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Old 11-27-03, 08:02 PM
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movies trashed by most critics that many fans liked, and vice versa

Fifth Element. most critics trashed it but a lot of people seem to really like that movie (or is it because the movie looks and sounds excellent on dvd, is the reason lots of people own it.)
fight club
requiem for a dream, (I know some critics liked it, but not as much as the people on these forums praise it for)
matrix revolutions
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Revolutions??

I'd add Office Space to that list.
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Originally posted by lesterlong
Revolutions??

alot of us in the first matrix thread (when we weren't trying to decipher the ending) said basicaly, "**** the critics, I liked/loved it"
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I think a lot of fans of the first Matrix (including myself) were let down considerably by the last two installments. The B.O. numbers seem to indicate that as well.

BTW, here are the rotten tomatoes numbers for some films mentioned in this thread:

The Fifth Element (73% FRESH)
Office Space (74% FRESH)
Requiem for a Dream (78% FRESH)
Fight Club (81% FRESH)

Hardly "trashed by critics."

So far there hasn't been one valid example in this thread.

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Rotten Tomatoes: 25%
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Hmm...can't find any good examples on rottentomatoes.com. Any movie that is half-way decent is rated Fresh on there. If I had to pick I'd say Armageddon because I liked it.
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Blade Runner was raked over the coals when it was released in '82.
seems to have developed a lot of fans now.

Grease was also pretty much dismissed by most mainstream critics back in '78
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Armageddon is a perfect example of this. It made, what, $250 million, or something? Rottentomatoes.Com has it at 42%. Not all of that $250 million came from people who loved it. But among 'regular folks' (not the 'snobs' on this forum), it's generally well-liked. Critics and audiences were hardly in agreement there.

It's one of the very few movies that Ebert and I disagree on.
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I think Fight Club is the best example on this list. I"m still pissed that I passed on that in the theaters when my gut said go see it. However, it got SO savaged that I passed on it, and I usually see everything. Now I"m kicking myself, I'd love to take a mulligan there and see that on big screen. Critics will catch up with this one, however.
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You forgot SCARFACE (1983)
SMOKEY & THE BANDIT (1977)
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Equilibrium is my perfect example
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30%!!!
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Originally posted by The Nature Boy
I think Fight Club is the best example on this list.
It's actually the worst example on the list. As I've already shown, it was actually praised by most critics.

As far as recent movies go, Armageddon is probably the best choice I've seen. Is it a good movie? Not particularly, but I enjoyed myself in the theater. Probably because it didn't take itself seriously, unlike that weepy POS Deep Impact that came out before it.
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One example that springs to mind is Scary Movie. I personally hated the movie, and I believe that most critics did too, but almost everyone I know loved it.

Also, what about the Star Wars prequels? I don't think the movies were universally praised by critics, but fans seem to like them, present company excluded.
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Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions
Star Wars EP1&2
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Originally posted by wm lopez
You forgot SCARFACE (1983)
Scarface is a 94% at Rottentomatoes.
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Here in the NW, Braveheart was trashed upon its release by the newspaper "critics."
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki7
Scarface is a 94% at Rottentomatoes.
Those are are all more recent, revisionist reviews. Critically, it was not received that well when it first came out.
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No, DePalma's Scarface got very mediocre reviews when it first came out.

Quite rightly, I might add.
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John Carpenter's The Thing got mostly bad reviews when it first came out. In another example of reviewing revisionism it is now 82% fresh at Rotten Tomatoes.
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Originally posted by movielib
John Carpenter's The Thing got mostly bad reviews when it first came out.
I think most critics were pissed that he was remaking a classic, completely overlooking the fact that this film was completely different (not to mention more true to the source material). My dad is a big fan of the original film, and he still refuses to see the Carpenter version.

Barb Wire suffered from the same knee-jerk reaction.
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Adam Sandler movies. His movies seem to consistenly make money and be trashed by the critics.

Personally, I like a few of them: Happy Gilmore & Big Daddy to name two.
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Oh. and for the vice versa. I haven't met one person who actually liked The English Patient.
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Originally posted by Groucho
I think most critics were pissed that he was remaking a classic, completely overlooking the fact that this film was completely different (not to mention more true to the source material). My dad is a big fan of the original film, and he still refuses to see the Carpenter version.
I never thought the original was any good, let alone a "classic." Could be because I read the story Who Goes There? before I saw the movie. I loved Carpenter's film upon my first viewing and couldn't comprehend the critics' overwhelmingly negative reviews.
Barb Wire suffered from the same knee-jerk reaction.

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Originally posted by Groucho
It's actually the worst example on the list. As I've already shown, it was actually praised by most critics.

But what you don't show is the consensus opinion of "respected" critics was decidedly mediocre. A quick glance shows lukewarm to negative reviews from the LA Times, Washtington Post, Entertainment Weekly and Ebert. Now, it's miscalls like that, that have forced me to reconsider movie evaulations, but to lump Maurysfilmreview.com with Ebert, as Rotten Tomatoes is the ultimate in democracy, but not representative of 1999 when Fight Club was released.


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