense. Look, just because I think Legolas could have been played by a more believable and less feminine-looking actor, doesn't mean I instantly negated my entire post. If that's the way you feel, the go back to your Tiger Beat magazines and Orlando Bloom websites, because I'm not interested in hearing *your* opinions either.

As for those who are mature enough to hold a discussion with a person who actually doesn't really care about Lord of the Rings, I will respond to your points.

First of all, I am not a history buff, hence why I specifically called for people who *had* that kind of knowledge to correct me if I was wrong. And I thank you for your replies. I wasn't aware that Troy is a fantasy movie along the lines of how King Arthur is a made up story. Well, then I will give the movie a little more lienency in how realistic it is.

As for Orlando Bloom, I don't hate him, but he just doesn't do anything for me. I keep thinking that he has good parts that could be vastly improved by a much better actor. And as I said before, he looks too feminine to me, much like Leonardo Di Caprio does, to play the kinds of roles he is usually cast in. I'm sorry if your opinions differ, but I quote Jack the Man from Mars Attacks: "Can't we all just...get along?"

And don't get me wrong. I like Brad Pitt. He was great in movies such as Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, and Se7en. But those are TOTALLY different films from what Troy is. See my point? I think he's good in some roles, but will probably not be good in "Gladiator-esque" epic hero roles.

I never see a movie expecting it to suck or be great. Expectations are everything, and I give every movie a fair shot. So no, I have not made up my mind. I'm just offering an opinion of how the film looks from the trailer, something I stated profusely in my first post. If some of you can't distinguish between that and me giving a final analysis of the movie even before it's finished, then please check yourselves out of the thread as well. I'm not reviewing anything, so don't bother with the corny insults.

And finally, women back in those days didn't have all the image-enhancing services and products that they do today. That's partially why I'm always skeptical when I see a woman in an epic movie who looks like a Hollywood star just stepped onto the set and started acting.

In conclusion, I seriously dislike it when people on message boards start blasting others away because they have a different opinion in movies than they do. I'm not very happy to see a lot of people I respect on a message board I enjoy attacking me simply because I stepped forward with an apparently unpopular opinion on a movie trailer for Troy. Sheesh.

[metaridley]

One last thing: I've become rather good at judging movie trailers these days, especially because most of them turn out to be accurate depictions of whether or not the movie will be good. The Hulk's trailer made the movie look bad, and I thought it was. Same for Cat in the Hat, Timeline, and countless other trailers for movies that have been released in the past few years.

A rare exception is Pearl Harbor's trailer, which was excellent, and really got me pumped up to see the movie.

And then I did. And needless to say, I was severely disappointed.

[talemyn]

Well, I'm not sure if you considered me a "Tiger Beat magazine" reader or "mature enough to hold a discussion", but I'll add a few points. :DOriginally posted by metaridley
First of all, I am not a history buff, hence why I specifically called for people who *had* that kind of knowledge to correct me if I was wrong. And I thank you for your replies. I wasn't aware that Troy is a fantasy movie along the lines of how King Arthur is a made up story. Well, then I will give the movie a little more lienency in how realistic it is.I don't know if "fantasy" is exactly accurate to describe the story . . . more like "legend". The funny thing about mythology is that it is, generally, based on factual events, but 1) they are embellished to make for a more epic story (e.g., Achilles being magically invulnerable except for his heel) and 2) they encorporated their mythological/religous beliefs into the stories to explain things that they could not explain otherwise. As such, generally, there is usually some truth in the stories, but nothing concrete. Additionally, as the stories got past down through the generations, they have changed as they went along leading to different versions of the same story depending on who you ask.

