Sony announces Eye Toy

[FlashStash]

A quirky peripheral...I want this! :) It sounds great for parties...And for $39 you can't go wrong!


E3 2003: Sony Announces The Eye Toy
By Mike Viscel -- Staff Writer
Published 12:24 PM CDT May 13, 2003

Sony shows off a digital camera that works in conjunction with the PS2 and games!

Sony has just announced at their press conference that they will be releasing a new peripheral called the "Eye Toy." The "Eye Toy" looks to work in conjunction with a few video games. Sony showed a few games along with the USB-ready camera: Kung Fu and a game called Wishy Washy, in which you use your hands in as well as the the camera to wash windows.

The "Eye Toy" can also record video messages up to a minute long onto your memory card right out of the box.

The camera seems to support up to 4 people playing simultaneously and will ship with 12 games this October for a retail price of $39.99.

The full transcript it just a click away with all the news from the conference.

[GizmoDVD]

Sounds like cheap Webcam games...

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Sounds like cheap Webcam games...

Is it your intention to threadcrap on every Sony thread?

FS

[GizmoDVD]

Nope. I dislike PS2, not PS1. This Eye Toy sounds stupid "Wishy Washy, in which you use your hands in as well as the the camera to wash windows." Wow...now kids can learn how to do be a bum!

[The Franchise]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Nope. I dislike PS2, not PS1. This Eye Toy sounds stupid "Wishy Washy, in which you use your hands in as well as the the camera to wash windows." Wow...now kids can learn how to do be a bum! Sheesh seems like every Sony related E3 thread you go into there's someone saying "this sucks", or "this is stupid". Don't get so emotional. They're just games.... fun.... remember? ;)

[GizmoDVD]

Umm, Ive posted in 2 PS2 threads...So sure, thats every thread ive been too... Maybe if Sony would announce a PS2 that dosn't break down after 91 days I would post a little more of a positive attitude.

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Umm, Ive posted in 2 PS2 threads...So sure, thats every thread ive been too... Maybe if Sony would announce a PS2 that dosn't break down after 91 days I would post a little more of a positive attitude.

Your comments are not welcome here. Leave and never return.

[GizmoDVD]

My comments are not welcome? Im simply stating the facts. I work in a videogame store and see how many PS2 systems come back after 3-6 months. The PSOne however is a pretty solid system, and I own one along with a screen and a dozen games. Until Sony can correct there mistakes with the PS2, I won't buy one.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
My comments are not welcome? Im simply stating the facts. I work in a videogame store and see how many PS2 systems come back after 3-6 months. The PSOne however is a pretty solid system, and I own one along with a screen and a dozen games. Until Sony can correct there mistakes with the PS2, I won't buy one.

So this means you'll do nothing but gripe about anything PS2, rather than look at it objectively? How mature...I thought all the fanboys were at ign.com...

FS

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Umm, Ive posted in 2 PS2 threads...So sure, thats every thread ive been too... Maybe if Sony would announce a PS2 that dosn't break down after 91 days I would post a little more of a positive attitude.
:lol: rotfl :lol:

Back on topic.. while I'm sure there would be SOME good use for this.. device.. the Wishy Washy idea does sound pretty lame.

Does anybody remember how popular the Gameboy Camera was? ;)

[GizmoDVD]

No, not everything. PS2 has some decent, exclusive games (Jak and Dexter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, The Final Fnatasy Series), but not a whole lot more. There E3 lineup looks very good. But until they fix the problems with there unreliable hardware, I won't purchase one.

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
No, not everything. PS2 has some decent, exclusive games (Jak and Dexter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, The Final Fnatasy Series), but not a whole lot more. There E3 lineup looks very good. But until they fix the problems with there unreliable hardware, I won't purchase one.

Please don't ever buy one... EVER!

The hardware is not unreliable. With 50 million units out there, the fail rate of a PS2 is no higher than an X-box or a GameCube. The majority of problems can be accounted to consumer error and can be fixed within minutes. For someone who claims to work in a videogame store, your lack of knowledge on the subject is scary. Stop posting!

[GizmoDVD]

My lack of knowledge? Since we have opened, we have had 2 Gamecube defective. 3 Xboxs. and 23 PS2's... Hmm...

The reason why 50 Million PS2's have shipped is because everyone that has owned one has needed 2-3 system because they either 1. Won't play Blue discs. 2. Won't play DVDs. 3. Won't do anything.

[Drive-In Nut]

Well said, Gizmo.

[cheapskate]

Originally posted by pixyboi

Back on topic.. while I'm sure there would be SOME good use for this.. device.. the Wishy Washy idea does sound pretty lame.

Does anybody remember how popular the Gameboy Camera was? ;)

Yeah...I have to agree - Why would anyone want to play a game about window cleaning, when I could go outside and wishy-washy my OWN windows? (which are filthy btw) ;)

They'll really need a killer app to sell this... and I don't think "Virtual Housekeeping" is going to be it...

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
My lack of knowledge? Since we have opened, we have had 2 Gamecube defective. 3 Xboxs. and 23 PS2's... Hmm...

The reason why 50 Million PS2's have shipped is because everyone that has owned one has needed 2-3 system because they either 1. Won't play Blue discs. 2. Won't play DVDs. 3. Won't do anything.

LOL you're kidding right?? You do realize that if you sell more PS2's than the other 2, you're going to get back more PS2 as faulty?

And your 2nd statement is even more comical...forget what everyone else said, keep posting! It's a riot to read!

FS

[The Franchise]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
The reason why 50 Million PS2's have shipped is because everyone that has owned one has needed 2-3 system because they either 1. Won't play Blue discs. 2. Won't play DVDs. 3. Won't do anything. This statement along with the fact that you work in a game store pretty much explains everything. For the record, I bought a PS2 at launch, used it standing sideways, and it plays DVD's, blue discs and does everything (online play, washing dishes, gardening, baby-sitting) ;)

[GizmoDVD]

Flash, we sell more Xbox's then PS2's (Not by much though, both are pretty close, Gamecube is far behind though).

I can see your love for a system is too much for anyone to change. Oh well. Enjoy your 're-defined' Splinter Cell :)

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Flash, we sell more Xbox's then PS2's (Not by much though, both are pretty close, Gamecube is far behind though).

I can see your love for a system is too much for anyone to change. Oh well. Enjoy your 're-defined' Splinter Cell :)

Well at least we know you're an Xbox fanboy now...what store do you work for?

And FYI, I own a PS2, Xbox, GC, and Dreamcast. Maybe when you get a good-paying job, you can buy ALL the systems you want and not NEED to be a fanboy!

FS

[GizmoDVD]

Flash, I work for Game Crazy. I also own every videogame system made (except for the PS2). That includes Atari, Turbo Grafx, Nintendo, Sega etc.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by ^sam^
They'll really need a killer app to sell this... and I don't think "Virtual Housekeeping" is going to be it...
Virtual Mastrubation on the other hand, could really elevate sales of the PS2 and Eye Toy. Better yet, make it Online enabled.

[GizmoDVD]

I just don't see how this Eye Candy will ever catch on. Who want's to wash windows? Gameboy Camera never caught on, nor did the recent Worm Cam. I have this feeling the Camera will be alot light Light Guns, with only a handful of games that support it.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Flash, I work for Game Crazy. I also own every videogame system made (except for the PS2). That includes Atari, Turbo Grafx, Nintendo, Sega etc.

How nice, so do I...it's your loss for missing all the great PS2 games. I've had one since day one...with no problems. I guess it's more fun to be bitter rather than to play good games.

