College Football - Nov. 15th - Screw F$U edition!!

[Quake1028]

Continue the welcome Seaminoles bashing here :).

[twikoff]

great
you just jinxed nc state
nice job -ohbfrank-

[Smangalick]

touchdown F$U..

god, i hate them!

[Quake1028]

Damn CRAPhonso Thorpe :(.

[das Monkey]

And the lamest fight song/cheer in college history plays once more ...

das

[twikoff]

if your going to start a new thread..
least you can do is edit that first post and put in the schedules, scores so far, top 25 matchups, credit card number, mothers maiden name, and social security number.

[Smangalick]

where is the flag???

[Pharoh]

Not looking good for the Wolfpack.

[Daryl]

nice to see Arizona putting up about as much fight as my infant son

[Quake1028]

Keep on matriculating down the field boys!

[shizawn]

Originally posted by Daryl
nice to see Arizona putting up about as much fight as my infant son

:lol:

[Pharoh]

And wanted to add:


-ohbfrank- @ the Luckeyes.

Though I don't know which was worse, the officiating, or the playcalling?

[twikoff]

Originally posted by Daryl
nice to see Arizona putting up about as much fight as my infant son

arizona is doing well when they dont lose by 50

[twikoff]

touchdown nc state!!

[Quake1028]

YES!!!!1

[Pharoh]

Is McClendon hurt?

[shizawn]

did they make the extra point?

[MrX]

Originally posted by shizawn
did they make the extra point?
yes

[das Monkey]

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Pharoh •<HR SIZE=1>Is McClendon hurt? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, shoulder injury.

das

[Pharoh]

Thanks das.

[Quake1028]

Originally posted by twikoff
if your going to start a new thread..
least you can do is edit that first post and put in the schedules, scores so far, top 25 matchups, credit card number, mothers maiden name, and social security number.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/scoreboard

Get the rest yourself ;).

[twikoff]

all that motion.. Im surprised they got set and were able to run the play without a flag
and then they ended up with a pass for no gain

[Quake1028]

Wow :(.

[Pharoh]

Stupid call.

[Quake1028]

<s>Wow, gutsy call here!</s>

[twikoff]

tried to draw them offlines
now here comes the fg attempt

they really blew it on that 3rd down call

[das Monkey]

Especially since they already ran that motion sneak thing today, so there's no deception.

das

[Quake1028]

Looks like they might still go for it.

[das Monkey]

Fitzgerald with an amazing catch for another TD.

das

[Quake1028]

Damn!

[twikoff]

thats ballgame boys
should have been caught

[das Monkey]

I'm not against going for it, but you need to either roll out or put the ball on the ground with 4th and 1.

das

[brizz]

man...poor NC st. You'd think they would have thought a bit about that OSU game when coming up with that 3rd down play....

[twikoff]

for what its worth.. thats auburn's old offensive coorinator that made that call

and i would still love to have him back

[twikoff]

there is an interesting stat
cothbert from usc has never lead the team in receptions for a season.. but he may end up setting a school record for most receptions in a career

[Quake1028]

Damn damn damn damn.

[shizawn]

Pitt and WVU are running up and down the field. 300 yards of offense in the 1st quarter.

[Quake1028]

Wow, GREAT catch by Sloan Thomas :eek:!

[twikoff]

crap
i was in the wrong thread
and wondered why noone was posting ;)

[twikoff]

lsu with the fg
dammit.. thats not the best step towards scoring 100

SCREW BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

[twikoff]

btw..

Chips Ahoy Cookie Barz may be the greatest invention ever :up:

[das Monkey]

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth twikoff •<HR SIZE=1>btw..

Chips Ahoy Cookie Barz may be the greatest invention ever :up: <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Snickers Ice Cream Bars :drool:

das

[Quake1028]

Did I stumble into a Food TV thread?

;)

[twikoff]

LSU with a great punt return

oh yea.. i love snickers ice cream bars too.. those are great
but there is something about these cookie barz thati love


TOUCHDOWN LSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twikoff]

oh.. and anyone that is upset about FSU winning
BLAME QUAKE FOR JINXING NC STATE!

[Quake1028]

:(

[Ranger]

Originally posted by twikoff
lsu with the fg
dammit.. thats not the best step towards scoring 100

SCREW BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

Patience, patience.

[Quake1028]

Texas 21
Tech 6

Texas cheerleaders :drool:.

[twikoff]

USC now up 21-0

[Quake1028]

TD WVU.

[brizz]

So much for USC having a letdown....

[das Monkey]

It's Arizona. My company softball team could beat Arizona.

das

[twikoff]

how do you get an illegal block in the back by the kicking team.. DURING the return? :hscratch:

[twikoff]

yep..if ASU is going to have a letdown
it will be against ucla in the rivalry game.. or against oregon state, because oregon state doesnt suck too much

that said

touchdown usc
28-0

[the aftermath]

Holy shit what a catch by Fitzgerald. :eek:

[twikoff]

fitzgerald just aint right
man, those catches are plain silly

[das Monkey]

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth twikoff •<HR SIZE=1>fitzgerald just aint right
man, those catches are plain silly <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
You forgot to say "Boo Yah," Mr. Scott ... ;)

das

[twikoff]

he must be butter!

