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Daytripper
06-01-03, 10:16 PM
What an amazing season finale. So many loose ends got tied up. Even older storylines that I didn't think they would approach again (Claire's ex). Speaking of Claire, this was her episode. So many shining moments. Especially with the scene where she gave Ruth the earrings. Anyway, very sad and touching episode. I'm so bummed we have to wait entire year until the next season. :( :( :( :(

SirPablo
06-01-03, 10:23 PM
This episode was truly fantastic. It was really sad to see how Nate's life has plunged. That was an amazing scene when he was in the car with his father and Lisa pushing him...prodigy playing in the background. Give that man a raise, he definetly earned it.

Boat-load of Emmys would be very fitting also.

Questions to remain though...what's with Rico's new friend? How did Lisa actually die? What will happen to Nate? Is George everything he seems? David and Keith...? When does Season 4 start???

LostHiWay
06-01-03, 10:23 PM
I really liked this episode. It seemed to tie things up real well. Thank God they didn't go with the "it was all a dream" and have Nate wake up at the end.

Also the cast just keeps getting better and better. I love the addition of Justin Theroux as Brenda's neighbor. He was great in Lynch's Muholland Drive.

Silly Burrito
06-01-03, 10:24 PM
I agree. To me, this show is why I have HBO now. If only they could make a few more episodes per season, but I guess that would be a greedy wish considering the possible loss of quality. I'd almost be happy with them breaking it down to a 30 minute drama if that meant double the episodes per year.

So when does season 4 start? ;)

HistoryProf
06-01-03, 10:56 PM
Hmmm....i don't know, but I thought this was pretty weak for a finale....I'm not sure what i was expecting, but this was a bit of a letdown. Just a little, well, wierd and disjointed I guess. Enough with the dad already...we get it. I found myself watching the clock and waiting for them to get to a point with something....even the Lisa revelation was anti-climactic...and they didn't even resolve much by not telling us anything about what did or didn't happen with her.

A very ok episode to cap a great season....

Neitzl
06-01-03, 11:23 PM
I love so much the scenes with Ruth and Claire.
When Claire began to cry at the wedding, I wanted to too.
What an awesome episode. Blows anyway thing in the first two seasons.

Neitzl

Patman
06-01-03, 11:41 PM
Ah damn, the season wasn't a Nate dream. Poor Nate, he's stuck with this reality. Sucks to be him.

Am I the only one that thinks Brenda looks a bit like John Cameron Mitchell (in drag) from "Hedwig and the Angry Inch"?

Finally, we get to lay Lisa to rest (about damn time!).

Ruth's quickie marriage seems rash. Claire's emotional blubbering at the ceremony was a bit strange.

Glad David and Keith are giving it another shot. They lowered their fences a bit more between them.

Brenda's world is going to be complicated with Nate back in the mix, and the new neighbor.

Claire's decision to abort her pregnancy hit home in a sudden way as Lisa told her she'd be looking out for him. Claire got to make some peace with Gabe.

Nathaniel was downright scary riding shotgun with a battered and confused Nate. Nathaniel almost curling up in the fetal position in front of Ruth is a bit indicative of how the living moving on can still inflict some pain on the dead.

nny
06-02-03, 03:24 AM
This was a great season, but that finale was a huge letdown. Just like most episodes of Buffy this year, I enjoyed the episode while I watched it, but the more I think about it, the more I dislike it.

This whole season seemed to building up to something. It was really slow and not much happened. That pace worked for the rest of the season, but we need some closure from a finale. I didn't get any closure. This episode would've been good if we were getting another one in a week or 2, but I'm left feeling empty. I should either be feeling satisfied with somewhat of an ending to the various storylines setup this season or I should be anticipating what's going to happen next. Instead I'm somewhere inbetween.

Maybe I'm way off. Thinking about it, I guess this episode was about new beginnings. Ruth getting married, Keith and David getting back together, Rico exploring his options, Brenda and her neighbor, Nate hitting bottom so that he can now build himself back up; these all feel like the beginning of a story rather than the end. I guess that's a good way to end a season, but the lack of resolution is just accentuated by that great season premiere and the little allusions to it placed throughout the season.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what was the significance of all those references to Nate's dream? Was Claire watching the same soap that Nate was watching in one of his realities?

