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Old 10-01-03, 09:30 AM
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small details of 2006 pixar film leaking out

found this interesting. i've always heard about this 2006 project but it's been a closely guarded secret. sounds interesting, especially if they will have left disney by then!

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...ss/6757795.htm

High stakes at Disney, Pixar talks
By CLAUDIA ELLER
Los Angeles Times

HOLLYWOOD - Walt Disney Chairman Michael Eisner is straining to make, or break, a deal with Pixar Animation Studios by the time the entertainment giant's board meets at month's end.

The difficult bargaining, which has been under way for the last two weeks, finds Disney and its animation supplier far apart on key issues, according to people familiar with the talks.

Open points include financial terms, whether productions under way would be swept into the new agreement, and how Disney would coordinate the release dates of its animated films with Pixar-supplied movies in which Disney would no longer have ownership under a new deal, the people said.

The stakes are unusually high: Pixar-produced films, including "Finding Nemo" and "Monsters, Inc.," have generated more than $1 billion in total profit for the partners and accounted for about half of Disney Studios' operating profit in recent years.

Eisner hopes to get his board, which is scheduled to meet Sept. 23, to approve a new financial arrangement that would continue his company's 12-year alliance with Emeryville, Calif.-based Pixar -- or to endorse a break-off that would leave Pixar and its chairman, Steve Jobs, free to find a new Hollywood partner.

Representatives of both companies declined to comment on the discussions.

But Disney insiders have made clear that their willingness to concede ground has limits -- notwithstanding Pixar's extraordinary string of five consecutive hits, beginning with the release of "Toy Story" in 1995.

"We're not going to do a deal that's bad for this company," said one top Disney executive.

A Disney source said negotiations probably would stretch beyond the scheduled board meeting, despite Eisner's eagerness to present a plan. The chairman doesn't need the board's approval, but wants its blessing for a decision that appears critical for the company.

The talks were triggered when Pixar last month presented Disney with an aggressive proposal that would extend the companies' five-film deal, but only if the Burbank, Calif.-based company would agree to a radical change in their relationship.

Under the proposal, Disney would give up its 50 percent ownership in Pixar-produced films, agreeing instead to distribute the pictures, possibly for a fee of 10 percent or less, sources have said. A major sticking point is Pixar's demand that even upcoming films "The Incredibles" and "Cars," both due under the current contract, be subject to the more Pixar-friendly terms of the proposed deal.

Pixar has extraordinary leverage in the talks because competing studios such as AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Bros., News Corp.'s 20th Century Fox, and Sony Corp.'s Columbia Pictures have made clear their willingness to enter negotiations with the computer animation powerhouse.

Jobs, who successfully squeezed Disney to renegotiate his original 1991 contract after "Toy Story" turned into a runaway hit, has been further emboldened by a belief that Pixar's brand name now rivals Disney's among filmgoers, according to sources.

Disney puts up half the production cost of Pixar films in return for 50 percent ownership, but also collects a distribution fee of 12.5 percent, giving it more than half the profits from each film.

The studio is said to be balking not only at Pixar's new financial demands, but also at contractual terms that might limit its ability to position its in-house animated films. Disney is wary, for instance, of ceding too much space on its release schedule for Pixar films that it would no longer own -- a condition that might prove particularly galling to Disney studio chief Dick Cook, a longtime film distribution executive who is conducting day-to-day negotiations with Pixar.

Despite the tough bargaining, Disney and Pixar have good reason to find common ground. Disney's global marketing and distribution strength has been a strong complement to Pixar's expertise with technology and story development. And Pixar might find a new marriage awkward in one key regard: Disney would continue to hold lucrative sequel rights in all of its existing films.

Eisner and Jobs have long been at odds over the business of sequels. The Disney chief has insisted on enforcing contractual terms under which they don't count toward the films Pixar owes Disney, while the Pixar CEO has argued that they should count. The standoff has stalled the production of a third installment of the "Toy Story" series.

After delivering "Finding Nemo" to Disney this spring, Jobs was contractually free to enter into a new distribution arrangement with another studio, although any new deal wouldn't take effect until after the release of "Cars" in 2005. The huge success of "Nemo" -- it has taken in $334 million at the U.S. box office and become the highest-grossing animated film in history -- only boosted a bargaining position that was already strong.

Flush with cash, Pixar last February approved production on what is intended to become the first movie outside the existing Disney deal. Jobs has tried to keep details of this so-called "Project 2006" under wraps, though details have leaked in various news reports.

The new film has been said to be about a rat named "Ratatouille," who lives in a fancy Parisian restaurant. The picture is being directed by Jan Pinkava, who made Pixar's 1998 Oscar-winning short, "Geri's Game."

Pixar will be sole owner of "Ratatouille," and which studio serves it to the marketplace remains to be seen.
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Even if Disney and Pixar were to part ways (which seems very unlikely) what studio would back them?
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i'm sure there are plenty lined up waiting in the wings! they won't have to look far...
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I don't think Disney will be stupid enough to let Pixar go.
What was the last real animated hit Disney had? Lilo & Stitch was only a moderate success & Treasure Planet bombed. If Brother Bear isn't a Huge Success, then who knows what the Mouse will do.
Disney still hasn't gotten that Best Animated Feature Oscar I bet Eisner wants. (although they did distribute last years winner Spirited Away & most likely this years winner Finding Nemo)
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Who the hell would they go to if they left Disney, that would be worth a damn? Fox, Warner Bros., or Dreamworks. Just think of the Fox or Warner Bros. name over the Pixar name at the beginning of one of their movies. Doesn't have the same ring. None of those 3 would be as good as when it comes to marketing, distrubution, etc. Not to mention none of them have the pull with Wal-Mart moms and dads that Disney has. Even if Disney hasn't had a good run lately, their name is still huge in the business, and movies are just an extremely small part of that business. Anyone that doesn't believe that doesn't know what they're talking about.

Seems to me they both need each other. Pixar is not going to find it easy paying for the films, the marketing, and the DVD distribution themselves, and Disney won't like losing that much profit.

Also, sooner or later Pixar is going to have a clunker. You know it, I know it, and they know it. Either soon or in the future, one of their films is going to bomb. Then what happens? What happens if they have 2-3 straight bombs. Think about! There was a time when Disney couldn't miss either. Anyone that thinks Pixar films are going to continue raking in the cash forever, is delusional.

Just some thoughts.

If Brother Bear isn't a Huge Success, then who knows what the Mouse will do.
Yeah, and some of you get mad because Disney is abandoning 2D animation. Personally, I thought both Atlantis and Treasure planet were pretty good films, that certainly didn't deserve to bomb, yet they did. And you people wonder why not only they, but many other studios aren't willing to take the gamble on 2D. I don't see Pixar jumping at the bit to try and do a 2D film. Just look at the Iron Giant. A very good 2D animated film that bombed. It cost 70 million and made only 23 million. On the 3D side, I thought Jimmy Neutron was not very good at all, yet it made very good money considering it's cost. I thought the story in Ice Age and Shrek weren't all that great, yet the films made a ton of money. But the stories in each film don't even come close to the stories in the Pixar films, and they're certainly not the kind of stories that make megabucks. So don't tell me that films with good stories always make good money, because that's bull. I understand story is important, but there is plenty of evidence that suggests 2D has fallen out of favor with movie audiences, and 3D is the in thing at the moment.

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