[twikoff]

usc up 35-0 now

[the aftermath]

Originally posted by twikoff
he must be butter!
because he's on a roll!

[brizz]

ahem...I do believe it's "Buttah!"

[das Monkey]

Amazing ...

das

[Terrell]

why is it, that it seems that ever uga fan refers to every year, as a rebuilding year?

twikoff, you asked this question in the other thread and I decided to answer it. What would you call losing your;

entire starting offensive line
starting tailback
starting fullback
best receiver
arguably best defensive lineman
all 3 starting linebackers
and best all around d-back

from last year's SEC championship team? I'd definitely call that a rebuilding year. Most experts thought UGA would go down this year and that it would be a rebuilding year. That's a ton to lose off a championship ball club. UGA was ranked preseason top 11 because of last year's team, as well as David Greene and David Pollack coming back.

I'd argue, even though LSU and Florida fans wouldn't, that if UGA had been healthy all season, they very well could be undefeated. Their two losses came on the road due to last minute scores. In both games key people were out with injuries. But when you lose all that talent from last year, plus lose another 6 starters for the entire year due to injury, I'd call what UGA is done amazing. Hell, Goff and Donnan couldn't do this well with a completely healthy football team. UGA even had 19 people injured at one point this year.

Either way, most people thought UGA would fall off from last year and probably lose 4-5 games with their schedule. Still two games left though, so I wouldn't crow yet.

That's the best answer I can give you, at least where this year is concerned.:)

[das Monkey]

LSU up 17-0, and it's not that close ...

das

[twikoff]

you can make the same arguement every single season if you want
its college football.. players graduate and players leave early

[Dah-Dee]

Originally posted by das Monkey
LSU up 17-0, and it's not that close ...

das

Beautiful pass by Mauck, great catch by Edwards.

[das Monkey]

43 yards of total offense for Bama? -eek-

das

[Daryl]

lay down, Bama, lay down

[twikoff]

was that lineman doing the heisman pose after he caught the ball? ;)

[das Monkey]

Come on, LSU ... go deep!

das

[twikoff]

k state was 0-70 when playing on the road, against a team ranked higher than them??

wow.. i know ive seen that stat before.. but its still unbelievable

oh.. and they broke that streak today against nebraska

[Josh H]

WVU Pitt game certainly hasn't dissapointed so far.

[twikoff]

if anyone is in the arizona area.. hurry up and get to the stadium
usc has given all their players a chance, and are now taking volunteers from the crowd
of course, the stadium is empty though

[twikoff]

wow.. i didnt realize texas tech has come back against texas

they are a blocked extra point away from being tied
late in the 4th qtr

[Dah-Dee]

Seems like Broussard is just dragging Bama players along for the ride every time he touches the ball now.

[twikoff]

great
lsu has forgotten how to tackle

[Dah-Dee]

Freakin' Tigers lost the shutout. Grrrr.

[Quake1028]

TD Red Raiders!

[Dah-Dee]

Originally posted by Quake1028
TD Red Raiders!

Excellent.

[Daryl]

TD WVU

[Daryl]

Originally posted by Quake1028
TD Red Raiders!

Once again, Texas Tech and the over go hand in hand

[Quake1028]

So I guess now WVU fans = Pitt fans to knock-off Miami so they can win ( :eek: ) the Big East and go to a BCS bowl.

[twikoff]

yep
wvu is puttin a hurtin on pitt.. pitt will most likely drop right back out of the top 25 now

[Quake1028]

40-35, 1:56 left, no timeouts for Texas, and they are bringing in a cold Chance Mock. Does not look good.

[Quake1028]

WOW! :eek: Where the hell was the Red Raider defense???

[Daryl]

Texas Tech Defense. Good Lord. How do you let him go deep???

[Dah-Dee]

Originally posted by Quake1028
Red Raider defense???

No such thing.

[Quake1028]

I wish Tech was on tv every week. This team may not be very talented as a whole but they are the gutsiest team I have seen all year.

[Quake1028]

First and goal UT. What a performance so far by Mock.

[Quake1028]

TD Texas!!! But, you leave the Red Raiders over 35 seconds needing only a field goal to tie or win depending on the 2 point try.

[Daryl]

No wonder the over hits every week. That was TERRIBLE

[Quake1028]

Wow Tech is KILLING themselves on this 2 point attempt.

[twikoff]

noone in the bcs top 10 lost today
so everything will pretty much stay as is another week

game over
lsu won 27-3

SCREW BAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dah-Dee]

Geaux Tigers!

[Quake1028]

43-40 Texas. What a game.

[Quake1028]

Originally posted by twikoff
noone in the bcs top 10 lost today

Texas Tech still has something to say about that.

[Quake1028]

Symons is a MAN.

