More changes to be made to original Star Wars Trilogy?
11-20-03, 07:34 PM
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More changes to be made to original Star Wars Trilogy?
From todays Digital Bits Rumour Mill:
"...we've heard from a number of interesting (and we believe reliable) inside sources that Lucsafilm is currently making major new changes to the original Star Wars films - the kind of changes he began a few years ago with the theatrical "Special Edition" releases. These changes include new special effects, revised and updated shots and scenes, and new footage shot with actors Hayden Christensen (Anakin) and Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor) that would flesh out moments with their characters in the original films. For example, an aged and scarred Hayden now appears as Anakin at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke removes Vader's helmet. Among the other changes reportedly being made are the restoration of the original "Han shoots first" moment from Star Wars and a revamped lightsaber fight between Obi-Wan and Vader. What we've heard meshes with what we've been told before, which is that Lucas has always planned to release ultimate, "Archive" editions of these films that tie in better with the new prequels. The main question in our minds now is this: will these changes be completed in time to appear on the DVD releases planned for next September, or will we have to wait until after Episode III hits theaters to see them? And if we have to wait, what versions will appear on the DVDs? Time will tell.
Stay tuned..."
"...we've heard from a number of interesting (and we believe reliable) inside sources that Lucsafilm is currently making major new changes to the original Star Wars films - the kind of changes he began a few years ago with the theatrical "Special Edition" releases. These changes include new special effects, revised and updated shots and scenes, and new footage shot with actors Hayden Christensen (Anakin) and Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor) that would flesh out moments with their characters in the original films. For example, an aged and scarred Hayden now appears as Anakin at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke removes Vader's helmet. Among the other changes reportedly being made are the restoration of the original "Han shoots first" moment from Star Wars and a revamped lightsaber fight between Obi-Wan and Vader. What we've heard meshes with what we've been told before, which is that Lucas has always planned to release ultimate, "Archive" editions of these films that tie in better with the new prequels. The main question in our minds now is this: will these changes be completed in time to appear on the DVD releases planned for next September, or will we have to wait until after Episode III hits theaters to see them? And if we have to wait, what versions will appear on the DVDs? Time will tell.
Stay tuned..."
from the happy-go-lucky Internet Star Wars community.
11-20-03, 08:11 PM
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You, know. It really bothered me when I first saw Jedi that a badass like Darth Vader turned out to be a fat old man.
I, for one, would be perfectly happy if they changed that, because frankly it pissed me off.
I, for one, would be perfectly happy if they changed that, because frankly it pissed me off.
11-20-03, 08:54 PM
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I got my LD's of the originals. I couldn't care any less what lucas does to piss on the films anymore.
Besides, the internet created the whole bitching about greedo shooting first. It never really bothered me before so who cares.
Besides, the internet created the whole bitching about greedo shooting first. It never really bothered me before so who cares.
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for the love of gawd, i just hope they fix the part in the obi-wan / vader saber fight scene were you can see down obiwans saber and it looks fake. it was a crime against humanity not to fix it in the SEs. I mean really, this is like the Indy reflection.... fix it already!
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Same thing being discussed in DVD Talk forum also...
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=331205
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=331205
11-20-03, 09:56 PM
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Just plain bullsh*t. How do you figure Lucas has shot new footage for the original trilogy when he's swamped working on Episode III? The fact is, he hasn't. Not to mention the Padme rumor was debunked by Lucasfilm and McCallum, as well as Natalie Portman months ago.
Bill Hunt should know better.
Bill Hunt should know better.
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Frome Force Net:
Classic Trilogy Ultimate Edition in the Works
Thu, Nov 20, 03 09:33:04 PM EST
It has been reported all over the web and on this website for months, though now there's a resurgence in the rumors that an eventual and final release of the Classic Trilogy is coming. Where these rumors are coming from now is a person emailing a list of changes to websites and telling them work is being done. And while we can defintiely confirm that ILM is working on the movies for plenty of enhancements, the list may or may not be accurate. Here's the run down of possible and very rumored changes:
Episode IV: A New Hope
01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks about Vader.
03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
05. In the Cantina, the Duros (green aliens guys) have been replaced with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his tale.
09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots have been added.
11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers' fire.
12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more of the creature.
14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels.
15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the stormtroopers.
18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is being considered for the scene.
19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used by the Rebels.
21. There's a new scene (shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the Force.
22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new ships and vehicles.
03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
05. The slug monster is CG.
06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to the prequels.
07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more expression of emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a stuntman.
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan now.
04. The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them.
05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is talking with Leia about their mother.
06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
07. In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now.
08. White boxes around ships removed.
09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now unable to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at the Ewok tree village.
14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit of Padme by his side.
Again, these are more of a wish list than accurate information. We also wanted to tell you something perhaps even more significant. Episode I: The Phantom Menace is getting a full overhaul as well. We'll leave you with that for now.
Classic Trilogy Ultimate Edition in the Works
Thu, Nov 20, 03 09:33:04 PM EST
It has been reported all over the web and on this website for months, though now there's a resurgence in the rumors that an eventual and final release of the Classic Trilogy is coming. Where these rumors are coming from now is a person emailing a list of changes to websites and telling them work is being done. And while we can defintiely confirm that ILM is working on the movies for plenty of enhancements, the list may or may not be accurate. Here's the run down of possible and very rumored changes:
Episode IV: A New Hope
01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks about Vader.