Long story, short . . . it is essentially impossible to create and "accurate" version of the Trojan War story.Originally posted by metaridley
As for Orlando Bloom, I don't hate him, but he just doesn't do anything for me. I keep thinking that he has good parts that could be vastly improved by a much better actor. And as I said before, he looks too feminine to me, much like Leonardo Di Caprio does, to play the kinds of roles he is usually cast in. I'm sorry if your opinions differ, but I quote Jack the Man from Mars Attacks: "Can't we all just...get along?"As for my comments about Bloom in LOTR, I sort of sensed by your comments, that you were someone who "doesn't really care about Lord of the Rings", so I was trying to explain that to play an elf "effeminately" is actually not inappropriate based on the general characteristics of elves. I guess the question is, did he play it that way purposefully, or is that the way he just happens to act and it suites the style of an elf in LOTR? It's been long enough since I've seen POTC, that I can't really remember his performance there, but I do remember him doing a pretty good job in Black Hawk Down. If he can play a 20th century U.S. soldier well, hopefully he can do a Trojan warrior too. :) Plus, remeber he is playing a prince and royalty are not always known for being rugged and masculine (think River Phoenix in Gladiator . . . his character thought he was much more of a badass than he really was).Originally posted by metaridley
And finally, women back in those days didn't have all the image-enhancing services and products that they do today. That's partially why I'm always skeptical when I see a woman in an epic movie who looks like a Hollywood star just stepped onto the set and started acting.I think this really breaks down to which is more important . . . making the movie accurate to the times or true to the idea of the story. Yes, without the skin care and make-up products, the women may have looked a little rough by todays standards, but in the story they are intended to be beautiful women by the Ancient Greek standards. If you want the movie to be accurate to the times, then you show the women the way they may have actually looked. If you want to be true to the story, then it makes sense to "translate" the idea of beautiful women by their standards to our standards to get the point accross.

Anyway, I am optimistic (mostly because I would like a movie based on Greek mythology to be made well and to succeed), but, these days, I try not to get my expectations set too high with ambitious movies. I seem to enjoy them more when I am not expecting them to do really well.

[Corvin]

Originally posted by metaridley
One last thing: I've become rather good at judging movie trailers these days, especially because most of them turn out to be accurate depictions of whether or not the movie will be good. The Hulk's trailer made the movie look bad, and I thought it was. Same for Cat in the Hat, Timeline, and countless other trailers for movies that have been released in the past few years.

Ah, now it's all so clear. He's totally right. Troy is going to suck.

I mean, I know I thought Cat in the Hat was going to rock. And look what happened? Same deal with Timeline! I know I was expecting both to be great films, and look what how things turned out. Timeline gets the "disappointment of the year" award from me. I sure wish I had your foresight. . .

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by metaridley
And finally, women back in those days didn't have all the image-enhancing services and products that they do today. That's partially why I'm always skeptical when I see a woman in an epic movie who looks like a Hollywood star just stepped onto the set and started acting.


Wow. Talk about someone who obviously hasn't been around beautiful women. News Flash: There ARE beautiful women who are beautiful even without the "image-enhancing services that we have today". Heck, I even think the reverse is true. Women back then WERE more beautiful cuz everythine else was purer. The air, the water, etc. It's been said already but I'll say it again, we're talking about the "face that launched a thousand ships" here. By your logic, let's make her homely looking?

It's funny how you say you "don't really care about LOTR" and yet illustrate a point clearly AGAINST it in your post. That was flame bait for any and all LOTR fans anyway you look at it and you know it.

[metaridley]

Originally posted by Corvin
Ah, now it's all so clear. He's totally right. Troy is going to suck.

I mean, I know I thought Cat in the Hat was going to rock. And look what happened? Same deal with Timeline! I know I was expecting both to be great films, and look what how things turned out. Timeline gets the "disappointment of the year" award from me. I sure wish I had your foresight. . .

Oh, come on. Would you stop jumping to conclusions and going out of your way to insult me? Who are you trying to impress? I said that I'm pretty good at predicting whether or not *I* like a movie by the trailer, not whether the movie is "officially" good or bad. Do you actually believe I am so conceited that I think my opinion is the end all, be all of movies? I wish you would have spent your time making a useful reply, instead of finding one statement I made and twisting it so you could bash me.

