Buffy Season 7 question (spoilers)
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Buffy Season 7 question (spoilers)
I was just thinking:
1) Was there any pay off to Anya and Giles' visit to the demon with all the eyes?
2) Didn't above-named demon say something about the line being weakened because there are two slayers, so the First could attack and destroy the line? If so, what does creating thousands of slayers do exactly?
1) Was there any pay off to Anya and Giles' visit to the demon with all the eyes?
2) Didn't above-named demon say something about the line being weakened because there are two slayers, so the First could attack and destroy the line? If so, what does creating thousands of slayers do exactly?
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1) Nope. No payoff whatsoever. Which just about sums up Buffy Season 7.
2) If I recall correctly, it wasn't so much that there were two slayers. The demon said that resurrecting Buffy(I presume in Season 6, not Season 1) effectively opened the door for the First to begin its evil master plan. Of course, they never expanded on this the rest of the season, so I have no idea what the demon was talking about.
2) If I recall correctly, it wasn't so much that there were two slayers. The demon said that resurrecting Buffy(I presume in Season 6, not Season 1) effectively opened the door for the First to begin its evil master plan. Of course, they never expanded on this the rest of the season, so I have no idea what the demon was talking about.
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I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an unfilmed alternate script for "Chosen," the series finale. It contains a number of differences from the version filmed:
Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
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Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
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Nope. No payoff whatsoever. Which just about sums up Buffy Season 7.
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Phew... I think that's most of my larger quibbles with the seventh season.... I think I needed to vent
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It still bugs me that we never found out who left the talisman to call the zombies in the Sunnydale High bathroom in the Season 7 premeire.
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Originally posted by NitroJMS
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an unfilmed alternate script for "Chosen," the series finale. It contains a number of differences from the version filmed:
Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an unfilmed alternate script for "Chosen," the series finale. It contains a number of differences from the version filmed:
Spoiler:
Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
Spoiler:
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Originally posted by xVladx
Ugh, that's an understatement. Not only was there a whole ton of dangling plot threads and unanswered questions, but there were also just outright contradictions floating around. I'm afraid I'm going to have to vent here (spoilers for the latter half of Season 7)
Phew... I think that's most of my larger quibbles with the seventh season.... I think I needed to vent
Ugh, that's an understatement. Not only was there a whole ton of dangling plot threads and unanswered questions, but there were also just outright contradictions floating around. I'm afraid I'm going to have to vent here (spoilers for the latter half of Season 7)
Spoiler:
Phew... I think that's most of my larger quibbles with the seventh season.... I think I needed to vent
SPOILER!!!!SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!!
Hmmm I don't think we watched the same season??? First off when spike got his soul back he said that he wasnt enjoying the kill as much as he used to, because of his soul, that why buffy said he wasnt as good of a fighter as he used to be. He got his Jacket to make him feel more like soulless spike, so that he could be a better fighter for buffy, He never enjoyed the kill in Get it done he was just trying to play the part of soulless spike, Joyce showing up to Dawn and Buffy and giving them a warning, was just the First messing with them, trying to divide the group, because thats where their strength lies, when their togather. The Image of Joyce was meant to cause confusion and paranoia to split the group from each other.
Joss has mentioned this numerous times in interveiws, That Joyce was the first trying to split the group up. The reason that Dawn/Xander Anya/Andrew and Wood/Giles was able to fight the torok Han was because they were prepared, they went into battle knowing they could die (which makes a person fight so much harder) and they had been doing research to find out there weakness, the reason Buffy got her ass kicked the first time she fought the torok Han was because she was unprepared and didn't know what she was fighting, That why she setup that whole Thunderdome Battle, because she was prepared and wanted to show everyone that Torok Hans dust just like ordinary Vamps, Also Even If your human and the Torok Han are super strong it doesnt take much to cut there freaking heads off and expose them to sun Light.
The Turok Hans in the sewer Could have easily been brought through the seal and could have been waiting in the sewers for the final battle (That doesnt need much explaining, its pretty Obvious) Just because the seal was closed in Showtime doesnt mean the town was safe, The apocolypes was coming, The bringers were taking the town over, increase in deaths, crazy preacher man and numerous other bad things was happing, so people started to leave town(most people would). The whole plan for spike was basically another attempt to split the group, The reason that spike was making vamps was just to cause even more trouble for the gang, they already had enough going on and spike killing again was just a little more trouble to add to the mix, but the plan didnt go as the first wanted it too, because spike realized what was happening and the gang helped him deactivate the trigger.
Giles killed the bringer that was talking through Andrew, simply because he was saying that they were going to kill all the girls and everbody else (wouldnt it piss you off if the only thing someone was saying to u was that all of your friends and family were going to die??? I'd be pissed) Caleb and The Torok Han didn't kill Buffy because They wanted her to be the last, If Buffy Would have died, The whole gang probably would have taking off, making The first's Job Harder, Why would they stay if their strongest Warrior was dead??? By attacking faith in Prison The first was obviously trying to shake stuff up, It must have known that a Simple Human wouldnt be able to take a slayer, It was just trying to Rattle everyone
Damn, Long ass post, So was your's though, so I Might have missed something
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Hmmm I don't think we watched the same season??? First off when spike got his soul back he said that he wasnt enjoying the kill as much as he used to, because of his soul, that why buffy said he wasnt as good of a fighter as he used to be. He got his Jacket to make him feel more like soulless spike, so that he could be a better fighter for buffy, He never enjoyed the kill in Get it done he was just trying to play the part of soulless spike,
Joyce showing up to Dawn and Buffy and giving them a warning, was just the First messing with them, trying to divide the group, because thats where their strength lies, when their togather. The Image of Joyce was meant to cause confusion and paranoia to split the group from each other.
There's NO way in hell that was Dawn saw was the First. Remember what Dawn went through in Conversations With Dead People? Appliances were acting strangely, furniture was getting rearranged, and Dawn was getting tossed around when she was trying to exorcise whatever was holding onto Joyce. And another somewhat obscure clue would be that the Joyce vision was projecting light, something that the First probably isn't able to do. The only possible way that it could have been the First was if the writers felt like just ignoring the fact that the First is noncorporeal for an episode. And even if it WAS the first, and it was an attempt to cause dissention in the ranks, then it still didn't really GO anywhere. Dawn moped about what Joyce told her for an episode or so, and it never came up again.
The reason that Dawn/Xander Anya/Andrew and Wood/Giles was able to fight the torok Han was because they were prepared, they went into battle knowing they could die (which makes a person fight so much harder) and they had been doing research to find out there weakness, the reason Buffy got her ass kicked the first time she fought the torok Han was because she was unprepared and didn't know what she was fighting, That why she setup that whole Thunderdome Battle, because she was prepared and wanted to show everyone that Torok Hans dust just like ordinary Vamps, Also Even If your human and the Torok Han are super strong it doesnt take much to cut there freaking heads off and expose them to sun Light.
The Turok Hans in the sewer Could have easily been brought through the seal and could have been waiting in the sewers for the final battle (That doesnt need much explaining, its pretty Obvious) Just because the seal was closed in Showtime doesnt mean the town was safe, The apocolypes was coming, The bringers were taking the town over, increase in deaths, crazy preacher man and numerous other bad things was happing, so people started to leave town(most people would).
The thing about the evacuation is is that your guesses are just that, guesses. There was never a peep about the Bringers, Caleb, the Turok-Han or anything running rampant on the general population of Sunnydale. All we had was about 15 or so episodes of not much happening, Giles/Buffy warning the other characters about the impending doom, then the population of Sunnydale spontaneously evacuates. Sure, if there were a throwaway line earlier about how the Bringers are killing people in the streets, it'd be understandable, there was nothing. The viewers shouldn't have to guess and assume at plot points like this.
Giles killed the bringer that was talking through Andrew, simply because he was saying that they were going to kill all the girls and everbody else (wouldnt it piss you off if the only thing someone was saying to u was that all of your friends and family were going to die??? I'd be pissed) Caleb and The Torok Han didn't kill Buffy because They wanted her to be the last, If Buffy Would have died, The whole gang probably would have taking off, making The first's Job Harder, Why would they stay if their strongest Warrior was dead??? By attacking faith in Prison The first was obviously trying to shake stuff up, It must have known that a Simple Human wouldnt be able to take a slayer, It was just trying to Rattle everyone
The Giles stuff just seemed way too half-cocked. I mean, they went to all the trouble to kidnap the Bringer, get it talking, then Giles off and kills it just because it's saying stuff that's getting under his skin? That just way out of character for Giles.
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Everyone Has their Own Opinions and we could Literaly go Back and forth forever debating. I just Told you what I've read in Numerous Interviews and what the cast and Joss Said, during the last Comicon Convention, So I guess you can Take it as you will. Too bad you didn't enjoy the 7th season, I love this show and I hate to see anyone not enjoying it, I'd rather It be remembered as 7 great years of Television. But no matter what the writers or fans say, every fan is going to see the show differently. I recently Sat Down with My girlfriend and we re-watched the entire 7th season and when it was over I really couldn't find much to complain about, I guess I don't try and break down every little detail, I just sit back and Enjoy a Fun Television series. I actually Remember when The 7th season was playing on TV, I had alot of Complaints and gripes. But when I re watched the season as a whole instead of stretched out over a year, I couldn't find much to complain about.I guess the whole Anya/Andrew Dawn/Xander Giles/Wood thing never really bothered me because I justed like seeing the heroes Kick ass, So I really didn't put much thought into it, beside the fact that they all were fighting for there lives and doing extremely well.
Oh Well I hope your still watching Angel, I'd like to see that show stay on a few more years and also see another spinoff sometime soon, I've never watched Star Trek before But I have a feeling That buffy and angel have become somewhat like star trek, where there will always be a spinoff on TV, I hope So. I love the world Joss has created
Oh Well I hope your still watching Angel, I'd like to see that show stay on a few more years and also see another spinoff sometime soon, I've never watched Star Trek before But I have a feeling That buffy and angel have become somewhat like star trek, where there will always be a spinoff on TV, I hope So. I love the world Joss has created
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Originally posted by NitroJMS
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an unfilmed alternate script for "Chosen," the series finale. It contains a number of differences from the version filmed:
Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it's an unfilmed alternate script for "Chosen," the series finale. It contains a number of differences from the version filmed:
Spoiler:
Alternate Draft of "Chosen"
There are a couple of really bad fanfic aspects:
Spoiler:
The one other thing is the very, very end of the script, and this does contain a spoiler for Spike over on Angel. It's one of those things pretty much everyone knows, but I'm spoilering it out anyway, just in case:
Spoiler:
So, I'm calling it fanfic.
I completely lost all respect for season seven about two months after the finale--When I finally realized just how lucky Buffy was that the world didn't end. Buffy didn't save the world, and her entire plan seemed set up to intentionally lose.
There is just so much intentionally thrown out there to cause fan speculation (remember the date at the beginning of Conversations with Dead People? or the zombie talisman of mysterious origin from the season opener?) that was never followed up on. I think there were more abandoned plot threads than there was actual plot.
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The one other thing is the very, very end of the script, and this does contain a spoiler for Spike over on Angel. It's one of those things pretty much everyone knows, but I'm spoilering it out anyway, just in case:
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