I think I'll like this episode in the future when I can watch it and then watch season 4 immediately afterwards.

nny
06-02-03, 03:51 AM
Oh yeah, I just thought of something else. The character who had the most resolution was Claire, but her resolution was so forced. Claire was so out of character, she wouldn't just have some fantasy and suddenly everything's ok. The thing with Gabe was especially horrible. It seemed like denial, just there to make her feel better. The denial wouldn't be out of character, but it ran opposite to the rest of the fantasy, which was all about acceptance.

Thinking Gabe, Lisa, her father, and her unborn kid were all living happily ever after seemed like the thinking of a simpleton. Not only is Claire deeper than that, she's also much darker than that.

I felt like I could see the writer writing these scenes. It was way too cheap and easy. Of course, I might sound like a hypocrite, wanting resolution, but not being happy with it when I get it.

Chew
06-02-03, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by SirPablo
How did Lisa actually die?
That's the question I had.

If it was suicide, did enough time pass given the body was in so bad a state they needed dental records to identify her?


Also, was Arthur just a bit jealous seeing Ruth dancing in the next room?

What was Claire more upset about during the wedding: Finding out Lisa is truly dead, or her baby?

das Monkey
06-02-03, 07:39 AM
In life, we rarely get closure. Events simply blur through one another. I thought this finale (and the season as a whole) was absolutly fantastic.

das

jpcamb
06-02-03, 09:02 AM
I think this was the best episode of the season and found it very satisfying as a season. I have to wonder what the heck went on in episode one as it was never resolved.

Also have to wonder what happened to Lisa and where Brenda and nate will go, what will happen to Ruth; is she being scammed or is it love, where Rico will go with his new friend etc etc, at least I'm not left hanging by the seat of my pants with a cliff hanger and nate careening into an oncomming car.

Of the many scenerios I imagined for the finale from Nate dying again to him waking up and a whole lot in between this was a very satisfying way for them to end the season.

Looking very much forward to next year.

lisadoris
06-02-03, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by nny
Oh yeah, I just thought of something else. The character who had the most resolution was Claire, but her resolution was so forced. Claire was so out of character, she wouldn't just have some fantasy and suddenly everything's ok.

I don't think everything was ok, she complely fell apart during the wedding - I didn't interpret those were tears of joy for her mother. I read it as my mom and David are putting their lives together and mine still sucks. Could be wrong though.

Overall I thought it was a good episode. Everything wasn't tied up neatly which is how life works. The conversation betwen Keith and David was touching. I got the feeling that they are finally figuring out how to talk to each other. Poor Nate, part of me wishes this was a dream so he wouldn't be stuck with this reality. Such is life. The one part I really enjoyed which no one has mentioned yet was when Ruth saw Nate Sr. after the wedding. At first when I heard the sobbing I thought it was Arthur but it turned out to be Nate Sr. After all the talk with Claire about how great the afterlife is you saw he still cared about Ruth.

Rico, Rico, Rico. I had such high hopes for that character. Is there a single faithful character in the main cast? I think Claire's the only one left. Somehow I don't think Rico's going to see his new friend again but I don't think that will stop him from making new ones.

Geofferson
06-02-03, 09:50 AM
I thought last night's finale was the best episode of the season. Every character had their moment and they all shined. Brenda's new neighbor will mix it up a bit and it should be fun seeing what happens there.

All in all, a great finale for a good season.

marty888
06-02-03, 10:31 AM
The best thing I can say about this series... we care so much for these people that we <i>want</i> them to have moments of happiness, and we share their pain when they don't.

You simply can't ask more of any TV show or movie than that...

bdshort
06-02-03, 10:44 AM
I thought it was a most outstanding episode. I can't wait to see how things unfold next year. It was amazing to see Nate finally lose it, hopefully he can put things back together now that he knows Lisa is dead.

Brian

rfduncan
06-02-03, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by lisadoris
I don't think everything was ok, she complely fell apart during the wedding - I didn't interpret those were tears of joy for her mother. I read it as my mom and David are putting their lives together and mine still sucks. Could be wrong though.
I agree. Claire was having a mini-breakdown. I also pair her sobs with those of Nate Sr. when Ruth sees him at the end.