03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
05. In the Cantina, the Duros (green aliens guys) have been replaced with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his tale.
09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots have been added.
11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers' fire.
12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more of the creature.
14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels.
15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the stormtroopers.
18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is being considered for the scene.
19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used by the Rebels.
21. There's a new scene (shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the Force.
22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
01. The taun-tauns are now CG.
02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new ships and vehicles.
03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
05. The slug monster is CG.
06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to the prequels.
07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more expression of emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a stuntman.
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan now.
04. The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them.
05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is talking with Leia about their mother.
06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
07. In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now.
08. White boxes around ships removed.
09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now unable to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at the Ewok tree village.
14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit of Padme by his side.
Again, these are more of a wish list than accurate information. We also wanted to tell you something perhaps even more significant. Episode I: The Phantom Menace is getting a full overhaul as well. We'll leave you with that for now.
11-20-03, 11:05 PM
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This is also from theforce.net crap-ster
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Q&A With George Lucas
Thu, Nov 20, 03 10:33:18 PM EST
Marc Xavier points out The Furry Conflict and the Great ‘Beard’ of the Galaxy for a summary of a new discussion yesterday with George Lucas about his movies, career and of course, Star Wars. Here's some highlights before you head over there:
· Indiana Jones 4 is currently under construction.
· The rumors of Lucas’ plans to change the original trilogy again after the release of Episode III are false.
· The bad acting in Episode II was “done on purpose” and is "part of the style.”
· The rumors about Lucas’ plans to make Episodes 7 – 9 were a “manifestation of the media.” He then joked that it “would be fun” to come up with a new Star Wars trilogy when Harrison (Han Solo) is 70 and have everyone as old people.
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Q&A With George Lucas
Thu, Nov 20, 03 10:33:18 PM EST
Marc Xavier points out The Furry Conflict and the Great ‘Beard’ of the Galaxy for a summary of a new discussion yesterday with George Lucas about his movies, career and of course, Star Wars. Here's some highlights before you head over there:
· Indiana Jones 4 is currently under construction.
· The rumors of Lucas’ plans to change the original trilogy again after the release of Episode III are false.
· The bad acting in Episode II was “done on purpose” and is "part of the style.”
· The rumors about Lucas’ plans to make Episodes 7 – 9 were a “manifestation of the media.” He then joked that it “would be fun” to come up with a new Star Wars trilogy when Harrison (Han Solo) is 70 and have everyone as old people.
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11-20-03, 11:41 PM
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Well, I like everything Lucas said except the bad acting is intentional. I think some of the acting is good. Ian McDiarmid, Liam Neeson, Jimmy Smits, Christopher Leem, and Hayden in everything but the love story was good. I thought Natalie was hit and miss. Jake Lloyd was terrible. Hayden and Natalie stiff in the love scenes. You get the picture. But no, it was intentional George. I don't believe that.
Speaking of Natalie:
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19223
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19224
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19222
Good Lord!
Speaking of Natalie:
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19223
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19224
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=19222
Good Lord!
Last edited by Terrell; 11-20-03 at 11:43 PM.
11-21-03, 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Terrell
Hayden and Natalie stiff in the love scenes.
Hayden and Natalie stiff in the love scenes.
11-21-03, 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I got my LD's of the originals. I couldn't care any less what lucas does to piss on the films anymore.
I got my LD's of the originals. I couldn't care any less what lucas does to piss on the films anymore.
I don't know who you are, but bring back Jackskeleton!
What happened to the "Lucas owns them and can do what he wants". As soon as I saw this thread title, I said "I can't wait to see Jack's post(s)."
11-21-03, 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by DonnachaOne
"THEY TRYN' TO TELL US, WE ALL WANTS TO BE LIKE HAYDEN!"
"THEY TRYN' TO TELL US, WE ALL WANTS TO BE LIKE HAYDEN!"
I can't even talk about Star Wars without breaking into the Hooper X rant.
"Whats a Nubian? Bitch, you almost made me laugh."
11-21-03, 03:33 AM
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I got tired of saying "whatever happened to directors intention?" only to go back and forth. at this point I'm just highlighting the other side of my arguement.. they are on many other formats besides dvd.. it's not like it's a rare item. I could find it on DVD, LD and VHS in it's original format so why the bitching? cause they can. if they want it the way they originally saw it then they could find it simple.
I have my LD's, my VCD's(legit might I add), and my VHS and if worse comes to worse I have the DVD of the LD rips. folks need to figure out lucas is doing what he wants as the director/creator and just deal with it.
I have my LD's, my VCD's(legit might I add), and my VHS and if worse comes to worse I have the DVD of the LD rips. folks need to figure out lucas is doing what he wants as the director/creator and just deal with it.
11-21-03, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by UAIOE
I can't even talk about Star Wars without breaking into the Hooper X rant.
"Whats a Nubian? Bitch, you almost made me laugh."
I can't even talk about Star Wars without breaking into the Hooper X rant.
"Whats a Nubian? Bitch, you almost made me laugh."
Hooper X: They're trying to tell us that deep inside, we all wants to be white!
Banky: Well, isn't that true?
11-21-03, 11:33 PM
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I remember the first time i saw that scene...i had no idea how to take it untill i got the payoff at the end.
I find it unintentally hilarious that the Naboo fighters have the name "Nubian" as thier model name
I find it unintentally hilarious that the Naboo fighters have the name "Nubian" as thier model name
