I'm seeing Double. Same Theme Movies

[hmurchison]

Sorry for the confusing title. I'd like to have a small compendium of movies that covered the same subject and came within a few years of each other e.g.


Armageddon- Deep Impact- The Astroid Theory

Joan of Arc-The Virgin Warrior- The Messenger-

Alexander- Alexander the Great- Leo vs Collin Farrell.

Antz- A Bugs Life- battle of the CG Animation.

Ahh my mind just went blank but I know there are more. It's interesting that

Give me more!

[Groucho]

From Justin to Kelly - Avenging Angelo: Horrific Suck-Fests

[Jaymole]

Deep Star Six - Leviathan
Oscar Wilde - Trials of Oscar Wilde ( both 1960)
American Werewolf in London - The Howling
Mission to Mars - Red Planet - Ghost of Mars
Saving Private Ryan - The Thin Red Line

This thread shouldn't include rip-offs, only films that were being made at the same time as each other.

[Face/Off]

Plot and theme are not the same thing. Lilo & Stitch and Aliens have the same "theme." Dante's Peak and Volcano have the same "plot."

[Trigger]

Dante's Peak and Volcano don't have the same plot... one is in a small town and the other is in a big city and in one they try to stop the lava flow and in the other they just try to escape from it. I'd say they have the same theme more than they have the same plot. Either way though, this argument will drag this off topic, so I'm sorry. :)

[inVectiVe]

Weren't there 2 movies about that Prefontaine runner dude? Was one called "Pre" and the other "Without Limits"?

[Pants]

Originally posted by Trigger
Dante's Peak and Volcano don't have the same plot... one is in a small town and the other is in a big city and in one they try to stop the lava flow and in the other they just try to escape from it. I'd say they have the same theme more than they have the same plot. Either way though, this argument will drag this off topic, so I'm sorry. :) they have the same SUBJECT.

Alien and Lilo and Stitch came out 20 years apart. We're talking about films with the same subject coming out within 6 months of each other.

[3Js]

I think the overall point is : If you watch enough films over a long enough time, you will find significant repetition of plot, theme, subject, or whatever you care to use as a base of comparison.

There's just a finite number that are possible. I heard once that there were basically 32 possible story plots....why 32 and not 332? Who knows? Maybe an urban legend.

That's why it is rare to find a film that is truly different.

One good thing about getting older, as the memory fades and you watch a film you saw years ago, it all seems new again!! -rolleyes-

[Cusm]

What about the 2 Chris Columbus films, sorry the names escape me(1492? and Columbus?), that came out the same summer?

[MrPeanut]

3Js has a point, but this goes beyond that. When The Haunting and House on Haunted Hill get realeased within months of each other it isn't just lack of originality, it's studios trying to steal each other's wind.

I'd change the original question to be not just "within a couple years" but "in production at the same time." But that's what he meant.

[icondude]

It's just like when one TV network comes up with some new type of show, like American Idol and all the other networs come with ripoff type TV shows to the point of saturation. It all boils down to them not wanting to take risks.

[johnglass]

I think there were three movies that came out at the same time, or near each other, that all had the same theme of "kid in adult body/adult in kid body". I'll see if I can find some of the names, but I think Judge Rhineold (sp?) was one of them, and maybe Kirk Cameron?

[Pants]

Like Father Like Son (Dudley Moore/Kirk Cameron) and Vice Versa (Judge Rynhold/Fred Savage [I think])

[johnglass]

Originally posted by johnglass
I think there were three movies that came out at the same time, or near each other, that all had the same theme of "kid in adult body/adult in kid body". I'll see if I can find some of the names, but I think Judge Rhineold (sp?) was one of them, and maybe Kirk Cameron?

Ok, here are the ones I was thinking of:

Vice Versa (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096380)
A mysterious oriental skull transforms a father into his son, and vice versa

18 Again! (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094593)
By means of an accident the soul of David and his swinging grandfather get swapped.