Tech is moving the ball like crazy :eek:. Already in field goal range and still one play left before the field goal.

[twikoff]

what channel is the game on
i cant find it :(

[Daryl]

foxsports

[Quake1028]

Fox Sports Net

[Quake1028]

Good thing he didn't catch that....would have not been a first down and the clock would have expired. Here comes Toogood!

[Daryl]

best thing that happened was that pass was incomplete. He catches it and the game is over

[Daryl]

miss

[Quake1028]

TooBAD for those kids :(.

[twikoff]

too bad for tdd

[shizawn]

Definitely one of the worst kicking days in recent memory.

[Quake1028]

So, Miami beats Pitt and they win the Big East. Pitt wins and WVU takes it. Am I missing anything?

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Quake1028
So, Miami beats Pitt and they win the Big East. Pitt wins and WVU takes it. Am I missing anything?

Well, WVU has to beat Syracuse and Temple. Pitt still plays temple as well. Not sure who else Miami has to play.

[Red Dog]

Didn't see the game, but wow. Congrats to WVU.

I'll have to root for Pitt over Miami. I want to see Maryland in the Gator Bowl and I'm afraid if WVU is the BE runner-up, the Gator will take them and then diss Maryland to avoid staging a regular season rematch. I want a Maryland-Pitt (or Miami) Gator Bowl.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Didn't see the game, but wow. Congrats to WVU.

I'll have to root for Pitt over Miami. I want to see Maryland in the Gator Bowl and I'm afraid if WVU is the BE runner-up, the Gator will take them and then diss Maryland to avoid staging a regular season rematch.
I'm not sure about this. If MD wins out they will get the Gator Bowl IMO. It shouldn't matter what WV does since MD destroyed them this year and would finish with a better overall record.

But than it probably wouldn't matter if the Terps win out because the Gator Bowl would probably pick NC State anyway. :rolleyes:

[Josh H]

IF WVU is second in the BE they will get the Gator Bowl and UMD will get screwed if they win out.

WVU fans travel great to bowls, so they always get the preference unless ND is involved.

But NC State will kill UMD so it's a moot point. :D

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
IF WVU is second in the BE they will get the Gator Bowl and UMD will get screwed if they win out.


Yeah, that's why WV went to the 4th place bowl after finishing 2nd in the BE last year.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by zak52
Yeah, that's why WV went to the 4th place bowl after finishing 2nd in the BE last year.


Well there is no ND factor this year.

I agree with JH - MD will get screwed out of the Gator if WV finishes 2nd in the BE. Nobody, except a few ;), will remember or care that MD crushed WV earlier in the year.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Well there is no ND factor this year.

I agree with JH - MD will get screwed out of the Gator if WV finishes 2nd in the BE. Nobody, except a few ;), will remember or care that MD crushed WV earlier in the year.
I think the bowl selection committee will remember. WV still fell two bowl spots, the third place bowl passed them up also.

[twikoff]

Im not doing any formatting on this.. Ill wait till its moved to a seperate polls thread, tomorrow after the BCS poll comes out

1. Oklahoma (63) 11-0 1,575 1
2. Southern California 9-1 1,506 2
3. LSU 9-1 1,428 3
4. Ohio State 10-1 1,389 4
5. Michigan 9-2 1,311 5
6. Georgia 8-2 1,202 6
7. Texas 9-2 1,145 7
8. Washington State 9-2 1,094 8
9. TCU 10-0 1,034 9
10. Florida State 9-2 967 11
11. Tennessee 8-2 936 13
12. Virginia Tech 8-2 883 12
13. Miami (Fla.) 8-2 864 14
14. Florida 8-3 695 18
15. Mississippi 8-2 659 19
16. Purdue 8-3 632 10
17. Iowa 8-3 595 20
18. Kansas State 9-3 409 25
19. Miami (Ohio) 9-1 400 24
20. Boise State 9-1 382 23
21. (tie) Minnesota 9-3 245 17
21. (tie) Pittsburgh 7-3 245 16
23. Nebraska 8-3 228 15
24. Oklahoma State 8-3 122 NR
25. Bowling Green 8-2 117 NR

Dropped out
No. 21 Northern Illinois (9-2, lost to Toledo 49-30), No. 22 Michigan State (7-4, lost to Wisconsin 56-21).

Also receiving votes
Utah (8-2) 65; West Virginia (6-4) 62; Missouri (7-3) 50; Maryland (7-3) 45; Oregon State (7-3) 39; Northern Illinois (9-2) 35; Wisconsin (7-4) 30; Michigan State (7-4) 22; North Carolina State (7-4) 16; Southern Mississippi (7-3) 11; Arkansas (7-3) 9; Clemson (7-4) 7; Louisville (7-3) 4; Memphis (7-3) 4; Oregon (7-4) 3; Toledo (7-3) 3; Connecticut (9-3) 2; Fresno State (7-4) 2; Texas Tech (7-4) 2; North Texas (8-3) 1.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
Yeah, that's why WV went to the 4th place bowl after finishing 2nd in the BE last year.