[metaridley]

Originally posted by Kal Jedi
Wow. Talk about someone who obviously hasn't been around beautiful women. News Flash: There ARE beautiful women who are beautiful even without the "image-enhancing services that we have today". Heck, I even think the reverse is true. Women back then WERE more beautiful cuz everythine else was purer. The air, the water, etc. It's been said already but I'll say it again, we're talking about the "face that launched a thousand ships" here. By your logic, let's make her homely looking?

It's funny how you say you "don't really care about LOTR" and yet illustrate a point clearly AGAINST it in your post. That was flame bait for any and all LOTR fans anyway you look at it and you know it.

What did I ever do to you? Have I broke into your house, stolen your DVD collection, and murdered your family? Have I even scratched your car? No? Then why are you, like a few others, trying to bash my head into a brick wall? I guess politeness and helpfulness is something that you lack when replying to other people's posts.

Anyway, of course I believe a woman can be beautiful without image-enhancing products. However, the point I was trying to make is that there are many women who wouldn't look nearly as good without makeup, or things of that nature. I'm not being shallow, and you know it, too. However, I think this was just a poorly-worded sentence on my part, so we can leave it at a misunderstanding.

As LOTR, I like the movies, but have only seen them once and have no desire to watch them again. I will see ROTK, but that's about it. I just don't like Orlando Bloom as Legolas, not the whole movie. I love Matrix. If someone had said Keanu Reeves looks too homosexual, I wouldn't have gone on the war path trying to defend him. I don't care about the movies *that* much, and the ravenous LOTR fans shouldn't care so much about a movie that they will attack someone who doesn't like it.

[condorito]

Originally posted by metaridley
What did I ever do to you? Have I broke into your house, stolen your DVD collection, and murdered your family? Have I even scratched your car? No? Then why are you, like a few others, trying to bash my head into a brick wall? I guess politeness and helpfulness is something that you lack when replying to other people's posts.

Nice job exagerating drama queen
If your posts are in harsh tone then expect to be replied the same way

Anyways I thought last samurai was gonna be bad judging it from the first trailers but i watched it and really liked it, except maybe the end
So ill judge when I watch it

[metaridley]

Originally posted by talemyn
Well, I'm not sure if you considered me a "Tiger Beat magazine" reader or "mature enough to hold a discussion", but I'll add a few points. :DI don't know if "fantasy" is exactly accurate to describe the story . . . more like "legend". The funny thing about mythology is that it is, generally, based on factual events, but 1) they are embellished to make for a more epic story (e.g., Achilles being magically invulnerable except for his heel) and 2) they encorporated their mythological/religous beliefs into the stories to explain things that they could not explain otherwise. As such, generally, there is usually some truth in the stories, but nothing concrete. Additionally, as the stories got past down through the generations, they have changed as they went along leading to different versions of the same story depending on who you ask.

Long story, short . . . it is essentially impossible to create and "accurate" version of the Trojan War story.As for my comments about Bloom in LOTR, I sort of sensed by your comments, that you were someone who "doesn't really care about Lord of the Rings", so I was trying to explain that to play an elf "effeminately" is actually not inappropriate based on the general characteristics of elves. I guess the question is, did he play it that way purposefully, or is that the way he just happens to act and it suites the style of an elf in LOTR? It's been long enough since I've seen POTC, that I can't really remember his performance there, but I do remember him doing a pretty good job in Black Hawk Down. If he can play a 20th century U.S. soldier well, hopefully he can do a Trojan warrior too. :) Plus, remeber he is playing a prince and royalty are not always known for being rugged and masculine (think River Phoenix in Gladiator . . . his character thought he was much more of a badass than he really was).I think this really breaks down to which is more important . . . making the movie accurate to the times or true to the idea of the story. Yes, without the skin care and make-up products, the women may have looked a little rough by todays standards, but in the story they are intended to be beautiful women by the Ancient Greek standards. If you want the movie to be accurate to the times, then you show the women the way they may have actually looked. If you want to be true to the story, then it makes sense to "translate" the idea of beautiful women by their standards to our standards to get the point accross.