Originally posted by LostHiWay
Also the cast just keeps getting better and better. I love the addition of Justin Theroux as Brenda's neighbor. He was great in Lynch's Muholland Drive.
...and Vaughn in "Shortcomings and Jared in "The Monogamists" on Sex and the City

All those of you who "expected more" need to realize that this show is "art imitating life". Life does not wrap itself up with clear resolutions all at once. We may never learn what happened to Lisa. We won't learn what happened to Gabe. There ISN'T any build up to a big season finale like say on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Life is life and it happens at its own pace.

This episode was brilliant as was the entire season. It just gets better and better. Can't wait until next March! :thumbsup:

GT3NE1
06-02-03, 11:31 AM
I think it was the best episode yet.

Loved the scene in the car with Nate (drama) and the scene in the car with Rico (comedy).

Claire finally lost it. I don't think she has grieved yet for the lose of her unborn child and it all poured out while watching a happy moment for her mother and holding her niece.

Looks like Nate finally hit rock bottom. Great makeup job. He looked like he was dead on his feet.

Arthur and the gift. The whole time I was doing my Brad Pitt impression....."What's in the box?! What's in the box?!"

Can't wait until next season. Sounds like I am going to have to get Showtime to see this new Out of Order show to reunite will all my Sportsnight friends. :)

jpcamb
06-02-03, 11:51 AM
Out of curuisity did anyone else think Rico was unknowingly going on a 'date' with the guy from the dancing class..

my first thought was poor rico...

Peter Krause totally deserves an award for the work he's done this season. Before the episode started I was half hoping he'd be killed in the bar fight to comeback in a better reality. His character hit bottom hard in a completely beleivable way. By the time the episode ended I thought he'd be dead. But the unspoken depth of his realtionship with Brenda when he knocks on the door had ten times the impact of anything anyone could have said.

And for those that thought the cemetary scene was too happy, I think Claire was mortified to see her baby there with Lisa. I'd be interested to know if they cut a scene there, the transition to the next scene walking with her dad was very abrubt.

I also find I enjoy episodes with Nate Sr. a good sign they haven't overused him in the show.

Numanoid
06-02-03, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by jpcamb
Out of curuisity did anyone else think Rico was unknowingly going on a 'date' with the guy from the dancing class..

:lol: My wife and I thought the same thing.


Everyone is discussing the ending, but I really enjoyed the chain reaction opening death sequence. We live near O'Hare airport and everytime we're outside and a plane flies overhead, I say, "Watch out for blue ice!". No one ever knows what the hell I'm talking about. I was happy to have some support for my paranoia. :)

And a note to a few of the posters here. The ghostly visitation scenes (Nate Sr., Lisa, etc.) are not supposed to indicate what is actually happening to the dead people, rather it is a glimpse into the mind of the character who is imagining it. Hence, Claire sees the father at an eternal party, and Ruth sees him curled up in the corner weeping. It's how the living character is imagining the dead spirit to be reacting, not how they actually are. Heck, Gabe isn't even necessarily dead. Claire just imagines that he is, based on the road he was headed down (or was that established in some previous episode)?

Patman
06-02-03, 12:32 PM
But, you have to wonder with Nate's brain surgery, things about the funeral home biz were placed on the backburner, and the focus was about Nate's choices (the baby bomb from Lisa is the life-changer), which did totally exploded in this finale when Nate tries to blame his predicament on Ruth asking him to stay with the family business in light of Nathaniel's sudden death. Nate went from free and breezy to shackled by family in a more intimante/personal way that leaves him very little in options IF he desires to do the right thing.

Nate struggles for an entire year, even with the new lease on life with "successful" brain surgery, with doing the right thing w/r/t Lisa and his child. And like many people who are simply human, and not totally capable with handling these new life developments, he makes mistakes, a lot of them. And just when he sort of make peace with himself and his predicament, life winds up and thrown him yet another curveball. Nate's a flawed human being. He's both likable and loathable.

