Yeah I noticed the accents and don't speak a shred of Japanese. Uma and Lucy try speaking Japanese as if it's english - it just doesn't work all that well :D (the only asian language that seemingly can get away with that is Korean) It's just really off through the entire flick (which isn't a problem for Uma but I laughed about it for Lucy since her character speaks perfect Japanese in the anime sequence, duh :))
Julie Dreyfus on the otherhand is French and speaks fluent Japanese (as well as fluent English and French) and is an actress (small stuff) in Japan. She has a casting credit as well for playing translator with Tarantino in Japan to get a few of the Japanese roles filled.
Mondo Kane
11-09-03, 09:32 PM
Kill Bill gets it's first award nomination!
Scroll down to the bottom (http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=85089238&p=85x89944)
Geofferson
11-09-03, 10:39 PM
Glad to see it up for some awards as I see it being shunned by the U.S. awards circuit.
minguy
11-09-03, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by RichC2
(the only asian language that seemingly can get away with that is Korean)
Examples?
isamu
11-10-03, 10:44 PM
Y is this on page two? BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!
RichC2
11-10-03, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by minguy
Examples?
It's odd I know, but for the way I hear narration in Korean movies (most current example being Wonderful Days) they way it's spoken is very.. american I suppose - the word structure and pauses (anunciation, however you spell it) are similar. Actually there have been a few times where I thought it was in english and I just couldn't hear the damn things (Volcano High and WD come to mind instantly with that)...
it is really just kind of an out-of-left-field comment, but ah well :D
Aphex Twin
11-11-03, 10:24 PM
http://maddox.xmission.com/fatnerd1.gif
RichC2
11-11-03, 11:42 PM
rofl. Give me 10 years and I'll have that guy beat (though I don't worship Miyazaki)
This is off topic but any of you guys seen this lil anime called Cat Soup? Won some awards, it like 34 minutes long, has no dialogue, and the only quote on back subtley states "It's Hello Kitty on Acid." I feel like picking it up but $20 for 34 minutes is just.. steep.
SideShow
11-13-03, 01:57 PM
Well I saw this movie for the second time yesterday, and I loved it. I skimmed over the first threads and I'm glad that it answered the dotted "T" question.
At the showing I was at an older couple walked out during the scene with Copperhead and Black Mamba in the kitchen (I think because of the language of all these) and these horrible loud, stupid women walked out when we saw why GoGo was such a badass. I was glad they left though since those were the people that were talking during the movie. After that I was the only female left in there, which was kind of unfortunate but hey. I really loved this movie, and can't wait for volume 2.
matome
11-13-03, 02:50 PM
Just in case no one checks the main forum, the DVD for Part I is arriving on 2/3. No specs yet.
Burzmali
11-24-03, 12:25 PM
New to the board, and I was wondering what this movie was about. People seem to really like it, and I would love to understand their perspective. If I watch it again with a different perspective, maybe I will like it.
For me, it's the worst movie I've ever seen. The action, writing, and acting are all painfully bad and the plot is nauseatingly simplistic.
To all the QT fanboys, don't flame me please. It's just opinion.
FWIW, I also thought Reservoir Dogs was horrible and Pulp Fiction, while good, was extremely overrated.
ianholm
11-24-03, 12:37 PM
You've pretty much come in at the end of the discussion cycle here, but you shoud check the two previous threads to this that were closed due to the length.
Kill Bill Vol. 1 Thread - PART 1 (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=319948&highlight=kill+bill)
Kill Bill Vol. 1 thread - PART 2 (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323717&highlight=kill+bill)
gcribbs
11-24-03, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Burzmali
New to the board, and I was wondering what this movie was about. People seem to really like it, and I would love to understand their perspective. If I watch it again with a different perspective, maybe I will like it.
For me, it's the worst movie I've ever seen. The action, writing, and acting are all painfully bad and the plot is nauseatingly simplistic.
To all the QT fanboys, don't flame me please. It's just opinion.
FWIW, I also thought Reservoir Dogs was horrible and Pulp Fiction, while good, was extremely overrated.
Reservoir dogs was horrible?
based on that alone I could have told you to pass on Kill Bill.
What QT fanboys?
I doubt you will like it even if you try to see it with a different perspective. Save your money.
IMO :)
Sessa17
11-24-03, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Burzmali
New to the board, and I was wondering what this movie was about.
For me, it's the worst movie I've ever seen. The action, writing, and acting are all painfully bad and the plot is nauseatingly simplistic.