Like Father, Like Son (1987) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0093418)
Chris and his dad have accidentally changed bodies - but no big deal. Chris gets the Jag and the Gold Card. Dad gets the fake ID and the bio final.

And I guess you can throw in Big as well.

Big (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094737)
When a boy wishes to be big at a magic wish machine, he wakes up the next morning and finds himself in an adult body literally overnight.

[Jericho]

I know what you mean. In most cases, it's usually, as has been stated, the studios try to copy each other. It's certainly no coincidence that two animated ant movies came out at about the same time. Another example:

The Truman Show and EdTV

same basic idea, different execution.

On the other hand, there are coincidences. So a few of these might just fall into that categorey. I also wouldn't include Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line as an example.

[Drexl]

Are the Harry Potter and LOTR films similar enough to count? I guess not.

[ChiefJustice001]

Black Knight-Head of State-Bringing Down the House.

All "lame in the extreme" movies with the same running joke.

[The Nature Boy]

Originally posted by johnglass
Ok, here are the ones I was thinking of:

Vice Versa (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0096380)
A mysterious oriental skull transforms a father into his son, and vice versa

18 Again! (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094593)
By means of an accident the soul of David and his swinging grandfather get swapped.

Like Father, Like Son (1987) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0093418)
Chris and his dad have accidentally changed bodies - but no big deal. Chris gets the Jag and the Gold Card. Dad gets the fake ID and the bio final.

And I guess you can throw in Big as well.

Big (1988) (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094737)
When a boy wishes to be big at a magic wish machine, he wakes up the next morning and finds himself in an adult body literally overnight.

And lest we forget the "Ben Stiller Show" classic parody by Metallica, "The Father-Son Switcheroo Song", sung to the tune of "Enter Sandman". Even more hilariously acted out by Andy Dick as Pauly Shore and Fred Willard as "The Dad". Great stuff!

[NitroJMS]

Mission to Mars - Red Planet

[GoldenJCJ]

Wyatt Earp/Tombstone

[Giantrobo]

The Player's Club---Showgirls

didn't see that one comming did ya :lol:

[Numanoid]

Matrix: Reloaded and Matrix: Revolutions ;)

[Mazinger]

As far as the Mars movies, I think the only similarity is the fact that it takes place on Mars.

[Pants]

Originally posted by Mazinger
As far as the Mars movies, I think the only similarity is the fact that it takes place on Mars. ...and that they came out within months of each other.

Are people somehow not "getting" this topic?

[Rocky_Stallone]

The Ring - Poltergiest - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn


All 3 of those movies has similar stories mixed into one.

[Pants]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
The Ring - Poltergiest - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn


All 3 of those movies has similar stories mixed into one. I give up! Clearly this thread isn't for me.

[Jaymole]

The Ring - Poltergiest - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[Mazinger]

Oh ok. I think I get it now.

Cabin Boy
Amadeus
Metropolis

[DigIt]

Well, at least I get it. ;)
Two movies, released within months of each other, that have the same plot contrivance. Maybe it would help if you put the two movies, the year they were released, and the similarity in your post -- people will eventually catch on.

Independence Day & Mars Attacks!

Year: 1996

Similarity: unfriendly aliens attempt to take over the earth

(In retrospect it seems very possible this was a coincidence, but at the time there was a lot of press about the similarity...)

[Gdrlv]

At one point, didn't two Selena movies come out simultaneously, and there were two lambada movies that came out right about the same time. Can't remember the names of the films though...

[Numanoid]

Originally posted by Gdrlv
At one point, didn't two Selena movies come out simultaneously, and there were two lambada movies that came out right about the same time. Can't remember the names of the films though...

:lol: I remember that! One was Lambada, the other was The Forbidden Dance starring Mulholland Dr's Laura Elena Harring :drool: ...both released in 1990.

[bralph]

Rob Roy and Braveheart in 1995

[TeeSeeJay]

Ghosts of Mars - Resident Evil. About 7 months apart. Same basic movie, pretty much.

[Mad Dawg]

Originally posted by Pants
I give up! Clearly this thread isn't for me.

