My theory on the "Uncopyable FX"

[gmal2003]

This is more of a wishful thinking piece than a theory but here it is anyway:
After we were told by the big wigs that we should expect to see UFX in Reloaded and we didnt see them (it had great FX but nothing too different form the original) we were all a little let down. The Wachowskis might have teased us with the intent of letting us down only to unleash these FX in Revolutions. This theory is also common when it comes to my reason as to why there was so much left unknown in TMR (in order to bring all to an end with all questions answered in TMRV).

I might be expecting too much from the upcoming TMRV but I feel that I won't be let down.

[Jackskeleton]

Why does everyone act like this is a search for WMD? The FX's were there. You just over looked them in a snotty way. The whole "Uncopyable FX" came from the FX director who everyone already knows talks highly, in many cases TOO highly of himself. Joel also added to this for PR fluff. this was all hype. You do realize that films do contain Hype around them. That hype was met with a lot of higher expectations and so the effects that were in the matrix reloaded that in a lot of senses uncopyable seem like nothing really.

When's the last time you've seen 100's of CGI (sure some where doubles and yes yes, we all know you really can tell it's an extra -rolleyes- of smith) fight one person? When's the last time you've seen a freeway chase like that?

The Brothers really never pumped up the whole Uncopyable FX thing, it was the FX director and the hype machine. the brothers just said they were going to kick it up a notch and show you things you never thought possible. I was satisfied. so can we end this search for uFX?

[gmal2003]

I partially agree but some of your points are flawed. There is a difference between never seeing a certain kind of effect (The Burly Brawl) and saying it is "Uncopyable". That brawl was indeed time consuming for them but it was not uncopyable. Furthermore, it doesnt matter who made this statement, the fact is someone in the know on the staff made this statement. Regardless to movie fluf/hype or not, if you direct a movie, you should not allow anyone on your staff to lie as they did. There is one thing when there are oppinionated lies such as "this will be the best movie ever 'and another when you tell a flat out lie. And lastly, I really enjoyed the movie and was looking forward to the effects, so NO, me and millons of others did not simply overlook the FX, they just weren't there.

[Jackskeleton]

the movie had some great effects, which were hyped a great deal and then folks decided to set the standards higher. that higher bar made them feel like they were cheated in the long run. I think these folks should realize it is just a film and that the fx were pretty damn good regardless if to them, the level they set was not met. So you are saying the effects were just not there?

Lets put some on the stand and see if they were just not there:

Zion: Much like the star wars prequels, they created a world, a city where millions live. that effect was pretty good

Blury brawl: The effects really pretty good if you ask me and a lot of the fine picking was really just that.

Car Chase: I found the car chase to rank up there as one of the best. they created a full freeway filled with cars.

Digital characters: Some say they look like a video game. I ask which video game was that cause I want to play it. there was a lot of characters and shots of the main characters which were just digitally put in.

Please show me the millions complaining.. oh wait this is the internet, there is a million complaining about everything. ;)

Your first post makes it seem like the directors are waiting for the third to show off the super FX and that the comments were made to throw us off. I say that the comments weren't made by the director and thus, you really shouldn't look to the third to hold all those killer shots you didn't see here. There will be some great scenes, lets just take it for what the are and try not to let the media hype machine throw us off from just enjoying it.

[jaeufraser]

The simple answer to this is...no effect is uncopyable. If you look for UFX as you call it in a movie, you will never, ever find them because they don't exist. Everything in a movie could be done again, with only $$$ being a determining factor. So these uncopyable effects are not going to show up in the next movie either. I just think this subject is moot...since, well, at no point should we have ever believed that what the FX and producer was saying...could be really true. It's exagerration, pretty much that's it.

[Groucho]

Yes, there were good effects. But any of them could be easily copied. The whole thing was just hype of the "OMG! My sources say FJTK will be screened for critics, so STFU!" variety.

[Jackskeleton]

:lol: leave it to groucho to bring the funny

[gmal2003]

Um yea, I loved the movie and the FX however they still lied by syaing there will be UFX, it takes nothing away from the movie, but it is one of those "movie lies" that are irritaing. Again my theory for Revolutions is moreso wishful thinking. lastly effects can be copied, with money, but I at least expected FX that raises cinema FX to another crescendo similair to that of the first Matrix.

[Groucho]

I didn't really think that the FX in the first film raised anything to the next level. They were fun and flashy, but there wasn't anything I hadn't seen before.

[Spiky]

Originally posted by gmal2003
Um yea, I loved the movie and the FX however they still lied by syaing there will be UFX, it takes nothing away from the movie, but it is one of those "movie lies" that are irritaing. Again my theory for Revolutions is moreso wishful thinking. lastly effects can be copied, with money, but I at least expected FX that raises cinema FX to another crescendo similair to that of the first Matrix.
Dude, every word of every marketing campaign is a lie. Whether it is an ad for a movie, a soft drink, a car, a girl on the phone, etc., they are all lies. Suggest you get accustomed to this, it won't change.

Didn't they say similar things about 2001: A Space Odyssey? We might possibly have advanced beyond that 3 decades later.

The effects were great in Reloaded, probably the best yet for combining CG and reality (burly brawl), usually it is easier to see which is which. But they WILL be bested.