FS

[GizmoDVD]

Flash, you speak of great games, and Im not sure which ones they are. You work at Game Crazy, you know what comes out, and you still think PS2 has better games? For shame.

[cheapskate]

Originally posted by pixyboi
Virtual Mastrubation on the other hand, could really elevate sales of the PS2 and Eye Toy. Better yet, make it Online enabled.

...you sleaze bag... I bet you're hoping it's Dual Shock compatible too... ;)

I'd prefer Virtual Filing 3D...or any sort of office management game... Photocopy King 2003? :p

OK, now I can't think of *one* good use for this thing... :)

[The Franchise]

This thread is officially hilarious!!! :D

I think they mean to make the eye toy so that games are more accessible to people who don't always play games. A lot of people wont play games because the controls are too complex or they don't know the buttons on the controller. With this device, even novices could get in on the action because you just have to move around. Sounds like a niche device but could be a great party toy.

Would be cool if they could have it be motion based like the games at Dave and Buster's where you dodge bullets and punches from a first person perspective.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Flash, you speak of great games, and Im not sure which ones they are. You work at Game Crazy, you know what comes out, and you still think PS2 has better games? For shame.

"So do I" meaning I own all the systems too, just about everything from an Atari 2600 on up. So how's the Xbox versions of Kingdom Hearts, Amplitude, Suikoden 3, GTA and Rez? It's about the games, no one cares about what system you hate, and you're not supposed to be console-bashing on these forums anyways. Take it to ign...

SF

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by ^sam^
...you sleaze bag... I bet you're hoping it's Dual Shock compatible too... ;)

I'd prefer Virtual Filing 3D...or any sort of office management game... Photocopy King 2003? :p

OK, now I can't think of *one* good use for this thing... :)
How about a tie in with Final Fantasy XXY-3.5 Alpha International version that allows you to communicate with the generica anime characters in the game via sign language. You sign language a phrase, and are treated to an hour of CG cinematics!!

Millions will be sold and PS2 shall remain king.

[GizmoDVD]

How's your Halo? :)

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
How's your Halo? :)

Great! I play it on my Xbox! Why do you ask?

FS

[The Franchise]

Originally posted by pixyboi
How about a tie in with Final Fantasy XXY-3.5 Alpha International version that allows you to communicate with the generica anime characters in the game via sign language. You sign language a phrase, and are treated to an hour of CG cinematics!!

Millions will be sold and PS2 shall remain king. Make it stop!! LOL I like Final Fantasy but this was too funny. :) Best. Thread. Ever. (Please don't lock this thread mods... it's way too funny)

[PixyJunket]

Alright kids, we all know each system has thier share of great games but it falls under individual taste. If you like generic anime RPGs, PS2 for you. If you like generic FPS, Xbox for you. If you like generic childrens games, GC for you. If you like washing windows, then what are you doing on this forum?!

[GizmoDVD]

Washing Windows? Only on PS2!

[cheapskate]

Originally posted by pixyboi
How about a tie in with Final Fantasy XXY-3.5 Alpha International version that allows you to communicate with the generica anime characters in the game via sign language. You sign language a phrase, and are treated to an hour of CG cinematics!!

Millions will be sold and PS2 shall remain king.

Of course! The Franchise is worried about games being too complex for some players - so what better way to simplify things than by using SIGN LANGUAGE to control the game? ;)

Better yet - sign language in JAPANESE... that's much easier to learn than "X = Jump". ;)

Or an Eminem/Liam Gallagher simulator where you could virtually flip the bird at fans/critics/Carson Daly... ???

I'm much more excited about this now than I was on the first page :p

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by pixyboi
Alright kids, we all know each system has thier share of great games but it falls under individual taste. If you like generic anime RPGs, PS2 for you. If you like generic FPS, Xbox for you. If you like generic childrens games, GC for you. If you like washing windows, then what are you doing on this forum?!

Oh I know, that's why I own them all, who cares what system it's on?

Anyways, back on topic...this would rank up there with Samba de Amigo's maracas and a DDR game...something fun that's accessible to anyone, and you get to just around and make a fool of yourself. What more could you ask from a game?

And Gizmo, you might want to readthis thread before you go on.... (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172249)

FS

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by The Franchise
Make it stop!! LOL I like Final Fantasy but this was too funny. :) Best. Thread. Ever. (Please don't lock this thread mods... it's way too funny)
Thanks!!

Let us all put aside our differences, and join together to make fun of the Eye Toy!

[GizmoDVD]

Samba De Amigo was cool....even if the Maracas only worked on one game...But this Eye Toy...WOAH! Thsi will reinvent gaming cameras as we know it. I can't wait for kids to wash my car for free!

[spainlinx0]

Maybe they will release that beertap game people were talking about in the old arcade game thread. Seems like simple controls that might work here. Of course I never played that game so I'm not sure how it works.

[The Franchise]

How about a King Kong simulator where you have to climb a giant skyscraper and flick planes out of the sky using your fingers?

Or a Michael Jackson simulator where you go to a little league game and.....

[PixyJunket]

Holy crap. I just read that they plan on shipping TWELEVE games with this!!

Has Sony finally gone mad? -eek-

[cheapskate]

Virtual Al Bundy?

[GizmoDVD]

Are they shipping it with 12 games, or are they built-in? I couldn't imagine these simple games costing more then $5.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by The Franchise
Or a Michael Jackson simulator where you go to a little league game and.....
rotfl :lol: ouch.. too much laughing..

Of course watch this thing explode into a fury of popularity and somebody digs up this thread so we all choke on our words of jest. *scared*

[The Franchise]

Hopefully one of the games will be a Karate Kid tie in where you'll get orders from Mr Miyage

[Miyage accent/]
Wax on, wax off, daniel-son. Paint-fence up and down daniel-son, Catch flies with chopstix daniel-son.
[/Miyage accent]

[ipkevin]

POLICE 911!

Seriously, have you guys ever seen that Konami arcade lightgun game where you can "dodge" the incoming bullets? Well, it was released for the PS2 everywhere but North America. Due to the trenchcoat mafia asswipes, we never got to see it here. It allowed you to use a USB webcamera to track your movement (brilliant). If they finally bring that game over here (hopefully along with Police 911 part 2), then I would be willing to buy it even if it meant having to unnecessarily shell out for the Eye Toy.

[GizmoDVD]

Flash, Im not bashing BTW. Im simply stating the facts that PS2's are made cheaply and brake down alot. Its a known fact.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Flash, Im not bashing BTW. Im simply stating the facts that PS2's are made cheaply and brake down alot. Its a known fact.
I'll agree.. people seem to think anything negative said towards a system or a game is console bashing. Nowhere did you make any comments that fall under the console bashing guidelines in the link that Flash provided. When I say Final Fantasy sucks, it's not Playstation bashing, becuase if they ported the <strike>game</strike> movie over to Xbox or Gamecube, my opinion would remain.

However, a lot more bickering brewed from the fact you stated then there needed to be.. so let's be civil and get back to the topic.

[GizmoDVD]

Hehe, back on topic? About the Eye Toy...? Umm.. I hope they have better launch games then Washing Windows...

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Hehe, back on topic? About the Eye Toy...? Umm.. I hope they have better launch games then Washing Windows...
They mentioned a Kung Fu game..

I can see the headlines now: "Mom sues Sony after child goes on karate spree at school! 17 injured!"

Let's not forget broken houseware from an overly exciting play session.

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Flash, Im not bashing BTW. Im simply stating the facts that PS2's are made cheaply and brake down alot. Its a known fact.

No, that is your opinion. Opinion is different than fact. If you can show a consumer group which did a study of reliability which supported your opinion, then maybe it would hold water. But the way you put it, it is only opinion.

