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Old 09-06-03, 03:33 PM
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Is SECRETARY the hottest film of last year??!!

I was at a indie video store, locally owned, and the clerk, one of them types Jeannie garafalo describes at "a They Might Be Giant wananbees who are also into comic books" , was trying to help me , so as a joke, I said I want the most sexually erotic movie that isnt a porn or them cheapo direct to video stuff. He recommened me this movie SECRETARY for rent. I said, "I doubt it can be as erotic as 9 1/2 weeks" he said "This film is hot! it smokes, it is erotically charged and the girl is one of the hottest thing right now (Maggie Gyllenhaal) in terms of looks and acting!" I said" I'll think about it, and rented other DVDs".

Question, is tis film that erotic? Is Maggie Gyllenhaal that hot? Or is the guy just trying to make me rent a mediocre film?
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Or... since you're asking about the movie, not the disc itself... does this belong in Movie Talk?
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I really liked it. I still need to pick it up.
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I saw it in the theater and it's pretty hot. However, it's also about a dominant and submissive relationship, so if that sort of thing turns you off, you might not enjoy the movie. It's a very unique love story. One of the best films I saw last year, as a matter of fact.

And yes, Maggie Gyllenhaal is hot.
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I did NOT find this film erotic.

Read the spoiler if you want to know why and don't mind finding out some story elements.

Spoiler:
The film deals with Sadism and Masochism, which I feel can be erotic if done properly. But this film revolves around a very disturbed young lady who punishes herself by cutting herself with sharp objects from her "special box" or by burning her leg with a hot tea kettle, etc. The "sexy" part of this film is supposed to take place when this young lady's boss finds out that she has a need to be "punished" and starts disciplining her (spankings, stocks, pony play) and controlling every aspect of her life. The disturbing images of self mutilation stuck in my mind throughout the entire movie, making it impossible to enjoy on a sexual level. I felt a great deal of compassion and sympathy for this girl. I don't understand how anyone could get aroused by this story. My 2 cents.
Old 09-06-03, 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Joshua
I did NOT find this film erotic.

Read the spoiler if you want to know why and don't mind finding out some story elements.

Spoiler:
The film deals with Sadism and Masochism, which I feel can be erotic if done properly. But this film revolves around a very disturbed young lady who punishes herself by cutting herself with sharp objects from her "special box" or by burning her leg with a hot tea kettle, etc. The "sexy" part of this film is supposed to take place when this young lady's boss finds out that she has a need to be "punished" and starts disciplining her (spankings, stocks, pony play) and controlling every aspect of her life. The disturbing images of self mutilation stuck in my mind throughout the entire movie, making it impossible to enjoy on a sexual level. I felt a great deal of compassion and sympathy for this girl. I don't understand how anyone could get aroused by this story. My 2 cents.
Well said.

But yes, she is SMOKING hot.
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Originally posted by Joshua
I did NOT find this film erotic.

Read the spoiler if you want to know why and don't mind finding out some story elements.

Spoiler:
The film deals with Sadism and Masochism, which I feel can be erotic if done properly. But this film revolves around a very disturbed young lady who punishes herself by cutting herself with sharp objects from her "special box" or by burning her leg with a hot tea kettle, etc. The "sexy" part of this film is supposed to take place when this young lady's boss finds out that she has a need to be "punished" and starts disciplining her (spankings, stocks, pony play) and controlling every aspect of her life. The disturbing images of self mutilation stuck in my mind throughout the entire movie, making it impossible to enjoy on a sexual level. I felt a great deal of compassion and sympathy for this girl. I don't understand how anyone could get aroused by this story. My 2 cents.
Oddly enough, from what I read, many people who practice BDSM were very happy with the depictions in the film. They felt it was the first mainstream film to accurately depict what it's like to need pain to feel pleasure.

