What film must have been a fluke after seeing the director's other work?
06-21-03, 01:07 AM
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What film must have been a fluke after seeing the director's other work?
On the flip side, what film ended up as a classic, but after seeing the director's other work had to be a accident?
My Choices:
The Deer Hunter-The equivalent of Michael Cimino winning the lottery, at best his other work is medocre, at worst he directed Heaven's Gate.
Dances with Wolves-Costner followed his directorial Oscor effort by directing Waterworld and The Postman.
My Choices:
The Deer Hunter-The equivalent of Michael Cimino winning the lottery, at best his other work is medocre, at worst he directed Heaven's Gate.
Dances with Wolves-Costner followed his directorial Oscor effort by directing Waterworld and The Postman.
06-21-03, 08:19 AM
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I beg to differ on Walter Hill -- he's also made the terrific "The Long Riders", "Streets of Fire" and "Southern Comfort".
I beg to differ on Walter Hill -- he's also made the terrific "The Long Riders", "Streets of Fire" and "Southern Comfort".
06-21-03, 08:30 AM
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Richard Rush - It took him 14 years to make another movie after
The Stunt Man and that was the God awful Color of Night. I seem to remember that movie cleaning up at the razzie awards that year. Freebie and the Bean was his claim to fame prior to The Stunt Man.
The Stunt Man and that was the God awful Color of Night. I seem to remember that movie cleaning up at the razzie awards that year. Freebie and the Bean was his claim to fame prior to The Stunt Man.
06-21-03, 09:44 AM
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Clerks, after seeing everything else from Kevin Smith. (Even though I like the other movies okay, too).
Clerks, after seeing everything else from Kevin Smith. (Even though I like the other movies okay, too).
What about Mel Gibson? Man Without a Face was decent, then he blew everyone away with Braveheart but that was almost 10 years ago already. Helllllooooo?
06-21-03, 10:14 AM
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Wachowski's - The Matrix
Looking at Bound, you'd never think these two could have pulled off the Matrix. Not that Bound was a bad movie, just that you couldn't see anything on the scale of the Matrix come out of that movie. They overdo and rehash everything in Matrix Reloaded.
George Lucas - Star Wars
Episode 1 & 2, Lucas seemed more interested in his playing with his toy [ILM]. Howard the Duck was terribly awful tho in a fun sort of way. And American Graffitti shows what good actors can do with a bad director, but I thought that film was a mess and shot poorly, too.
I agree with:
Costner fires Kevin Reynolds and pretty much directs the rest of Waterworld. Then redos Waterworld and names it The Postman. We'll see how Open Range fares.
I disagree with:
Cimino as I really liked Year of the Dragon.
Looking at Bound, you'd never think these two could have pulled off the Matrix. Not that Bound was a bad movie, just that you couldn't see anything on the scale of the Matrix come out of that movie. They overdo and rehash everything in Matrix Reloaded.
George Lucas - Star Wars
Episode 1 & 2, Lucas seemed more interested in his playing with his toy [ILM]. Howard the Duck was terribly awful tho in a fun sort of way. And American Graffitti shows what good actors can do with a bad director, but I thought that film was a mess and shot poorly, too.
I agree with:
Costner fires Kevin Reynolds and pretty much directs the rest of Waterworld. Then redos Waterworld and names it The Postman. We'll see how Open Range fares.
I disagree with:
Cimino as I really liked Year of the Dragon.
06-21-03, 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by rkndkn
I beg to differ on Walter Hill -- he's also made the terrific "The Long Riders", "Streets of Fire" and "Southern Comfort".
I beg to differ on Walter Hill -- he's also made the terrific "The Long Riders", "Streets of Fire" and "Southern Comfort".
Don't get me wrong I like Walter Hill but it just seems he never got another really big hit after 48 Hours except maybe the sequal Another 48 Hours....
BTW I own almost all of his movies including the above mentioned.
I guess I was kind of hoping he would pull a Ridely Scott and make some big hits again...
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06-21-03, 11:33 AM
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Another fluke...
....I would think would be Antoine Fuqua. He directed Training Day which I thought was quite good (and certainly a huge leap fm Replacement Killers) then showed how bad of a filmmaker he is when he did Tears of the Sun.
06-21-03, 11:58 AM
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Re: Another fluke...
Originally posted by Cardiac161
....I would think would be Antoine Fuqua. He directed Training Day which I thought was quite good (and certainly a huge leap fm Replacement Killers) then showed how bad of a filmmaker he is when he did Tears of the Sun.
