Dazed

Hi All,

I searched but couldnt find a list of what scenes were misframed in BTTF 2 (of course i suck at searches so maybe just missed it).

I borrowed it from a friend and never noticed anything out of the ordinary so i was just curious what all the commotion was about.


Thanks

Buford T Pusser

you're not so good with the correct forum either.



nice bargain

bigosammy

Although I'm sure it's in this forum somewhere, here it is over at www.bttf.com

Dazed

lol, ooops, i was half asleep when i wrote it. can a moderator please move it to correct forum.

Thanks

Steve Phillips

The search function isn't hard to use and will give you all the info you need. Try it!

mvolwitzer

(I can't beleive I'm asking this)

OK..so now the question arises, which is the better version to have?

If the full screen shows the full picture, wouldn't that be better?

And what about the first movie? Apparently everything's ok framing wise, but was it also filmed like the Super 35mm?

I've heard about the techinque, using the full frame that was shot for the full frame version, but how many movies do they do that on?

We saw the example with Air Force One, anyone else know of any others or where we could find a list or something?

...and is that what they meant at the beginning of Kubric's movie with the "full frame as the director intended"?....

Walter Neff

I'll be the first to jump in here, saying what many have said many times before -- and probably better:

Just because you're getting more picture doesn't mean it's better. In modern movies, the director and cinematographer compose shots for the wide screen and anything outside the widescreen area (above and below it, that is) is extraneous visual information that was never intended to be seen. In worst-case scenarios, this means you'll see things like boom mikes, or John Cleese's underwear when he's supposed to be naked. Even in the best cases, you're going to see things like lots of empty sky above people's heads. Simply put, the composition looks wrong. Furthermore, many full-frame DVDs still use pan-and-scan in some shots (special-effects shots, for example), so you're still losing visual information in those scenes.

As for the other issue, Stanley Kubrick decided that we should see full frame only at home and, in theory, composed his shots to look good in either full frame or widescreen. This is a can of worms, however, that I don't feel like opening. Someone else can take a shot at that...

GuessWho

Another example: seeing the chain being fed into the bike from underneath in the fullframe (TV) version of Pee Wee's Big Adventure

majorjoe23

That chain in the bike thing always bugged me when I was a kid.

DouglasRobert

In terms of the Back to the Future Trilogy, these were filmed and shown theatrically in the 1.85 widescreen format.

If I am not mistaken, while the movie could be shown Full Screen the special effects shots were filmed using a hard matte ( I think in a process using VistaVision Film) and thus when the special effects shots are shown in the "Full Screen" version these are actually panned and scanned. I know that these are true for #2 & #3, not sure about #1. Just check any special effect shot in the films and compare them against the full screen version.

So while you may gain a little bit of picture not seen in the theaters, you're losing picture information in any special effects shots.

greatjedi

This BTTF.com thread HERE has a few pages worth of comparisons between the old and new versions. After seeing these images, I realized this is more than just a minor issue.

Tazwolff

I'm still put off on buying this set until the fixed version is in stores. I'm not one for buying something that has a known defect and having to send it in for the correct version. I want to be able to bring it home, open it, and enjoy all 3 films together.

MEJHarrison

I brought home the bad set (got it for Christmas actually), opened it and enjoyed all three movies (they're not really that bad). Then I called a toll free number and got a free mailer sent. I returned the bad ones (postage paid by Universal) and got the 'fixed' versions. Then I enjoyed them all over again. This was many months ago and I can enjoy all three tonight or any other time I wish.

Wait if you want, but you could have had a corrected set 3-4 months ago. There's nothing to be gained from waiting unless you don't like making phone calls or putting an envelope in the mail.

Dazed

I never noticed the misframing, and never would have guessed there was a problem if I hadnt read about it online.

The set is awesome and for me it ranks up there with LOTR EE and Blackhawk Down Deluxe.