Anyway, I am optimistic (mostly because I would like a movie based on Greek mythology to be made well and to succeed), but, these days, I try not to get my expectations set too high with ambitious movies. I seem to enjoy them more when I am not expecting them to do really well.

I enjoyed reading your post. You made some excellent points, and I am glad that you kept it in a civilized manner. I finally get what kind of a story "Troy" is...somewhat ficitional, somewhat realistic. I appreciate your explanation. Also, as for Orlando Bloom, I did enjoy him in his brief role in Black Hawk Down, and I guess it's because he simply *had* to act tough to be a US soldier for that film. However, maybe elves are supposed to act that way in LOTR, I'm not too keen on the actual Middle Earth rules.

And I suppose it does just come down to a matter of preference on how women should look in historical epics. Overall, we agree with some points, disagree with others, and this is what a reply should look like. Thank you!

[metaridley]

Originally posted by condorito
Nice job exagerating drama queen
If your posts are in harsh tone then expect to be replied the same way

Anyways I thought last samurai was gonna be bad judging it from the first trailers but i watched it and really liked it, except maybe the end
So ill judge when I watch it

I exaggerated on purpose, to show how ridiculous it was to attack someone because I thought Bloom looked homosexual in LOTR. If you think that's "harsh in tone" when my comments had nothing to do with anybody except an actor that no one here even knows personally, then you have some sensitivity issues. Grow up and leave the childish insults for another thread.

I haven't liked Last Samurai's trailers, but I might like the movie. This is a thread about the discussion of how Troy looks from its trailer, nothing more. If you can't handle that, feel free not to post in it.

[SunMonkey]

Originally posted by metaridley
If someone had said Keanu Reeves looks too homosexual, I wouldn't have gone on the war path trying to defend him. I don't care about the movies *that* much, and the ravenous LOTR fans shouldn't care so much about a movie that they will attack someone who doesn't like it.

You seem oblivious to the fact that people are taking issue with your tastless "too homosexual" descriptions rather than your opinion on LotR.

[metaridley]

Tasteless? How so? I have no problem with homosexuals, and a few of my friends are gay. But I thought Orlando Bloom incorrectly portrayed Legolas, and I found that the term "too homosexual" was the best way to describe it. We can agree to disagree there, I suppose.

But if you take a look at the previous posts, there are those who take issue with my dislike of Lord of the Rings. Anyway, stick to the main topic at hand, please. I'd rather not try to explain myself to a bunch of people over the Internet that I don't even know.

[Groucho]

Look, somebody who doesn't have a problem with gays and has lots of gay friends wouldn't post something like "Legolas is too homosexual." If you want people to take you seriously, you should avoid slurs of that nature. Also, you should refrain from reviewing films you haven't seen. That's all people are trying to say.

[metaridley]

Groucho, stop threadcrapping.

[metaridley]

Homophobic slurs? Please. You don't even know me, but you find ways to see what you want to see in my thread. Stay OUT of this thread, as I've reported your undeniably immature posts to the moderators.

[lesterlong]

Originally posted by metaridley
Tasteless? How so? I have no problem with homosexuals, and a few of my friends are gay. But I thought Orlando Bloom incorrectly portrayed Legolas, and I found that the term "too homosexual" was the best way to describe it. We can agree to disagree there, I suppose.

But if you take a look at the previous posts, there are those who take issue with my dislike of Lord of the Rings. Anyway, stick to the main topic at hand, please. I'd rather not try to explain myself to a bunch of people over the Internet that I don't even know.

How about the term "too feminine"? I don't have any homosexual friends but I wouldn't use the term to describe anybody because homosexual people don't all act the same way.

[metaridley]

Originally posted by Groucho
Look, somebody who doesn't have a problem with gays and has lots of gay friends wouldn't post something like "Legolas is too homosexual." If you want people to take you seriously, you should avoid slurs of that nature. Also, you should refrain from reviewing films you haven't seen. That's all people are trying to say.