Originally posted by pixyboi
I'll agree.. people seem to think anything negative said towards a system or a game is console bashing. Nowhere did you make any comments that fall under the console bashing guidelines in the link that Flash provided. When I say Final Fantasy sucks, it's not Playstation bashing, becuase if they ported the game movie over to Xbox or Gamecube, my opinion would remain.

No, this is console bashing. *Sigh* some people just don't understand the concept of a fact and opinion. If you say PS2 Sucks or Final Fantasy Sucks, then that is console bashing. If, on the other hand, you say, I think the PS2 Sucks or In my opinion Final Fantasy Sucks, then that is your opinion. See the difference? If not, return to grade school for a refreshers course.

[GizmoDVD]

The fact is I received 23 defective PS2s at my store, while they other consoles had 2-3 defective. Thats a Fact. PS2 is unreliable. Thats a fact.

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
The fact is I received 23 defective PS2s at my store, while they other consoles had 2-3 defective. Thats a Fact. PS2 is unreliable. Thats a fact.

First part may be a fact, but jumping from part A to part B is not logical. This is because it is not controlled. Have you gone back and test all these "defective" PS2s to make sure that it is not just the customers returning them for new ones while still under warrantee? Are these the same people who keep coming back? Are these consumers treating the PS2 like a electronic equipment? Are the games they claim don't work stratched beyond simple repair? You don't know the answers because you don't have the right to know. You can't ask these questions if a person returns their machine. Show me a study that proves your "fact" and I will believe you. Until then, its just speculation.

[PixyJunket]

How is saying Final Fantasy sucks console bashing? It's not a console.

[GizmoDVD]

Yes, we test everything that has claimed to be defective. We copy down the Serial #'s when we sell the system and make sure they match (and they havn't been re-applied over another #). We make sure there has been no tampering. Most of the systems belong to adults, not children. Also, the people that own PS2's usually own another gaming system (Xbox mostly), and know how to handle things properly.

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Yes, we test everything that has claimed to be defective. We copy down the Serial #'s when we sell the system and make sure they match (and they havn't been re-applied over another #). We make sure there has been no tampering. Most of the systems belong to adults, not children. Also, the people that own PS2's usually own another gaming system (Xbox mostly), and know how to handle things properly.

the failure rate for the PS2 and Xbox and Gc are very close. sorry that your store has some issue with their PS2's maybe they are not being handled internally like they should.

Also unless your store is very strange the PS2 has a way higher installed base so it is statistically unlikely that the people who buy PS2 usually already own the XBox since is has sold dramatically less units that the PS2.

Of course since Hollywood video is slowly rolling out the gamecrazy concept maybe you are basing all this on a month or two worth of "facts" and not on a year or more worth of returns.

By the way my PS2 is still going strong over a year later.

[GizmoDVD]

No, I record all the defective systems after they have been checked. 23 PS2s, 2 Cubes, 3 Xboxes.

14 out of those 23 own Xboxs (I take this info down as well).

The facts are based on 8 months of business, and all those PS2's were bought from us throughout those 8 months.

Anything else?

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
No, I record all the defective systems after they have been checked. 23 PS2s, 2 Cubes, 3 Xboxes.

14 out of those 23 own Xboxs (I take this info down as well).

The facts are based on 8 months of business, and all those PS2's were bought from us throughout those 8 months.

Anything else?

The bottomline you are making grand statements of fact about the PS2 based on a very small sample of returns in one game store and based on that claiming the PS2 has a higher defect rate overall than other systems which is simply untrue.

8 months is not even a long time in business to be able to determine trends.

[GizmoDVD]

Yawn.

You won't ever be happy unless Sony announces how many defective PS2's they have had. Oh well. Stay in your imaginary world. where PS2 rules all.

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
Yawn.

You won't ever be happy unless Sony announces how many defective PS2's they have had. Oh well. Stay in your imaginary world. where PS2 rules all.

the PS2 does not rule all. In fact I have reasons to wish things were different but sadly they are not.

I remember when people were saying the XBoxes were all defective when they had a few problems. I said the same thing in those threads. All the consoles are very close in defect rates since if one had a huge problem we would be hearing about it in commercials.

Buy your console based on the games you want to play not based on a supposed higher or lower defect rate at one game crazy store.

I do agree I do not take a single persons word on the defect rate of a 51 million selling console based on 8 months data from one game store. Sorry if that bothers you.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
No, I record all the defective systems after they have been checked. 23 PS2s, 2 Cubes, 3 Xboxes.

14 out of those 23 own Xboxs (I take this info down as well).

The facts are based on 8 months of business, and all those PS2's were bought from us throughout those 8 months.

Anything else?

You're probably one of those people that say "Well, the poll can't be right because no one called me and asked for MY opinion!"

Your data is meaningless...and claiming that people have to buy 2 or 3 Playstations is boosting thier results. Give me a break. Your one data point proves nothing about the reliability of the PS2. Don't you think someone in the press would ave picked up on this by now? Or are you the only one on top of this store because of your 23 returned systems? :rolleyes:

FS

[Groucho]

Remember: if you criticize the "Eye Toy" you are a "Sony-basher." But if you criticize that camera Nintendo made for the Gameboy you are a "mature gamer."

[The Franchise]

Gizmo, are you sure you weren't counting votes in Florida during the last election?

[Decker]

My PS2 was purchased at launch and I have had no problems with it at all. My friend has had one since Christmas '00 and his is still fine. My mother bought her husband one last November and it's still working fine.

Based on this detailed sampling, I have concluded that there is no manufacturing problems with the PS2 and it is extremely reliable and well made.

--ptth-

[PixyJunket]

I know 2 people that have had a PS2 crap out on them and 1 guy who had 2 crap out on him. Of course I know a lot of people with PS2's.. but still..

Plus, anybody who had the first PSX knows damn well those things are built to break. The only person I knew who had a PSX that didn't need to be placed on it's side, upside down, or inside a pentagram to function properly was my ex-fiancee.. of course I played the machine more in one day then she did since she got it.

I've actually heard the PSone models are reliable though, plus they're so cute!

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by pixyboi
I know 2 people that have had a PS2 crap out on them and 1 guy who had 2 crap out on him. Of course I know a lot of people with PS2's.. but still..

Plus, anybody who had the first PSX knows damn well those things are built to break. The only person I knew who had a PSX that didn't need to be placed on it's side, upside down, or inside a pentagram to function properly was my ex-fiancee.. of course I played the machine more in one day then she did since she got it.

I've actually heard the PSone models are reliable though, plus they're so cute!

I know 9 people, including myself, who own PS2s without problems. I owned an original PSX (no dual shock) up until the PS2 came out with no problems.

[goLUCKY]

The I-Toy will do video conferenceing! :o

from news.com
Sony also introduced a new accessory for the PlayStation 2, the I Toy. The USB camera will initially be used as a custom game controller, but Sony also expects it to support videoconferencing, live special effects and a host of other uses.

[TaTTooD]

i bought my ps2 about a year after launch. after a year and a half it broke so i got a new one with my replacement plan. the nice thing is since there was a price drop since then i got a voucher for the original amount so i got a new ps2 and 2 free games. i'm actually glad mine broke :D

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by joshd2012
I know 9 people, including myself, who own PS2s without problems. I owned an original PSX (no dual shock) up until the PS2 came out with no problems.
I also know 9 people w/o problems. I'm saying this on a totally unbiased view: It's common knowledge that thier machines are built poorly. The producer of Resident Evil even stated that as the reason he wanted to move the RE series off the PS platform. (course, then he realized they weren't selling on the GC and has since stated the series will probably go back to other consoles). Results will vary as always.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by TaTTooD
i bought my ps2 about a year after launch. after a year and a half it broke so i got a new one with my replacement plan. the nice thing is since there was a price drop since then i got a voucher for the original amount so i got a new ps2 and 2 free games. i'm actually glad mine broke :D
Score!