I don't mind the focus of the deaths this season having just tangential impact to the Fishers. Otherwise, the show gets into a more predictable rut, mining the same area over and over again. This is not to say that the 3rd season didn't bring the viewer many more soap opera elements into the mix, but it never gives into easy solutions without showing us the repurcussions of those choices.

jonw9
06-02-03, 01:05 PM
I really enjoyed the episode. Although I spent the first 45 minutes wondering where Authur was. I am learning to appreciate Brenda more, I don't see her as the psycho nut-case I remember from last season.

I do not want to wait another 9 months for the next season though.

My only question really from last night was, if you were Clair and you saw Lisa, would you try to explain what you saw to anybody, or figure it was crazy and nobody would understand/belive you?

hgar78
06-02-03, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by jpcamb
Out of curuisity did anyone else think Rico was unknowingly going on a 'date' with the guy from the dancing class..

i did! thought it would be pretty funny....

brilliant episode! i have to disagree with a lot of you, i felt very satisfied with this ep. (or was it the bottle of wine???? hmm).

claire was at her best, the fight between nate and ruth was great, but pretty much everyone was fabulous! i'm glad nate finally hit bottom and received confirmation of lisa's death, his storyline was getting way too depressing. i'm curious what will happen between him and brenda later. i don't think we've seen the last of lisa though. rico's high and mighty attitude is finally slipping, thank god, now we can see he is only human as well! i'm still very skeptical of ruth's new hubby, she's #7 for him and i'm just really hoping he's a good thing for her. (i sound like it's my mom!). was pleasantly surprised to see gabe.

i was only left wondering what happened to russell...wasn't he billed as a cast "member" this season and not just a guest or something?

SFU should rack up come award season. i'll be looking for claire, nate and ruth's name for individual awards (well, you know what i mean). :D

nny
06-02-03, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
In life, we rarely get closure. Events simply blur through one another.

das
I was thinking the same thing while I was writing my post, but I expect somewhat of an ending. The finale felt like just another episode to me. This would be fine if we didn't have to wait a year for the next episode (Peter Krause said the next season will probably start next June).

I felt like there was so much to wrap up this season that I didn't understand why they'd introduce a new character in the finale (Brenda's neighbor). Also, why would they introduce a character (George) a few episodes ago, barely develop him and then have him become a major part of the cast in the finale.

It felt like they were just setting up next season. Like maybe next season will start 6 months later like this one did and there will be all these changes sparked by this episode. It's a nice idea, but it just feels like they abruptly stopped caring about what happened this past season in favor of sowing seeds for the future.

Geofferson
06-02-03, 05:05 PM
My biggest gripe with last night's episode is that we do not find out how Lisa died. Her missing was the main plot point of the final 5 episodes and we don't even find out what happened to her?

slop101
06-02-03, 05:12 PM
I loved this episode and the whole season.

My only little gripe would be that I thought that Ruth's sister and the Kathy Bates character should have been at her wedding.

Daytripper
06-02-03, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by marty888
The best thing I can say about this series... we care so much for these people that we <i>want</i> them to have moments of happiness, and we share their pain when they don't.

You simply can't ask more of any TV show or movie than that...

Well said Marty!

I'm so depressed that I have to wait an entire year to see these characters again. New episodes that is. I'm sorry, but I couldn't have asked for a better season finale. Sure, the show was almost an hour long (yay!!!), but didn't it feel longer? I would NOT look at the clock. I didn't want to know I only had X minutes left. But it was very very satisfying. A few more comments. Sure, Lisa got on my nerves too. But I was sad to learn that she was dead. Now we have to wait twelve months to find out how she died. Also, Brenda finally seems to back on track again, meeting a cool guy, and Nate shows up. Had he ever been there before? How did he know where she lived!? Everytime someone yelled in front of that baby, I kept expecting it to start crying. I mean, those were some intense scenes. What a cute baby too btw. Too bad the kids that are brought to movie theatre by their a-hole parents aren't that well behaved. Last, although I think Claire shined the most in the episode, her crying at the wedding was a l-i-t-t-l-e over the top. I didn't know whether to laugh. Or cringe. I don't think it was meant to be serious. Do you? That scene felt like something out of a David Lynch movie.

JaxComet
06-02-03, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Geofferson
My biggest gripe with last night's episode is that we do not find out how Lisa died.