Fluke. Only time that's ever happened to us that I can recall. Usually we've been in a lower place and jumped over other teams in the Big East. Plus there's really no difference in $ between the 3rd and 4th bowl so it wasn't a big deal, especially since the 4th place bowl was driving distance from WV adn the 3rd was on the other side of the country.

ND screwed us last year though. The Gator bowl had already said they'd take us if ND made a BCS bowl. We've played their a few times and sold out our allotment of tickets each time. So they're always drooling to get us in years they can't get ND.

[Josh H]

Another strike against UMD is that WVU is ranked higher (27th to 29th in the poll above) and will likely remain higher if both teams win out.

[Three Day Delay]

Originally posted by twikoff
too bad for tdd

Thanks. Great game, but the good guys lost.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Another strike against UMD is that WVU is ranked higher (27th to 29th in the poll above) and will likely remain higher if both teams win out.
If MD wins next week they should leap over WV. That's where they should be anyway.

[Josh H]

I agree UMD should be ranked higher. But I don't have much faith in the voters. Plus I don't think MD will beat NC state anyway.

Though schedule strenght is important. WVU is the only decent team UMD has beaten, while WVU has beat VT and Pitt decisively.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle


Though schedule strenght is important. WVU is the only decent team UMD has beaten, while WVU has beat VT and Pitt decisively.
If you're going to say WV is decent, than you have to add Clemson in there also. UVa is a little better win than people will admit also.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I agree UMD should be ranked higher. But I don't have much faith in the voters. Plus I don't think MD will beat NC state anyway.

Though schedule strenght is important. WVU is the only decent team UMD has beaten, while WVU has beat VT and Pitt decisively.


As I said before, nobody will remember the MD/WV game, particularly the voters. The voters only look at the most recent weekend when they do rankings.

[twikoff]

well.. OSU is projected to pass USC in the BCS rankings today.. because usc dropped in some of the computer polls thanks to the damage arizona did to their SOS, while OSU will get a boost from playing/beating purdue.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
If you're going to say WV is decent, than you have to add Clemson in there also. UVa is a little better win than people will admit also.

True, clemson should be in their with their win over FSU. Has UVA beat anyone of the calibur of WVU and Clemsons big wins (VT, Pitt, FSU)? If not they deserve no credit IMO.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Red Dog
As I said before, nobody will remember the MD/WV game, particularly the voters. The voters only look at the most recent weekend when they do rankings.

True. Plus that game wasn't even televised. Where as WVU stomped VT and Pitt on national TV (thus more voters saw them).

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Another strike against UMD is that WVU is ranked higher (27th to 29th in the poll above) and will likely remain higher if both teams win out.

In the AP WVU is 25th and UMD is 30th.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
True, clemson should be in their with their win over FSU. Has UVA beat anyone of the calibur of WVU and Clemsons big wins (VT, Pitt, FSU)? If not they deserve no credit IMO.


Actually, now that I think about it, I think that Clemson, if they beat SC, could very well end up in the Gator even if Maryland beats State. I think if State beats MD and Clemson beats SC, Clemson will definitely go to the Gator.

[Josh H]

Could end up being a rematch of the 1989 Gator Bowl in which Clemson beat WVU 27-7.

[BCorbett]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Actually, now that I think about it, I think that Clemson, if they beat SC, could very well end up in the Gator even if Maryland beats State. I think if State beats MD and Clemson beats SC, Clemson will definitely go to the Gator.


I think if Clemson beats SC they may end up in the Gator regardless of the Maryland-NCSU outcome. In that case, NC State could end up in the Peach even with a loss to Maryland as the Peach likely won't take the Terps two years in a row, knocking them down to the Tangerine.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by BCorbett
I think if Clemson beats SC they may end up in the Gator regardless of the Maryland-NCSU outcome. In that case, NC State could end up in the Peach even with a loss to Maryland as the Peach likely won't take the Terps two years in a row, knocking them down to the Tangerine.


I don't think there is anyway MD goes back to the Peach, and frankly, that is fine by me - been there done that, although the timeslot isn't bad - happy hour on Friday Jan 2. I'd rather see them go Tire (vs a BE team like VT) or Tangerine (vs a Big 12 team like Texas Tech).

If I were to bet, I think there would be a hard push by the Tire Bowl to match Maryland and VT. It is driveable for fans of both schools.

My guesses for ACC bowl slots:
FSU - Orange
Clemson - Gator
NCSU - Peach
Maryland - Tire
GT - Tangerine
UVA or Wake - Humanitarian

[wildcatlh]

FSU to the Orange only if Miami doesn't win the Big East. If Miami does win the BE, I have a feeling that FSU would be Fiesta or even Rose-bound, depending on how the BCS shakes out.