....I would think would be Antoine Fuqua. He directed Training Day which I thought was quite good (and certainly a huge leap fm Replacement Killers) then showed how bad of a filmmaker he is when he did Tears of the Sun.
06-21-03, 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by shanester
Brian Depalma
after Scarface and The Untouchables in the 80's it's been pretty much downhill ever since..
Brian Depalma
after Scarface and The Untouchables in the 80's it's been pretty much downhill ever since..
Phantom of the Paradise(I know some really hate this film though)
Carrie
The Fury
Dressed to Kill
Blow Out
Scarface
Body Double
The Untouchables
Casualties of War
I can't disagree since Casualties of War it has been a true downhill slide.
06-21-03, 12:48 PM
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Put me in the Walter Hill fanclub, he's one of the few white directors who seems to have a clue in properly handling minority characters, and he makes fun films in my book.
But in response to the thread, I"m forced to think of Irwin Kershner, director of The Empire Strikes Back. For me, so clearly the most epic, sweeping and beautiful Star Wars film, I couldn't believe he didn't see a more precipitous career gain. His biggest moments post Empire were Never Say Never Again and Robocop 2, and there was less to write home about prior to Empire. While I"m sure there was an unreal support staff going into the making of this film, and Lucas was probably a constant influence, the director will always inhereit credit for the work of the actors, and the emotions are strongest Empire.
But in response to the thread, I"m forced to think of Irwin Kershner, director of The Empire Strikes Back. For me, so clearly the most epic, sweeping and beautiful Star Wars film, I couldn't believe he didn't see a more precipitous career gain. His biggest moments post Empire were Never Say Never Again and Robocop 2, and there was less to write home about prior to Empire. While I"m sure there was an unreal support staff going into the making of this film, and Lucas was probably a constant influence, the director will always inhereit credit for the work of the actors, and the emotions are strongest Empire.
06-21-03, 01:12 PM
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Bob Clark and A Christmas Story. Nothing he has done before or since has been half as good.
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Clark,%20Bob%20(III)
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Clark,%20Bob%20(III)
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Jan De Bont did an outstanding job with his directorial debut, Speed. He followed that up with Twister, Speed 2, and The Haunting. And this summer he's got the Tomb Raider sequel coming out. R.I.P. Jan.
06-21-03, 01:17 PM
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Jan De Bont is directing Tomb Raider 2?
"In this film, I thought of the Tomb as a character...."
"In this film, I thought of the Tomb as a character...."
06-21-03, 02:08 PM
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Is this about box office or quality of film? Walter Hill hasn't had that many box office hits, but he can be counted on to put out a decent macho flick. And he's made a ton of them (honestly, i'm not sure how keeps working when his film continuously bomb). Extreme Prejudice is another good one that I'm sure 90% of the guys on this board would like if they were to watch it.
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Originally posted by devilshalo
George Lucas - Star Wars
Episode 1 & 2, Lucas seemed more interested in his playing with his toy [ILM]. Howard the Duck was terribly awful tho in a fun sort of way. And American Graffitti shows what good actors can do with a bad director, but I thought that film was a mess and shot poorly, too.
George Lucas - Star Wars
Episode 1 & 2, Lucas seemed more interested in his playing with his toy [ILM]. Howard the Duck was terribly awful tho in a fun sort of way. And American Graffitti shows what good actors can do with a bad director, but I thought that film was a mess and shot poorly, too.
06-21-03, 03:04 PM
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Ha! I get to be the first person to pick Brett Ratner.
What the hell happened? How could a guy suddenly pull it all together for one good film (1998's Rush Hour) The sequel was dismal. Red Dragon and The Family Guy were clunkers, and I thought Money Talks was obnoxious. Meanwhile, Rush Hour holds up as a good, fun buddy picture every time I have seen it.
What the hell happened? How could a guy suddenly pull it all together for one good film (1998's Rush Hour) The sequel was dismal. Red Dragon and The Family Guy were clunkers, and I thought Money Talks was obnoxious. Meanwhile, Rush Hour holds up as a good, fun buddy picture every time I have seen it.
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Ummmm, sorry but.... George Lucas (please prove me wrong with episode 3)
Tarantino - PF was great, but I gotta say most everything else sucked. He has way too much of an ego for someone who makes such crap. And yes, I only thought Reservoir Dogs was okay.
Tarantino - PF was great, but I gotta say most everything else sucked. He has way too much of an ego for someone who makes such crap. And yes, I only thought Reservoir Dogs was okay.