To all the QT fanboys, don't flame me please. It's just opinion.
I'm all for people having their own views & all, but the only reason you would be flamed is b/c you made these very bold contrary opinions without backing them up whatsover, thus making you look like you are just "being that guy". You don't like the movie, that's cool, but how on earth was the "action bad", please explain that. And the entire point of the genre of the movie, is that the post is suppose to be extremely simple.
covenant
11-24-03, 05:12 PM
Penalty for using the same catch phrase in two threads
re: "that guy"
Sessa17
11-24-03, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by covenant
Penalty for using the same catch phrase in two threads
re: "that guy"
Penalty for paying WAY to much attention to a random strangers posts:)
covenant
11-24-03, 05:17 PM
I forgot the -wink-
minguy
11-24-03, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by RichC2
It's odd I know, but for the way I hear narration in Korean movies (most current example being Wonderful Days) they way it's spoken is very.. american I suppose - the word structure and pauses (anunciation, however you spell it) are similar. Actually there have been a few times where I thought it was in english and I just couldn't hear the damn things (Volcano High and WD come to mind instantly with that)...
it is really just kind of an out-of-left-field comment, but ah well :D
Hmm. Interesting.
I was expecting you to offer examples of English-lanuage films with some Korean (not Korean films). Isn't that what you were saying, that Korean would be the easiest to mimic for Enligh-speaking actors?
I asked for examples cause every American film I've seen with actors attempting Korean has been painful to hear. Most recent example: Die Another Day.
Although, admittedly, I'm not familiar with other languages so I can't make comparisons.
Are you located in Korea? I would love to see Wonderful Days and Volcano High.
Imodium
11-25-03, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by Burzmali
For me, it's the worst movie I've ever seen. The action, writing, and acting are all painfully bad and the plot is nauseatingly simplistic.
Well, that was kind of the point.
It's a kung-fu film. What's the last kung-fu movie you've seen where the plot was deeply intricate with twists left and right?
The writing is in that kind of cliche kung-fu style because, again, that's the kind of movie QT was trying to make. I don't understand how you could hate the action, though. Whatever reason I'm sure it could be answered by something I've already typed.
I like it because of how it's done. The style of the film and the various nods to other films. It's a nice tribute to kung-fu movies.
If you aren't a fan of that genre, which you obviously aren't, you shouldn't have gone in expecting to enjoy yourself in the least bit.
cultshock
11-25-03, 02:51 AM
It's the modern equivalent of a 60s-70s exploitation film, an almost dead genre (?) today in Hollywood (theatrical releases anyway). People either "get it" or in many cases, they don't. When I first saw it, I realized that many people (I hesitate to use the term "mainstream audiences", but yeah, I guess I mean those people) wouldn't like it, but you know, that kinda makes me like it even more. :)
caipirina
11-25-03, 06:20 PM
http://216.25.1.177/capture.jpg
This 3 pannel thing comes up at the beginning of chapter 3 "origin of o-ren ishii"
ok .. oren in the middle, right is Boss Matsumoto ... but that "being" on the left ??? it does not at all like the cute O-ren we see a bit later ... it actually looks more like a boy ... a very young Bill ???
Interesting too, the T-Shirt says "5-5" five in japanese is Go ... so .. GoGo ? A reference to the Yubaris ???
any other ideas ??? a childhood drawing of QT ? O-Ren's long lost brother ?
Mondo Kane
11-25-03, 07:15 PM
I forgot where I read it, but Quentin said that a friend of his had drawn those sketches above (I think it's the same guy who did the "Big Kahuna/Red Apples" logos)
Those pics were probably made prior to Quentin's meeting with Production IG and those guys took it from there. It's possible that they came up with the idea to make O-Ren a bit younger in the first half of the anime sequence. But anyways, it's definetly O-Ren.
cultshock
11-26-03, 03:13 AM
The voice-over narration seems to state that the illustration on the left is supposed to be a young O-Ren, but it definitely seemed strange to me.
fumanstan
11-27-03, 08:17 PM
Finally got around to seeing this movie the other night. I actually expected the theater to be empty but there was a good 20 or so people there. I have to say that i was quite dissapointed. The action was superb, but i was left bored throughout many of the scenes. I think that ending with some great scenes (The Bride vs. 88, Go Go, and Oren) made me leave the theater feeling a bit more satisfied with the rest of the film. Regardless of what QT was doing with the film, it just wasnt entertaining as i had hoped it would be. Still, some impressive fights and vintage QT music saved it for me and made me look forward to Part 2 and the DVD.