From the phone call it seemed to indicate that she was murdered. I'm just glad they wrote her out.....

Numanoid
06-02-03, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Daytripper
Had he ever been there before? How did he know where she lived!?

I wondered this too. I remember that Claire was there, but don't remember Nate going over. Still, it wouldn't be much of a leap to imagine that either Brenda or Claire told him where it was at some point.

Originally posted by Daytripper
Last, although I think Claire shined the most in the episode, her crying at the wedding was a l-i-t-t-l-e over the top. I didn't know whether to laugh. Or cringe. I don't think it was meant to be serious. Do you? That scene felt like something out of a David Lynch movie.

I agree. Claire's sobbing was very hokey and we were laughing at it. I'm not really sure if that was intentional or not. Now that you mention it, that scene did seem like a Lynch movie. If only Nate Sr. had been dancing in the corner, it would have been complete.

Originally posted by JaxComet
From the phone call it seemed to indicate that she was murdered. I'm just glad they wrote her out.....

I disagree. I think it's pretty clear from the clues, particularly the bits Nate was recalling, that Lisa committed suicide.

Jadzia
06-02-03, 10:09 PM
I figured Claire was crying because she realized how like she mother she really is-- just wanting someone to love and love her back-- and she was crying because her mother got what she realizes she wants so desperately.

They were happy tears and sad tears all at once.



My Tivo cut off at the screen announcing Lisa's death-- was there anything more after that?


Funniest line:
"**** you, car. Now you are locked."

Numanoid
06-02-03, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Jadzia
My Tivo cut off at the screen announcing Lisa's death-- was there anything more after that?

If you mean the "Lisa Whatever Fisher 1967-2003" screen, then no, just the credits.

Frank TJ Mackey
06-03-03, 07:15 AM
**** fantastic finale

When I saw that baby I nearly broke down.

There better be some award winners here.

I bet Ruth's new husband is gonna try to get his hands
on the funeral home and her money.

It sucks royally that we wait until June 2004.

Switch over to OUT OF ORDER on Showtime Mondays at 10 eastern if you want some more weird but great show.

hgar78
06-03-03, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Frank TJ Mackey
When I saw that baby I nearly broke down.

i think i teared up twice myself!

I bet Ruth's new husband is gonna try to get his hands
on the funeral home and her money.


i was thinking this too but he'd have a hard time considering there are 3 other partners wouldn't he?

maiana
06-03-03, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by jpcamb
at least I'm not left hanging by the seat of my pants with a cliff hanger and nate careening into an oncomming car.

Yeah, my boyfriend thought they would were going to do that. That would have sucked!

jpcamb
06-03-03, 12:50 PM
Sliughtly off topic:
HBO is doing a survey. Its a good chance to offer feedback on the show. Here is the text from an email i recieved from them:
Dear HBO Subscriber,

As a valued HBO subscriber, we are interested in your opinions regarding one of our original series. Therefore, we would like you to answer a brief online survey, which will only take about five minutes to complete.
To begin the survey, just click on the link below. If the link is not highlighted, simply copy and paste it into your browser.

http://www.hbo.com/camp/200306ER/103656/

We pride ourselves on the quality of our original programming and your input will help us maintain those high standards. We look forward to your participation!

Sincerely,

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It took under 5 minutes to complete...

rfduncan
06-03-03, 02:42 PM
Um - at the end of the survey it says:
That's all of our questions! Thank you very much for your feedback. In order to verify that you are an HBO subscriber, please enter the e-mail address that this survey invitation was sent to in the box below. Again, thank you!
So if you're not a subscriber who got a survey invite, they probably won't count it.

Jadzia
06-03-03, 06:03 PM
I can just see HBO saying to Alan Ball-- "We need you to make the show a little more action-oriented. We did this survey..."

jpcamb
06-04-03, 02:56 PM
Interesting article from someone that wrote another atricle praising the show last Friday. I have to say I disagree with some of his points but thought others might like to see a critical assesment of the show from a critic. (I don't know how much press this show gets elsewhere.)