I will also state that one of my friends who had one die, Sony repaired it for no charge and this was WAAAY after the warranty expired. So I will give them crdit on thier service. The problem is many people may not call and instead just buy a second unit.

[Decker]

Actuallly it was due to the difficulty programming for the PS2 officially (unofficially it was probably due to large wads of cash being thrown at him from Nintendo). It had nothing to do with the PS2's reliability and the decision was made prior to the system's US launch.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by Decker
Actuallly it was due to the difficulty programming for the PS2 officially (unofficially it was probably due to large wads of cash being thrown at him from Nintendo). It had nothing to do with the PS2's reliability and the decision was made prior to the system's US launch.
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure what I read was from Magic Box.. but I know it said something about Sony's business practice, and that was brought up as an example point. Is there a way to search for article on Magic Box? If I can find it I'll post it. I'm pretty damn sure I read that though because I thought it was hilarious.

[young]

Originally posted by pixyboi
I also know 9 people w/o problems. I'm saying this on a totally unbiased view: It's common knowledge that thier machines are built poorly. The producer of Resident Evil even stated that as the reason he wanted to move the RE series off the PS platform. (course, then he realized they weren't selling on the GC and has since stated the series will probably go back to other consoles). Results will vary as always.

do you have a source for this common knowledge? the producer of RE stating a self-serving comment is not fact - just marketing.

the ps2 is probably as well made as any other piece of consumer electronics out there. better than my sampo dvd player at least.

i'd also bet that the rates of defective ps2's are about the same as nintendo and xbox.

--
and stop bashing final fantasy... the bestest game in the universe! whoo hoo!

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by pixyboi
Score!

I will also state that one of my friends who had one die, Sony repaired it for no charge and this was WAAAY after the warranty expired. So I will give them crdit on thier service. The problem is many people may not call and instead just buy a second unit.

of course this is my point if Sony or even MS wanted you to buy more units they would not repair them for free after the warranty if you called and pushed a little both Sony and MS have done this for people.

If the ratio of dvd rom drives failing was so high that 50% of PS2's were failing we would have lawsuits and state attorney generals going after Sony. They are not because the rate of failure is not that high. Heck if 1% of PS2 fail that would be over 510,000 units. whereas for the XBox it would be around 90,000 units so of course we will see more PS2 failures :)

Regarding Resident Evil what was said was before the Launch of the system here and was supposedly based on PS failure rates which according to 8 months of gamecrazy data is the most failure free system :)

[PixyJunket]

Interesting discussion indeed. I will agree that due to the # of PS2's sold there will naturally be a lot more known problems that other systems. I base what I say on my experinces. I've owned every major console and have only had to replace my PSX. Failure rate is also an interesting term. I don't think I can remember anybody that have had the first PSX die COMPLETELY, but I know 99% of the people I know that had them, they got real hard to deal with after the first year or so. That's what I meant by having to put the system upside down or on it's side. They still worked.. barely. Most people would rather just put up with the workarounds then pay for another system.

[young]

Originally posted by pixyboi
I base what I say on my experinces. I've owned every major console and have only had to replace my PSX.

ultimately, that's the fallacy in your (and others') posts about the ps2 being of poor quality. personal experience (anecdotal evidence) does not necessarily reflect statistical reality.

but, it's human nature so it's understandable. for example, my rca tv broke many years ago, and i've never bought another rca again. but, consumer reports shows that rca is indeed, statistically, one of the poorer makes.

[Decker]

C'mon pixyboi, you haven't owned EVERY major console system!

[Josh H]

Originally posted by young
ultimately, that's the fallacy in your (and others') posts about the ps2 being of poor quality. personal experience (anecdotal evidence) does not necessarily reflect statistical reality.

but, it's human nature so it's understandable. for example, my rca tv broke many years ago, and i've never bought another rca again. but, consumer reports shows that rca is indeed, statistically, one of the poorer makes.

True indeed. Plus, as I've state before, random consumer reports (especially on the interenet) are totally useless.

I mean, if I was to go by the hardware reviews at www.audioreview.com, I could never buy anything.

The fact is that people, especially americans, love to complain and bitch about stuff. As such, they are 100x more likely to log on and post a review bitching about something they spent their hard-earned $ on crapped out, than they are to log on and post about how much they love whatever they bought.

Given the huge user base of the PS2, more will break down that the other systems, but not necessarily a larger proportion of the total units sold.

Couple this with the above fact that people are more likely to bitch about something breaking than to take the time to post about it working like a charm, and you get a ton of reports of broken PS2s, countered by few reports of systems working fine since launch, making the "problem" seem much worse than it actually is.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by Decker
C'mon pixyboi, you haven't owned EVERY major console system!
Everything but the PS2.. which I'm still open minded about owning eventually.

Of course that may facotr into what you consider major consoles. For the record I've owned Atari 2600, Atari 7800, NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbo Grafx 16, Playstation, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube, and every single version of the Gameboy.

Okay, so I never owned an N64 either.. -ptth-

[drmoze]

I don't see a TurboDuo (unless you have the TG CD add-on), the Atari Jaguar (yes, it *was* a major system!) the JagCD add-on, the Lynx, TurboExpress (OK, it used TG-16 games), Colecovision, Virtual Boy... (I'll let you slide on the Atari 5200. $^)

[young]

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
The fact is that people, especially americans, love to complain and bitch about stuff.

i think this is universal! people aren't happy unless there is something to poop on...

(i can think of a couple of other countries that are worse than the US in this aspect, but don't want to offend anyone : paranoid: )

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by young
but, it's human nature so it's understandable. for example, my rca tv broke many years ago, and i've never bought another rca again. but, consumer reports shows that rca is indeed, statistically, one of the poorer makes.
The strange thing is that other than the Playstation, I'm a Sony whore. Other than the Playstation, I think they make the some of the finest electronics out there (or at least finest in my price range). It honestly baffled me to have seen so many broke down PSX's when I've grown to trust and love Sony's equipment. But having seen so many faulty machines has nothing to do with why I don't own the PS2. Xbox Live, Metroid, and Zelda are why I don't own a PS2.

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by drmoze
I don't see a TurboDuo (unless you have the TG CD add-on), the Atari Jaguar (yes, it *was* a major system!) the JagCD add-on, the Lynx, TurboExpress (OK, it used TG-16 games), Colecovision, Virtual Boy... (I'll let you slide on the Atari 5200. $^)
Would not consider ANY of those major consoles. I don't even consider the TG16 a major console, but I had one. Colecovision perhaps, but that was before my time.. The 5200 was my first machine (I was 4 year old.. I think), and I got a 2600 later on down the road for cheap.

[Decker]

Yeah, I was getting at the whole PS2 thing. If you don't own that, you don't own every major console.
I'm kinda shocked that you didn't have an N64, either. You've aquired somewhat of a rep as a Nintendo fanboy, you know?

[PixyJunket]

Originally posted by Decker
I'm kinda shocked that you didn't have an N64, either. You've aquired somewhat of a rep as a Nintendo fanboy, you know?
-eek- -eek-
That's hilarious.. I actually thought the Gamecube was pretty pathetic until Metroid and Zelda came out. When some of my friends saw I had a Cube they were like "Oh ****, hell must've frozen over!" ..and I didn't get an Xbox until the proce drop, and only because my friend who was staying with me left and took his, and I needed something to play Jet Set Radio on.

