Black or Latino? Not trying to start anything that deals with race, I don't mind it, I'm just curious. I thought there would be a healthy mix of all types of people but hardly saw any white people or Asians. I saw the rave scene again and noticed a lot of Latina's grinding it up. Anyone else notice this?
PixyJunket
05-28-03, 10:23 AM
Perhaps they were all preparing for the impending war instead of dancing like idiots.. wonder what the great W brothers are trying to say, hmm..?
Mopower
05-28-03, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by pixyboi
Perhaps they were all preparing for the impending war instead of dancing like idiots.. wonder what the great W brothers are trying to say, hmm..?
Ha....you know you could take the footage of the rave scene and it would make a pretty good Smirnoff Ice commercial. Well, minus the nippleage.
PixyJunket
05-28-03, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Mopower
Ha....you know you could take the footage of the rave scene and it would make a pretty good Smirnoff Ice commercial. Well, minus the nippleage.
Or a commercial for any generic MTV product/show.
MTV's The Real World Zion!!
goLUCKY
05-28-03, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Mopower
Black or Latino? Not trying to start anything that deals with race, I don't mind it, I'm just curious. I thought there would be a healthy mix of all types of people but hardly saw any white people or Asians. I saw the rave scene again and noticed a lot of Latina's grinding it up. Anyone else notice this?
BLacks and Hispanics just don't take to the programing of the matrix. ;)
Patman
05-28-03, 11:53 AM
Once you go black, you never go back...into the Matrix!
einTier
05-28-03, 11:54 AM
The hypothesis I've heard is that it's a lot easier to accept the Matrix when you're not living a low-socioeconomic lifestyle.
Moldy Potato
05-28-03, 12:48 PM
Three Theories
1. Maybe it has to do with the last "The One." Maybe the last One was from Miami or something, and he had lots of different friends from different backgrounds. Then, when its time to rebuild Zion, he goes to pick his 23 people, so he picks the kind of people he was either friends with, or simply people he could relate to.
2. Maybe it was the opposite of #1. Maybe the last One was some sort of white supremacist who HATED life in the "real" world, so he decided to send a bunch of "spics and niggas" (in his words, not mine) to a world that he considered hellish.
3. Maybe the W. Bros were trying to show that in the future, there will be more interracial relationships, essentially destroying pure white and pure black races. If you notice, many of the "blacks" were anything but black, they looked like they had some black and some white in them.
Just silly theories, but its fun to speculate.
PixyJunket
05-28-03, 12:49 PM
Heh.. that makes sense. Would you want to wake up if you were rolling in bling? :D
audrey
05-28-03, 12:57 PM
Whites make up only a tiny percentage of the world population—Zion reflects the world, not the United States. Also, dark skin is a dominate trait; overtime inter-racial breeding will produce darker skinned offspring.
Jepthah
05-28-03, 01:56 PM
Because it looks cooler. It's the Wachowski's aesthetic in general. :D
Big Boy Laroux
05-28-03, 02:40 PM
audrey, i agree with you. while african americans and latinos may be minorities in the US, world populations may be somewhat equal. Zion looks strange to us because there seem to be an equal number of whites/blacks/latinos/asians. we are simply not used to this, thus it looks like there are A LOT of blacks/latinos.
Big Boy Laroux
05-28-03, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Moldy Potato
2. Maybe it was the opposite of #1. Maybe the last One was some sort of white supremacist who HATED life in the "real" world, so he decided to send a bunch of "spics and niggas" (in his words, not mine) to a world that he considered hellish.
also, it's nice of you to try to hide your blatant racism behind "his words, not mine."
Spiky
05-28-03, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by audrey
Whites make up only a tiny percentage of the world population—Zion reflects the world, not the United States. Also, dark skin is a dominate trait; overtime inter-racial breeding will produce darker skinned offspring.
So do blacks and latinos. (if those words are appropriate in the first place)
Half the world's population can be found in 2 countries, China and India. Not white, but not dark, either.
On the movie:
Maybe they just got all the extras from LA and that's who showed up.
rfduncan
05-28-03, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by audrey
Whites make up only a tiny percentage of the world population—Zion reflects the world, not the United States. Also, dark skin is a dominate trait; overtime inter-racial breeding will produce darker skinned offspring.
I disagree - it is completely unknown how long it has been since "man scorched the sky" as Morpheus explains to Neo in the 1st film.
The depth of color and skin pigmentation are also partly based on sun exposure. In theory these people, regardless of race have had no sun exposure for generations. Shouldn't they all look more like each other that standing out as much like black, white, asian, hispanic, etc?
avatar101
05-28-03, 05:45 PM
Black or Latino? Not trying to start anything that deals with race, I don't mind it, I'm just curious. I thought there would be a healthy mix of all types of people but hardly saw any white people or Asians. I saw the rave scene again and noticed a lot of Latina's grinding it up. Anyone else notice this?
Gee, I don't know...I always think that everytime I see "Friends", only backwards: WHERE ARE all the Latinos and blacks? Now that I think about it, how come all the roman soldiers speak English in "Gladiator"? How can you make a movie set in Africa (Disney's Tarzan) without showing black people? How come we still can't show an Asian person in a mainstream movie kissing someone outside their "race" (Romeo Must Die). I guess each of us notices different things according to our own background, eh?