Oh yeah, the Black and White was a bit annoying... the anime was alright, but thought it could be better. And the hottest girl was Sofie. Lucy is a dog :)
Darren Garrison
11-27-03, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by RichC2
rofl. Give me 10 years and I'll have that guy beat (though I don't worship Miyazaki)
This is off topic but any of you guys seen this lil anime called Cat Soup? Won some awards, it like 34 minutes long, has no dialogue, and the only quote on back subtley states "It's Hello Kitty on Acid." I feel like picking it up but $20 for 34 minutes is just.. steep.
Only one paragraph of that "review" was actually about the film.
Talk about masturbatory writing. This guy will go blind long before Tarantino.
Groucho
11-28-03, 08:34 AM
I have seen that review before, perhaps on this forum. A bad review like that doesn't bother me: I still love the film. But the guy is writing from complete ignorance about filmmaking. He thinks that 4 months is enough time for Tarantino to see Matrix Reloaded in theaters and then make a movie where he rips off the "Burly Brawl."
Jay G.
11-30-03, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Groucho
But the guy is writing from complete ignorance about filmmaking. He thinks that 4 months is enough time for Tarantino to see Matrix Reloaded in theaters and then make a movie where he rips off the "Burly Brawl."
Not only that, but I think Kill Bill was done filming before Reloaded came out, and the original script was written several years beforehand. If anything, Reloaded could've ripped off the scene from Kill Bill.
Pauly
11-30-03, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Jay G.
If anything, Reloaded could've ripped off the scene from Kill Bill.
Um, yeah...or maybe BOTH movies ripped-off their respective scenes from the countless dozens of other Asian films with similar scenes. A recent example is Jet Li taking on an entire mojo by himself in Fist of Legend
jough
12-01-03, 12:59 AM
Do you mean "dojo"?
Darren Garrison
12-01-03, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by jough
Do you mean "dojo"?
No, Mojo.
http://members.aol.com/chumpy/mojo2.jpg
jough
12-01-03, 09:43 AM
Pauly wrote "an entire mojo" which would be a strange thing if he meant that thing above, which would imply that one could fight only part of it.
Mondo Kane
12-08-03, 02:54 PM
New anime image from the next animated sequence in Vol 2.
http://www.cgnetworks.com/stories/2003_12/killbill/bride02.jpg
Interview with the animators on Vol 1's anime sequence:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/story_custom.php?story_id=1824
metaridley
12-08-03, 08:17 PM
There's going to be another anime sequence, in Kill Bill: Volume 2? Cool, hopefully it will be better than the first!
P.S. That review that slammed Kill Bill: Volume 1 was total shit.
Rypro 525
12-08-03, 08:17 PM
one question, i forgot, was any of the crazy 88 sequence in color. i am pretty sure that the first part (there was a big fight before she battled go go right) was in color, and then it went to black and white.
Jay G.
12-08-03, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Rypro 525
one question, i forgot, was any of the crazy 88 sequence in color. i am pretty sure that the first part (there was a big fight before she battled go go right) was in color, and then it went to black and white.
Yes, a good portion of the Crazy 88 fight was in color in the US cut. It's only the most gratuitously violent part that was shown in B&W.
Scorpio
12-09-03, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by Mondo Kane
Interview with the animators on Vol 1's anime sequence:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/story_custom.php?story_id=1824
Great link! :)
Jackskeleton
12-09-03, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Jay G.
Yes, a good portion of the Crazy 88 fight was in color in the US cut. It's only the most gratuitously violent part that was shown in B&W.
from eye pull to eye blink.
ianholm
12-10-03, 10:32 AM
Mao says the Kill Bill Vol. 1 DVD will be pushed back a month or two. :(
jough
12-16-03, 06:49 PM
A month or two? That's foolish, since Volume 2 already opens about three weeks after Vol. 1 is supposed to be released.
matome
12-18-03, 10:00 AM
Uma has been nominated for Best Actress: Drama Golden Globe. So if she wins, could she be nominated again for Vol 2 next year?
metaridley
12-18-03, 10:14 AM
I sure hope so, especially since Volume 2 looks like it will be even better than Volume 1!