:lol: Oooh! I know! Jaws III and The Remains of the Day.

;)

[jiggawhat]

Matrix and Terminator

[Pants]

Originally posted by jiggawhat
Matrix and Terminator Now I can't tell if people are joking or not

[Rocky_Stallone]

It's really sad that you guys don't understand why "The Ring - Poltergeist - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn" wouldn't fit in this topic. I am assuming you haven't even seen "Poltergeist" and "Dolores Claiborn".

Since "The Ring" has a story where you watch a video on TV and something happens, it's pretty similar to "Poltergeist" when Carol Anne sits in front of a static TV. "The Ring" also has a similar story to "Dolores Claiborn" when they find a dead body in the wishing well with the eclipse of the moon.

Did I clear this up for you now? Maybe I should've cleared it up beforehand so I wouldn't get attacked.

[Mad Dawg]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
I am assuming you haven't even seen "Poltergeist" and "Dolores Claiborn".

That is most likely the case. I mean, it certainly can't be that that we understand that the point of the thread was to cite films that seemed strikingly similar in plot or subject released within a relatively short period of time between each other. It's gotta be that we don't get it because we don't watch movies released prior to 2000.

[DRG]

While the specifics are different, The Sixth Sense and Stir of Echoes came out a month apart, and both had similar tones and a "I see dead people" theme. I've read that the reason this happens so often is because one studio will buy a script and sit on it, and as soon as a rival studio announces they're making a similar movie, the first studio says, "Hey! Don't we have a *** script, too? Let's beat 'em!"

[nice_skis]

Originally posted by 3Js
There's just a finite number that are possible. I heard once that there were basically 32 possible story plots....why 32 and not 332? Who knows? Maybe an urban legend.


And I"ve heard that in Hollywood, hey managed to reduce it to 8 different story possibilities. Talk about efficience! :D

The possibilities are as follow (with really simplified definitions):

1 - the buddy movie : two persons with almost nothing in common have got to work together to solve a problem they would not be able to overcome by themselve. They ususally go through one of those phase where they can't tolerate each other before getting a stronger bound than before between them.(48 hours, Toy Story, )

2 - The romance movie : A man and a woman meet, they first despise each other but slowly romance gets inbetween them in what seems to be just a variant of the Buddy movie with extra sex. (You've got mail, When Harry met Sally, Beauty and the beast)

3 - the self-improving underdog movie : a loser (or team of losers) who lacks self-confidence must overcome his fears to become the best in his category. He finally wins at the last minute of a tournament against the bad guy who used to intimidate him. (Rocky, 8 mile, the Mighty Ducks)

4 - the catastrophe movie : A terrible event forces an ensemble of stereotypical characters to fight for survival. Those of them with the strongest flaws won't survive (the Posseidon adventure, Volcano, Jurrasic Park)

5 - The mistaken identity movie : A person is taken for something he isn't and must play along for a while before someone sees through his game. He then discovers that he had what it takes all along inside of him but didn't know it. (Bananas, Mrs. Doubtfire, Tootsie)

6 - The man against the world movie : A solitary hero has to work alone against a powerful organized force when he is the only one who can save a life, his family, his nation or simply mankind. (Die Hard, Schindler's list, Dr. No)

7 - the diminutive list of suspects movie : When things go bad, a group of people who should normally act like friends start suspecting each other like they're playing a game of Clue. (Reservoir dogs, Scream, Gosford Park)

8 - the we're thru/we're coming back together movie : A group of people working togheter are thorn apart for bad reasons (women, money, booze, etc.) but reunited at the end when they learn the true value of their friendship. (Wayne's world, Batman and Robin, This is Spinal Tap)

Most Hollywood movies will enter into one of these categories. They just switch the locales and the characters a bit and serve us the same movies year after year.

[movielib]

Originally posted by Jaymole

American Werewolf in London - The Howling

How about adding Wolfen? Three werewolf movies, all released in 1981.