Point acknowledged. I admit I'm not that great when it comes to expressing my thoughts well to complete strangers on a message board, but I'm trying. Perhaps I should have used the word I really meant, which was, "effeminate"?

And I'm just giving my opinion on Troy based upon the trailer. My thread title is perhaps misleading, so I don't appear to be able to have the power to change it. But I repeat that I am in no way actually "reviewing" or offering my final judgment on Troy at this point in time.

Thanks for editing your post, I appreciate it.

[metaridley]

Originally posted by lesterlong
How about the term "too feminine"? I don't have any homosexual friends but I wouldn't use the term to describe anybody because homosexual people don't all act the same way.

Ah, I just suggested that. Thanks for bringing the point up. I will edit my original post to reflect this change in word choice. And you're right: the gay friends that I have don't all act "effeminate", but I just used the term "homosexual" incorrectly to describe my feelings toward Bloom's performance.

[Goldberg74]

Originally posted by metaridley
Groucho, stop threadcrapping.
Tiem to use the little link in the bottom right hand corner.

No one treats Groucho like that and gets away with it...

[condorito]

Originally posted by metaridley
I exaggerated on purpose, to show how ridiculous it was to attack someone because I thought Bloom looked homosexual in LOTR. If you think that's "harsh in tone" when my comments had nothing to do with anybody except an actor that no one here even knows personally, then you have some sensitivity issues. Grow up and leave the childish insults for another thread.

I haven't liked Last Samurai's trailers, but I might like the movie. This is a thread about the discussion of how Troy looks from its trailer, nothing more. If you can't handle that, feel free not to post in it.
You seem to be the one that cannot take others opinion
You start the thread calling some actors others like "homosexual" and expect to be taken seriously
then someone says that where you live there must not be pretty women and you are quickly to scream WTF STOP INSULTING ME DID I MURDER YOUR FAMILY?

lol get a grip

[metaridley]

Originally posted by Goldberg74
Tiem to use the little link in the bottom right hand corner.

No one treats Groucho like that and gets away with it...

I hope you're joking, since this is my thread, and I have stayed on topic this entire time, except when replying to insults such as the one below:

You seem to be the one that cannot take others opinion
You start the thread calling some actors others like "homosexual" and expect to be taken seriously
then someone says that where you live there must not be pretty women and you are quickly to scream WTF STOP INSULTING ME DID I MURDER YOUR FAMILY?
lol get a grip


So, I guess I have to shut up unless I agree with your opinion? I can't say anything bad about actors that others like? Anything else you think I shouldn't be allowed to say, Stalin?

Man, I guess you haven't heard of sarcasm. I was attempting to show that you're being nonsensical with your comments that are neither on-topic nor useful in the slightest.

Are you done? Good. Now, one more post that's out of line and I'll report you as well. I don't take kindly to people wasting my time by trying to hijack my threads which I attempt to obtain information out of. Unlike you, I dislike wasting my time bashing people over the Internet.

[ArchibaldTuttle]

wow all this because of a teaser trailer, personally I hope its awesome, and have been looking forward to it since I read about it, I have been craving a sword and sandel movie since gladiator, and as far as it not be historical or whatever, I don't really care how over the top or exagerated anything ends up being since its based on myth

[metaridley]

I certainly *hope* the movie is good, I just don't think it will be from the teaser trailer. But yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that so many people over-reacted to a simple inquiry, isn't it?

[clarkkent]

If you guys would like to get in some good acting in advance, go rent "Helen of Troy". It was a 4 hour miniseries on CBS. Outstanding acting and cinematography as well. I believe it was given a Highly Rated from this site. If were lucky, Troy will be able to match the quality of this film.

[RyoHazuki]

Removed pointless post - please do not threadcrap. -Blake

[metaridley]

Originally posted by clarkkent
If you guys would like to get in some good acting in advance, go rent "Helen of Troy". It was a 4 hour miniseries on CBS. Outstanding acting and cinematography as well. I believe it was given a Highly Rated from this site. If were lucky, Troy will be able to match the quality of this film.