Until about November of 2002, I was pretty much equal opprutunity hater of all new systems.

[Decker]

Well, maybe a nostalgic Nintendo fanboy, then. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

;)

[joshd2012]

To get back on topic:


Sony Computer Entertainment Europe are pleased to announce the July release of their London Studio developed 'EyeToy: Play' the first title to utilise the PlayStation®2 exclusive 'Eyetoy Technology'.

'EyeToy: Play' is a compendium of twelve games, which are not only stunningly simple and instantly playable but deliver compelling entertainment for every member of the family. From the wild and wacky UFO Juggling to the more serene water effects in the playroom, 'EyeToy: Play' is the party game for the 21st century.

'Eyetoy: Play' places you at the centre of a unique game experience – literally! By linking the PlayStation 2 to the supplied EyeToy USB camera the player(s) will feature live on screen within the game enabling them to physically interact with, and manipulate game-featured characters and environments, allowing them to truly be the star of the game!

As a leap forward in home entertainment, 'EyeToy: Play' is the beginning of a new era in console games experiences, and set to change the face of traditional console gaming as we know it. It has the potential to inspire an entirely new genre of gaming experience and appeal to a brand new audience... So come on everyone get up and Play!

The twelve games included in 'EyeToy: Play' are -

Beat Freak
For Family members that love to dance! Choose one of the licensed tracks and then use the flying CDs as a guide to hit the loudspeakers in time with the music. Guaranteed to get you strutting your funky stuff in no time!

Kung Foo
Use any technique you know as you take on a relentless wave of martial art opponents. Whether they come running along the ground or leaping in from the top of pagodas, you'll have to react quickly to stop them getting through your defences.

Wishi Washi
'I go window cleaning to earn an honest bob, for a nosey parker it's an interesting job'. Wash your way through a series of windows, cleaning off all the soap suds to progress on to the next floor. You'll have to scrub a bit harder if you come across a patch of bird poo and look out for the bonus water droplets along the way.

Keep Ups
Stop the ball from falling off the bottom of the screen by keeping it up in the air using your head. It's not as easy as it sounds as a series of various characters appear throughout the game, giving you helpful hints or putting you off your game...

Boxing Chump
It's time for the main event and you have to take on Big Robo Bro. You'll have to try and avoid your opponent's guard to if you want to land a proper punch but remember to keep moving so you don't get hit back.

UFO Juggler
3, 2, 1, Blast Off!...Take control of the UFOs as they emerge from their launch bays and give them enough spin to fly off the top of the screen. You'll have to be careful not to overdo it though, and you better keep an eye on the weather.

Slap Stream
Watch carefully as a sequence of characters pop out of the four clouds. All you need to do is hit the evil ratmen while avoiding the bunny girls. The faster you get them, the higher your score.

Plate Spinner
Try to keep the plates spinning on their poles. It'll start with just one but soon you'll have four on the go. Keep and eye out for the evil monkeys; they'll try and knock the plates off if you give them a chance.

Boogie Down
Select your track and then watch Qt as she pulls off some funky dance moves, by triggering a combination of five disco lights. Now it's your turn to repeat the moves in time with her. The more accurate your timing, the more points will be awarded.

Ghost Catcher
Spot the ghosts as they appear from the graveyard and try to pop them before they escape off the top of the screen. The ghosts will certainly keep you busy but you'll need to watch out for bats as well; they'll suck your points away if you're not careful.

Mirror Time
Burst the good bubbles and avoid the bad ones as a series of four appear on screen. Sounds easy. Unfortunately, not only do the bubbles start shrinking as soon as they appear but you'll have to contend with a rotating screen as well, just to make things that little bit more difficult.

Rocket Rumble
Make your selection from the rockets fired onto the screen and then hit the detonators to set off spectacular explosions. Link together chains of like-coloured rockets to open up the special ones, allowing for even more stunning, and higher scoring, displays.

With no complicated button pushes 'EyeToy: Play' is instantly accessible, as all you need to play is the ability to move! Guaranteed to have you leaping across your living room 'EyeToy: Play' is a very active alternative to the button bashing of other games... So come on all you couch potatoes get up off that sofa and Play!

[cheapskate]

Originally posted by joshd2012
You'll have to scrub a bit harder if you come across a patch of bird poo

Ladies and Gentlemen...your new favourite game! :p

[FlashStash]

Some more opinions on this game set-up from Slashdot...they like it!

" Eye Toy was the stand-out surprise of the booth, since it's infinitely more satisfying in the flesh than if explained or shown in screenshots. It stars a series of almost Point Blank-styled mini-games, such as keeping a soccer ball in the air or chopsocking cartoony ninjas as they swarm from the sides of the screen. The key is that you can see yourself onscreen, courtesy of the USB camera that comes with the games, and can adjust your physical position to hit or interact with the objects that appear on the TV. A boxing mini-game where you dueled a robot, Punch-Out style, was another highlight, one which had attendees ducking and weaving as they landed virtual punches on the poor hunk o'metal. Considering this will all cost about the price of a normal PS2 game, it's a seriously quirky but cool stand-out. "

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by FlashStash
Some more opinions on this game set-up from Slashdot...they like it!

" Eye Toy was the stand-out surprise of the booth, since it's infinitely more satisfying in the flesh than if explained or shown in screenshots. It stars a series of almost Point Blank-styled mini-games, such as keeping a soccer ball in the air or chopsocking cartoony ninjas as they swarm from the sides of the screen. The key is that you can see yourself onscreen, courtesy of the USB camera that comes with the games, and can adjust your physical position to hit or interact with the objects that appear on the TV. A boxing mini-game where you dueled a robot, Punch-Out style, was another highlight, one which had attendees ducking and weaving as they landed virtual punches on the poor hunk o'metal. Considering this will all cost about the price of a normal PS2 game, it's a seriously quirky but cool stand-out. "

actually if it only costs from $39.99 to $49.99 it might be kind of neat of course we can buy it at Best Buy and use a gamer coupon :)

I wonder how many will try to wait and see if it goes greatest hits to pick it up for $14.99 after gamers coupon ;)

[spainlinx0]

I might actually pick one up for the novelty at that price.

[GizmoDVD]

I had a hands-on experience with one of these today..

Wow, this is really the dumbest idea. The only people that will buy this will be Kids, and Drunk Teenagers. When I played, and watched others, it was completly off (Maybe because its a beta, hopefully). Anyway, Im not going to go into a whole thing about it, but I can't really see this thing lasting that long.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by GizmoDVD
I had a hands-on experience with one of these today..

Wow, this is really the dumbest idea. The only people that will buy this will be Kids, and Drunk Teenagers. When I played, and watched others, it was completly off (Maybe because its a beta, hopefully). Anyway, Im not going to go into a whole thing about it, but I can't really see this thing lasting that long.

You mean you don't like the game?? Gee, what a surprise!

FS

[Decker]

Did the whole device blow up or catch on fire while you were playing with it?
;)

It does sound silly but maybe a little fun for parties. More importantly, it might later be used in a more integrated way with a more sophisticated game. Imagine how cool it will be when they really use the technology to inset your image into, for example NBA Street 3 or Tekken 5. That device has potential. For right now, that Point Blank reference sounds about right.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by Decker
Did the whole device blow up or catch on fire while you were playing with it?
;)

It does sound silly but maybe a little fun for parties. More importantly, it might later be used in a more integrated way with a more sophisticated game. Imagine how cool it will be when they really use the technology to inset your image into, for example NBA Street 3 or Tekken 5. That device has potential. For right now, that Point Blank reference sounds about right.