Previous article in the boston globe psted in this thread (the link seems to be broken dead to the original article.... )

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295674


'Six Feet Under' finale goes off the deep end


By Matthew Gilbert, Globe Staff, 6/3/2003

efore Sunday's ''Six Feet Under'' finale, Peter Krause's Nate had certainly been letting his Mr. Hyde side erupt. Guilt-ridden during the weeks since his wife's disappearance, he was painfully - and believably - unraveling.



But by Sunday night, the oldest Fisher sibling was behaving like a raving ''Exorcist'' demon, berating innocent mourners, tanking tequila, and abandoning his infant daughter for another sordid one-night stand. It was too much. When he drunkenly drove into the hills looking like a B-grade horror villain, ranting about suicide with streaming blood marbling his crazed face, he finally took the show too far over the top.

Nate's overbaked break - trolling for an Emmy? - was only one of the disappointments of the finale, the end of an otherwise sure-handed season of one of TV's most impressive shows. Directed by series creator Alan Ball, the misguided hour also relied too heavily on a tedious set of visitations by the ghost of Nathaniel Fisher (Richard Jenkins), the dead father from whom Claire Fisher (Lauren Ambrose) clearly inherited her droll irony. His presence inspired each Fisher to reflect on his or her choices, choices that viewers were already acutely aware of after the dramatic events of recent episodes. It was redundant writing, as the Fishers restated their issues to their father before finding some kind of pedestrian self-healing - Claire embracing her mother, David Fisher (Michael C. Hall) embracing Keith (Mathew St. Patrick), and Nate embracing Brenda (Rachel Griffiths).

Claire's journey to heaven with her father was particularly awkward. It offered a poignant moment, as she sees her troubled former boyfriend, Gabe, finally at peace, but it also raised a gnawing question. Claire encounters her baby in heaven, supposedly the child she gave up a few weeks back in an abortion-clinic sequence that had horrific cattle-call overtones. By presenting Claire's ''choice'' as a baby, was Ball trying to make a big statement about fetuses and the morality of abortion? Or was he showing Claire resolve her own guilt, as the ghost of Lisa agreed to care for the ghost of Claire's boy? It was a distracting issue.

The biggest problem with the finale, though, was that, ultimately, it failed to further the drama of ''Six Feet Under.'' The Fishers were back where they started, particularly as Nate found his way to Brenda's door and David and Keith reunited. What helps make ''The Sopranos'' a superior TV series is its willingness to kill off or remove a major character in order to keep the characters changing. But ''Six Feet Under'' is less willing to move forward, limiting itself to the situation-drama genre in which nobody grows as they keep making the same mistakes. (Lisa is officially dead, but Lili Taylor was not a regular cast member.) Why shouldn't David and Keith break up once and for all and put their empty relationship where it belongs - six feet under?

The episode airs again tonight at 11 and tomorrow at 9 p.m. on HBO.

Matthew Gilbert can be reached at gilbert@globe.com.

das Monkey
06-04-03, 03:47 PM
Thanks for the post, but I too don't agree with his points. The characters are showing significant growth. Just because Keith and David are still "together" doesn't mean for a second that the two of them haven't grown tremendously, both as individuals and as a couple. And how about Ruth ... look how much she's changed. Growth doesn't have to mean a drastic change. All of these characters are adults, and for the most part, they are who they are ... they can grow around certain traits and expand who they are, but some things will always be at the core of their personalities. We can all hope to grow, but some mistakes we'll continue to make over and over until our dying day. It's the nature of our humanity and one of the reasons <I>Six Feet Under</I> is such an incredible show. It's not afraid to focus on the truth about ourselves, even when it's not pretty.

So things didn't turn out all rosey for everyone; some characters fell into familiar patterns, some are starting down new paths, some are trying to move forward despite being haunted by their past, and it's all intertwined into the total package. These are fully realized 3-dimensional characters who are juggling multiple emotional struggles, and sometimes they don't always make the choices we'd want them to make. Welcome to life.

"Nobody grows" :hscratch: which show has he been watching?

das

rfduncan
06-04-03, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
"Nobody grows" :hscratch: which show has he been watching?
LOL! :lol::thumbsup:

Buck Turgidson
06-05-03, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by jpcamb
What helps make ''The Sopranos'' a superior TV series...

http://www.my-smileys.de/lol_2.gif

HistoryProf
06-05-03, 12:32 AM
wow....i agree with every bit of that article....it's all exactly how I responded to the Finale.....especially the bit about the baby - that was just kind of jarring and wierd.