[zak52]

If MD wins out I think they will get the Gator Bowl. Eventhough Clemson travels well, I don't think the Gator Bowl representatives will bypass the Terps again. I think the Terps will have to lose again to fall to the Tire Bowl.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
In the AP WVU is 25th and UMD is 30th.
In the BCS, MD is 37th and WV is 47th.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate/cf-bcs.htm

[twikoff]

that might change after the win over pitt

i thought the bcs was suppose to be released at 4pm est :hscratch:

[Y2K Falcon]

Up now...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/2003/bcs/



1. Oklahoma 1.80
2. Ohio State 7.52
3. Southern Cal 7.71
4. LSU 12.21
5. Texas 16.35
6. Georgia 16.73
7. Tennessee 18.15
8. Texas Christian 19.27
9. Michigan 19.73
10. Washington St 21.03

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
If MD wins out I think they will get the Gator Bowl. Eventhough Clemson travels well, I don't think the Gator Bowl representatives will bypass the Terps again. I think the Terps will have to lose again to fall to the Tire Bowl.

Depends on the BE. If WVU is 2nd, the Gator will take them. We've sold out our alotment every time we've played there.

I doubt they'd put UMD in there and make a rematch of a yearly game.

So you better root for Pitt to beat Miami, and hope that Pitt doesn't stay more than 5 spots ahead of WVU in the BCS, otherwise UMD isn't going to the Gator.

But again, they won't beat NC State so it doesn't matter. ;)

[zak52]

Originally posted by twikoff
that might change after the win over pitt

i thought the bcs was suppose to be released at 4pm est :hscratch:
Those were updated. But, looking at the poll again, that wasn't the BCS rankings. It said BCS rankings but sure wasn't them.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Depends on the BE. If WVU is 2nd, the Gator will take them.


MD is a lock for the Gator if they win out. WV is a lock for the Tire Bowl again.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
MD is a lock for the Gator if they win out. WV is a lock for the Tire Bowl again.

Total BS. If WVU is second in the BE, they will be in the Gator Bowl. There's absolutely no doubt about that.

If MD wins out, there only chance is that the Gator Bowl is willing to make a match up of two teams that already play every year (something that will not happen).

And my track record on predictions is much better than yours when it comes to WVU. ;) The Gator is all over us, after ND, we are their preference out of the BE side of the contract. The president said as much last year when he said we were in if ND got a BCS at large.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Total BS.

MD wins out = Gator Bowl

Book it

Just hope NC State wins Saturday.


And my track record on predictions is much better than yours when it comes to WVU. ;)
Wow, that's the first prediction you made that was correct. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[twikoff]

polls thread is up
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=330513

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
MD wins out = Gator Bowl

Book it


Not if WVU is 2nd in the BCS.

Book it.

[Dah-Dee]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
WVU is 2nd in the BCS.

:jawdrop:

[zak52]

Originally posted by Dah-Dee
:jawdrop:

That's WV for ya. Finish second in the BCS and go to the Gator Bowl. rotfl

[Red Dog]

I really don't see how Maryland can get to the Gator, zak. At worst, WV finishes tied for 1st in the BE. Why would the Gator pick Miami? Who in the world from Miami would want to go to Jacksonville? That leaves only WV and there is no way they will stage a rematch.

[Red Dog]

Interesting - maybe the Gator is not too high on WVU:

Gator Bait? Terps in Position For Bowl Invite

By Eric Prisbell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 18, 2003; Page D01

The Gator Bowl is expected to offer Maryland a berth if the Terrapins win their final two regular season games. The bowl's nine-member committee, which has been monitoring Maryland for a month, could offer an invitation for the Jan. 1 game on Sunday if the Terps beat North Carolina State on Saturday and Clemson loses to South Carolina.

The Gator Bowl selection committee, which meets on Sunday morning, prefers that Maryland wins its final two games, although a scenario exists in which the Terps could be invited if they win Saturday and lose their final game at Wake Forest.

One possible matchup in the Gator Bowl, which matches teams from the ACC and Big East, is Maryland against Virginia Tech -- two teams that will compete in the revamped Atlantic Coast Conference next year.

The committee discussed yesterday whether to simply invite the winner of Saturday's N.C. State-Maryland game, Gator Bowl President Rick Catlett said. But the idea was rejected, Catlett said, in part because Clemson would have been excluded prematurely and Maryland would have one remaining game.

"You just don't want to make any mistakes at this point," Catlett said. "There are only a couple scenarios. There are three teams -- N.C. State, Maryland and Clemson. We would be very happy to select any one of those teams. Our criteria is fans, TV, help our title sponsor out and [get] a good, highly ranked team."

Last year, the Gator Bowl chose N.C. State over Maryland despite the Terps' superior conference record and defeat of the Wolfpack earlier in the season. The Gator Bowl pays $1.6 million to each participating team.

Maryland, which won its Peach Bowl meeting with Tennessee last year, is in second place in the ACC with an overall record of 7-3 and 4-2 in conference. The Gator Bowl has the second pick in selecting an ACC team after the Bowl Championship Series' pick of the conference champion, which this year will be Florida State. The Gator Bowl will pick the second-place ACC team or a team within one conference win. It also will pick the first available team in the Big East not headed to the BCS.