That's the problem with games today...I have friends who come over who aren't big game players, and they look through my games and want to play something. 99% of the games today aren't 'plug in and play'...meaning you need to explain 50 different things to them before they play. Something like this you put in and play. In the same vein as "here, take these maracas and shake them to the music! :)

FS

[The Franchise]

I think Sony is also hinting at future interfaces for games. They have to evolve the dual shock at some point and just think if some games let you work with gestures or movement rather than a controller. In an RPG, if you frown, it knows you're angry, and if you smile, your avatar is happy. Stuff like that. It's a step in the right direction if you ask me.

This is still the best E3 thread out there. :)

[Kainan]

LOL, the funniest thing I see here is each side saying that the other side is biased when both are being so. Flash acts like it is all Gizmo and vice versa. Flash, you sound like a Sony junkie who would jump anyone who had a negative thing to say whether it was TRUE or not.

I own all 3 systems and I like each for different reasons. I love the Xbox for FPS games and LIVE action which is far superior to what Sony delivered after they promised so much. Even Xbox has underachieved with online though. I love the Sony for the platorm games that I play with my son (4 years old). It has some other good games too but the platformers kick but. I have yet to like a platformer better than Sly Cooper (yeah, maybe I'm in the minority). I love my GC for RE games and those special games that no one else can get. I hate Zelda (yeah beat me with a stick) but I love Metroid and Mario is pretty cool too. (though still not as fun as Sly Cooper to me).

There is no doubt that any one person can't just take their own experience with a system and claim it as a statistical fact but I must say, after owning 3 PSXs and on my 2nd PS2 that Sony has not represented itself well to me either on the hardware front. The sad thing is that with THE ENORMOUS amount of problems with the PSX to the point that it was even written about in almost all of the popular game mags I would think even the biggest Sony lovers would conclude that the PSX was crap hardware. This thread proves otherwise. You can beat some people over the head with the stick of truth and they still don't accept it for one reason or another. I knew a TON of gamers all over and I think ONE of them had a PSX that lasted. This isn't substantial evidence by itself but the numerous accounts in mags and widespread complaints should count for something!

On the other hand, WHY OH WHY would anyone deny great games due to hardware issues when you can easily buy a 2 year warranty (or even do the crappy hardware swap at Wally World)? I learned my lesson with the PSX and now I buy an extended warranty with every new system. When I got my PS2 replaced I purchased ANOTHER 2 year extended warranty for about $20 or so. This is certainly worth it to play the games that the PS2 has to offer.
If you think I'm biased then so be it but I'm calling it like I see it.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by Kainan
LOL, the funniest thing I see here is each side saying that the other side is biased when both are being so. Flash acts like it is all Gizmo and vice versa. Flash, you sound like a Sony junkie who would jump anyone who had a negative thing to say whether it was TRUE or not.



Say whatever you like...I stated I own and play all 3 systems. I'm the furthest thing you'll find from a fanboy for any one system. I buy the GAMES I like and then play it on the system that it is designed for.

What I AM, and do on a daily basis, is a data analyst. Saying that one store got 20+ returns on a system cannot be extrapolated to say that the PS2's sales numbers are so high because people have to buy 2 or 3 systems. That's some damn faulty logic. Yet that's all the proof he offers...no articles, no national numbers, nothing. I am a statistics whore, and that kind of faulty analysis doesn't even qualify him as a bitch :D
FS

[Kainan]

Originally posted by FlashStash
Say whatever you like...I stated I own and play all 3 systems. I'm the furthest thing you'll find from a fanboy for any one system. I buy the GAMES I like and then play it on the system that it is designed for.

What I AM, and do on a daily basis, is a data analyst. Saying that one store got 20+ returns on a system cannot be extrapolated to say that the PS2's sales numbers are so high because people have to buy 2 or 3 systems. That's some damn faulty logic. Yet that's all the proof he offers...no articles, no national numbers, nothing. I am a statistics whore, and that kind of faulty analysis doesn't even qualify him as a bitch :D
FS

The problem is that statistics can be rigged just as well so who knows what to believe? I've seen numerous surveys and such that painted a one sided picture only to find out later that there was a certain tactic used to corrupt the study.
Also, and this is the BIG issue, just because there is NO statistical data does NOT prove that something isn't true. Sony did all they could to cover up the PSX issue and denied it till the end yet countless numbers of people all over bought several systems and as I said before it was bad enough to be written up in most major mags. Well, there was no statistical proof so Sony denied it. This doesn't mean that the system wasn't bad. It simply proves that Sony would rather go to the grave before admitting the truth AND that no one felt it was worth the money to go out and prove the defective rate of this unit. Also, I'm not saying that the Sony sales numbers are super high due to defective rate but even YOU would have to admit that a bad system causing a consumer to buy yet another system would STATISTICALLY add to the number of bought units!

By the way, I know a ton of people who own all three systems who are severe Fanboys. I'm not saying you are one but I'm just saying that it really proves nothing for either of us unless you can pull some statistic out of a hat. ;)

[Kainan]

Oh, one last thing. Since you have no statistics that the PSX or PS2 are good systems(hardware faulty wise) does that make your opinion not even equal to that of which you called Gizmo? Just putting the shoe on the other foot for you since you have yet to provide anything but talk yourself.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by Kainan
The problem is that statistics can be rigged just as well so who knows what to believe...

Blah-blah-blah....

I don't need to prove anything...but you don't base a conclusion one one data point, which is what Gizmo did. It's that simple...did you even read any of the other threads in this post? And you mean if I have to buy another system it will add to the sales of that system? Really?? Wow...no kidding. Gizmo claimed though that EVERY person had to buy 2 OR 3 systems....that's a big difference.

Oh and find the threads where I'm badmouthing any of the systems that I own before you go accusing me of being a fanboy.

And as for your last post...do you think there are articles out there that say "Sony PS2 Defect Rates Same as All Other Systems"...of course not. If there's nothing wrong, there's no story. Don't you think if things were as bad as Gizmo claims, though, someone would have picked up on it? If EVERY person had to buy 2 OR 3 systems? Or even if the defect rate on PS2's was abnormal? Of course it would be news...but it isn't, becuase it's not true...if you're going to state a claim that 99% of the people on this forum don't believe, you need to be the one supplying the proof, and one Game Crazy store's experiences isn't exactly proof!

Edit: Here's an interesting blurb I found in a trade publication website (Dealerscope), which is for electronics dealers:

"Often when returning a product, the customer claims it's "defective." Manufacturers who frequently test returned products claim the "no-defect-found" ratio runs between 60 and 90 percent. Older products that are beyond the retailer's posted store return period are frequently returned without a receipt or with a receipt obtained from a more recent purchase of the same brand and model. Without SiRAS's ER process, the retailer has no way of evaluating the customer's claim. "

Full Article (http://216.239.33.104/search?q=cache:BhMM4VQVXbwC:www.dealerscope.com/doc/334278532203924.bsp+playstation+defect+rates&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

FS

[FlashStash]

Something funny I found on TechTales.com, where tech folks tell funny calls they've recieved...this might be one of Gizmos's customers :DPlaystation

"I work for one of the largest company's in the United Kingdom as one of many first line support technicians. After a really stressful day this call from a lady in Scotland cheered my colleagues and I right up.