I'm not into BDSM at all, but I still enjoyed the film immensely and did find some of the scenes pretty hot.
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I have to disagree with Joshua (which is really weird because that's my actual name and I feel like I am disagreeing with myself )

Spoiler:
True, she did cut herself and burn herself, but to me the movie is how she found someone who understood her needs. This is who she is and it wasn't going to change. That's how she gets off and she needs the pain along with the pleasure. She likes feeling dominated and at least now she found someone who will stay with her and it's clear when she throws her special box with all the cutting instruments in it off the bridge that she's moved beyond the need to hurt herself.


Although I do think that it isn't a very erotic film as some have said. Maggie is hot and I love watching her, but unless you get off on S&M yourself, I don't see how this film is very arousing. It's a strange little film that I enjoyed watching, but didn't go ga-ga over like many others have.
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It made me want to whip myself for being bad.
Old 09-06-03, 08:40 PM
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Although I do think that it isn't a very erotic film
Well then, I don't think that you're disagreeing with me....yourself...whatever.

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it's clear when she throws her special box with all the cutting instruments in it off the bridge that she's moved beyond the need to hurt herself.
....because she's found someone else that will do the job of hurting her.


I'm not saying that it's not an enjoyable and slightly insightful film, I just didn't find it particularly erotic. And yes, Maggie is hot in an awkward sort of way.
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I love the movie and glad I bought it.
-shrugs-
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S+M doesn't do anything for me, but Mags is hot.
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Maggie is hot in the movie. And the movie is erotic in a perverse kind of way.
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Originally posted by eedoon
Maggie is hot in the movie. And the movie is erotic in a perverse kind of way.
Sounds perfect! I'm perverse in a hot kind of way.

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Originally posted by Joshua
Well then, I don't think that you're disagreeing with me....yourself...whatever.

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....because she's found someone else that will do the job of hurting her.


I'm not saying that it's not an enjoyable and slightly insightful film, I just didn't find it particularly erotic. And yes, Maggie is hot in an awkward sort of way.
But to me there is a difference.
Spoiler:
It's different levels between cutting yourself or burning yourself to inflict pain and having someone who fulfills her needs more safely. James Spader's character ain't just doing the "job of hurting her." By the end of the movie there is a connection between them and she is getting what she needs in a much more healthy way if you ask me. Cutting yourself to make yourself bleed and feel pain and being dominated willingly by someone you care for and who cares for you are two very different things in my mind I guess.
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Listen, seeing Maggie
Spoiler:
diddle herself
has got to be the hottest thing I've seen in 'mainstream' filmmaking in a good long while. I'll take it.

That plus good performances, direction and writing yanked my crank. So sue me.
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The movie is hot.

Spoiler:
She goes from being a pathetic mess who's just out of an institution to an attractive, self-confident woman. The S/M is fulfilling some of her needs, but being commanded to treat herself well is bigger than that.
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I'll pick it up once it drops below $14.99.
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I'm planning to get it from Columbia House for under $10.
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Maggie is hot, but I'm not into the S&M thing, so the movie, while still enjoyable, did nothing for me sexually.
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i'm not really into S&M and that kind of stuff, but some of the scenes in this movie were smokin..Maggie Gyllenhaal is definately a hottie
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Listen, seeing Maggie
Spoiler:
diddle herself
has got to be the hottest thing I've seen in 'mainstream' filmmaking in a good long while. I'll take it.
But the mere fact that:
Spoiler:
she is getting off by looking at her typos is way funnier than it is hot, imo.
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Secretary was a great movie! I will definitely add this to my collection.

I don't view it as distrubing because nothing was really gratuitious. I view Gylenhall as an attractive Woman but not the kind that briefly stop your heart when you first see here. She and her brother(Donnie Darko) seem to have an innocent persona that is likeable.

Spader was great. He has issues himself that he's working through and oddly enough the two seem made for each other.

Definitely a provacative movie that many should check out and see how it moves them.
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This film also completed the James Spader alternative sex trilogy

Sex, Lies, Videotape
Crash
Secretary

lol.
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I didn't find it that sexy..but I guess thats me.

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