[movielib]

12:01 (TV movie) (1993)
Groundhog Day (1993)

[Munchos]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
It's really sad that you guys don't understand why "The Ring - Poltergeist - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn" wouldn't fit in this topic. I am assuming you haven't even seen "Poltergeist" and "Dolores Claiborn".

Since "The Ring" has a story where you watch a video on TV and something happens, it's pretty similar to "Poltergeist" when Carol Anne sits in front of a static TV. "The Ring" also has a similar story to "Dolores Claiborn" when they find a dead body in the wishing well with the eclipse of the moon.

Did I clear this up for you now? Maybe I should've cleared it up beforehand so I wouldn't get attacked.

:brickwl:

Is this guy serious or just really sarcastic?

To hopefully get this thread back on track....

Another one is Friday the 13th and Halloween series. Two mass murderers who can't be killed. And the sequels were released within 7 months of each other, which is the WHOLE point of this thread.

Halloween 2: 10/30/81
Friday the 13th part 2: 1/1/1981

Halloween 3: 10/22/82
Friday the 13th, Part 3: 8/13/1982

Halloween 4: 12/21/88
Friday the 13th VII - The New Blood: 5/13/1988

And more but I'm too lazy to post the rest of the sequels.

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by Munchos
:brickwl:

Is this guy serious or just really sarcastic?



You guys are really lame and take posts too damn seriously sometimes. Yes, I was being serious. All three of those movies has similar stories and it had something to do with this topic. He asked the question, I answered, stop your bitching. This is just a damn discussion board, and I can answer a thread any how I wish. If you don't like what I say, ignore it.

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by Mad Dawg
That is most likely the case. I mean, it certainly can't be that that we understand that the point of the thread was to cite films that seemed strikingly similar in plot or subject released within a relatively short period of time between each other. It's gotta be that we don't get it because we don't watch movies released prior to 2000.

AAaaah, so you haven't seen these movies, ok. So if you haven't even seen those movies, then don't attack someone for no reason just because I answered a simple question. If you have seen those movies you would know why I would pick those.

[Mad Dawg]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
AAaaah, so you haven't seen these movies, ok. So if you haven't even seen those movies, then don't attack someone for no reason just because I answered a simple question. If you have seen those movies you would know why I would pick those.

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I've seen the movies. You missed the point of the thread. I hope this makes it clearer for you.:)

[TeeSeeJay]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
It's really sad that you guys don't understand why "The Ring - Poltergeist - Stephen King's Dolores Claiborn" wouldn't fit in this topic. I am assuming you haven't even seen "Poltergeist" and "Dolores Claiborn".

Since "The Ring" has a story where you watch a video on TV and something happens, it's pretty similar to "Poltergeist" when Carol Anne sits in front of a static TV. "The Ring" also has a similar story to "Dolores Claiborn" when they find a dead body in the wishing well with the eclipse of the moon.

Did I clear this up for you now? Maybe I should've cleared it up beforehand so I wouldn't get attacked.

A better comparison for The Ring, in the spirit of this thread, would be fear dot com.

[oop]

Just Visiting/Kate and Leopold?

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by TeeSeeJay
A better comparison for The Ring, in the spirit of this thread, would be fear dot com.

Thank you for being more mature and staying on topic instead of attacking one person just for the sake of attention.

I haven't seen feardotcom yet, but I will check it out.

It's just that it's my opinion when I say the Dolores Claiborn and Poltergeist both are very similar to the ring, and if you attention maniacs don't like my opinion, then screw you. :johnwoo: :crap:

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
It's just that it's my opinion when I say the Dolores Claiborn and Poltergeist both are very similar to the ring, and if you attention maniacs don't like my opinion, then screw you. :johnwoo: :crap: I think the main problem with that example was that those movies weren't all released around the same time...indeed those three films were spaced out by several years.

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by Groucho
I think the main problem with that example was that those movies weren't all released around the same time...indeed those three films were spaced out by several years.

If you read the first reply in this thread, you didn't see anyting about "choosing movies that were release at the same time" did you? No. It didn't say anything about current movies.