I remember seeing this mini-series advertised. I'll try to see if I can check it out, and perhaps gain a perspective of what to expect.

And RyoHazuki7, or whatever your name is, stop threadcrapping with your unbelievably lame pics. If you don't like it, don't post here. In the meantime, care to give me a thread you've created so I can go and hijack it?

[beefjerky]

My friend knows the guy playing Patroclus in Troy.

Ummm, from the trailer, I've gathered that this movie seems like it'll be entertaining, and everyone was beautiful back during the Greek times.

[metaridley]

Ha ha, good times.

[hmurchison]

Metaridley- Welcome to the 21st century where men have become so consfused and politically correct they view "Homosexual" as a slur now.

Now it would be different had you said F*G or something else a bit more brutish but stand up for yourself. This is America, we don't have the right to be unoffended here. People can say what they want. I better not ever have anyone to check me about using the term "homosexual" it's the opposite of heterosexual and you would gotten no complaints had you said it.

Back on topic. I'm going to see Troy regardless. By the time the move plays we're going to have much better trailers at our disposal.

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by metaridley I thought Orlando Bloom incorrectly portrayed Legolas, and I found that the term "too homosexual" was the best way to describe it.

Again I have to ask. For a person who "doesn't really care about LOTR", I'm guessing it's safe to assume you haven't read that books? If so, then how would you know what the right portrayal of Legolas is? Now, if you have read the books, why claim what you do about LOTR?

[Kal-El]

Originally posted by metaridley
I've reported your undeniably immature posts to the moderators.

Whoa. mcbg1 flashback. :D

[condorito]

Originally posted by metaridley
I hope you're joking, since this is my thread, and I have stayed on topic this entire time, except when replying to insults such as the one below:



So, I guess I have to shut up unless I agree with your opinion? I can't say anything bad about actors that others like? Anything else you think I shouldn't be allowed to say, Stalin?

Man, I guess you haven't heard of sarcasm. I was attempting to show that you're being nonsensical with your comments that are neither on-topic nor useful in the slightest.

Are you done? Good. Now, one more post that's out of line and I'll report you as well. I don't take kindly to people wasting my time by trying to hijack my threads which I attempt to obtain information out of. Unlike you, I dislike wasting my time bashing people over the Internet.

SOrry its just funny how you overreact, if you get so pissed for afew comments in this forums then you should leave, and you do like wasting your time bashing people since you keep replying, when this thread would be way more on topic if you just ignored
OHNO youll reportme!!! WHAT SHALL I DO

THere is no point in staying on topic since your first post was filled with made up bs and prejudice on a a story/legend you knew nothing about



I have the little music from the trailer stuck in my head

[Ravenous]

Well I do like to see when someone makes an ass of themselve, than tries to pretend they have a shred of intellegence; but I'll stick to saying "PLEASE LEAVE"

And before you wet your huggies about a thread crap Ill say the trailer looks good, the movie sounds awesome and "Alexander" looks like shit.

Oh and I want to be next! Lets see you over dramatize my thread too!!

[TCG]

Originally posted by Mourn
Um, they found what they think was Troy more than a century ago.

Anyhow, the heros in the Iliad were more than regular men, so them being unusually good looking is fitting. Whether Pitt and Bloom can pull it off is up for debate.

I took a Greek History class a couple years ago. Awesome class (mostly bc of the prof), but anyway:
On finding Troy, they did, many years ago. at least what they believe is The Troy of myth. in modern day Turkey. plus, it seems to have been laid to waste fairly quickly, indicating that the 'myths' do have truth in them.

there was a Trojan War. estimated c. 1250 BC. the Greeks laid siege to Troy. they sailed across the Aegean to reach it. about the number of ships, it seems accurate to me. there were armies of tens of thousands of soldiers in ancient times. (Herodotus claims the Persians sent more than 1 million people into Greece around 400 BC.) each ship didnt hold more than 200 soldiers (a high estimate), and it looks like the ship in the trailer had between 50-100. therefore, 10,000 soldiers would require 100-200 ships. 20,000 soldiers would need 200-400 ships. plus the claim about "the face that launched 1000 ships".

and Homer wrote his works c. 800 BC. but anyway, with each passing year, it seems that more aspects of the Trojan War become more factual.

as for the 2nd point, i agree. gods and heros in ancient Greece were superhuman in every way. you cant really have adam sandler playing Achilles, or Rosie ODonnell playing Helen.