MrN
06-05-03, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Geofferson
My biggest gripe with last night's episode is that we do not find out how Lisa died. Her missing was the main plot point of the final 5 episodes and we don't even find out what happened to her?

Yes, we would have liked to find out how she died, but this show is about how the various characters are affected by her going missing, not about the mystery of how she died.

I think the finale is appropriate to this season although I liked a couple of previous episodes more. They probably shouldn't have done so many long dream sequences, and yeah, we already know Claire may be feeling bad about the baby without having to be confronted.

So, a couple of redundancies but some resolutions. I hope Justin Theroux can stick around.

jpcamb
06-05-03, 01:10 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by jpcamb
What helps make ''The Sopranos'' a superior TV series...
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Just to clarify any casual readers that was the review not me saying Sopranos is superior to SFU, I acutally feel quite the opisite although Soranos is probably my second favorite show.

Except for Tony, in 5 seasons of Sopranos we haven't seen any character develop half as much as any of the Fishers have developed in Three seasons....

joe liquor
06-05-03, 11:59 PM
Does anyone know what the pins on the map in the Fisher's office indicate? I've seen it in other episodes, but it seemed a bit more important in this one when David was talking to his dad.

Buck Turgidson
06-06-03, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by jpcamb
quote:
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Originally posted by jpcamb
What helps make ''The Sopranos'' a superior TV series...
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Just to clarify any casual readers that was the review not me saying Sopranos is superior to SFU, I acutally feel quite the opisite although Soranos is probably my second favorite show.

Except for Tony, in 5 seasons of Sopranos we haven't seen any character develop half as much as any of the Fishers have developed in Three seasons....

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I realized after I posted it that it could be misconstrued. That was from the review itself, rather than your post. I only put the laughing smiley in there because I'm not too much of a Sopranos fan, and whatever occasional problems I have w/ SFU, it's a dramatically better show, on all counts.

das Monkey
06-06-03, 12:59 AM
I re-read that sentence a few times when the article was originally posted, and I can see how it could be read where the author's simply claiming that <I>The Sopranos</I> is a "superior TV series" in the global sense ... i.e. it's one of the best shows on television ... not a direct comparison to <I>Six Feet Under</I>.

Either way, they're both near the top of the list in my book; however, I too cannot deny the conclusion that <I>Six Feet Under</I> has surpassed even the standards set by <I>The Sopranos</I>.

das

Buck Turgidson
06-06-03, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey
I re-read that sentence a few times when the article was originally posted, and I can see how it could be read where the author's simply claiming that <I>The Sopranos</I> is a "superior TV series" in the global sense ... i.e. it's one of the best shows on television ... not a direct comparison to <I>Six Feet Under</I>.


That's how I originally took it, also. I guess in the grand scheme of things, The Sopranos would qualify for that status, but I'm really not a fan of much of it past Gandolfini's work, and it's status as Best Show, Hands Down that a lot of people accord it has never washed, at least to me.

jpcamb
06-06-03, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by joe liquor
Does anyone know what the pins on the map in the Fisher's office indicate? I've seen it in other episodes, but it seemed a bit more important in this one when David was talking to his dad.

A safe guess would be where their clients have ummm lived. Each map point being a pick up point or some such thing. David is anal enough to care if one is moved from the wrong spot.

Could be used to focus advertising or something along those lines..... these types of things are more commonly associated with crime scenes but I can see David using it for tracking purposes....

Jadzia
06-06-03, 10:14 AM
I thought the pins were cemetaries or places where they pick up bodies (morgues, nursing homes, etc.)

GoldenJCJ
06-07-03, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Geofferson
My biggest gripe with last night's episode is that we do not find out how Lisa died. Her missing was the main plot point of the final 5 episodes and we don't even find out what happened to her?
I'm wondering if Lisa will be the Death of the Week in next season's premiere. It could explain to the audience what happed without explaining to the fishers.

Pasco
06-09-03, 03:30 AM
I forgot to check the credits, but was the (beautiful) actress who played the stripper who seduced Rico the ex-MTV V.J., Idalis?