tech: Good afternoon ****** ***** helpdesk, how can I help?
cust: Oh I'm getting fed up with phoning you people all the time.
tech: I'm sorry you're having problems - how can I help?
cust: this is the fifth time I've called up this week for some help?
tech: Right, do you currently have a call logged with us?
cust: No, not at the moment - the other problems have been fixed.
tech: OK, is it a problem with the same computer?
cust: "No, its the new computer I've just recieved."
tech: OK, and what seems to be the problem.
cust: "Well, I don't want to fobbed off with some rubbish - I know what I'm talking about when it comes to computers and I haven't got time to mess around."
tech: OK, well I'll do my best to help - so what exactly is the problem.
cust: "My Playstation doesn't work..."
tech: ??? - I'm sorry could you repeat that.
cust: "My Playstation doesn't work, I'm switching it on and nothing is happening."
tech: OK, is this a computer we've installed for you?
cust: "Yes, yes - an engineer came yesterday and set it up and it worked fine."
tech: So whats happened in between then and now?
cust: "Nothing."
tech: Are you sure its a Playstation?
cust: "OF COURSE I AM!"
tech: Well a Playstation is actually a games machine and its not something we would have installed for you.
cust: "LISTEN - You obviously don't know what you're talking about - let me speak to someone else."
tech: Can you see a brand name or model number on the machine?
cust: "yes...its a Toshiba Satellite etc."
tech: Ah right - its actually a docking station you're referring to.
cust: "No its not its a Playstation! - I've worked with computers for over 10 years and this is a Playstation! What are you? Stupid!"

Eventually ascertained that it was a faulty power cable that was causing the problem, but, I had to conduct the rest of the call referring to the docking station as a Playstation or the customer would start shouting down the phone at me! The looks I was getting from my colleagues were enough to send me into fits of laughter as soon as the customer hung up. God knows what she going to do when she finds she has been upgraded from 3.11 to NT "

By the way, I've searched Google every which way...not one artice on PS2 defects. There's my proof.

FS

[Kainan]

LOL! Your style is comical. Everyone has to prove everything with statistics but you. LOL! Really good man. I gave my proof of the PSX being faulty. It was widespread problems and reported in all the game Mags that I remember getting. I'm talking IGN, GamePro, NextGen(now gone). I remember the pictures posted in the magazines of the reviewers PSX systems leaned up on their sides and/or turned upside down. Oh, one other note is that when I had to take back my PS2 to EB I was told that they changed their return policy JUST FOR THE PS2. They continued to tell me that they were getting so many returns of the PS2 that Sony demanded they change the return policy to where the customer got a refurb unit unless the store didn't have any refurm units on hand. You know, every once in a while a bunch of data just stacks up and makes sense to some people. Hmm.. no statistics though so I'm sure it isn't enough proof for you so I'll move on. (Maybe I'll get some defunct PS2 DNA and send it to your lab for testing. :) )

You say blah blah blah (or whatever) to my comment about polls/surveys being rigged. If you are denying this then I highly doubt your are a data analyst. Anyone knows that things things can be fixed simply by wording things a certain way or placing the poll/survey in a certain place! That would probably be statistically impossible in your opinion though huh. LOL! I'm getting a kick out of this. What I find the funniest is you SEEM to think your data analyst skills raise your opinion above all others. I will withdraw my comment about you being a fanboy though. I took that from a few posts of yours. I'll need to do a poll and get the statistics back before that will be conclusive. :) LOL!

By the way, I've searched Google every which way...not one artice on PS2 defects. There's my proof.

Hmm.. I just did the same search of articles stating that the PS2 was good sound hardware and I couldn't find anything. There is my proof!! LOL! You are a riot man!!

Edit-

I have to give you credit for that phone call log man. That is some funny crap. I'm actually in Technical Support myself and also do programming for the company so I do know some of the crap you can get from people. I answer to high paid doctors though and you would be amazed at how little these people know! :)

[FlashStash]

1. No one's talking about the PSX...not once have I brought up the PSX. We're talking about the PS2. No one's talking about polls here either, therfore the 'blah blah blah'...the topic you brought up about polls has nothing to do with this thread. We're talking about PS2 defects.

2. Let's say the defect rate on all video game systems is 1% and PS2's is 1%...why would you find a story on that? It's not news! Now if there were problems, as you and Gizmo claim, with the PS2, someone would have reported on it. No one has...why is that so hard for you to understand? Does your local news report that "there were no accidents on Interstate 95 today"? Of course not! That's why there's no PS2 news, because there's no anomoly to report in defect rates!

3. I'm getting a kick, and truthfully saddened by the fact, that you don't have the math or logic skills to see how you can't draw a conclusion from one Game Crazy store. You had a bunch of other people come on here and say they had no problems with their PS2. You cannot use one person's experience, or even 10 people's experiences, to make a sweeping generalization about PS2 reliability. If all you're going to offer is anecdotal evidence, you're not going to prove anything.

4. I think we've found the REAL fanboy here, haven't we? :D

FS

[Kainan]

Originally posted by FlashStash
1. No one's talking about the PSX...not once have I brought up the PSX. We're talking about the PS2. No one's talking about polls here either, therfore the 'blah blah blah'...the topic you brought up about polls has nothing to do with this thread. We're talking about PS2 defects.

2. Let's say the defect rate on all video game systems is 1% and PS2's is 1%...why would you find a story on that? It's not news! Now if there were problems, as you and Gizmo claim, with the PS2, someone would have reported on it. No one has...why is that so hard for you to understand?

3. I'm getting a kick, and truthfully saddened by the fact, that you don't have the math or logic skills to see how you can't draw a conclusion from one Game Crazy store. You had a bunch of other people come on here and say they had no problems with their PS2. You cannot use one person's experience to make a sweeping generalization about PS2 reliability.

4. I think we've found the REAL fanboy here, haven't we? :D

FS

This gets better and better. First of all people HAVE brought the PSX all through this thread if you look back and I've personally had it in MY comments all along.
Second of all I bring the PSX up because it was KNOWN by the entire gaming community to have BIG problems yet there was no statistical data. This flies in the face of your argument for no data about the problems with the PS2. Why is this so difficult for you? Do I need to spoon feed you everything?

To your 3rd comment. I'm having a hard time with you generalizing that this is the ONLY game store and furthermroe the only person reporting that the PS2 has problems. You also just totally ignored my evidence with EB and the policy change due to faulty PS2 systems. This was from the manager of my local EB and they said the rule went out to all the EB stores. I'm pretty tight with them because I buy all of my hardware and games there. This was NOT something they were supposed to be telling as they were supposed to be giving out refurbs without even mentioning to people that it was a refurb. I'm not sure if it is still that way because that was 6 or 8 months ago. Anyway, you totally sweep the PSX under the rug and then you ignore this as well. As an analyst I would think you would be competent enough to try to look at the whole picture and not just one piece. ;) Nah, that isn't your style. :)

Ah, now to the 4th comment. Yep, we found you out a long time ago. I guess you are saying here that I don't have to do a poll or survey to prove it. That is what you are saying right? LOL! You strike me as a person following around a floating PS2 in his sleep.

[Kainan]

To be honest I didn't care much for this debate but once you called the other guy a bitch I figured I would run with it for the fun of it. Why don't you address the PSX issue like I've focused much of my complaint on (and others though you say it wasn't brought up)? I want to know why there are no statistics on this horribly faulty system. I mean, if something is bad then there just has to be a statistic!!! :P

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by Kainan
To be honest I didn't care much for this debate but once you called the other guy a bitch I figured I would run with it for the fun of it. Why don't you address the PSX issue like I've focused much of my complaint on (and others though you say it wasn't brought up)? I want to know why there are no statistics on this horribly faulty system. I mean, if something is bad then there just has to be a statistic!!! :P

Who did I call a bitch? I said...