Catlett said the Gator Bowl, which he said pumps $35 million into the Jacksonville, Fla., community, would prefer not to have a rematch of a regular season game, which would happen if Maryland plays West Virginia, but he did not exclude that possibility. Calling a potential Maryland-Virginia Tech Gator Bowl "sexy," Catlett said the bowl strives for strong matchups such as its Florida State-Virginia Tech game in 2002.

Meantime, Peach Bowl President Gary Stokan was expected to discuss possible scenarios before the selection committee last night for the Jan. 2 game, which will match teams from the ACC and Southeastern Conference. The Peach Bowl has the third choice in choosing an ACC team.

"I think we all [all of the ACC-affiliated bowls] would like to get something done this week from the ACC side," Stokan said. "I don't think that could happen, looking at all the scenarios. But we'd like to help those bowls that happen before Christmas on the ACC side if we could."

The Peach Bowl, which pays $2.2 million this year to each participating team, likely will wait for a move by the Gator Bowl. A possible Peach Bowl matchup that could attract national attention is N.C. State against Ole Miss, which would pit Wolfpack quarterback Philip Rivers against Ole Miss's Eli Manning.

In addition to the Maryland-N.C. State game, Clemson travels to South Carolina on Saturday. Clemson traditionally "travels well" -- a factor bowl officials use in determining how many fans likely would buy tickets for the game. Catlett, though, said N.C. State, Maryland and Clemson all travel well, and that Maryland, if selected, would be expected to bring at least 15,000 fans.

"I don't think we're concerned about the number of people any longer from most of the ACC schools," Catlett said. "Even Virginia has traveled a lot better in the last few years. I think the fans of the teams have been charged up because of the new coaching and the success all the teams are having now

[das Monkey]

That tells me nothing ... I want to know how the fans are going to blame Notre Dame! ;)

das

[Josh H]

I'll have to revise my earlier statement. I wasn't thinking about Miami. If Pitt beats them they won't get a BCS bowl, and they'd be the obvious choice for the Gator bowl being it's in their state and they have a huge following. So WVU (and VT for that matter) really need Miami to win the conference to have a shot at the Gator.

That sucks the Gator is so high on UMD who was killed by the only really good team they played this year. Hopefully NC State will kick the shit out of them next week and it won't matter.

I'd love to see an NC State/WVU or NC State/VT matchup. Those would make the best games IMO. I don't think Clemson could play with either WVU (Rodriguez coached their before, knows the system inside out) or VT, and VT would beat UMD handidly IMO.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle

I'd love to see an NC State/WVU or NC State/VT matchup. Those would make the best games IMO. I don't think Clemson could play with either WVU (Rodriguez coached their before, knows the system inside out) or VT, and VT would beat UMD handidly IMO.



Maryland is pretty good against the run, and if VT can't run, well.... VT barely beat Temple, so I don't know why you say what you say.

Also, I think the bigger concern for you would be Miami beating Pitt and Pitt getting that Gator Bowl spot. I think WVU is more likely to get a Gator Bowl invite if Miami is their competition for that slot. As I said before, who from Miami is going to want to go to Jacksonville?

By the way, 4/4 espn.com college football writers have projected a Pitt-Maryland Gator Bowl.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Red Dog

Also, I think the bigger concern for you would be Miami beating Pitt and Pitt getting that Gator Bowl spot. I think WVU is more likely to get a Gator Bowl invite if Miami is their competition for that slot. As I said before, who from Miami is going to want to go to Jacksonville?


It would be a travesty if Pitt, who just got trounced by WVU on national TV, got the gator over WVU. Not to mention their fans don't travel nearly as well. Just not as enthusiastic a fan base in general as the Steelers are their as well, and sucky for a decade or so didn't help.

I think Miami would get it over WVU as they beat us, and I still think people would go to the game, even though is a disappointing bowl for them. I mean they're in the same state, it's much easier to sell 30,000 tickets to a game that doesn't involve flying or driving for hours for fans.


As for Maryland, they haven't beat anyone of VT's calibur so that's why I say what I say. They caught us early in the year when we're still trying to get our O and D lines set and playing like crap. Other than that they've beaten patsies, got killed by FSU, lost to a crappy GT team, and did nothing in the second half against a mediocre UVA team. Nothing there shows me they can play with VT, assuming they show up (unlike the Temple fluke).

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
It would be a travesty if Pitt, who just got trounced by WVU on national TV, got the gator over WVU.


Gator Bowl officials obviously don't care about such things as evidenced by last year's ACC selection.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Maryland is pretty good against the run, and if VT can't run, well.... VT barely beat Temple, so I don't know why you say what you say.


They haven't beat anyone of VT's calibur so that's why I say what I say. They caught us early in the year when we're still trying to get our O and D lines set and playing like crap. Other than that they've beaten patsies, got killed by FSU, lost to a crappy GT team, and did nothing in the second half against a mediocre UVA team. Nothing there shows me they can play with VT, assuming they show up (unlike the Temple fluke).

