Hard to believe there's no thread on this yet. Maybe I missed it. It should be a great fight. I think I'm going with Oscar in a 5th round KO.
evenflow
09-12-03, 10:18 PM
De La Hoya by KO in the 7th.
immortal_zeus
09-12-03, 10:50 PM
Should be a great fight...of course you all know that the outcome has already been decided by the mob, right? ;)
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Quake1028
09-12-03, 10:59 PM
De La Hoya by KO in 8.
immortal_zeus
09-12-03, 11:02 PM
Well, I don't know who's going to win but I hope De La Hoya wins so he doesn't regret giving up sex for the past 3 or 4 months.
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Luddy
09-13-03, 12:31 AM
De La Hoya by Decision after 12
mnguye10
09-13-03, 09:45 AM
Yeah, I think De La Hoya will win this time, because Mosley hasn't done too well in his last few fights. The first time around, Mosley was still undefeated, so he had that sort of invincible feeling. Anyway, should be one of the best fights of the year. I heard that scalpers are selling ringside seats for like $10k! :eek:
namja
09-13-03, 11:20 AM
Last I checked:
De La Hoya -260
Mosley +200
What's the line on win by KO?
Luddy
09-13-03, 11:26 AM
De La Hoya by Decision 5-8
De La Hoya by KO-TKO-DQ 5-2
Draw 12-1
Mosley by Decision 7-2
Mosley by KO-TKO-DQ 5-1
Mondo Kane
09-13-03, 02:07 PM
Oscar's gonna fight a hella lot different than he did the last time these guys met (De La Hoya's gone 4-0 with Mayweather since that loss) but will Shane still have the handspeed to give him problems?
Not a safe bet, but I'll go with DLH by split dec.
johnglass
09-13-03, 03:16 PM
Does anyone know when this fight will be replayed on HBO? I know for some fights they do it the very next Sunday, but others I think they wait a week.
namja
09-13-03, 08:06 PM
The "show" is on ... well, the 2 fights leading up to the main event are on ... hope these fights don't last long.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by johnglass
Does anyone know when this fight will be replayed on HBO? I know for some fights they do it the very next Sunday, but others I think they wait a week.
Judging by what they always do, next weekend sometime.
monkeyboy
09-13-03, 09:09 PM
Just out of curiosity, where are these arenas? Are they actually under the casino?
First fight was a good one.
johnglass
09-13-03, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by monkeyboy
Just out of curiosity, where are these arenas? Are they actually under the casino?
First fight was a good one.
I believe the MGM arena is in a separate building behind the main casino/hotel.
NP. SC just flashed a score saying Mosley 68-65 after 7, but that ESPN page has Oscar up 5 rounds to 1.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 10:52 PM
Now the ESPN page has Oscar up 6-1 after the 7th round.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 10:54 PM
ESPN unofficial card has Mosley up 5 rounds to 3 after 8, maxboxing.com has it 7 rounds to 1. This doesn't look good for clean decision.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:03 PM
Wow, this is gonna be a close fight if you judge by ESPN unofficial scoring.
vdadlani219
09-13-03, 11:07 PM
De La Hoya get knocked out yet?
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:08 PM
Nope, this one is going the distance, and depending on who you believe, either Mosley won easily or Oscar routed him.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:11 PM
Mosley wins a unanimous decision...man, maxboxing.com must suck at scoring the fight. HBO also had Oscar winning.
namja
09-13-03, 11:12 PM
some jacked up judges ...
Copenhagen
09-13-03, 11:13 PM
Cool...always nice to see Oscar lose. Now I will look for the replay to see who cannot score matches.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:13 PM
From all counts except the judges and ESPN, De La Hoya won handily. Maxboxing.com had it 10-2.
namja
09-13-03, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
From all counts except the judges and ESPN, De La Hoya won handily. Maxboxing.com had it 10-2.
ESPN had it De La Hoya too ... JUST THE JUDGES had Mosley winning.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:15 PM
Max Kellerman had Mosley winning also. ESPN.com scoring was from maxboxing.com. This sounds very fishy to me.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:16 PM
maxboxing.com ended up 9 rounds to 3 for Oscar. I don't see how the judges card's could be so different.
monkeyboy
09-13-03, 11:18 PM
Wow, that was ridiculous. I can't imagine how Mosley won that. It looked like Mosley was even shocked that he won. I think a draw would have even been a stretch.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:18 PM
ESPN.com calls it a shocking decision. Max Kellerman says that most live people called it for Mosley, most on tv called it for De La Hoya.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:20 PM
Why is Oscar always in the middle of all of this controversy? I have yet to see a fight that he lost convicingly to me (not having seen this fight yet).
namja
09-13-03, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Why is Oscar always in the middle of all of this controversy? I have yet to see a fight that he lost convicingly to me (not having seen this fight yet).
His first fight with Mosley was pretty convincing (even though the scorecard was a split decision). Tonight's fight = -rolleyes-
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:23 PM
Maybe (I felt that was a draw), but I felt he beat Trinidad convincingly, and it looks that he beat Mosley convicingly tonight.
dolphinboy
09-13-03, 11:24 PM
saw the fight. couldn't believe the results. but even more shocked that they say the writers and other media also has mosley winning the fight. i don't know what they saw, but it wasn't what i saw.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:25 PM
Wow, looking at those numbers, Oscar was busier and more accurate. I need to see a replay of this fight very soon.
namja
09-13-03, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Wow, looking at those numbers, Oscar was busier and more accurate. I need to see a replay of this fight very soon.
Yeah. Wish the judges had access to those numbers ...
monkeyboy
09-13-03, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Maybe (I felt that was a draw), but I felt he beat Trinidad convincingly, and it looks that he beat Mosley convicingly tonight.
Yeah, it's tough for Oscar. The Trinidad fight and this one are very questionable. I'll give Mosley the first one, but not this one. To have such a great career, but end it with a couple suspect decisions over the last few years is unfortunate.
Patman
09-13-03, 11:27 PM
So ... when's the replay on HBO/Showtime gonna be?
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:27 PM
HBO says all the writers at ringside say Oscar got robbed :eek:.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:30 PM
Now Kellerman and Kenney are saying that they need to see the fight, maybe they will change their mind :rolleyes:.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:31 PM
It looks like Kellerman and Kenney are alone on this one...everyone they are saying was with them is now turning their backs on them...Kellerman looked shocked to hear what HBO said.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:41 PM
Looks like it comes down to what you liked better, powerful punching vs. pinpoint, active punching.
monkeyboy
09-13-03, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Looks like it comes down to what you liked better, powerful punching vs. pinpoint, active punching.
Did you feel like Mosley really landed that many more power punches? I really didn't think either of them hurt each other with any punches and it seemed like Oscar landed as many big punches as Mosley. I don't remember any point where either looked shaky. There were some good, solid combinations by both fighters, but I'd have a hard time agreeing that Mosley was landing all the power punches while Oscar sat back and 'boxed'.
Luddy
09-13-03, 11:45 PM
Next time I'm betting on Twikoff.
monkeyboy
09-13-03, 11:46 PM
Of course, Oscar got 17 Million while Mosley only got 4.5, so he can't feel all THAT bad about the results. He still won at the end of the day.
Mondo Kane
09-13-03, 11:51 PM
A 3rd fight won't happen unless De La Hoya murders Mosely in the ring.
I understand Oscar's disbelief because he schooled Mosely in this fight the way he did with Trinidad. But of course, Vegas judges just love to throw the dice around in that town.
A travesty.
Quake1028
09-13-03, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by monkeyboy
Did you feel like Mosley really landed that many more power punches? I really didn't think either of them hurt each other with any punches and it seemed like Oscar landed as many big punches as Mosley. I don't remember any point where either looked shaky. There were some good, solid combinations by both fighters, but I'd have a hard time agreeing that Mosley was landing all the power punches while Oscar sat back and 'boxed'.
I didn't see the fight yet, I'm just going by everything I heard so far.
johnglass
09-14-03, 12:03 AM
Punches landed:
De la Hoya- 221
Mosley- 127
:rolleyes:
Just another reason MMA is so much better than boxing.
Thrush
09-14-03, 01:49 AM
De La Hoya has had his share of Judges giving him fights he should have lost (Pernell Whiticker) so I cant feel that bad for him.
GMLSKIS
09-14-03, 02:04 AM
The scoring system in boxing has always been a joke. Boxing is the only major sport I know of that you don't know the score as you are competing. You have no idea how you are doing until somebody who has never done your sport judges it.
isamu
09-14-03, 03:33 AM
I lost $7500 tonight :(
Red Dog
09-14-03, 08:51 AM
So did East L.A. burn down last night?
namja
09-14-03, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by GMLSKIS
The scoring system in boxing has always been a joke. Boxing is the only major sport I know of that you don't know the score as you are competing. You have no idea how you are doing until somebody who has never done your sport judges it.
Yeah, why can't they announce the scores at the end of each round?
the aftermath
09-14-03, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by isamu
I lost $7500 tonight :(
You're kidding, right? Please say yes.
The last thing I'd bet on is boxing.
classicman2
09-14-03, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
From all counts except the judges and ESPN, De La Hoya won handily. Maxboxing.com had it 10-2.
AP had Mosley the winner.
Quake1028
09-14-03, 05:54 PM
Yes, true, but that didn't come out until well after I posted that :).
mrpayroll
09-14-03, 10:35 PM
HBO should be replaying this fight next Saturday. They usually show it before the main live event. Well at least I saved $50 by not buying another controversial fight.
Chris
Copenhagen
09-14-03, 10:36 PM
Yeah it will be on before the Byrd fight on Sat.
Copenhagen
09-20-03, 09:42 PM
Well I just finished watching the replay and I had it at 115-113 for Mosley. I can see how this could have gone either way.
wabio
09-20-03, 09:45 PM
Ditto. I just watched the replay and scored the fight 115-113 for Mosley. You have to tune ouf the HBO clowns Lederman, Lampley, and Merchant. If you listen to them....it makes the fight seem like a Roy Jones blowout.
Copenhagen
09-20-03, 09:45 PM
:lol: I know what you mean....I was wondering if there was a way to mute the announcers and keep the punching sounds at the same time.
wabio
09-20-03, 09:51 PM
You also have to realize that Oscar was fighting moving "backwards" for the ENTIRE fight. That has to have some influence on the judges.
das Monkey
09-20-03, 10:03 PM
I had it 114-114. I wouldn't have given Mosley the 10th. It could have gone either way. The way those assclowns Merchant and Foreman acted was pretty bad. Repeatedly calling it an obvious and dominant win for De La Hoya was silly as half of those rounds could were toss-ups. Merchant's backtracking is sad too. In the original broadcast, he talked about how it was a huge blowout; now he says it was *close* and that's what he said all along. Whatever. De La Hoya had more overall punches and combinations; Mosley had more stunning punches, forced most of the action moving forward, and never seemed tired. Toss-up. I see no reason for outrage over this. I'm betting the judges were influenced in Mosley's favor by the fact that none of De La Hoya's flurries really seemed to phase him much; however, about 3 diffferent times, Mosley stunned De La Hoya for 10-15 seconds where he seemed shakey.
das
wabio
09-20-03, 10:58 PM
WHAT!!!!!! Only in Don King country does such a travesty happen. Don King should be banned from boxing!
Quake1028
09-20-03, 10:58 PM
Forget De La Hoya....Fres Oquendo just REALLY got screwed :eek:.
Copenhagen
09-20-03, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Quake1028
Forget De La Hoya....Fres Oquendo just REALLY got screwed :eek:.
Yup.
Jeraden
09-20-03, 11:09 PM
I don't know why I bother watching boxing anymore. I just caught the HBO fights tonight and just saw 2 ridiculous decisions (the De La Hoya replay and the Bird/Oquendo fight). I've watched a couple others over the past couple months where the decision was a total crock also. They might as well just flip a coin when the fight goes all 12 rounds as that would be more accurate than some of the judges decisions.
Quake1028
09-21-03, 12:40 AM
I mean, I can understand a close decision, but one judge had it 117-111 for Byrd. That's just ridiculous beyond belief.
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