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Jamers
05-28-03, 05:47 PM
3 observations:
1) Almost no whites in the Rave scene because everyone knows they can't dance anyway.
2) How come the Matrix world has mostly white people and Zion has mostly ethnics.
3) Could NEO be short for Neo-Nazi? If so the ethnics won't be happy about that.
hmurchison
05-28-03, 06:30 PM
To make up for us getting shafted in Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Somebody owed us payback!
People don't take this thread personally. The one thing that makes us "Human" is humor.
Had Zion been all White the "Rave" would have become a Moshpit...hence destroying Zion without the Machines raising a finger ...teehee
Jamers
05-28-03, 06:35 PM
Dude, learn to spell. Or at least proof read your post.
hmurchison
05-28-03, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Jamers
Dude, learn to spell. Or at least proof read your post.
Sorry Jamers. I'm a poor typist :(
Jamers
05-28-03, 06:43 PM
No problem. Due to my extremely high intelligence, I knew what you meant. :-)
Brucifer
05-28-03, 09:08 PM
To make up for us getting shafted in Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Somebody owed us payback!
Well, the guy responsible for that is dead: J.R.R Tolkein. To add blacks and hispanics to that movie would have changed the story he wrote. You did not get "Shafted", the story was filmed as close to the original books as possible.
But my idea about the "rave" scene is this: When they were hiring extras, everytime a white dude or chick entered the room they were told to "dance like this", and they said "No way!!!! I thought Zion was a cave, not a jungle!!!"
iggystar
05-29-03, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Brucifer
they were told to "dance like this", and they said "No way!!!! I thought Zion was a cave, not a jungle!!!"
Excuse you? A jungle? Ok, I see this thread is going downhill fast.
Big Boy Laroux
05-29-03, 12:42 PM
i agree iggy, i am amazed at the stuff being posted on this thread. trying to hide their racism behind "i'm just joking"
Daytrip
05-29-03, 12:58 PM
as if there aren't enough different races in LOTR.........it's about all races(elves,men,dwarfs,hobbits,ents........etc) coming together to defeat evil. if you think that's racist you're a moron
hmurchison
05-29-03, 03:19 PM
I'm not sure that there are people in here that are Racist but rather horrible at telling jokes LOL.
ipkevin
05-29-03, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Big Boy Laroux
audrey, i agree with you. while african americans and latinos may be minorities in the US, world populations may be somewhat equal. Zion looks strange to us because there seem to be an equal number of whites/blacks/latinos/asians. we are simply not used to this, thus it looks like there are A LOT of blacks/latinos.
I'm fairly certain that that is not what they're trying to do here (show equal numbers of all races, that is). I remember reading about the casting and set report from that scene which said that they intentionally hired predominently black actors. And looking at the scene, I would have to agree with them. I've heard the "minorities are less content in the Matrix world" hypothesis a long time ago (in fact, all this time I thought it was something the W Bros had actually stated) and I think that's a pretty clever idea if true. Just shows how much thought they put into the movie...
Patman
05-29-03, 06:09 PM
You guys realize my initial answer is still the best of them all! Muhahahaha!!! :D
sol4real
06-02-03, 12:21 PM
The reason that most of the people in Zion are Black or Latino is because they were the first to notice that the first Matrix was not real. Thus the majority of the resistance is of darker skinned people. Hell most Blacks and Latinos well tell you "The world you live in is just a sugar-coated topping. There is another world beneath it. The real world."
Patman
06-02-03, 12:57 PM
It's always about the MAN keeping'em down. :)
Breakfast with Girls
06-02-03, 02:24 PM
When is it easier to believe the world is not real? When you are an affluent part of the majority, or when you are a disenfranchised minority? That's the reason behind the demographics of Zion.
Giantrobo
06-02-03, 07:48 PM
Didn't Orgy/rave remind you guys of the Sietch Orgies in DUNE?
sho kosugi
06-03-03, 08:08 PM
So what makes you a good canidate to suspect there is something beyond the Matrix, while you are still plugged into it? Is it your nature or the type of lifestyle the Matrix puts you in?
Example: In M1, when the agents first got Neo's name, what if the Matrix was quickly chaged to give Neo a different life, i.e. his own software empire, or whatever he would find more exciting, pleasing, or fufilling? Would he forget about his quest for Morph and his distake for the real-world?
mikehunt
06-04-03, 07:50 PM
yup, and I have a feeling that at least over time a larger portion of Zion's population are natually born than Matrix escapees
Originally posted by audrey
Also, dark skin is a dominate trait; overtime inter-racial breeding will produce darker skinned offspring.
Darren Garrison
06-04-03, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by audrey
Whites make up only a tiny percentage of the world population—Zion reflects the world, not the United States. Also, dark skin is a dominate trait; overtime inter-racial breeding will produce darker skinned offspring.
Can you cite a few sources for this research?
Brucifer
06-06-03, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Breakfast with Girls
When is it easier to believe the world is not real? When you are an affluent part of the majority, or when you are a disenfranchised minority? That's the reason behind the demographics of Zion.
That's the plain and simple truth. This thread might as well be closed now.....
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