(1/8/04) During a recent appearance on ABC's "The View," Uma Thurman announced that the release date has been pushed back two months until April 16th, 2004
isamu
01-09-04, 06:19 PM
I swear if Vol.1 doesn't come out in Feb.20 I may be forced to buy the bootleg...**** that :mad:
Jackskeleton
01-09-04, 06:47 PM
why buy when you can simply download? ;) without the need of lining some bootleggers pocket, you can save the :10bucks: aswell as have the movie till the dvd comes out.
isamu
01-09-04, 07:11 PM
Hmm, that's a good point...see this thread (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=337636) :p
dvd_talker
04-14-04, 04:37 PM
rented this last night.
i think they used a body double for closeups of uma's feet. ;)
Dr. DVD
04-14-04, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by dvd_talker
rented this last night.
i think they used a body double for closeups of uma's feet. ;)
What about that shot where Gordon Liu has fallen into a pond where the camera is shooting through her legs with her booty at the top of the screen?
I meant to only watch a little bit of this last night but wound up watching the whole thing. Movie just draws you in and doesn't let go.
reubs82
04-14-04, 08:45 PM
I picked this up last night after a rental yesterday, and I was floored. I rented it b/c I didn't know what to expect. I didn't like Pulp Fiction the first time I saw it, but I fell in love with it on subsequent viewings. I'm not a kung-fu film buff, and I haven't gotten into Leone's spaghetti westerns either. In other words, I had NO IDEA what films QT was paying tribute to.
IMO, though, this film was a tour-de-force. From the moment it started until it ended, I was glued to the TV. My only gripe is that some of the fight scenes ended a little quickly, esp. with Vernita Green and O Ren. But, at the same time, the way they ended was pretty unexpected to me anyway.
As far as the anime goes, I've never seen any so I can't be a judge on the quality of that section. I enjoyed it, so as far as I'm concerned it was pretty good. The B&W section also didn't bother me so much. Did he do taht for the US release for ratings reasons or just to cause people to hunt down the Japanese version?
FInally, I think I'm glad it's split up b/c I couldn't sit through three hours of that without being worn out. I can't wait for Vol. 2, and I hope it ends up being as good as Vol. 1.
TheMadMonk
04-14-04, 10:17 PM
Question... On my dvd, there are 3 instances (that I caught) where someone would say the real name of Uma's character, but they are kinda bleeped out; two during scenes with "copperhead", and one later in the film. what is the deal with that? At first I thought it was a defect on the dvd, but it happens on both the DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 tracks, and only when someone is saying her name. I would have read the other threads already about this movie, but there are way too many posts to read through. Thanks.
RichC2
04-14-04, 10:19 PM
Question... On my dvd, there are 3 instances (that I caught) where someone would say the real name of Uma's character, but they are kinda bleeped out; two during scenes with "copperhead", and one later in the film. what is the deal with that? At first I thought it was a defect on the dvd, but it happens on both the DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1 tracks, and only when someone is saying her name. I would have read the other threads already about this movie, but there are way too many posts to read through. Thanks.
That was intentional and it's how the movie was in theaters.
It was Tarantino playing mind games, he wanted The Bride to remain mysterious and just be "The Bride" for volume 1, and opted to draw attention to it by making it a loud bleep instead of muting it out.
This actually, imo, bodes well for the movie and makes it seem more "self contained" - you have the "mysterious" villian and nameless assassin with an interesting alias going around kicking some ass. (If it were all one movie, her name likely wouldn't have been bleeped out)
You can figure her name out numerous ways, and her last name is said, a couple times - though you'd never be able to tell.
Jackskeleton
04-14-04, 10:29 PM
Yup, you will never would have been able to tell her last name since it sounds like any other pet name or random comment you call someone.
jough
04-14-04, 10:32 PM
For those who just want to know, it's:Beatrix Kiddo
TheMadMonk
04-14-04, 10:45 PM
Good; Just glad to know my DVD isn't defective. I got it at Wal-mart, and was afraid they might have censored or edited it (like the do with music they find offensive). (But for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why they would bleep someone's last name, and allow all that blood and swearing!)
kantonburg
06-05-04, 09:12 AM
Rented this last night. Loved the movie.
One question though. In the scene at the beginning with Fox. Why did they beep out Uma's character's name and what were they saying?
matome
06-05-04, 09:31 AM
Check four posts up from yours.
kantonburg
06-05-04, 12:28 PM
Thanks. After reading thread after thread after thread I decided to just jump to the end and ask.
matome
06-05-04, 01:05 PM
Sneak preview: It's bleeped out through the first half of Vol. 2 as well. :)
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