Originally posted by Red Dog
Gator Bowl officials obviously don't care about such things as evidenced by last year's ACC selection.


I assumed that had to do with UMD not being a prestigious football school, and fans having not established whether or not they traveled well to bowls recently as they went like 15 years without a bowl before the past couple. Plus NC state had Rivers which made it a more attractive TV matchup. So if Pitt gets it, I'd see it being because of Fittzgerald being one of the best known players this season, which is still a travesty. At least f**king ND isn't involved this time.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle


As for Maryland, they haven't beat anyone of VT's calibur so that's why I say what I say. They caught us early in the year when we're still trying to get our O and D lines set and playing like crap. Other than that they've beaten patsies, got killed by FSU, lost to a crappy GT team, and did nothing in the second half against a mediocre UVA team. Nothing there shows me they can play with VT, assuming they show up (unlike the Temple fluke).


Whatever. You say that and then you give it a caveat to cover the blowout win over WVU. It seems pretty clear to me that Maryland is playing better now than they did earlier in the season too, or do you just wish to ignore that? Gee they had a backup RB run for 250 yds vs UVA in a game where the winds were blowing at 50 MPH. Oh but they didn't do anything in the 2nd half. :rolleyes:

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle

I assumed that had to do with UMD not being a prestigious football school, and fans having not established whether or not they traveled well to bowls recently as they went like 15 years without a bowl before the past couple. Plus NC state had Rivers which made it a more attractive TV matchup. So if Pitt gets it, I'd see it being because of Fittzgerald being one of the best known players this season, which is still a travesty. At least f**king ND isn't involved this time.


And NC State is a prestigious football school? :hscratch: Which school played in a BCS game the year before?

[Josh H]

Re-read my post, I said NC State got it for Rivers. UMD had no big star players.

I was refering to WVU being more prestigious than WVU and thus slightly less likely to get screwed.

And no one cares about a fluke season that resulted in a BCS bowl just because FSU (who still killed UMD) had a down year.

It would be like WVU lucking into a BCS bowl this year if they end up winning the BE. No one will care next year because it was a fluke and we're clearly not a BCS bowl caliber team (just like UMD two years ago).

[zak52]

Red Dog, One thing I learned about Josh is he won't give any credit to the Terps. When the Terps blew out WV the last two years, WV just didn't show up to play. :lol:

BTW, so much for your track record Josh. rotfl

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Re-read my post, I said NC State got it for Rivers. UMD had no big star players.

I was refering to WVU being more prestigious than WVU and thus slightly less likely to get screwed.

And no one cares about a fluke season that resulted in a BCS bowl just because FSU (who still killed UMD) had a down year.

It would be like WVU lucking into a BCS bowl this year if they end up winning the BE. No one will care next year because it was a fluke and we're clearly not a BCS bowl caliber team (just like UMD two years ago).


I'm not saying it wasn't a fluke but to imply that NC State is some prestigious football school is ridiculous.

I don't think Rivers was a big deal last year. Nobody outside ACC country, except total die-hards, knew about him last year.

[Josh H]

I never said they were a prestigious school. I was implyint that WVU was more prestigious that UMD.

With NC State, I was simply saying Rivers made the difference (plus it seemed like they had more national TV games than UMD).

I don't follow the ACC hardly at all, and I heard about Rivers a lot last year, he had good numbers and they talked about him on the highlight shows all the time.

[Josh H]

Originally posted by zak52
Red Dog, One thing I learned about Josh is he won't give any credit to the Terps. When the Terps blew out WV the last two years, WV just didn't show up to play.



Only a UMD fan would say that the WVU team that played UMD in September was playing anything like the one that nearly beat Miami and stomped VT and Pitt.

I give UMD credit, they showed up and kicked the crap out us. I just said in the other thread I would rank them ahead of WVU eventhough they have no big wins. I put more stock in head to head matchups.

Even though WVU wasn't playing at our current level, I'm not willing to say they're a better team than UMD this year when we lost 34-7. That would be a ludicrous homer statement.

If we played again, I don't think it would be 34-7. I think it would be a dog fight decided in the last minutes. But that's irrelavant, the 34-7.

I can't help my bias against UMD, I'm probably stuck here for a few years (as I like the professor I work with, have a free ride and a decent salary on top of that), but this place is an absolute ghetto shithole. :D

Originally posted by zak52

BTW, so much for your track record Josh.

Can't be right all the time. :D Though I was never that confident (not sure I even predicted) that we'd beat UMD the past two years. Especially not 2 years ago when we were coming of a 3-8 and UMD was off a BCS bowl.

[zak52]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle

Can't be right all the time. :D Though I was never that confident (not sure I even predicted) that we'd beat UMD the past two years. Especially not 2 years ago when we were coming of a 3-8 and UMD was off a BCS bowl.
Well this was more directed at your arrogant prediction that the Gator Bowl would take WV over MD. So is this a fluke two years in a row now. :lol:

Like I said before, you better hope NC State beats MD.