Other people in this thread choosed movies that were spaced out by several years as well and I don't see anyone attacking them for it. The only reason you attack me is just try to get a rise out of someone just for fun and attention.

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
If you read the first reply in this thread, you didn't see anyting about "choosing movies that were release at the same time" did you? No. It didn't say anything about current movies. From the very first thread: "I'd like to have a small compendium of movies that covered the same subject and came within a few years of each other"

[ToddSm66]

Plus the fact that "The Ring" and "Poltergiest" have nothing in common other than scenes with people watching TV - which is hardly the main plot or theme of Poltergiest. (Haven't seen Dolores Claiborn, so can't really speak to that.)



Back on the actual topic...Seems like there is always a made-for-TV movie that mimics a "summer blockbuster" movie a few weeks before it hits the theaters. I seem to remember a TV movie "Tornado!" that came out just before Twister...a made for TV "Titanic" before the 1997 movie...and I'm pretty sure there was some kind of TV Dinosaur movie right before Jurassic Park.

[The Nature Boy]

The Blair Witch Project, slightly predated by the equally lowbudget video feature, The Last Broadcast.

[ToddSm66]

Seven Years in Tibet/Kundun (1997)

Empire of the Sun/The Last Emperor (1987)

Shriek If You Know What I Did Last Friday the Thirteenth/Scary Movie/Scream 3 (2000)

The House on Haunted Hill/The Haunting (1999)

The Thomas Crown Affair/Entrapment (1999)

Dr. Strangelove/Fail-Safe (1964)

[Mondo Kane]

American Me (1992)/Blood in...Blood Out (Bound by Honor) (1993)

[Rocky_Stallone]

"came within a few years off each other"....

hhhhhmm.....if you did imdb.com search...

Dolores Claiborne was first released in 1995, that came out 8 years ago. And the Poltergiest movies came out in the 80's, that's obviously more than a few years but frigging deal. Is it really that big of a deal to pick those movies in this thread? If it's that big of a deal and the end of the world to you, you've got serious issues, this is just a message board.

"coming off a few years" doesn't have to be the exact number.

It's my damn opinion that I think Dolores Claiborne and Poltergeist both had similar stories to the Ring which I think the Ring/Ringu was inspired by.

Finding a dead body in the water well and watching TV in front of a screen had happened in many other movies. The Ring had just the combination of the two into one.

Now it's my opinion, so lay off and give it a damn rest.

[movielib]

Originally posted by ToddSm66
...
Back on the actual topic...Seems like there is always a made-for-TV movie that mimics a "summer blockbuster" movie a few weeks before it hits the theaters. I seem to remember a TV movie "Tornado!" that came out just before Twister...a made for TV "Titanic" before the 1997 movie...and I'm pretty sure there was some kind of TV Dinosaur movie right before Jurassic Park.
I just want to point out that my entry of 12:01 and Groundhog Day were not like that. 12:01 was based on a short story, 12:01 pm, by Richard Lupoff and I very much doubt the people who made this movie were even aware Groudhog Day was being made. Plus, 12:01 is by far the superior film.

[filmerp]

Originally posted by The Nature Boy
The Blair Witch Project, slightly predated by the equally lowbudget video feature, The Last Broadcast.

Actually, it was the other way around. The makers of "Last Broadcast" said on the commentary that they didn't mind so much since "Blair Witch" rocketed their film to #1 on Amazon.com.

...and what's up with the Ring/Poltergeist/Claiborn connection? I've seen all three... they really don't apply here.

My vote: Darkness Falls vs. They

[Rocky_Stallone]

^See, both of them users movielib and filmerp named movies that were more than just a few years too, are you going to attack them for it? Probably not.

...and what's up with the Ring/Poltergeist/Claiborn connection? I've seen all three... they really don't apply here.

*sigh*

Yes, they do. I give up 'cause I can't straighten that out.

[filmerp]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
^See, both of them users movielib and filmerp named movies that were more than just a few years too, are you going to attack them for it? Probably not.