[syphon00]

hmm I wonder how they're gonna pull this off
from the mythology I've read
all the main chars in the movie,
Paris, Hector, and Achilles all died
during the siege of Troy before
the Trojan horse ever entered this city, which I think would be the climax of the film
so how are they going to carry on a film in which all the main chars are dead?

I would suspect in the hollywood version
all the main chars will be alive during the whole horse
deal and then have a huge finally battle

[Pants]

If Wolfgang Peterson keeps up his penchant for 10th rate CGI this will be ugly and cheap looking.

[jaeufraser]

Originally posted by Pants
If Wolfgang Peterson keeps up his penchant for 10th rate CGI this will be ugly and cheap looking.

I know what you mean. But with the insanely high budget on this movie and, as far as I can tell a large usage of some really massive sets (and I mean huge), I'm hoping it won't be too much a distraction. Of course, I don't hate CGI. No more than a matte painting and such. But that airplane crash in Wolfgang's Air Force One was...inexcuseable. So let's hope nothing like that.

[metaridley]

All right everybody, let me just set the record straight: this thread started off bad, and hasn't really improved since. I chose the wrong words to express my thoughts and made it appear like I was getting worked up (believe me, I wasn't, since nothing on the Internet makes me mad). Hey, we're all movie fans, and we can keep it at that. And let's face it: nothing's more pathetic than for us to be arguing and insulting each other over the web, right?

If you guys still want to talk about this topic, that's fine. I'm moving on and going to watch what I say next time. But try to lighten up yourselves, okay?

[Hokeyboy]

OMG!! STFU!!!!! This is gonna be the hottest thing since From Justin To Kelly!!!! Now if only they could cast Sly Stallone in the film and life will be glorious!!!!!!!!!!........?

[RyoHazuki]

Originally posted by metaridley
But try to lighten up yourselves, okay? You seem to be the person who needs to calm down.

[metaridley]

You can tell what I'm acting like while I sit at my computer and type? Woah, that's really freaky. Are you sure you don't live near me?

[RyoHazuki]

Maybe you should put curtains on your windows.

[metaridley]

Done and done.

[jaeufraser]

You know, I really want to see this movie. And I really would like to see a discussion on this movie. Do we need to change this thread to the argument over absolutely nothing thread and start a new Troy thread?

Nonetheless, I do have quite a bit of hope that this will be something special. Does anyone know who the writers are behind this? I'd hate to see the story cut down to basics. This is an epic story...let's hope the story is as epic as the visuals. Wolfgang is capable, though I do have to admit that he's a decent director but nothing spectacular.

[B.S.Preston,ESQ]

ya dis moovee looks like crap. :(

[scroll2b]

How is that this thread hasn't been closed yet? It runs on more like a chat room then a thread board. Aren't we done here folks? ;)

[purplechoe]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Under the right circumstances, I can see Farrell as Alexander (who was a very young man, and generally depicted as rather handsome and striking), but what is with the blonde dye job?

Lets get one thing straight here. Farrell is Alexander but not in Troy. He's playing Alexander in "Alexander" which is being directed by Oliver Stone, which will also be coming out next year.

IMO Brad Pitt is one of the best actors of his generation. Not quite up there with Johnny Depp, but close. I'm very much looking foreword to both Alexander and Troy next year being somewhat of a history buff. And yeah, Gladiator was a bad movie.