[Josh H]

NC State will beat MD.

I think the bigger problem is the Gator wants Pitt and the TV hype/appeal that comes with Fitzgerald.

I didn't factor that into the equation before. I don't think they'd take UMD and screw WVU, I think it would be the other way around if not for the Fitzgerald factor. WVU is a bigger name in football, the highlights of the VT and Pitt games were all over the place. The best plays of October segment on Sportscenter had "Starring..." list and "West Virginia Mountaineers" was displayed prominently and the segment featured highlights from the Miami and VT games.

WVU has a larger fan following historically as the whole state except for a minority of Marshall fans is 100% behind them as there's not competition from pro teams in the state (though UMD seems to be gaining with the recent success) and WVU has more national hype this year, so I think the Gator would be foolish to take them over WVU. The ranking is a factor too. Even though I think UMD should be above WVU, if both win out, I'd be shocked if the stupid voters got it right. Maybe if NC State had one last weekend, and you beat them. But with all their unlucky losses, a win over NC State isn't all that attractive, and probably not enough for the lame voters to put UMD where the belong above WVU if both win out given that more saw WVU's impressive showings against Miami/VT/Pitt on national TV and the tons of highlights (especially Wilson's run against Miami).

But who knows.

[Red Dog]

Maryland did not get into the Gator because of State and Rivers. They did not get in because of Notre Dame - the Gator did not want to stage a rematch. Simple as that. Now maybe UVA did not into the Gator because there was a notion that State fans were more likely to show up.

[BCorbett]

State got into the Gator last year because of a late season win over FSU and a fan base that travels better than UVA or Maryland. Maryland couldn't even sell our their final home game last year, much less take more fans to Jacksonville than NCSU.

For those same reasons, Clemson will get the Gator this year with a win over USC. (Of course Tommy Bowden's situation could play a part there.) Gator Bowl officials are already saying the the loser of the NCSU-Maryland game is "eliminated" from consideration, and I really think they want Clemson first and foremost.

My predicition still remains, with a Clemson win over USC:
Gator - Clemson
Peach - NCSU
Tangerine - Maryland

As an NC State fan, that's my preferred scenario as I'd rather match up against an SEC team than a Big East team, particularly a Va. Tech team that we'll play next year anyway. Hopefully Rivers will get a chance to go head to head with Manning.

With a Clemson loss, then I think the winner of NCSU-Maryland goes to the Gator and the loser to the Tangerine with Clemson sliding into the Peach.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by BCorbett
State got into the Gator last year because of a late season win over FSU and a fan base that travels better than UVA or Maryland. Maryland couldn't even sell our their final home game last year, much less take more fans to Jacksonville than NCSU.



Keep telling yourself that. I guess you missed how many fans MD brought to the Orange and Peach Bowls the last 2 years. Had Maryland not already played Notre Dame in 2002, they would have gone to the Gator. Simple as that.

As for the final home game, convenient to ignore the fact that it took place Thanksgiving weekend and was a meaningless game since the bowl bids had already been decided.

Now if you want to use the fan attendance argument against UVA, you have a case there.

[BCorbett]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Keep telling yourself that. I guess you missed how many fans MD brought to the Orange and Peach Bowls the last 2 years. Had Maryland not already played Notre Dame in 2002, they would have gone to the Gator. Simple as that.

As for the final home game, convenient to ignore the fact that it took place Thanksgiving weekend and was a meaningless game since the bowl bids had already been decided.

Now if you want to use the fan attendance argument against UVA, you have a case there.

If you care to search for the threads where we talked about this last year, you'll find an article I posted at the time that cites the win over FSU as a major factor in the bowl committee's decision. And I'm sure the 40 thousand fans that filled Jacksonville last year helped the committee feel pretty good about their choice.

Use whatever excuse you will for not selling out on Senior Day...it really doesn't matter to me.

It's a year old, though, and there's a Gator Bowl trophy in Raleigh. That's the only fact I care about.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by BCorbett

It's a year old, though, and there's a Gator Bowl trophy in Raleigh. That's the only fact I care about.

Does it sit next to the 4th place trophy? :lol:

[BCorbett]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Does it sit next to the 4th place trophy? :lol:


Nah, but if you'd have come to the parade you could have had your picture taken with it. If you had been lucky, you could have even put on a pair of goofy sunglasses!

[Josh H]

Originally posted by Red Dog
Maryland did not get into the Gator because of State and Rivers. They did not get in because of Notre Dame - the Gator did not want to stage a rematch. Simple as that. Now maybe UVA did not into the Gator because there was a notion that State fans were more likely to show up.

True. I forgot about the ass whipping ND put on UMD last year.

[zak52]

Originally posted by BCorbett
Nah, but if you'd have come to the parade you could have had your picture taken with it. If you had been lucky, you could have even put on a pair of goofy sunglasses!
rotfl
This still kills me. The team finishes in fourth place and they have a parade. That's pretty sad.