Honestly don't mean to upset you, Stallone. I just don't think you're grasping the thread starter's intention.

These are the years of release, which are certainly not more than a few years apart:

Blair Witch Project (Jan 1999) (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0185937) vs. Last Broadcast (Mar 1998) (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0122143)

Darkness Falls (Jan 2003) (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0282209) vs. They (Nov 2002) (http://us.imdb.com/ReleaseDates?0283632)

[movielib]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
^See, both of them users movielib and filmerp named movies that were more than just a few years too...
...

Rocky, I'm not involved in your little brouhaha and I don't want to be but for the record, the movies I cited, 12:01 and Groundhog Day, were the same year, 1993. That is what I posted when I first mentioned them (see above).

[Rocky_Stallone]

So is it really that big of a deal to continue attacking someone for it? This is just a thread on a computer screen. If someone made a mistake in a thread, big deal.

[evenflow]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
If someone made a mistake in a thread, big deal.

You're right, it's no big deal. It's just that it took you 1 page of replies to realize your mistake. And that's not counting you calling us "attention maniacs". Also no one attacked you, we just pointed out that your post not unlike the rest of your posts made no sense in the context of the thread.

[Rocky_Stallone]

You can talk to me all you want, but I don't give a crap what you say evenflow, I have you on my ignore list, so I can't read your posts. Stop following me at every post, you really need to get a life.

[The Nature Boy]

Originally posted by filmerp
Actually, it was the other way around. The makers of "Last Broadcast" said on the commentary that they didn't mind so much since "Blair Witch" rocketed their film to #1 on Amazon.com.

...and what's up with the Ring/Poltergeist/Claiborn connection? I've seen all three... they really don't apply here.

My vote: Darkness Falls vs. They

Yes, you are correct, I misworded my post.

[garmonbozia]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone

Yes, they do. I give up 'cause I can't straighten that out.

maybe you see similarities, but doesn't the fact that no one else does make you wonder, even if just for a moment, that the connection are extremely insignificant?

**spoilers for The Ring and Dolores Claiborne**

Dolores Claiborne for example has nothing supernatural in it whatsoever. And just because someone dies by falling down a pit (I don't even think that was a well...seemed more like a boarded over shaft to me) in the movie hardly makes it similar to The Ring in which someone was died at the bottom of a well a week after being pushed into it. I may be forgetting, but I don't even remember an eclipse in The Ring.....I think you may just be remembering the image of the cover going over the top of the well creating a crescent of light. And unlike you said earlier, the solar eclipse in Dolores Claiborne occured during the murder, not when the body was found. Just because two movies have a person die in a similar way hardly make their entire plots similar. Otherwise any movie in which someone gets shot and dies would qualify for this discussion.

And The Ring is really not that similar at all to Poltergeist either. The connection that they both involve tvs is really really thin.....does that make them similar to all those bad movies where people get sucked into tv sets? Actually I think The Ring would be more similar to other horror films based on an urban legend (whether a real one or one that exists only in the film) such as Candyman....where after doing a certain activity, something comes to kill you.

Anyway, using logic, if Poltergeist and The Ring, AND The Ring and Dolores Claiborne were really that similar.....then you should also be able to say that Poltergeist and Dolores Claiborne was also similar......and I see no significant similarities there.

[jessecrx]

The Fast and The Furious = Point Break

Fear Dot Com = The Ring

:D

[SunMonkey]

A Nightmare on Elm Street - 1984
Dreamscape - 1984

Both had guys with knife-like fingers killing people in their dreams.

[Michael Corvin]

I think a better example for ID4 is the Arrival which came out only a month prior. Also the superior film.

The Thomas Crown and Entrapment is a good one.

[Rocky_Stallone]

whatever, garmobozia, the sad thing is that users STILL can NOT accept my opinion. Other people may disagree with me but I don't care. It's just my opinion. Just deal with it and give this argument a rest and let it die alreadya before this thread ends up getting closed.

[wm lopez]

MARS ATTACKS, ID4
The movie year 2002, all those spy movies.
Too many to list.