[cross]

Originally posted by syphon00
hmm I wonder how they're gonna pull this off
from the mythology I've read
all the main chars in the movie,
Paris, Hector, and Achilles all died
during the siege of Troy before
the Trojan horse ever entered this city, which I think would be the climax of the film
so how are they going to carry on a film in which all the main chars are dead?


Actually the climax of the movie would be Akhilleus fighting Hektor or when Paris kills Akhilleus.

[badger1997]

Originally posted by cross
Actually the climax of the movie would be Akhilleus fighting Hektor or when Paris kills Akhilleus. I can't see that being the ending. I would hope they remain faithful to the original work because it is the very definition of the word "classic." And if they do remain faithful, I would think they would go all the way to the horse and leave with Odysseus (Sean Bean) and the remaining Greeks leaving for home. But that's just my guess.

[movielib]

Originally posted by badger1997
I can't see that being the ending. I would hope they remain faithful to the original work because it is the very definition of the word "classic." And if they do remain faithful, I would think they would go all the way to the horse and leave with Odysseus (Sean Bean) and the remaining Greeks leaving for home. But that's just my guess.
Then the sequel: Sean Bean in O Brother, Where Art Ithaka? or O Brother, How Did My Voyage Home Become a Ten Year Road Trip?.

[talemyn]

Originally posted by syphon00
I would suspect in the hollywood version
all the main chars will be alive during the whole horse
deal and then have a huge finally battle Ohhhhhh . .. I can not tell you how much that would suck . . . :(

This is not a "happy ending" story and it would be doing it (and us) a real disservice if it were presented that way. There are still a considerable number of "main characters" (there tend to be a ton in the big greek myth stories) still alive near the end of the story, so there is no reason to keep alive the ones that are supposed to die. As for the climax, they should just leave it as the horse and the destruction of Troy . . . what's wrong with that?

Then movie ends with the remaining Greeks all sailing home to live happily ever after . . . or so they think . . . :D

[Ravenous]

Originally posted by syphon00
hmm I wonder how they're gonna pull this off
from the mythology I've read
all the main chars in the movie,
Paris, Hector, and Achilles all died
during the siege of Troy before
the Trojan horse ever entered this city, which I think would be the climax of the film
so how are they going to carry on a film in which all the main chars are dead?

I would suspect in the hollywood version
all the main chars will be alive during the whole horse
deal and then have a huge finally battle

Removed Personal Attack -Blake

[syphon00]

Originally posted by Ravenous
Removed Personal Attack -Blake

hey ass, you want spoiler tag you got it

anyone with half a brain knows about the story of troy
plus this plot's been mentioned throughout the thread
and WTF would I spoiler tag a movie that's not out?

Removed Personal Attack -Blake

[fumanstan]

Sorry, but i didn't know the story either sans the horse. Not everyone takes a class on Greek Mythology... but thanks for calling me a moron. And uh... isn't it pretty obvious why you would spoiler a movie that isn't out yet?

[badger1997]

I may be in the minority, but I don't see spoiler tags as a necessity when talking about a classic piece of work that has been around for centuries. This is a very well-known tale that is often taught in world lit classes at the high school level. To me it would be like putting up spoiler tags when you are talking about Ahab dying in Moby Dick or Hamlet (and quite a few more characters) dying at the end of Hamlet.

Besides, how can it be a spoiler when the debate is actually over how they are going to portray it in the film? I don't know what they are going to show, you don't know, so how can anyone spoil the film? :hscratch:

[syphon00]

thankd badger1997
obviously some of the posters here never finished high school
:P

[purplechoe]

Originally posted by Ravenous
Removed Personal Attack -Blake

Jesus was crucified.

-rolleyes-

[Corvin]

Originally posted by purplechoe
Jesus was crucified.

-rolleyes-

Okay, great, you just ruined The Passion of Christ for me!

[fumanstan]

Personally, i didn't care about the spoiler tag or not, but not everyone learns about Greek mythology, and insinuating that someone has half a brain for not knowing is pretty silly. But what do i know, apparently i never finished high school.