"I am a statistics whore, and that kind of faulty analysis doesn't even qualify him as a bitch"

That's what this is all about?? Read the above v...e....r...y....s...l..o....w...l..y, and maybe you'll see how clueless you're being!

And I'm not addressing the PSX becuase Gizmo and I were talking about the PS2! My beef with him was about assuming all PS2 was defective because of his one store's experience. You incorrectly assume I called someone a name, and you can't even get the system right that we're discussing! Here's a cookie....

FS

[Kainan]

Originally posted by FlashStash
Who did I call a bitch? I said...

"I am a statistics whore, and that kind of faulty analysis doesn't even qualify him as a bitch"

That's what this is all about?? Read the above v...e....r...y....s...l..o....w...l..y, and maybe you'll see how clueless you're being!

And I'm not addressing the PSX becuase Gizmo and I were talking about the PS2! My beef with him was about assuming all PS2 was defective because of his one store's experience. You incorrectly assume I called someone a name, and you can't even get the system right that we're discussing! Here's a cookie....

FS

The sentence is derogatory to him and is actually worse than calling him a bitch. It also shows your character which is very unbecoming and hostile. You didn’t directly call him that but actually referred to him as LESS than a bitch. Is this supposed to make things better?
Once again you ignored my comments about the EB situation. Guess that doesn't fit into your small criteria to be included. LOL!

[The Franchise]

Hoo-boy! This thread is a riot! :)

Actually he's referring to statistics and saying that he is really into them and Gizmo is not. It's like saying he's a King and Gizmo is not even a prince meaning Gizmo doesn't use/like statistics. If it is derogatory it's moreso towards FlashStash than Gizmo.

Semantics aside, here is an article (http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/feature/pc/1002235/index3.shtml) where John Carmack talks about interface devices and says something similar to what I said in my last post about facial expression or body-english translating into a game.

[FlashStash]

Originally posted by The Franchise
Hoo-boy! This thread is a riot! :)

Actually he's referring to statistics and saying that he is really into them and Gizmo is not. It's like saying he's a King and Gizmo is not even a prince meaning Gizmo doesn't use/like statistics. If it is derogatory it's moreso towards FlashStash than Gizmo.

Semantics aside, here is an article (http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/feature/pc/1002235/index3.shtml) where John Carmack talks about interface devices and says something similar to what I said in my last post about facial expression or body-english translating into a game.

Franchise,

Thank you for the explanation...now I can go back to enjoying games on ALL of my perfectly functioning systems!

FS

[Kainan]

Originally posted by The Franchise
Hoo-boy! This thread is a riot! :)

Actually he's referring to statistics and saying that he is really into them and Gizmo is not. It's like saying he's a King and Gizmo is not even a prince meaning Gizmo doesn't use/like statistics. If it is derogatory it's moreso towards FlashStash than Gizmo.

Semantics aside, here is an article (http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/feature/pc/1002235/index3.shtml) where John Carmack talks about interface devices and says something similar to what I said in my last post about facial expression or body-english translating into a game.

Interesting article on Doom 3 and the thoughts they had in mind going in. I have to say that I'm honestly glad they didn't continue in that direction. Technology has come a long way but I just don't think gaming is ready for that yet. I think it would come across as a gimmick more than anything just like this camera and the maracas for the Sega Game (was Sega right?).

As far as the thing goes with Flash, the comment certainly seemed derogatory to me which goes right along with his style throughout this thread as I read back and he whipped out other cut down comments. The problem I find in most forums is people get down right angry when they hear something negative about something that they like. This goes for any console. I've been in debates in Xbox forums when I speak my mind about a game that I thought was horrible. In the end people just want to feel good about what they spent the hard earned money on. I don't know if that is the case here or not.

[Kainan]

Flash, I like how you addressed the EB situation AND the issue of PSX not having statistics despite its obvious problems that were known throughout the gaming community. Maybe you left these alone because you don't have anything to counter with. I mean I really really want to know why there are no statistics on the KNOWN to be faulty PSX. Then again maybe you will debate that hte PSX was perfect like you say the PS2 is.

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by Kainan
Flash, I like how you addressed the EB situation AND the issue of PSX not having statistics despite its obvious problems that were known throughout the gaming community. Maybe you left these alone because you don't have anything to counter with. I mean I really really want to know why there are no statistics on the KNOWN to be faulty PSX. Then again maybe you will debate that hte PSX was perfect like you say the PS2 is.

There is not enough statistical data to show that the PS2 has a higher failure rate than either the X-box or the GameCube, but there is not enough statistical data to show that it is the same as the X-box or GameCube. Because of the lack of statistical data, no conclusion can be reached as to the failure rate of the PS2. Basically, that means any comment about the quality of the PS2 is an opinion. This whole arguement was started by a threadcrap/console-bash by GizmoDVD, which is strongly frowned upon in this forum. At is was suggested earlier, if you want to discuss the quality of the PS2's hardware, go to IGN where such arguement is welcome.

[Kainan]

I apologize. I did not know that discussing the failure rate of a console in a discussion that was already started and brought to a FLAME by other posters was offensive even in this forum. I also did not know that bashing of other posters was OK in this forum. I've seen plenty in this single thread yet see nothing here about that problem. Is it ok to trash other posters in the forum? I would just like that clarified so I know how to participate with the rest of the gang in the same manner that they do with others. If immediately calling them a fanboy and bashing them for disliking a camera gadget is appropriate then I will remeber and do likewise to them in the other areas of the forum.

[The Franchise]

see if you guys had the eytoy you could show you were upset just by frowning at it. ;)

[cheapskate]

I think we all just need to relax with a nice game of Wishi Washi.....hmmmk? :p

[joshd2012]

Originally posted by Kainan
I apologize. I did not know that discussing the failure rate of a console in a discussion that was already started and brought to a FLAME by other posters was offensive even in this forum. I also did not know that bashing of other posters was OK in this forum. I've seen plenty in this single thread yet see nothing here about that problem. Is it ok to trash other posters in the forum? I would just like that clarified so I know how to participate with the rest of the gang in the same manner that they do with others. If immediately calling them a fanboy and bashing them for disliking a camera gadget is appropriate then I will remeber and do likewise to them in the other areas of the forum.

This was the second post of the day inwhich DVDGizmo was thread crapping. When he stated that the PS2 had a high fail rate and stating it as fact, he was console bashing. If he would have simply said, "in my opinion..." then we wouldn't have this problem, now would we? He was attacked for his continual bashing of Sony videogame products without factual proof. Bashing and Thread Crapping are not alloud here.

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by joshd2012
This was the second post of the day inwhich DVDGizmo was thread crapping. When he stated that the PS2 had a high fail rate and stating it as fact, he was console bashing. If he would have simply said, "in my opinion..." then we wouldn't have this problem, now would we? He was attacked for his continual bashing of Sony videogame products without factual proof. Bashing and Thread Crapping are not alloud here.

which is why were were challenging him since he was expressing his opinion as fact when it was not.


Does anyone have a link to any articles on the failure rate of the Playstation 1?

Mine worked till I got a PS2 and i gave it to my brother who is still using it. I guess i was just lucky or maybe I was under the mean failure rate of the hardware.

[namja]

GizmoDVD, you are thread crapping. Just about every post you made here is a thread crap. If you don't like the PS2, then stay away from any thread thas has anything to do with a PS2.

Kainan and FlashStash, your posts are unacceptable. Both of you are posting in derogatory manners to each another.

This thread has gone on long enough (too long). Please use Report this post to a moderator whenever you see threads going off like this. Closing thread.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums