X2 Discussion (WITH SPOILERS! Yee-ha!)) [merged]

[filmerp]

I'm not going to bog my post down with some review that dissects the movie because I'm not such a great writer on such a format. I did however think X2 was fantastic! I was pretty *eh* about the first X-Men film, considering it a good showcase for Wolverine's character but fairly light on plot. The sequel's got a much bigger feel to it. By far my favorite aspect it the fact that Wolverine actually uses those claws of his. It always annoyed me when PG-13 movies featured characters with swords, knives, guns etc. and never actually impale anyone, I.E. the 'Teenage Mutant Ninga Turtles.' Massive amounts of sword fighting/blocking and then... knock the guy out with a punch -rolleyes-

Thank you, Brian Singer, for actually showing me that yes, Wolverine's claws are not just for intimidation and slicing guns in half. Definitely the most pleasing event film for me in a long time, comic-book based or not. :thumbsup:

[Skank]

The perfect X-Men film! Everything I wanted the first one to be and more! Loved seeing Jean tap into the phoenix force!

[Giantrobo]

What I want to know is how the hell did that cat lick Wolverine's claws and NOT end up with sliced up tongue????


Also, did Storm cool Jean's body on the plane in the movie? She did in the book :drool:

[Skank]

When Wolvie retracts his claws you hear the cat cry out.

[NCMojo]

Pretty cool flick. If you're a fan of the comic book, you will LOVE the movie. Alan Cummings (Nightcrawler) really steals thej show. More characters, more villains, some pretty good FX and some excellent fight scenes. (Deathstrike vs. Wolverine is pretty intense.)

If I had to nitpick... maybe the movie is a bit slow in some parts? If you don't know the comioc book, I'm not sure if you'll understand the ending, where...

(Oh yeah, right, like I'm really going to friggin reveal the ending of the movie! Go buy a lousy ticket already.)

... but put it this way: the audience I saw the film with (a bunch of college-age proto-nerd MST3K wannabees) broke out into open cheering and applause at the end.

All told -- good film, fun film, lots of great performances -- maybe three, three and a half stars.

[F For Fake]

As a movie lover, I REALLY enjoyed it. The actors have really stepped up to the challenge of making these characters three dimensional. Particularly enjoyed Sir Ian as Magneto, Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler, and the suddenly omnipresent Brian Cox as Stryker. This flick made the first one seem like it was completely for the purpose of exposition, setting up the struggle. THIS is the real movie.

I thought the cinematography was nice (I love the cold look of the outside world contrasted with the warmth at Xavier's), the sound was inventive, and again, the performances above and beyond.

Now, as a lifelong X-Men geek: I @#$%ing LOOOOVED this movie! That's Nightcrawler running around and bamfing! I couldn't believe my eyes!!! If you're a longtime X-geek, I can't see how you'd possibly be disappointed.

[DonnachaOne]

Originally posted by F For Fake
... the suddenly omnipresent Brian Cox as Stryker.

If you can find the british magazine Hotdog at your local classy-magazines place, there's a really good interview with him in it (it's the one with Neo's head on the cover, all black-and-white except for the logo in green). It goes on a bit about the myriad films he's appeared in lately, and some amusing anecdotes too.

He finds it odd that the three principal characters in X2 happen to be British stage veterans...

[F For Fake]

Originally posted by DonnachaOne
If you can find the british magazine Hotdog at your local classy-magazines place, there's a really good interview with him in it (it's the one with Neo's head on the cover, all black-and-white except for the logo in green). It goes on a bit about the myriad films he's appeared in lately, and some amusing anecdotes too.

He finds it odd that the three principal characters in X2 happen to be British stage veterans...

I'm happy to see him so much!! Manhunter was one of my favorite movies when I was a teenager, but it seemed like I didn't see him a lot after that. Then suddenly I saw him again in "Rushmore", and now he's in every other movie I've seen. I LOOOVED him in "The 25th Hour". I think it's one of the best things he's done. Also really enjoyed him in X2, The Ring, etc

[mikehunt]

I just got back from it. I'd say this one was a little darker at points than the first one.
the opening with nightcrawler was awesome. cyclops' new visor was much better. the 'cameos' by some of the other mutants was also good.
and I guess logan was wrong about needing a few more years to get uniforms, rogue and iceman were both in the x-men suits at the end
as for the cat, it was probably licking the sides of the blades, and the nosie it made was probably more of shock than pain as the cat was fine a little later

[mdc3000]

I really loved the movie... it had some great action. I only had a few minor minor complaints.

First, why didn't Iceman try and FREEZE the water to save the plane?? Couldn't he have gotten out of the plane, froze kind of an ice wall around the plane so the water would pass them by, or he could have froze all the water while it was still dammed... oh well... also, I was upset they killed of Deathstrike...I thought she ruled...other than that, I was very pleased.

MATT

p.s. I don't care if she's blue...If I was wolverine, I'd have banged Mystique's brains out anyhow....

[lesterlong]

My only beef...all that impaling and no blood. I can believe a man can shoot ice through his hands, but all that slicing and dicing and not a drop of blood. Sorry, that's intolerable. :)

[Rocky_Stallone]

I'm going to see this movie tomorrow night, I can't wait.

I'm glad Alan Cummings is finally getting the recognition he deserves, he's such an underrated actor. :)

[mikehunt]

yeah, he could have frozen into after jean made the shape needed to deflect it, although that was a lot of water moving with a lot of force, might have been too much to freeze

[cineman]

I loved it. It's an action-packed comic book come to life.

I do think it is enjoyed more with a knowledge of the comic. The ending was great. Can't wait for #3.

[Ketamine]

I also thought this movie was very good with a few minor problems. Much much better than the first one. I think part of the end will be lost on a number of people without knowledge of the comic, but I'm sure it will be explained in the next movie. I highly recommend this movie.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by mikehunt
yeah, he could have frozen into after jean made the shape needed to deflect it, although that was a lot of water moving with a lot of force, might have been too much to freeze

I would guess too much water at this young stage of his power development. Not sure why Jean had to get out of the plane to get it to fly and why it worked fine after it was in the air without her help. I felt the ending was a little forced in order to get the dark phoenix angle going. Still, this is something to look forward to in the next one.

I wish Storm would learn to fly. Again, I guess she is just early in her power development.

I thought the action was great though like the first one, I wish they would back off the camera a little bit instead of the claustrophobic views that they gave us. Still, much better from this standpoint compared to the first.

I was hoping in the end that when they talked to the president, they were going to show him evidence of a secret government program (sentinels) that were being built that needed to be destroyed. Looking forward to X3 if it continues to improve as much as this one did. Overall I loved this film and it is my favorite comic book movie (with the original barely in the top 5).

[ChefWinduAZ]

Did anyone else notice Gambit's name (Remy Lebou - SP?) when Mystiques was going through the computer files? Also during one of the television interviews one of the panelists was Dr. Hank McCoy aka Beast.

[sho kosugi]

Much more action and (comic-book) brutality than the first, and suprisingly gives many answers to questions from X1. Thumbs up for me!

Also glad they fixed-up the X-Jet cockpit, I laugh everytime I watch X1 and see the computer Joystick I used to play X-wing!

[DaJosha]

In addition t the Beast and Gambit references, here were some I noticed:

-The kid with the lizard tongue at the beginning and end is named "Artie." Artie (along with Leech) were two Morlock children taken in by Generation X in the comic book.

-Jubilee again appeared in the movie with her hoop ear rings. This time I noticed she was even credited.

-The little red head girl with the sonic scream was an obvious nod to Siren.

-I believe I saw another X-Men character's real name in the computer with "Remy LeBeau".

Overall, I totally dug X2. Even though I am usually a calm, apathetic film snob most of the time, I actually cheered at every allusion to the Phoenix powers. I also thought that every character was dealt with well, aside from Cyclops who had little impact on the movie.

[Robert]

Does anyone know what music was playing during the opening with Nightcrawler? I have a feeling it isn't apart of John Ottman's score.

[Tyler_Durden]

I believe it's Mozart, but I'm not sure. (Wagner, perhaps? ;))

[shizawn]

Definitely enjoyed X2 more than the first one. The Nightcrawler in the White House scene was dope.

[JoeyOhhhh]

I liked this one alot more than the first.

Here's another reference:

When Mystique is looking for the cerebro file, there is a folder (I think, either that or a file) with the name Franklin Richards. He is the son of Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman.

[Daryl]

Fantastic movie! This film was a little darker than the first, and that was much appreciated.

The first five minutes did more for Nightcrawler than 25+ years of comics. And if not for another great Hugh Jackman performance (how long must we wait for a solo Wolverine movie??), Mystique would have stolen the show. My only minor quibble was the further emasculation of Cyclops - he was more whipped here than he is in the comics. I'm not asking him to be Wolverine, but at some point it would be nice if he was presented as the calm cool leader he usually is.

But again, I enjoyed this one much more than the first and can't wait to see it again.

[Mittman]

I've always liked the X-Men, but have never been up on the mythology. Could someone please explain the Phoenix stuff?

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Skank
When Wolvie retracts his claws you hear the cat cry out.


The shock was from the quick retraction not being cut. In the book he liked the cat because to him animals are WYSIWYG.

Unlike humans.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Mittman
I've always liked the X-Men, but have never been up on the mythology. Could someone please explain the Phoenix stuff?


we had a short discusion of this in the Book forum.


Some of us think it's the Next stage of Jean Grey's mutant evolution. I forget the other theories... :lol:

[theneobez]

Alot better than the original, but it still wasn't quite up to what I had hoped. A Great action film, but it confronted alot of questions that it created regarding the equality of mutants and humans. . .but it just ended in a violent spectacle. A minor flaw IMO though, as the action was damn good.

The only thing I hated was how the theatre was filled with 10 year olds who anounced it was their favorite film half-way through. Then the fart sounds began.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Ketamine
I would guess too much water at this young stage of his power development. Not sure why Jean had to get out of the plane to get it to fly and why it worked fine after it was in the air without her help. I felt the ending was a little forced in order to get the dark phoenix angle going. Still, this is something to look forward to in the next one.

I wish Storm would learn to fly. Again, I guess she is just early in her power development.

I thought the action was great though like the first one, I wish they would back off the camera a little bit instead of the claustrophobic views that they gave us. Still, much better from this standpoint compared to the first.

I was hoping in the end that when they talked to the president, they were going to show him evidence of a secret government program (sentinels) that were being built that needed to be destroyed. Looking forward to X3 if it continues to improve as much as this one did. Overall I loved this film and it is my favorite comic book movie (with the original barely in the top 5).



Storm flew in the X1. She floated up the elevator shaft in the Statue of Liberty and used lightning on Toad.

Perhaps they wrote it out in the movie but in the book when the plane was going down, they asked Storm to take who she could and fly them out to safety. But Magneto saved them before she could.

[MrN]

X2 was easily better than the original - bigger budget, same good cast, no need for big introductions and more action.

I give it a 7/10 which is pretty high on my scale.

My assorted notes (and nitpicks):

Wolverine is supposed to have heightened senses but couldn't detect that base? Ok....but overall he was much more in character - curious about his past and the toughest X-Man. I mean who else could walk away from a bullet in the head?

Very cool introduction of Nightcrawler and his powers are well visualized. I didn't envison that thats how a 'Bamf' sounded but this is probably easier on the ears.

Storm and Cyclops still very underused.

Too many acrobats - and perhaps too much duplication of powers. I didn't think Lady Deathstrike also had a healing factor.

Not sure what power Xavier was using by freezing time. At first I thought it was just telepathy and then it seemed like mass hypnosis but more likely it was just movie logic to fit the story.

The X-gang seemed to accept Magneto/Mystique rather quickly, granted they did stop the plan from crashing.

Lots of violence, very little blood but I guess thats the reality of the MPAA. The fighter pilots parachuting seemed very 'GI Joe.'

Some of the explanations seemed forced. Like pointing out the grip of Deathstrike and showing that Mystique was impersonating that guy. The comic fans already know this and it would have been better for the rest to be surprised or made for a better second viewing.

I wonder how much of the movie was left in the editing room. I would have liked to see more of Colossus and what he did with the rest of the kids - including Kitty Pryde.

The ending - Prof. X seemed a little too optimistic and the Phoenix thing had already been hammered in. So, now we know for sure what the story in the next film will be. I just hope they keep it Earth-based with allegories to real problems, and not go bouncing around space like the Phoenix storylines seem to do.

Like I said, better than the original. Should make a great DVD.

[MrN]

Originally posted by theneobez
but it confronted alot of questions that it created regarding the equality of mutants and humans. . .but it just ended in a violent spectacle.

I know what you mean. They do hint that the war between humans/mutants will actually end in a merging of the two but clearly not while there's still movies to be made.

It makes sense how they say that the mutant powers are on the X-chromosome. ;)

[RocShemp]

Just saw it today. Despite the fact that I loved it, am i the only one who thinks the movie should have been called X2: The Wrath Of Stryker? Cos that whole ending sequence was a thinly veiled clone of Spock's sacrifice, a hint at his return in the next movie AND Jean saying Xavier's monologue from the first movie at the end of X2 was just like Nimoy reading Shatner's Star Trek monologue at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn. Even her inflection reminded me of Nimoy's reading of the aforementioned Star Trek monologue.

Now this isn't a criticizm since I love Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn but I couldn't shake a familiar feeling towards the end of X2.

Still, can't wait 'til X3.

Also, though I hated Halle Berry in the first movie I actually liked her performance this time around. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind seeing her return for the third. And I hate Rebecca Rojmin-Stamos as Mystique in the first film but felt that here she proved she's right for the role.

Am I the only one who was hoping that when Logan pumped Deathstrike full of the adamantium she's suddenly snap out of her program sadly say "Logan?" with shocked recognition in her face just before she died? It would have left Logan questioning what he had just done even more as he seemed pretty unhappy (even upset it seemed) when he killed her off.

[ckolchak]

Originally posted by Mittman
I've always liked the X-Men, but have never been up on the mythology. Could someone please explain the Phoenix stuff?

in the comics, Jean sacrificed herself to save the group as they were re-entering the atmosphere in a shuttle from a space based adventure.
they landed in a large body of water.
it was assumed she'd died, but emerged shortly sporting a new costume and had christened herself Phoenix.
instead of killing her, the radiation she was exposed to increased her powers substantially, eventually making her almost god-like.
eventually all this power corrupted her and she became Dark Phoenix and commited suicide.


i stopped reading it a few years later, so i'm not sure how exactly they brought her back.
the phoenix/dark phoenix arc was one of the best i've ever read in any comic.
alot of intergalactic storylines though, so it will be interesting to see how they adapt /modify it for the films

[DVD Smurf]

It was a very good film...good transitions...good overall...good moral plot as well...I am waiting with putting a grade on it...I still must reflect over it a little more...but definitly worth every penny and more to see in the theater...pheonix...I got to love the ending...

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Storm flew in the X1. She floated up the elevator shaft in the Statue of Liberty and used lightning on Toad.

Perhaps they wrote it out in the movie but in the book when the plane was going down, they asked Storm to take who she could and fly them out to safety. But Magneto saved them before she could.

Yeah, I know she "flew" in the first one, but I want it to be something she does on a regular basis during a fight/rescue attempt. Only makes sense from a strategic standpoint and more in tune with her comic book character.

Another minor problem I had is that I wouldn't think that a bullet to the head would knock out Wolverine. OK, maybe stunned or something but not out for a few minutes. Again, minor problem. I still loved this movie. Best I have seen in a while.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Ketamine
Yeah, I know she "flew" in the first one, but I want it to be something she does on a regular basis during a fight/rescue attempt. Only makes sense from a strategic standpoint and more in tune with her comic book character.

Another minor problem I had is that I wouldn't think that a bullet to the head would knock out Wolverine. OK, maybe stunned or something but not out for a few minutes. Again, minor problem. I still loved this movie. Best I have seen in a while.

1. ok fair enough


2. Just like Bullet proof vest protect cops BUT STILL HURT. I would imagine a bullet to the SKULL...not just the helmet protecting a normal human... would knock one out assuming the skull resisted the force of the bullet right?

[Hannibal]

What was the significance of T.H. White's (sp?) book "The once and future king" Magneto was reading it and at the end the professor was extolling it. Random plug for one of Bryan Singer's favorites?


edit: found an Amazon quote that makes it seem like a book mutants would use in their learning I guess:
"This book by itself is very interesting, with a lot about knights, magic, and jousting, but the real message of the book is found under the layers of fancy armor. The Once and Future King is a book full of hidden meanings and messages about war, education, politics, and religion.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

ABSOLUTLY loved this movie seeing it again 5-3 (three times). I loved how Mystique had a beefed up role. At the midnight showing, people cheered for Colossus (Singer make notes). Deathstrike and Cyclops were underused, but oh well-only so much one can cram into a 2:15 movie. To a post that was stated eariler-yes, I'd seen Franklin Richards name on the computer scrren (next to the Cerebro file), Beast's cameo, Syrn's cameo (that's going to sound sweet on dvd), Gambit's, and Jubilee's-can't wait to freeze frame it on dvd to catch others. I really enjoyed Storm's beefed up role to-the tornados vs. the fighter jets rocked! The way they hinted at the Phoenix stroyline was sweet-hopefully, no outer space B.S. to ruin it in X3.
Made me forget about Matrix for awhile.

[Patman]

Spoilers below:

Okay, random thoughts on the film:

The Wolvie-Deathstrike fight was pretty comical in spots because only those characters (with skeletons laced with Adamantium and healing powers) could fight like that, you know, that Timex style of fighting: "Takes a licking and keeps on ticking". They were slashing and stabbing each other like there was no tomorrow. Too bad they gave Kelly Hu hardly any dialog (maybe one line to the janitor/Mystique).

I was hoping to see more of Peter/Colossus as well. He was looking like a beefed up T-1000.

Also, I wished they had introduced us to Kitty Pryde instead of just showing her as one of the scared students during the invasion by Stryker's force. One of the things I never understood about her power was how we was able to propel herself through solid objects if she becomes immaterial.

Nightcrawler's introduction was pretty awesome, fun stuff (thought it went on just a litttle too long to keep some of the mystery about him under the lid).

Nightcrawler's teleportation abilities is a screenwriter's wet dream in terms of getting around a "save" situation. But you have to wonder how he handles inertia when he teleports and intercepts people in motion, like Rogue out of the plane, and back into the plane.

It seems Halle Berry ditched the accent she tried to use in the first movie for the sequel. She was still pretty staid in this role.

Where was Cyclops? He was off-screen for quite a bit in this installment of the X-Men franchise. Probably just a case of the screenwriters wanting to go with the Prof. Logan and his "students" sequence. Marsten wasn't all that convincing as a man who lost his love. Actually Scott Summers would have sat down, looked down, and internalized alot of his anguish.

This is what I overheard as I walked out of the theater:

"I guess Jean (Grey) will be coming back as the Phoenix in the next movie, and she'll have longer, redder hair, and plenty of self-esteem." :d

Jubilee was also the Asian girl at the end of the film in Xavier's office as he talks to the students about the book that Magneto was earlier reading in his plastic cell.

Magneto's use of the injected iron from the guard's body was way cool. So was him popping the grenades on Stryker's squad of merry men. The screenwriters gave Magneto many of the good one-liners.

The screenwriters also had fun with Mystique's powers as well. I was pretty sure she was impersonating Jean in Wolvie's tent.

I still have no idea who that boy with the weird tongue is supposed to be, or what his power is.

I think I was the only one in the theater that got the Hank McCoy (Beast) cameo.

I did find myself cheated on "story" in this film (for its running time of 135 minutes), though. Some scenes just dragged on too long, and the transitional scenes felt like "dead air" on TV.

I was getting a little bored with the whole Stryker/Wolverine "I am your father" origin routine.

Since I was aware of Pyro's comic history, I knew he'd join up with Magneto and Mystique for their "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" gang eventually.

I would also like to see Rogue hurry up and absorb Ms. Marvel's powers so she can do some cool stuff, instead of just sitting around sucking the lifeforce out of mutants.

Someone needs to give Bobby (Iceboy) a body condom if he keeps on insisting to pursue Rogue.

I wasn't all that crazy about Prof. X's role in the story either.

[RocShemp]

Kurt saved John not Rogue. You see her IN the plane the whole time Kurt teleports out for the rescue. Either that or i was seeing things or the editor screwed up. I'm pretty sure it was neither (though I see why it would seem it was Rogue as she was fumbling with her harness when they were taking off in the jet).

[ChefWinduAZ]

Was Gambit in the film other than just as a name on the computer screen? I ask because on the imdb they list an actual actor as playing Gambit.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by RocShemp
Kurt saved John not Rogue. You see her IN the plane the whole time Kurt teleports out for the rescue. Either that or i was seeing things or the editor screwed up. I'm pretty sure it was neither (though I see why it would seem it was Rogue as she was fumbling with her harness when they were taking off in the jet).

Rogue was the one that Nightcrawler saved. As you put it, "her fumbling with the harness" is the first clue something was going to happen. Also she thanks him after they have landed.

[RocShemp]

Gambit's cameo was cut at the last minute. Most likely to cast a betterknown actor toportray him in X3 and/or to give him a more promintent role and intro in X3. Either scenario makes sense considering how excited fans got when they heard of this 20 second cameo. He'd be a big draw as a new recruit and a lead in the next X-Men film.

[nice_skis]

I loved the movie. I think it is maybe more action oriented than the first one and will get to be appreciated by more people for that.

I have a question about Phoenix in the movie. I remember at one point (during the scene at the museum I think) Cyclops tells Jean that she has been acting strangely since some incident occured. I guess that it was probably the moment the Phoenix entity entered her.

Sadly, my next row neighbour picked this moment to open a wrapper and I missed the end of the line where he said what this event was. Could somebody please tell me?

I know about the story in the comics where she was trying to save the X-Men while they were landing their spaceship but since the movie version seems to be more earthbound, I don't think they just went in space for the thrill of it.

[lesterlong]

Wanted to add. I think Cyclops has gotten all the screen time he needs. Especially after seeing Marsden's poor performance. And I really don't think there's any need for a stand-alone Wolvie movie. Both movies are carrying on Jackman's performances anyway. Overall it was pretty good.

[edstein]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Magneto's grenade pins scene was awsome, as well as the liquid iron in the blood. Very cool. I also loved Wolverine laying the smack down during the school battle. Nightcrawler stole the show. Excellent all around IMO.

[JoeyOhhhh]

Originally posted by RocShemp
Am I the only one who was hoping that when Logan pumped Deathstrike full of the adamantium she's suddenly snap out of her program sadly say "Logan?" with shocked recognition in her face just before she died? It would have left Logan questioning what he had just done even more as he seemed pretty unhappy (even upset it seemed) when he killed her off. I was thinking the same thing. You could tell he had a thought about it.

I just hope they don't bring her back. No way she could have survived that.

[RocShemp]

WWE Jedi,

I totally missed her thanking him. I stand corrected. Though in my defence there were plenty of distractions what with kids crying at the top of their lungs and some idiots who decided to open the emergency exit (and leave it open) cos they wanted to chat outside AND not miss the movie. All the daylight that flooded in made it damn near impossible to see anything.

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by nice_skis
I loved the movie. I think it is maybe more action oriented than the first one and will get to be appreciated by more people for that.

I have a question about Phoenix in the movie. I remember at one point (during the scene at the museum I think) Cyclops tells Jean that she has been acting strangely since some incident occured. I guess that it was probably the moment the Phoenix entity entered her.

Sadly, my next row neighbour picked this moment to open a wrapper and I missed the end of the line where he said what this event was. Could somebody please tell me?

I know about the story in the comics where she was trying to save the X-Men while they were landing their spaceship but since the movie version seems to be more earthbound, I don't think they just went in space for the thrill of it.

He was refering to the Liberty Island incident at the end of the first film. In the commentary included in X-Men 1.5 Singer notes that Magneto's machine does in fact affect mutants as it (unintentionaly) altered Jean Grey. That's why she's the first person you see when Wolverine busts up the machine to rescue Rogue.


Also, a poster called cpfh made the following comment in the X2 forum at the IMDB: "In the monitor ( everybody apparently noticed Remy Lebeau's name) there was an icon called Project Wideawake. this was the code name of the sentinel operation in the comics."

Sounds promising as I have a funny feeling the files the Professor showed the President at the end of the movie pertained to the Sentinels.

I just saw X2 for the first time today and I'm already anxious for X3 to get here already!

[RocShemp]

JoeyOhhhh,

I too hope they don't bring her back as that'd be way too hard to believe (all things considered) and it would be better if in the next film Logan just remembered who she was and what she once meant to him. That's a kind of guilt that would stay with him not matter what and would just be cheapened if they ressurected her.

That said for those that don't get why Jean got out of the jet, ifyou look carefully before she getsout she has a look like someone is telling her it has to be done and she agrees. I think she wanted/needed to "die" to be able to free the power growing within her since her current form was too weak a vessel to contain such power. It's as if she literally needed to be reborn. And I'm sure they'll explain away the name Phoenix in a way similar to what I'm thinking. Kind of how Kurt mentioned how he was known as the "Incredible Nightcrawler" in the Munich Circus. It's rather literal (as far as Phoenix is concerned) than just an arbitrary code name that sounds cool.

*edited to add: My first comment in this post refers to Logan killing Yuriko towards the end of the film.

[CaptainMarvel]

I really liked it. I'm gonna go see it again tomorrow with my future brother-in-law, so I can try and catch some of the references.

People laughed in my theater at Scott's big sorrow scene (in the Blackbird).

This wouldn't be a post about a comic book movie if I didn't find something nitpicky to gripe about. Let me think... ok. Nightcrawler shouldn't have been able to teleport as much as he does in the opening sequence. He must have teleported 50 times... in the comic, teleporting tires him out extremely quickly (or it used to, anyway).

[Souljahh]

Great flick.

I've never read the comics but I'm really interested in the whole X-men Mythology. Can someone point me to a site that sums up each character or something? I'm sure a site like this exists.

I'm particularly interested in the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing.

[db27]

Originally posted by Souljahh
Great flick.

I've never read the comics but I'm really interested in the whole X-men Mythology. Can someone point me to a site that sums up each character or something? I'm sure a site like this exists.

I'm particularly interested in the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing.
i was going to ask the same thing. i loved this movie and would really like to gain some more x men knowledge, so that i can rewatch it, and then no more for X3.

thanks!

[RocShemp]

To be honest I liked Cyclops' tear jerker scene as it was cool to see both him and Logan distraught over Jean's death and how Logan was a defeatist and Scott wanted to hope against hope and yet you could tell he agreed with Logan though he'd never admit to it.

I think it was also nice when Logan told Scoth that Jean loved him and not Logan.

I know a lot of fans gripe over the changes Scott has undergone in the film versus his comic book persona but I like them. I always felt he was a stick in the mud in the comics and was very happy when they killed him off. (He's still dead in the comics, right?) Anyone who's seen Bella Mafia knows Marsden is a good actor but that visor.... The eyes are on of the greatest (if not THE greatest) tools an actor has at his/her disposal. When you play a character like Cyclops you lose that vital tool and it's hard to emote well. (That's why in the movies Batman has eyes even though in the comics they are whited out.)

[Tom Banjo]

I loved it. I thought it was better than the original, and overall one of the best comic movies so far.
I do have one small, anal nit-pick: It kinda bugged me that Logan can apparently make any machine work the way he wants it to by sticking a claw in the circuits. He did it to Cyclops' car and later to close off the tunnel before the water could get in.

[mikehunt]

cyclops did have a funny look on his face when he started crying
something about the way his mouth was reminded me of one of the looks Stiffler had during his "f you" face when he was puking and the guy asked him how the pale ale was in american pie

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by Souljahh
Great flick.

I've never read the comics but I'm really interested in the whole X-men Mythology. Can someone point me to a site that sums up each character or something? I'm sure a site like this exists.

I'm particularly interested in the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing.

Here's a start.

http://www.stormloader.com/feedback/xmenahistory.html

[Souljahh]

Originally posted by Ketamine
Here's a start.

http://www.stormloader.com/feedback/xmenahistory.html

Excellent. This is perfect. Thank you!

[RichC2]

I liked. a lot.

Opening fight was one of the coolest I've seen. CGI-Fu done right.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by Souljahh
Great flick.

I've never read the comics but I'm really interested in the whole X-men Mythology. Can someone point me to a site that sums up each character or something? I'm sure a site like this exists.

I'm particularly interested in the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix thing.

Here is another.

http://24.191.192.76:8000/

[UKingdom]

Loved the film, thought the storytelling was great and the actors were fantastic. I have a slight gripe with the film though, and that was the very poorly edited Wolvie / Deathstrike sequence; everything was too closeup and rapid to see what was going on; all you see is quick cuts, loud screams, and cries of anguish. Granted, it maybe trying to mimick the comic type of action and we've been seeing too many Hong Kong pull back the camera type of action lately, but still, I think it could have been much better edited, and I found this particular scene very choppy. A lot of people at the showing shared the sentiments, although I will say it's a very ferocious scene.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by Ketamine
Here's a start.

http://www.stormloader.com/feedback/xmenahistory.html

I thank you as well. I have missed so much in the years since I have stopped collecting the comics.

[Rogue588]

damn. two pages already. well, allow me some thoughts/comments/criticism..*


Nightcrawler's Intro: :up: Great way to start the flick. Alan Cumming NAILED the role. Comic Geek Nitpick: Kurt BAMF'd WAY too much. He would've been physically drained each time he BAMFs. Possible story explanation: Stryker's control drug helped boost his ability or numbed his pain..

Siege At the Mansion: :up::up: Wolvie was rippin' sh*t and takin names. Plenty of character cameos.

Mutants, Mutants, Mutants:

Colossus: :up: BUT...he's Russian. From what I heard, there was an absence of any sort of accent...i'll have to see it again to confirm...

Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat/Sprite: I guess since Rogue's assumed Kitty's role as Logan's ward, there isn't much for her to do...but it was good to see her.

Jubilee: Ok. I know she's young...but man did she look hot. Hopefully she'll have more to do in X3.

Artie [the little kid with the tongue in the museum]: Eh. Not the way he looks in the comic and no Leech. Next..

Nudge, Nudge..Wink, Wink..: I loved the subtle comic references throughout the movie..Henry on the TV, the computer screen with LOTS of names.. I am SO GLAD they didn't constantly hit us over the head with the whole "See, you should like this movie cuz we're familiar with the history of the characters and decided to show it by bashing you over the head with our knowledge.." like Daredevil did.

Deathstrike: Kelly Hu is :drool:..but something about her in that grey business suit..:drool:-other-:drool: Also, her fight with Wolvie bothered me. She was slave to Stryker's control. I realize that she was trying to kill Logan, but it still kinda bugged me. Perhaps if they hadn't shown Stryker upping her dose it wouldn't have bothered me..Sorry to see her go..

Jean: I'm surprised they "killed" her. I thought they'd just allude to the Phoenix and explore it fully in X3. Guess not.

the rest: Jackman kicked ass again. If only he was shorter. As much as I loved his performance as Wolverine, I hope they think twice about a solo flick..Disappointed about Rogue's screentime/things she had to do. Hopefully she'll be meeting up with Carol Danvers soon.. Liked Iceman & Pyro...It bothered me that whenever Jean or whoever talked about Ororo, they called her "Storm". They never once used her name. That said..

Storm/Halle: I have, from the moment I heard she was going to be playing Storm, said it should be Angela Bassett. This movie doesn't change that opinion. Someone in another thread mentioned her not having much to work with [the notorious "lightning/Toad" line mentioned..]. I would've possibly taken that into account if not for this flick. The delivery of that line to Nightcrawler when they were in Cerebro about "it getting cold" was just wrong. It wasn't the line. It was her delivery. But...i'm digressing. If she has no interest in doing X3, maybe Angela will replace her? Fingers crossed.

All in all, it kicked MUCH ass -- 9 out of 10.

* [Apologies to those who have stated similar sentiments...]

[Giles]

Originally posted by ncmojo
Pretty cool flick. If you're a fan of the comic book, you will LOVE the movie. Alan Cummings (Nightcrawler) really steals the show.

how very true. In one scene literally everyone was like "Woah! (applause broke out). This movie really surprised me, since I really didn't care for the first movie.

[gcribbs]

I really enjoyed the movie and loved the action scenes.

I might actually see it again :)

[johnglass]

Rogue588, you left a pretty big plot point in your post above (namely the ending) without spoiler tags. I realize the thread title says *spoilers* but most others have kept that little fact a secret thus far.

Loved the movie, my only nitpick is when Mystique comes into the tent as Jean and starts sucking face with Wolverine. He should have been able to smell that it wasn't her, similar to the way he did in the first movie, when she was morphed as Storm and he gutted her.

[johnglass]

Originally posted by RocShemp
I know a lot of fans gripe over the changes Scott has undergone in the film versus his comic book persona but I like them. I always felt he was a stick in the mud in the comics and was very happy when they killed him off. (He's still dead in the comics, right?)

They killed Cyclops off in the comics? I don't remember that, although I haven't read X-men in years.

[Rogue588]

Originally posted by johnglass
Rogue588, you left a pretty big plot point in your post above (namely the ending) without spoiler tags. I realize the thread title says *spoilers* but most others have kept that little fact a secret thus far.:hscratch: I'm confused...since the thread title says "WITH SPOILERS!" it means we NEED to use spoiler tags??

And, yes they "killed" off Cyclops in the comics. But they brought him back.."harder/colder" than he was before. Well, that lasted for a little while. [Or at least for 5 writers..-rolleyes-]

[johnglass]

Originally posted by Rogue588
:hscratch: I'm confused...since the thread title says "WITH SPOILERS!" it means we NEED to use spoiler tags??

Nope, my bad. There are so many different X-men threads going on here, I thought that everyone was keeping the ending in spoiler tags in this one as well.

As you were... :blush:

[karnblack]

Originally posted by Robert
Does anyone know what music was playing during the opening with Nightcrawler? I have a feeling it isn't apart of John Ottman's score.

It sounded like the Dies Irae from Mozart's Requiem.

[Tyler_Durden]

Originally posted by MrN
It makes sense how they say that the mutant powers are on the X-chromosome. ;) Actually, women have only X chromosomes, whereas men, said in the movie to carry the mutant gene, have both X and Y chromosomes.

Another thing: during the (admittedly amazing) Wolverine-Deathstrike fight, there came a moment when they were locked against one another in a steely embrace of death, claws buried deep into each others' bodies, and I couldn't help thinking that they should stop fighting and get married. Assuming that they both find the adamantium claws/spikes a turn-on, imagine the kind of kinky S&M sex they could have, what with the healing powers and all! :eek:

[filmerp]

Originally posted by johnglass

Loved the movie, my only nitpick is when Mystique comes into the tent as Jean and starts sucking face with Wolverine. He should have been able to smell that it wasn't her, similar to the way he did in the first movie, when she was morphed as Storm and he gutted her.

I'd let this slide, attributing it to Wolverine's enormous case of sexual fustration. He didn't have much time to sniff about as Mystique/Jean was ready to jump on him without question. C'mon, put yourself in the man's shoes!

[filmerp]

After aquainting myself breifly with the Phoenix storyline of the comic, I wonder now if the film's opening shot flying through space was a direct reference to the Phoenix force? If you recall, there was a celestial being that appeared out of the stars which seemed quite out of place to me for just a fancy title sequence. Thoughts from Phoenix officianos?

[Rogue588]

Originally posted by karnblack
It sounded like the Dies Irae from Mozart's Requiem. Mozart was playing in Magneto's cell too..Originally posted by filmerp
I'd let this slide, attributing it to Wolverine's enormous case of sexual fustration. He didn't have much time to sniff about as Mystique/Jean was ready to jump on him without question. C'mon, put yourself in the man's shoes! How would you explain away him missing the underground HQ at the beginning..?

[DarkestPhoenix]

Originally posted by Mittman
I've always liked the X-Men, but have never been up on the mythology. Could someone please explain the Phoenix stuff?

Finally, a Phoenix question!!!

First, however, I would like to address the topic currently on everyone's mind...Wolverine. When Mystique comes into the tent in Jean's clothing, Logan says something to the effect of, "Look..." or "Wait a minute..." I can't remember, but to me, he sounded annoyed, like he was upset 'cuz he was being played. When a hottie wants to make out, I wouldn't say no, so I can understand his 'position'. This is in line with the comic, too, IMHO, because he did bed down with Mystique in the comic once. Here, though, she was too much the sex freak, and he was visibly upset by the underage innuendo. If she woulda been straight with him instead of trying to be someone she wasn't, I think he would have done the deed.

Also, I've never known Wolverine to have radar senses that can detect underground facilities, and seeing as how the 'actual' enterance was a ways away, I can see how he might not find it.

On to the Phoenix. I'd like some feedback here, but I have a hypothesis about this movie.

Much like the Ultimate X-Men series, this movie seemed to be a modern-day interpretation of the Phoenix storyline. MANY similarities...just my thoughts here, if anyone has anything additional to add, please do, as I just saw the movie once, yesterday.

Both the comic book version and the movie have the Phoenix force being triggered by radiation...I didn't pick this up, but if that was Singer's intention at the end of the first movie, so be it. Cyclops says since that event, Jean has been different...more subdued in a power sense? While the Hellfire Club in the CB is a group of power-hungry mutants, the main antagonist in the movie is a group of soldiers in a power-hungry government agency.

The Phoenix Saga had a great scene in which Wolverine pretty much single-handedly takes out the foot soldiers of the Hellfire Club. The mansion fight scenes seemed to be a nod to that story; some of the 'kills' were remarkably similar. I may be mistaken, but I thought there was a story about Soldier 143...a recap of those events from a soldier's POV. Anyone else remember this??? I thought that was interesting, since one of the bad guys in the movie was Jason 143, who was a composite, I believe, of said soldier and Jason Wyndgarde, AKA Mastermind. Mastermind helped to turn Phoenix to evil by creating illusionary worlds which could 'trick' people into doing things they would not normally do, much like the Movie's Jason did with Xavier. Mastermind also is extremely appalling to look at, just like the movie's Jason.

Jean sacrifices herself for her teammates to save the ship they are in, in both stories. I think she left the ship so that she would be 'grounded', able to keep the water 'at bay', so to speak, and levitate the ship. She obviously hasn't mastered flying yet, so I think controlling a force (the water) of that magnitude while airborne is a problem for her. What I don't know, is why. If you look closely in the final scene, you can almost see a glowing Phoenix under the water; foreshadowing at it's best. I would not be surprised if, at the end of the next movie, we see "Jean" resurrected, beginning the Dark Phoenix story arc.

I agree with the idea that Jean was incapable of harnessing the power, as well. You could see many instances in the movie where she lost control of it, the deflection of Scott's optic blasts resonates in my memory. That may also be cause for her death.

I would expect to see Sentinels in the next movie, with Jean's resurgence at the end, as stated.

************************************************

Additional thoughts on the movie:

This movie kicked so much a$$. This movie did for the original what Empire did for Star Wars: ANH, IMO. Defined it, much as I thought it might. From the opening scene to the closing credits, it ruled...(Although I had hoped for a little something 'extra' at the end... ;) I got chewed out for staying by some woman who wanted the lights turned on. She was a raving b!tch..."Who stays to watch the credits? What a freak!" I was, needless to say, the only one who did so, and she was PO'd. I wanted to say, "Who comes to a theatre with so much ***** that they could actually lose something?" But...I digress.)

All the Magneto naysayers were wrong, I think. McKellan's performance was awesome. The 'iron extraction' scene was my favorite in the movie, and it was incredible to watch the instant change in his demeanor. From docile captive to all-powerful demi-god in a split second. Truly incredible. Who thought marbles were so deadly??? I loved it, I truly did.

I also loved his punny line, "When will these people learn to fly?" How true, on so many levels. I believe it was the writers poking fun at themselves, as well, since Storm, Rogue and Jean are floating femmes in the CB.

Anything Phoenix related gets my stamp of approval, naturally. :p

Wolverine getting to kill some mofo's...awesome!

Deathstrike, regardless of how you feel about it, can easily be brought back...she was a cyborg in the comics, after all. Machine your way around the adamantium. I, too, however, wanted a surprised Logan to say, as her face returned to normal, "Yuriko?!?"

So much more I could say, but I'm out of time. Guard, 'n all..

BOTTOM LINE: Best comic book movie to date!!!

[Tyler_Durden]

I have a few questions.

1. What was the reason some kind of gas was passed into Magneto's cell when Mystique came to help him escape? Was this to incapacitate Xavier (and, unavoidably, Magneto at the same time)?

2. Where did all the other students go?

3. Why did Stryker need to create his own Cerebro if he had already taken over Xavier's school? (Secrecy, perhaps?)

4. Why did Magneto have to suffle the "files" in Stryker's Cerebro to get Xavier to kill all the humans instead of the mutants? Why couldn't he simply tell Xavier (through Jason) to concentrate on humans (which he then did anyway)?

5. How in the hell can they convince the public that Senator Kelly is still alive? Aren't his family and/or friends going to wonder where he is most of the time?

[filmerp]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
I have a few questions.

1. What was the reason some kind of gas was passed into Magneto's cell when Mystique came to help him escape? Was this to incapacitate Xavier (and, unavoidably, Magneto at the same time)?


I believe you're confusing the sequence of events. Those were two seperate scenes. When the gas is pumped into the cell, it was Deathstrike that walks in with the plastic gun in order to incapacitate Cyclopse and kidnap both he and the ProfX. Mystique helps Magneto escape by injecting the guard with iron but never comes to the cell itself.

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden

4. Why did Magneto have to suffle the "files" in Stryker's Cerebro to get Xavier to kill all the humans instead of the mutants? Why couldn't he simply tell Xavier (through Jason) to concentrate on humans (which he then did anyway)?


Jean said that Magento "reversed" Cerebro to target humans, so I assume since C2 was made only to target mutants originally, there were only enough tiles in place to focus on them, leaving many spaces incomplete. I'd imagine the ProfX's psychic ability is enhanced by Cerebro by a certain arrangement of metal shielding around him. Of course, I didn't build the thing nor am I an architect of Cerebro chambers, so I'll just take Jean's word for it.

[filmerp]

Originally posted by Rogue588
Mozart was playing in Magneto's cell too..

Which reminds me, did anyone else think of Hannibal Lecter's escape when this scene started like this? Guard walks in with a tray of food as the prisoner listens to classical music...

Originally posted by Rogue588

How would you explain away him missing the underground HQ at the beginning..?

Wolverine's got some good hearing/smelling abilities, but he's not psychic. I don't know what he could have smelled that would lead him underground, nor heard anything that didn't sound like the workings of a dam.

[Dr. DVD]

Saw it last night and thought it kicked ass! :thumbsup: Everyone else has pretty much said what I think, so I don't need to gush too much. This movie really is what comic book sequels, are all about; you have the characters established, now actually tell a story with them in it.
While I do not know if someone else has mentioned this yet, I am quite surprised that this movie got a PG-13 rating. While not that violent by some standards, it really had a fair amount of bloodshed for a movie targeted primarily at teens. Not that I mind. I really was pleased that Singer chose to remain faithful to the Wolverine character by having him go around and actually killing the bad guys as opposed to having him do a bunch of fancy stuff that just knocked them out or left them weaponless.
Also, I agree with Harry Knowles in his comment that Aaron Stanford (Pyro) would have made a great Anakin Skywalker. He really sold the character and while not appropriate to do so, I did do a little marking out when he began to literally flame the cops.
My only gripe: Lady Deathstrike being little more than a puppet for Stryker. One way they could get around it is that both she and Logan were part of the same project and might have had their previous relationship erased. In fact, when they were entangled and Logan was looking into her eyes, I thought he was going to remember her. Oh well, no reason to go that far with it now IMO. It was still a great movie aside from that, and loved the way you could see the Phoenix through the water at the end!
A big :thumbsup: from a comic book lover.

[Tyler_Durden]

Originally posted by filmerp
I believe you're confusing the sequence of events. Those were two seperate scenes. When the gas is pumped into the cell, it was Deathstrike that walks in with the plastic gun in order to incapacitate Cyclopse and kidnap both he and the ProfX. You're right, I seem to have forgotten about this. I was thinking it was Mystique disguised as Deathstrike, but it was just my mind playing tricks on me. :) I guess it was the cutting away from the scene to another one that confused me. I guess the reason Deathstrike didn't take Magneto with her is that he's all but impossible to imprison...

[silentbob007]

I liked some of the little throw away scenes, such as Magneto tuanting Rogue. It was just beautiful when Rogue ripped off her glove and started after him.

[theneobez]

Great movie, flawed, but enjoyable.

[Robert]

Originally posted by karnblack
It sounded like the Dies Irae from Mozart's Requiem.

Thanks.

[Get Me Coffee]

Overall it is a great movie! You can easily say it's better than X1! Wolverine in this one is such a bad ass! Great job! I wonder when X3 will come around?

[cactusoly]

My only observaton / gripe. Kitty was a teenager in X-men (she phased through the door after Wolverine interupted Prof X's class). In X2 she was much younger. The only explaination for continuity I can think of is that mutant who phased through the bed was another mutant, not Kitty since they never called her by name.

Regardless, I thought it was the best comic movie ever.

[johnglass]

Originally posted by cactusoly
My only observaton / gripe. Kitty was a teenager in X-men (she phased through the door after Wolverine interupted Prof X's class). In X2 she was much younger. The only explaination for continuity I can think of is that mutant who phased through the bed was another mutant, not Kitty since they never called her by name.

Regardless, I thought it was the best comic movie ever.

That scene happened so fast I really don't recall what the actress looked like, although I did check on IMDB and the actress Katie Stuart, who plays Kitty Pryde, is 18 years old.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

This is nitpicking for the sake of a conversation. But doesn't it bother you that Wolverine's villians-Sabretooth and Deathstrike-were wasted? Granted I heard ST will be back for X3 & X4 (that's what Tyler Mane said to Wizard), but I wish Logan and the villians would reconize each other. I mean, ST and Logan were both in the Weapon X program together, while Deathstrike was his girlfriend prior to Weapon X. Oh well.
Anyone else think X2 will be the film all other CB movie sequels will be judged by?
Blade II and Batman Returns was excellent, but this took the first film and made it 10x better-what a sequel should do.
Spider-man 2 has its work cut out for it...

[Amator]

One nitpick... why would Deathstryke use a plastic gun to subdue Cyclops in Magneto's prison? After all, she has an adamantium skeleton that Magneto could control just like he controlled Wolverine in X1.

I'd let this slide, attributing it to Wolverine's enormous case of sexual fustration. He didn't have much time to sniff about as Mystique/Jean was ready to jump on him without question. C'mon, put yourself in the man's shoes!

Not only that, but when Wolverine sniffed Mystique in X1, he was on full alert during a tactical ops mission. Here he was going to sleep in a tent surrounded by his friends.

I really enjoyed this film. It was nice to see Colussus, hopefully he'll have more to do in the next one. Nightcrawler rocked! An eariler poster got it right(IMHO) when he said that Nightcrawler could teleport so many times in the beginning because Stryker was pushing him through the mind control serum. When Cyclops tells Jean about when he was controlled he says it was like looking through his own eyes but not being able to do anything. I'm sure Stryker probably pushed poor Kurt to the brink of his stamina, as afterall, he was sort of a suicide "bomber".

[Jack_Savage]

Yeah berry didnt even go to the premier. Someone made a joke a while back about the x cast now having to put up with oscar halle. Didnt anna paquin win an oscar for the piano? IMO she was the best actress in the films.

The guys all semed to get in character, but berry and femke in the first one didnt approach the roles, although im glad femke did in the second one, but still not by much.

PEACE OUT

[sinister]

wolverine should of picked up the scents of the humans outside the base, same with the mansion, he should of knew they were on the grounds before they entered the mansion. and where is the famous mansion security that should of hit the soldiers with a dozen defense modes. but that's nitpicking. nightcrawler doesn't get tired from bamfing too much, he get's tired when he bamfs multiple subjects. when he bamfs the whole team in the comics he gets drained. hopefully the third will finally have the danger room. Fox should give singer a blank check on the next one cause it will make it back easily.

[jarofclay73]

I really like Storm and Nightcrawler's little discussion about righteous anger and faith. Really deep for this kind of summer flick. The religious theme for Nightcrawler also developed a spirituality about the film.

[Iron Chef]

it was OK

[MrN]

Originally posted by filmerp


Wolverine's got some good hearing/smelling abilities, but he's not psychic. I don't know what he could have smelled that would lead him underground, nor heard anything that didn't sound like the workings of a dam.

The people going in and out of the dam were doing so in a conventional fashion (tire tracks, helipad) so he should have smelt something in the air, especially if this place was supposedly abandoned for a few years.

:blush: on the chromosome thing.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Now I am starting to get confused here. I thought that where Wolverine was in the beginning of the film and the dam where the climatic battle took place, were two different locations?

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by WWE Jedi
Now I am starting to get confused here. I thought that where Wolverine was in the beginning of the film and the dam where the climatic battle took place, were two different locations?

It turned out to be the same. That was a major plot point in trying to find out where Stryker's base is.

[MrN]

Originally posted by Jack_Savage


The guys all semed to get in character, but berry and femke in the first one didnt approach the roles, although im glad femke did in the second one, but still not by much.




Actually a few critics seem to be citing Famke Janssen's performance.

J Hoberman: Famke Janssen brings near lunatic conviction to the role of the agonized telekinetic telepath Jean Grey.

Roger Ebert: I also admired the scene where Dr. Jean Grey saves the X-Men's airplane, and the way Janssen brings drama to the exercise of Grey's power instead of just switching it on and off.


The X-Men, other than being a teenage power fantasy, is supposed to be about the characters using their powers for good but their powers also come at a price and right now only Jean Grey, Wolverine and Rogue seem to be experiencing this.

[majorjoe23]

People have been comparing this to Empire Strikes Back, but no one has mentioned the great homage to the "I like nice men," Leia and Han scene with the "Girls flirt with the dangerous guys, and marry the nice ones" scene in this movie. Both even come when they're trying to repair their ships.

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by MrN
The X-Men, other than being a teenage power fantasy, is supposed to be about the characters using their powers for good but their powers also come at a price and right now only Jean Grey, Wolverine and Rogue seem to be experiencing this.

Well, obviously Iceman is also affected since his estrangement from his family and the fact that he can't touch Rogue for very long.

Cyclops is affected bythe loss of Jean Grey and also the fact that someone could take control of him and use his powers in evil ways.

After Storm's talk with Nightcrawler, I sense there's an internal struggle in Storm--balancing her anger of being set apart from the world with trying to make peace with the world. But Nightcrawler said it best that she needs faith.

Nightcrawler is at odds with his "sins." And Professor X is being haunted by his past with his nemeses Stryker and Magneto.

[Breakfast with Girls]

Originally posted by Rogue588
Nightcrawler's Intro: :up: Great way to start the flick. Alan Cumming NAILED the role. Comic Geek Nitpick: Kurt BAMF'd WAY too much. He would've been physically drained each time he BAMFs. Possible story explanation: Stryker's control drug helped boost his ability or numbed his pain..[/b]

I was thinking the same thing re: his rapid teleporting, but I also explained it away as him being under mind control.

[Dr. DVD]

I won't put on spoiler tags as almost everyone has seen the movie here.

While it didn't happen, it would have been enough to please me if Lady Deathstrike had just said the words "Logan" with a degree of sadness to Wolverine before she died. It could have worked if you think about it. Deathstrike was under the control of Stryker, and Wolvie obviously had no memory of his past. Having her do something like that after having her real self come back would have added so much more without having to do anything.

[einTier]

Originally posted by JoeyOhhhh
I was thinking the same thing. You could tell he had a thought about it.

I just hope they don't bring her back. No way she could have survived that.

I was wondering if she actually could. We all know that Wolverine's healing capability is nearly limitless. I was thinking, wouldn't it suck if she was pumped full of adamantium, turning her into a giant statue, but it didn't actually kill her.

Now, if we continue on this thought line, we know that Magneto can at least somewhat manipulate 'frozen' adamantium, because he actually removes Wolverine's adamantium skeleton in the comic book. By Striker's definition, that should be impossible.

However, it is possible that Striker doesn't know about Magneto's ability to manipulate adamantium, and what he said was the truth as far as he knew it. So, if we assume that Deathstryke is still alive, but frozen, and Magneto can manipulate the adamantium frozen in her body, it's quite simple for her to come back.

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
I guess the reason Deathstrike didn't take Magneto with her is that he's all but impossible to imprison...

Deathstryke didn't take Magneto because there wasn't a good reason to do. Styker had all the information he needed, he just needed Professor X to run the Cerebro machine. It would also probably be a bit difficult to explain where Magneto is when he disappears, but only a few people know that Professor X and Cyclops are visiting.

To answer someone else's question regarding the shuffling of tiles in Cerebro 2, it's possible that Stryker engineered the new cerebro to be incapable of targeting humans as an added safety measure. If Charles figured out what was going on while he was still hooked up to Cerebro, it would have been a simple matter for him to kill Stryker and his whole team.

My only problem with this movie was this:

Why hadn't Magneto used the iron in someone's blood before the pivotal scene? Assuming the guard was about 250 pounds, he should have had about half a gram of iron in his body, which while far from a lot, should still be enough for Magneto to do some real damage. Of course, I wondered about this in the last movie, because in the comic, he has knocked people out and levitated them through the iron in their body. Oh well, made for a waaaay cool scene.

Everything else I can pretty much explain away.

[Dr. DVD]

one other minor gripe: why didn't Mystique just copy the guard and go into the stronghold herself? Made for a cool scene, but just a little nit-pick.

Also:were mutants not allowed in the cell with Magneto? I noticed they let Professor X in but not Cyclops, and of course nobody in the people world knows Xavier is a mutant.

I think a man of the guard's size needed more than the average amount of iron to be levitated like he was, but I have no idea how Magneto knew Mystique had done the deed when she did.

[Breakfast with Girls]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
I think a man of the guard's size needed more than the average amount of iron to be levitated like he was, but I have no idea how Magneto knew Mystique had done the deed when she did.

He is the master of magnetism. He is very aware of the magnetic fields around him and if they change, even subtly.

[matome]

God, this movie rocked! I don't read comics, so I wasn't familiar with any of the characters and only saw the original <i>X-Men</i> after being dragged to it by friends. I was hooked after that and have been looking forward to this since then. This was definitely better than the first. My simple highlights:

1) Nightcrawler had the coolest FX since bullet time

2) the Magneto escape scene was kick-ass.

3) Wolverine-Deathstrike battle :thumbsup::thumbsup:

4) I liked the fact the Wolverine actually killed people, instead of "subdueing" them, where we have to get a cut shot of the victim groggily getting up and groaning :rolleyes:.

Will be seeing this a few more times before <i>The Matrix</i> comes out and I'm already looking forward to <i>X3!</i>

[einTier]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
one other minor gripe: why didn't Mystique just copy the guard and go into the stronghold herself? Made for a cool scene, but just a little nit-pick.

Also:were mutants not allowed in the cell with Magneto? I noticed they let Professor X in but not Cyclops, and of course nobody in the people world knows Xavier is a mutant.

I think a man of the guard's size needed more than the average amount of iron to be levitated like he was, but I have no idea how Magneto knew Mystique had done the deed when she did.

As Mystique, she wouldn't have been able to bring the iron in with her. If she had brought the iron in as pellets, they would have been detected. If she injected it and brought it in that way, getting out would be somewhat painful -- and she would have placed her life at risk.

I don't think it matters. Mutants aren't well liked, and even the guard who comments on Cyclops' 'sunglasses' doesn't seem to realize that Cyclops is a mutant. So, it would be difficult for someone like Toad or Sabretooth to get to Magneto, and as we've already discussed, if you do get in to see him, how are you going to break him out? Bringing metal in is somewhat more difficult than getting in there as a mutant.

Magneto was also probably more attuned to the presence of metal since he's been away from it for so long. It would be like being in a dark box for months on end and someone turning on an almost dead flashlight. It would still seem impossibly bright to you.

[ckolchak]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
I won't put on spoiler tags as almost everyone has seen the movie here.

While it didn't happen, it would have been enough to please me if Lady Deathstrike had just said the words "Logan" with a degree of sadness to Wolverine before she died. It could have worked if you think about it. Deathstrike was under the control of Stryker, and Wolvie obviously had no memory of his past. Having her do something like that after having her real self come back would have added so much more without having to do anything.

i bailed out on the comics in the mid 80's and was never familiar with this character.
and after the film i'm still not familiar with her.
sh was a complete cypher. i agree with you though.
if they had shot one little C/U of her saying just one word, and found a reaction shot of Logan, that would have been a superb payoff to that fight scene (which i didn't think was all that hot due to the editing).
even not knowing who she was, after that i would have been "what the hell...i got to find out what her character is really all about", but coming out of the movie, i could really care less.

love to see them shoot that little insert shot for the dvd though...that would make the disc a little more special.
doubt it will happen though.

[B.A.]

Wow! Unbelievable film that really blew me away. X2 was much, much better than I thought it would be. ****1/2 out of *****

-loved the Nightcrawler intro. Alan Cumming was excellent - glad that they had him speaking in German most of the movie.

-liked the subtle hints that they gave in regards to Jean and the Phoenix force. I thought Famke was great in this role - better than the original film.

-loved seeing Jubilee, Kitty Pryde and Colossus (my only gripe was that he lacked his Russkie accent). I wish they would show Jubilee's abilities like they have w/ Kitty and Peter.

-I thought Iceman and Pyro were very well done, particularly Pyro. Aaron Stanford did a commendable job w/ the role. His breakout scene at Iceman's home was killer.

-when are our lovely X-ladies going to fly? Hope Rogue gets suped-up in the next film. I still enjoy her character, but she will be a much greater part of the team w/ the addition of her flying and strength.

-Halle wasn't that bad, but she wasn't good enough where she will be missed.

-Mystique was much better in this film.

-would have been nice to have a little more backstory to Lady Deathstryke, but I will get over it. Her fight w/ Logan, though tightly shot, was still excellent.

-good to see Marsden's screen time limited. He did a good job, but his character isn't juicy enough to warrant much more story-time. Wish they would bring in his brother, Alex/Havok, sometime during the series - much better character, imo.

And of course Wolverine kicked ass. Hugh Jackman is so perfect in this role, there is no need to elaborate. Though I wanted a stand-alone Logan flick before I saw this, I don't think they need it now because he is the central character of these films anyway. He is the heart that keeps them going. His raging fight-scene at the school was unbelievable. Though it lacked the necessary bloodshed, I want to applaud Singer for giving us the Logan we didn't get to see in the first film - the cold-blooded killer.

I loved it - can't wait to see it again. I am going to make my wife watch X-men, then I am going to take her to see this because I think she will actually like it.

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
I won't put on spoiler tags as almost everyone has seen the movie here.

While it didn't happen, it would have been enough to please me if Lady Deathstrike had just said the words "Logan" with a degree of sadness to Wolverine before she died. It could have worked if you think about it. Deathstrike was under the control of Stryker, and Wolvie obviously had no memory of his past. Having her do something like that after having her real self come back would have added so much more without having to do anything.

I'm glad to see that more than one person agrees with my point of view on this matter (which I posted earlier). In fact it almost seemed as if this bit was filmed and then cut at the last minute. Maybe it's just my imagination but when she looked at him just before she died, they both shared this momentary look of mutual recognition. It's as if he remembered her for just the faintest moment and I expected her to say his name just before she died.

Maybe Singer could include a slightly longer cut of the movie in the DVD bundled with the theatrical cut. I fso, it'd be great if he used seemless branching rather than that crappy extended branching used in both releases of the first X-Men on DVD.

Regardless, it's a film I can't wait to purchase and I cannot stress enough how anxious I am to see X3.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

Everyone says how cool thw Wolvie/Deathstrike fight was or how cool the Magneto escape was, but I really like the plane sequence. I love how Storm dropped fifty tornadoes how those fighter jets. When I saw Rogue flip out, I couldn't believe my eyes-holy sh** I didn't see that coming! Then Nightcrawler saved her-totaly blew me away (please have DTS on the DVD!).
I also like when Mystique got captured in the tunnel and Stryker reconized it was her. All those flips and to slid out fliping them off-sweet!
I second the person who said they liked those "throw away" scenes-like when Magneto commented on Rogue's hair and when Magneto said "When will these people learn how to fly". Nice!

[Zodiac_Speaking]

Anyone else notice the Omega Red file, when Mystique was printing off the Cerebro file? It's there. The little things one notices when you've seen the movie 3 times (midnight showing, Fri, & Sat.)!!

[mikehunt]

I think with the doors he simply shorted out the mechanism by clawing it
and with the car he just broke the loking mechanism on the starter, similar to T1 when Kyle breaks the key area with the shotgun butt and is then able to turn it and it starts

Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I loved it. I thought it was better than the original, and overall one of the best comic movies so far.
I do have one small, anal nit-pick: It kinda bugged me that Logan can apparently make any machine work the way he wants it to by sticking a claw in the circuits. He did it to Cyclops' car and later to close off the tunnel before the water could get in.

[mikehunt]

I was hoping the real senator kelly would come back as some sort of water mutant who could take human form or turn into liquid
because remember how they told magneto he was dead and magneto said something like "are you sure you saw what you think you saw" in the first one

[NCMojo]

A few "answers" to some questions, IMO:

Originally posted by lesterlong
My only beef...all that impaling and no blood. I can believe a man can shoot ice through his hands, but all that slicing and dicing and not a drop of blood. Sorry, that's intolerable. :) What, you didn't follow the OJ Simpson case?

Originally posted by Ketamine
Another minor problem I had is that I wouldn't think that a bullet to the head would knock out Wolverine. OK, maybe stunned or something but not out for a few minutes. Again, minor problem. I still loved this movie. Best I have seen in a while. Concussions are caused by the brain being shaken. If you take a bullet to the head, it would cause your brain to resemble scrambled eggs. I think we can forgive Logan for being a little bit stunned...

Originally posted by johnglass
Loved the movie, my only nitpick is when Mystique comes into the tent as Jean and starts sucking face with Wolverine. He should have been able to smell that it wasn't her, similar to the way he did in the first movie, when she was morphed as Storm and he gutted her. I believe if you look closely, I think you'll see Mystique spritz herself with a bottle of Jean Grey's perfume...

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
2. Where did all the other students go? The Real Cancun???

3. Why did Stryker need to create his own Cerebro if he had already taken over Xavier's school? (Secrecy, perhaps?)Umm... I think he took Cerebro from the school and moved it to his base. Right?

5. How in the hell can they convince the public that Senator Kelly is still alive? Aren't his family and/or friends going to wonder where he is most of the time? I guess he's constantly off on the campaign trail? Or maybe nobody in his family realized what had happened since politicians are all so "two-faced" anyway...

[smokedragon]

Holy ****!

I tell ya, I was not expecting X2 to be anything but a sequel, ie, okay,but below par with X-Men.

My expectations were low.

It is so ****ing fantastic to be wrong!

This movie rocked!

I was actually shocked when Logan killed people. I knew he was a cold blooded kilin' machine, but, I was thinking that he'd be watered down for the masses.

Nightcrawler was awesome! Loved hearing him speak in German.

And, Siren, whoo! She sure won't be getting any lovers when she grows up!

"If anybody comes to the door, shoot them, even if it's me." Loved that line. And I thought that Brian did a tremendous job as Stryker.

Magneto pulling out the grenade pins. Wicked!

I tell ya, I CANNOT wait for the DVD!

As someone who has not read the Wolvie comics, I was not aware that Deathstrike was his girlfriend. I think I did see some recognition in his eyes as she died. Have to see it again to make sure.

Damn good movie.

Now, can Matrix reloaded be better than the Matrix?

Well, my expectations are low...

[RJainMJ]

Like everyone else so far, I loved the movie:
-- So many great scenes. I think the opening Nightcrawler scene was my favorite. I think they did his character flawlessly in the movie.
-- the scene where Pyro kills the cops is badass
-- Magneto removing the iron that Mystique injected into the cop was incredible. As someone else mentioned, his quick transition from a helpless prisoner into a God figure was cool.


A few gripes:

-- My biggest problem with the film is the fact they are already going to move into the Phoenix saga. I was hoping for an entire series of X-Men films, but I was informed that the Phoenix saga is rather later in the comics and is one of the more interesting storylines of the X-Men comic series. I'm assuming it was chosen for film because of this reason. I guess it makes me paranoid they are looking at a limited number of films and wanted to put out the most interesting stuff while they can. Of course, if the movies do well in the box office, there should be more...

-- What's with Rogue? I thought her hair was the way it was in the film because of a fight with Miss Marvel, in which she obtained her flying powers. That's way too nitpicky and it isn't the hair that bothers me, but the fact she can't fly and doesn't have superstrength yet, making her one of the weakest mutants in the movie.

-- As someone else mentioned, what's with the time stopping?

--I thought the final shot was a little weak. I suppose they are a little unsure of where they want to go with the next movie, so they avoided a shot of a fiery Phoenix and instead just placed a shadow in the water.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by ncmojo
Concussions are caused by the brain being shaken. If you take a bullet to the head, it would cause your brain to resemble scrambled eggs. I think we can forgive Logan for being a little bit stunned...

Right, if I took a bullet to the head, I would at least be stunned, but this is Wolverine we are talking about with his rapid healing power. I would think that while a normal person would be out for a few minutes from a strong blow to the head(which is basically what happened since the bullet wouldn't go through his skull), then I think Wolverine would only be down a second or two if at all due to his powers. Small issue and I think the way they did it was possible, I just think all of us want Wolverine to be 100% badass who wouldn't go down by a bullet to the head. I think they just wanted a reason to show off Pyro's power and the dark side of his personality.

[schizopak]

Originally posted by RJainMJ


-- What's with Rogue? I thought her hair was the way it was in the film because of a fight with Miss Marvel, in which she obtained her flying powers. That's way too nitpicky and it isn't the hair that bothers me, but the fact she can't fly and doesn't have superstrength yet, making her one of the weakest mutants in the movie.

-- As someone else mentioned, what's with the time stopping?

--I thought the final shot was a little weak. I suppose they are a little unsure of where they want to go with the next movie, so they avoided a shot of a fiery Phoenix and instead just placed a shadow in the water.

Well as you pointed out Rogue gets her power (strength and flying) by basically completely sucking out Miss Marvel's powers and thus making them permanantly hers. She's young in this movie and has yet had the chance to kill another mutant. Her hair was explained by the trauma of what happened in the first movie. I always thought that it would be cool if Rogue turned evil. She would be like Highlander or something. She could kill all these mutants, take their powers, and become some sort of uber mutant. :D

The time stopping confused me. I just figured it was just Charles mentally freezing everyone temporarily. Of course this doesn't explain stopping the cameras and dimming lights but oh well.

As to the final shot, I sort of liked the phoenix shadow. This leaves most people feeling that Jean Gray actually dies while the comic fans can appreciate this little hint as to the next movie.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by RJainMJ
A few gripes:

-- As someone else mentioned, what's with the time stopping?



There is no time stopping. Prof X is only controlling the minds of the people in the area. If you listen, the first time it happens, one person was talking on the phone and the person on the other end is still trying to talk to the person who was "stopped" by Xavier. Also, news on TV was still going so there was no stop in time.

In the end, Storm shorted out the power to the camera so that nobody at home could see what was happening in the Oval office. Only the people in the room were "stopped" while the rest of the world continued on as in the first example. Again, Prof X was freezing them in place by taking control of their minds, not stopping time.

[TheBigHead]

I liked it!

[TheBigHead]

Did anyone else notice how much the end of X2 ripped off the end of Star Trek 2??


SPOILERS
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Spock Sacrifices himself for his ship and crew.
Jean Grey Sacrifices herself for her ship and crew.

then

All is sad when Spock dies.
All is sad when Jean dies.

then

Leader Kirk says some words to give audience hope.
Leader Professor X says some words to give audience hope.

then go right to

Shot of outer space and all we hear is Spock's voice giving the opening monologue speech from the T.V. shows and then the music burst into the final end credits.
Shot of endless water and all we hear is Jean Grey's voice giving opening monologue speech of first X-men film and then the music burst into the final end credits.

We all know Spock will be back.
We all Know Jean will be back. ----- But as Phoenix.


Hell you can even compare Brian Cox and Khan.

Stryker is a former acquaintance Professor X.
Khan is a former acquaintance of Kirk.

Stryker blames Professor X for the death of his wife and wants revenge.
Khan blames Kirk for the death of his wife and wants revenge.

Strykers wife gets a drill in her head.
Khans wife gets a space bug in her head .

Stryker is a genetic engineer.
Khan was Genetically Engineered.

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End Spoiler


Guess they should have called it X-Men 2 the Wrath of Stryker .

P.S. None of this ruined my enjoyment of the film. But I really did half expect to hear James Horner's music when the end credits started to role.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by RJainMJ

A few gripes:

-- My biggest problem with the film is the fact they are already going to move into the Phoenix saga. I was hoping for an entire series of X-Men films, but I was informed that the Phoenix saga is rather later in the comics and is one of the more interesting storylines of the X-Men comic series. I'm assuming it was chosen for film because of this reason. I guess it makes me paranoid they are looking at a limited number of films and wanted to put out the most interesting stuff while they can. Of course, if the movies do well in the box office, there should be more...

-- What's with Rogue? I thought her hair was the way it was in the film because of a fight with Miss Marvel, in which she obtained her flying powers. That's way too nitpicky and it isn't the hair that bothers me, but the fact she can't fly and doesn't have superstrength yet, making her one of the weakest mutants in the movie.

--I thought the final shot was a little weak. I suppose they are a little unsure of where they want to go with the next movie, so they avoided a shot of a fiery Phoenix and instead just placed a shadow in the water.

I think it is possible that they won't bring back Jean until X4 or later. This would go along with the report that Famke Janssen isn't coming back for the next one. That doesn't mean that she wouldn't be back for a fourth movie. That would push the Phoenix saga back a little bit and allow for another story line or two. As for the ending being weak, I think it worked well. The fans already know what the deal is. The non-fans may have a problem with the "loose end" of the possibility of Jean being alive or something else going on at the bottom of the lake; that is why they made to clue hardly noticable. Just from what we know from the film, there is no way they would be able to piece the clues together b/c the just don't have enough info. This way, they don't know that there is possibly more the this story and they won't know until it is all explained to them in the next movie that they explore the Phoenix issue. If non-fans think that she is really dead, then this also frees them up to go elsewhere for X3 instead of having to jump right to what happened to her. Kind of wordy explanation and I repeated myself a few times but I think you get the idea.

As for Rogue, it is obvious that a number of characters have strayed from their comic book origin. While I really would like to see the Rogue that we know from the comics, either it is not going to happen or they are going to have to make some changes in her origin in order to give her Ms. Marvel's powers.

[UKingdom]

LOL, cool post; while I've never seen Star Trek 2, if all the above is true the similarities are quite uncanny (pardon the pun). I've heard many people draw such comparisons as well; oh well, most teens and audiences will have never seen Star Trek 2 anyways, and I do think that much of the similarities are also coincidence.

[BigDaddy]

Originally posted by RocShemp
Just saw it today. Despite the fact that I loved it, am i the only one who thinks the movie should have been called X2: The Wrath Of Stryker? Cos that whole ending sequence was a thinly veiled clone of Spock's sacrifice, a hint at his return in the next movie AND Jean saying Xavier's monologue from the first movie at the end of X2 was just like Nimoy reading Shatner's Star Trek monologue at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn. Even her inflection reminded me of Nimoy's reading of the aforementioned Star Trek monologue.

Now this isn't a criticizm since I love Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn but I couldn't shake a familiar feeling towards the end of X2.

Still, can't wait 'til X3.

Also, though I hated Halle Berry in the first movie I actually liked her performance this time around. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind seeing her return for the third. And I hate Rebecca Rojmin-Stamos as Mystique in the first film but felt that here she proved she's right for the role.

Am I the only one who was hoping that when Logan pumped Deathstrike full of the adamantium she's suddenly snap out of her program sadly say "Logan?" with shocked recognition in her face just before she died? It would have left Logan questioning what he had just done even more as he seemed pretty unhappy (even upset it seemed) when he killed her off.


http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=289418

[TheBigHead]

Well I guess I am not the only one:).

[TheBigHead]

Originally posted by RocShemp
Just saw it today. Despite the fact that I loved it, am i the only one who thinks the movie should have been called X2: The Wrath Of Stryker? Cos that whole ending sequence was a thinly veiled clone of Spock's sacrifice, a hint at his return in the next movie AND Jean saying Xavier's monologue from the first movie at the end of X2 was just like Nimoy reading Shatner's Star Trek monologue at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn. Even her inflection reminded me of Nimoy's reading of the aforementioned Star Trek monologue.

Now this isn't a criticizm since I love Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn but I couldn't shake a familiar feeling towards the end of X2.

Still, can't wait 'til X3.

Also, though I hated Halle Berry in the first movie I actually liked her performance this time around. I hate to say this but I wouldn't mind seeing her return for the third. And I hate Rebecca Rojmin-Stamos as Mystique in the first film but felt that here she proved she's right for the role.

Am I the only one who was hoping that when Logan pumped Deathstrike full of the adamantium she's suddenly snap out of her program sadly say "Logan?" with shocked recognition in her face just before she died? It would have left Logan questioning what he had just done even more as he seemed pretty unhappy (even upset it seemed) when he killed her off.



RocShemp - You are not the only one. I mad another thread about this without seeing yours then someone pointed it out.

My Post

Did anyone else notice how much the end of X2 ripped off the end of Star Trek 2??


SPOILERS
*
*
*
*

Spock Sacrifices himself for his ship and crew.
Jean Grey Sacrifices herself for her ship and crew.

then

All is sad when Spock dies.
All is sad when Jean dies.

then

Leader Kirk says some words to give audience hope.
Leader Professor X says some words to give audience hope.

then go right to

Shot of outer space and all we hear is Spock's voice giving the opening monologue speech from the T.V. shows and then the music burst into the final end credits.
Shot of endless water and all we hear is Jean Grey's voice giving opening monologue speech of first X-men film and then the music burst into the final end credits.

We all know Spock will be back.
We all Know Jean will be back. ----- But as Phoenix.


Hell you can even compare Brian Cox and Khan.

Stryker is a former acquaintance Professor X.
Khan is a former acquaintance of Kirk.

Stryker blames Professor X for the death of his wife and wants revenge.
Khan blames Kirk for the death of his wife and wants revenge.

Strykers wife gets a drill in her head.
Khans wife gets a space bug in her head .

Stryker is a genetic engineer.
Khan was Genetically Engineered.

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End Spoiler


Guess they should have called it X-Men 2 the Wrath of Stryker .

P.S. None of this ruined my enjoyment of the film. But I really did half expect to hear James Horner's music when the end credits started to role.

[Rocky_Stallone]

I just saw this movie last night and I thought this was an amazing movie!!!

I loved the fact how this movie concentrated on the science fiction genre more than the first one. Bryan Singer had said on the commentary of X-Men 1.5 dvd that the X-Men is nothing but strictly science fiction and I agree. Bryan Singer really showed that X-Men was sci-fi in the second movie.

The Superman movies w/Christopher Reeve are sci-fi films as well.

My new favorite character is Nightcrawler, Alan Cummings did a fine job in the movie and I enjoy his acting in other movies too.

I had never read the X-Men comics in my entire life but I understood the whole movie 100%, the story was pretty easy to follow to me.

Excellent excellent excellent movie and I'll definitely be looking forward to the third one. I'm sure the writers will find a way to bring Jean Grey back because Famke Jansen is signed on to the 3rd one as well. :)

[lisadoris]

One of those rare occassions when the sequel is better than the original. The intro with Nightcrawler was just awesome and I had a major oh sh*t moment when Rogue got sucked out of the plane.

Didn't understand the time stopping thing but reading this thread has cleared that up for me.

There were only a couple of giggles when Hank McCoy came up on the screen - happily I wasn't the only one that got it and I never read the comic books. Missed all of the nods when Mystique hacks the computer but I'll see it again next week and look carefully.

Great way to start the summer movie season.

[uncle markie]

Great movie, a definite improvement over the original (which I also liked alot). The opening sequence with Nightcrawler was amazing. Also loved the attack of the school and how Wolverine dispatched the invaders. Can't wait for X3 to see more of Collossus. The brief glimspe of his powers was not enough.

Go see it now!

[Dr. DVD]

Nice to see us all agree that this film is great! Now if only we could all agree that DareDevil was a piece of crap compared to both this film and every other recent comic book movie made.

[CaptainMarvel]

Well, it was just as good the second time. The only time where it seems to bog down a little is the escape from the dam. Other than that, it's a roller coaster ride.

I saw the Omega Red file as well. And on the screen where we saw Gambit's name, there were a whole list of other names as well (such as Dr. Moira McTaggert... whose island could provide an interesting setting in the future).

I can't wait for the DVD, so I can go screen by screen.

[PacMan2006]

Maybe I missed the connection in the film, but why was Cyclops trying to kill Jean Grey again?

Also, I don't really want to wade through 6 or so pages in this topic...can someone just briefly describe why/how Jean Grey can come back as a character named Phoenix?

Besides her killer touch, doesn't Rogue have the capability to evenutally fly and have super strength like in the cartoon? Was she not like this in the comics?

And, any chance we'll see Gambit in the future sequels?

[candyrocket786]

I thought Pyro’s transition to the dark side was much more believable than that of Anakin Skywalker's. And most of all, his transition wasn’t even the focus of the film.

I loved the liquid iron escape… The whole sequence reminded me of how in the comics Magneto ripped Wolverine’s adamantium from his body. Hell, maybe that was Singer’s intention for the entire sequence.

The thing that pissed me off the most, was how we were teased with Colossus’ appearance. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hopefully in X3 we’ll see
- Gambit
- Sentinels
- More Colossus
- Iceman/ Pyro Duel


I think I may see it again on May 15 :D

[fumanstan]

Originally posted by PacMan2006
Maybe I missed the connection in the film, but why was Cyclops trying to kill Jean Grey again?

He was injected by Stryker... same thing he used on Deathstrike and on Nightcrawler to control them. It was very brief, but they showed a quick shot of Cyclops' neck and it had the round circle.

Also, I don't really want to wade through 6 or so pages in this topic...can someone just briefly describe why/how Jean Grey can come back as a character named Phoenix?

Because she was 'possessed' by another entity or her powers were enhanced by the events in the first movie. Kind of depends on where the writers decide to take it.

Besides her killer touch, doesn't Rogue have the capability to evenutally fly and have super strength like in the cartoon? Was she not like this in the comics?

She gained those powers by hanging on to Ms. Marvel so long that she permanently took those powers. She starts out with only the power to steal other mutant powers.

And, any chance we'll see Gambit in the future sequels?

Maybe.

[fumanstan]

Oh, and as for my own thoughts... i enjoyed the movie although i actually expected a lot more action from all the reviews i've heard. Nightcrawler was awesome... although only in the first scene. Afterwards there wasn't really any action with him except for saving people. The 'time freezing' confused everyone in the theater at first... i realized what was going on pretty quickly but i doubt very many others did. Colossus was awesome... no russian accent was dissapointing. I wouldn't be surprised if one appeared in the next one. Storm's accent was gone, which was kind of weird in terms of continuity since i liked how the second movie picks up right after the first. I can definatly see myself spending an evening watching both flicks.

Cyclops was trash... they should have at least made him fight Deathstrike a little better. Jean was good, Famke did a great job this time around. I want to see Iceman change his full body into Ice... that would interesting. I'm glad they found some way for Rogue to use her powers. Wolverine killing people surprised just about everyone. That was amazing. Pyro was negligable, although they're obviously building up for a larger role for him next time around. I liked Mystique more in this one, although i hate the way she fights, flipping around like that. Hated that in the first movie as well.

All in all... good movie. I felt there were a lot of slow moments and it wasn't the 'rollercoaster ride' that a lot of people say it is. But maybe i read too much hype. One thing i was hoping for was more cameos, especially when Xavier was explaining to Wolverine about Cerebro. I think they could have changed the effects so that you could clearly make out people and threw in a bunch more random mutants that some people would recognize :)

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by fumanstan
Oh, and as for my own thoughts... i enjoyed the movie although i actually expected a lot more action from all the reviews i've heard. Nightcrawler was awesome... although only in the first scene. Afterwards there wasn't really any action with him except for saving people.

Who cares if there wasn't any action with Nightcrawler, that's not important IMO.

Alan Cumming did such a great job playing the character as he is one of the greatest underrated actors in the history of filming IMO. It just pains me to see that most people only liked Nightcrawler just for the begginning of the movie, and not pay any attention to his fantastic acting.

As a matter of fact, Nightcrawler having a lot of action in this movie wasn't needed, that's what Nightcrawler's job was in the X-Men group was to help save people like you said, that's why I think Nightcrawler didn't do much fighting. That fighting segment with Nightcrawler in the begginning at the White House scene, that was just an introduction of what the character can do.

[BuckeyeDawg]

I thought it was funny that the pilots ejected out of their planes into a bunch of tornadoes. Hmm, yeah, ok...

:D

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by TheBigHead
Did anyone else notice how much the end of X2 ripped off the end of Star Trek 2??


SPOILERS
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Spock Sacrifices himself for his ship and crew.
Jean Grey Sacrifices herself for her ship and crew.

then

All is sad when Spock dies.
All is sad when Jean dies.

then

Leader Kirk says some words to give audience hope.
Leader Professor X says some words to give audience hope.

then go right to

Shot of outer space and all we hear is Spock's voice giving the opening monologue speech from the T.V. shows and then the music burst into the final end credits.
Shot of endless water and all we hear is Jean Grey's voice giving opening monologue speech of first X-men film and then the music burst into the final end credits.

We all know Spock will be back.
We all Know Jean will be back. ----- But as Phoenix.


Hell you can even compare Brian Cox and Khan.

Stryker is a former acquaintance Professor X.
Khan is a former acquaintance of Kirk.

Stryker blames Professor X for the death of his wife and wants revenge.
Khan blames Kirk for the death of his wife and wants revenge.

Strykers wife gets a drill in her head.
Khans wife gets a space bug in her head .

Stryker is a genetic engineer.
Khan was Genetically Engineered.

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End Spoiler


Guess they should have called it X-Men 2 the Wrath of Stryker .

P.S. None of this ruined my enjoyment of the film. But I really did half expect to hear James Horner's music when the end credits started to role.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Give this man a medal! :D I'm really glad to see more people noticed all the Wrath of Khan similarities in X2.

I found that rather than detract of my enjoyment of the film these similarities actually helped enhance it as it payed homage to one of the greatest Start Trek films ever.

[Patman]

Here's the list of actors that are not contractually bound for X3:

Jackman (Wolverine)
Stewart (Prof. X)
Marsden (Cyclops)
Berry (Storm)
McKellan (Magneto)

Those that are under contract for X3:

Janssen (Jean Grey)
Romijn-Stamos (Mystique)
Cumming (Nightscrawler)
Paquin (Rogue)
Stanford (Pyro)
Ashmore (Iceman)

Looks like re-negotiations will make X3 more expensive than the $100 million budget for X2...

[Snowmaker]

Originally posted by johnglass
Loved the movie, my only nitpick is when Mystique comes into the tent as Jean and starts sucking face with Wolverine. He should have been able to smell that it wasn't her, similar to the way he did in the first movie, when she was morphed as Storm and he gutted her. Being as hot for Jean as he was, I'd think his "second brain" told him to trust his eyes rather than his nose. :D

[Patman]

Pretty much, Wolvie's senses got overriden by the "Schwing/Snikt" in his pants...

[KingSmoth]

X2 completely blew me away - I was very underwhelmed when I saw the trailer a while back, and was not looking forward to seeing this at all. Then I recently caught "First Look" or whatever on HBO before heading to work one morning, and was instantly hooked. Best comic movie I've seen, and I can't wait for more.

- Hugh Jackman :up: :up: I can't say enough about how awesome his performance was.
- Alan Cumming :up: :up: I didn't understand why so many people were hyped about NightCrawler, until I saw the intro. Definitely one of my favorite scenes in the movie.
- I want to see more Colossus - his scene in the house invasion rocked!

The theater I saw this at (1am opening night) was completely packed - I believe there is seating for 388, and pretty much every seat was filled. The theater erupted when the soldiers invaded the house and Wolverine went psycho; lots of people standing up clapping and cheering, shouting "HELL YEAH!", etc. There were lots of fanboy moments, like seeing Gambits name on the monitor, seeing McCoy on the news, and the Phoenix in the water at the end.
I'm going to go see this movie a few more times while it's in theaters - going back tonight actually.

[Snowmaker]

What I can't seem to find an answer for is how come the metal detector detected a problem with the injected guard at first, but then said everything was OK?

[DVD Mike2]

Any truth to the rumers that Singer has a really bad power ego? With this ego he likes to show off who is boss on and off the sets. If so, it would be interesting to see if they can sign Jackman and Stewart for the third flick.

Thoughts?

[DVD Mike2]

Originally posted by Snowmaker
What I can't seem to find an answer for is how come the metal detector detected a problem with the injected guard at first, but then said everything was OK?

Snowmaker, maybe the iron got a little thick in one part of his body and the scanner detected it. The next heartbeat or his movement moved the blood around more spreading it out so the machine said it was ok.

Just a guess......

[Rocky_Stallone]

Although I'll have to agree that introduction of Nightcrawler at the White House kicked ass, but does anyone even care about Alan Cumming's acting besides that one scene?

[DVD007]

Originally posted by MrN


Not sure what power Xavier was using by freezing time. At first I thought it was just telepathy and then it seemed like mass hypnosis but more likely it was just movie logic to fit the story.

Like I said, better than the original. Should make a great DVD.

Xavier did not freeze time, he just just shut down the minds of those in that room or the museum. This was proven when in the museum the radio was still on, or the walkie talkie was on and you could hear a mother asking for her child.

I also agree that it was better than the original and the DVD should be Sweet!!!

Bruce

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by DVD Mike2
Any truth to the rumers that Singer has a really bad power ego? With this ego he likes to show off who is boss on and off the sets. If so, it would be interesting to see if they can sign Jackman and Stewart for the third flick.

Thoughts?

Read this (http://us.imdb.com/WN?20021204#3) and you decide.

By the way, Bryan Singer, Kelly Hu and X2 screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris are going to be at the University of Hawaii Campus Center Ballroom this Friday at 6 p.m. in an open forum for the university's Cinematic and Digital Arts program.

I'm going to go and I'll post here how it goes. I'm going to try to get autographs as well.

EDIT: I just checked my work schedule and I can't go! Dammit....

[sinister]

jackman did verbally commit to another one and he should do more because singer made him. the only one i'm concerned about is halle berry because she would want a biiger chunk of money to do another. even though she doesn't deserve it.

[Get Me Coffee]

It's safe to say Berry is not returning to X3 ;)

[Rocky_Stallone]

All this negativity toward Halle Berry on the internet is just unreal.

[fumanstan]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
Who cares if there wasn't any action with Nightcrawler, that's not important IMO.

Alan Cumming did such a great job playing the character as he is one of the greatest underrated actors in the history of filming IMO. It just pains me to see that most people only liked Nightcrawler just for the begginning of the movie, and not pay any attention to his fantastic acting.

As a matter of fact, Nightcrawler having a lot of action in this movie wasn't needed, that's what Nightcrawler's job was in the X-Men group was to help save people like you said, that's why I think Nightcrawler didn't do much fighting. That fighting segment with Nightcrawler in the begginning at the White House scene, that was just an introduction of what the character can do.

Because i wanted to see more? That's why i care. He did a great job, especially when talking with Storm about faith. But that doesn't mean we can't ask for more action.

Also... the actor that played Colossus is signed for the next one according to rumors. Honestly, the only person i don't see coming back is Halle. I think every other actor has been pretty open about enjoying their time and their roles in the movies except for her. In interviews, Jackman always sounds incredibly excited about the character and seems to have a good time with fans. He definatly deserves a raise :)

[Get Me Coffee]

It's crazy thinking that jackman almost wasnt involved in these movies! How sad would that have been!!?!? At least one good thing came out of M:I2!

[jarofclay73]

Hugh Jackman was mainly an Australian soap opera actor. Not exactly the type to play Wolverine. Plus he's tall and not hairy. Kudos to Bryan Singer for finding such a talent.

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by fumanstan
Because i wanted to see more? That's why i care. He did a great job, especially when talking with Storm about faith. But that doesn't mean we can't ask for more action.

Also... the actor that played Colossus is signed for the next one according to rumors. Honestly, the only person i don't see coming back is Halle. I think every other actor has been pretty open about enjoying their time and their roles in the movies except for her. In interviews, Jackman always sounds incredibly excited about the character and seems to have a good time with fans. He definatly deserves a raise :)

Well it seems to me you only care about the action scenes more than the acting and the story, not there's anything wrong with that, but I just explained why Nightcrawler didn't do much fighting...his character was meant to be used to help the X-Men save people.

In case you didn't notice, the Nightcrawler character seems to be afraid of fighting. Didn't you hear Alan Cumming's dialogue that he was afraid of fighting other mutants and stuff?

Why do you think Nightcrawler was hiding on the ceiling away from Storm and Jean Grey? Nightcrawler doesn't seem like a fighting person to me. He seemed like a person that wants to help and save people. Nightcrawler isn't a violent character.

As I said before, I have never read the X-Men comics, I'm just judging from what I saw of his character in the movie.

But you never know, maybe he will do more fighting in the 3rd one.

The reason IceMan and Collosus didn't do much action was that it just a short introduction of their characters that is leading to the 3rd movie, it's the same thing with Nightcrawler in the White House segment in the very begginning of the movie.

But other than that, even though X-Men 2 didn't have much action scenes then the last one, X-Men 2 had a very incredible story. They really concentrated on the science fiction genre in this movie, more than the action genre. Kudos to Bryan Singer on doing such a fine job on a sequel. :)

[CreatureX]

Originally posted by Rogue588
How would you explain away him missing the underground HQ at the beginning..?

Well Stryker does know everything about Wolverine. I would expect him to know how to keep the base hidden from Wolverine's powers.

Originally posted by einTier
My only problem with this movie was this:

Why hadn't Magneto used the iron in someone's blood before the pivotal scene? Assuming the guard was about 250 pounds, he should have had about half a gram of iron in his body, which while far from a lot, should still be enough for Magneto to do some real damage...

I thought those pills Mystique gave the guard not only knocked him out, but they also increased the iron in his body.

Originally posted by Patman
Pretty much, Wolvie's senses got overriden by the "Schwing/Snikt" in his pants...

rotfl

[NCMojo]

Originally posted by jarofclay73
By the way, Bryan Singer, Kelly Hu and X2 screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris are going to be at the University of Hawaii Campus Center Ballroom this Friday at 6 p.m. in an open forum for the university's Cinematic and Digital Arts program.

I'm going to go and I'll post here how it goes. I'm going to try to get autographs as well.

EDIT: I just checked my work schedule and I can't go! Dammit.... Jarsofclay, what kind of work do you do??? Are you a neurosurgeon performing a gruelling 48-hour groundbreaking operation to save a little orphan girl's life?

Skip work! What, you think these guys are gonna drop by your neighborhood every other afternoon? Where are your priorities, man???

[fumanstan]

The pills knocked out the guard, and she injected the iron into him (with the audience gasping at the unsightly rear end :))

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by White Knight
It's crazy thinking that jackman almost wasnt involved in these movies! How sad would that have been!!?!? At least one good thing came out of M:I2!

OMG, that is the exact same thing I was telling a friend earlier today. If MI:2 didn't run long we never would have had Jackman.

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
But other than that, even though X-Men 2 didn't have much action scenes then the last one, X-Men 2 had a very incredible story.

Did we watch different movies? X1 had very little action. Unless you mean as a team, there was a lot more action in X2 than the first one.

[johnglass]

Originally posted by White Knight
It's crazy thinking that jackman almost wasnt involved in these movies! How sad would that have been!!?!? At least one good thing came out of M:I2!

Let's hope they have good luck finding the next Wolverine. According to this (http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6326151%255E3164,00.html) article, Jackman won't be around after X3, and maybe not even for that one.

If this movie series relies on one actor, I'd say it's Jackman. Everyone else is expendable.

[johnglass]

According to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2641278), a "number of key cast members are under contract for the next 3 films, but Berre isn't one of them.


For their parts, producers Donner and Ralph Winter are already openly talking about the possibilities for an "X3" and even "X4" and "X5." The film leaves a number of potential avenues open for such sequels, and a number of key cast members are already under contract for those films.

[sinister]

I hate to see berry go because she looked damn fine coming down those stairs in the beginning. but if anyone goes first it would be her. jackman will stay on for a more, he will get paid a lot for the solo wolverine movie.

[ChefWinduAZ]

I don't see why Berry should be back for any more sequels. The majority of fans don't like her, the director isn't fond of her, and she isn't fond of him. It seems to me like it would be best for everyone if she left the role and if they have to bring back Storm for other sequels, they should give the role to the woman who deserved it in the first place, Angela Bassett. I read an article where she said that she would have done the role if it had been offered to her.

[johnglass]

Originally posted by WWE Jedi
I don't see why Berry should be back for any more sequels. The majority of fans don't like her, the director isn't fond of her, and she isn't fond of him. It seems to me like it would be best for everyone if she left the role and if they have to bring back Storm for other sequels, they should give the role to the woman who deserved it in the first place, Angela Bassett. I read an article where she said that she would have done the role if it had been offered to her.

According to an interview (http://www.canoe.ca/JamMoviesXMen/xmen_030423-sun.html) with Shawn Ashmore, the cast and crew of the X-Men got along very well (although no mention of Berre's name in the article).

"But everybody hung out. Ian McKellen would throw dinner parties, which were very cool. He had, like, a big piano and Hugh Jackman would sing. There were songs, drinks and food. Y'know, you're away for five months, you can either sit in your hotel room lonely, or you get out and hang with everybody. Ian sort of initiated all of that.

[Dr. DVD]

They should have Storm go back to Africa or something in the third film to explain her absence. Better that than getting a replacement who would screw with the continuity. Face it. Unless it's James Bond, changing actors for key characters can prove less than stellar. (The Joel Schumacher Batman films spring to mind.)

[ckolchak]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
They should have Storm go back to Africa or something in the third film to explain her absence. Better that than getting a replacement who would screw with the continuity. Face it. Unless it's James Bond, changing actors for key characters can prove less than stellar. (The Joel Schumacher Batman films spring to mind.)

i would love to see Africa used as a locale sometime WITH Storm.

i realize this wasn't the focus of your post , but as soon as i see the mention of the Batman films, i feel a berzerker rant comin on


the failure of Batman wasn't because they had a different lead 3 out of 4 times- it made no difference because the character was a complete 0- a non-entity in all the films.
they were a failure because they didn't have 1 interesting idea in their heads.
i realize some people still hold onto nostalgia for the Burton ones ( no doubt having seen them at a very impressionable age) there really is nothing there.
certainly not anything close to a compelling narrative.
my mouth gapes open when i read people criticize the first X-Men as not having "enough action" and then proclaim X2 as "damn near as good as the first Batman".
WTF??!
that movie was positively turgid, w/ every single one of its set-pieces being set up to be some spectacular show-down and then after one or two bits of buisness they are abruptly ended (re: the fight in the alley, the batplane being taken down in its second flyby, the bell-tower assasians dispatched in one or two moves...and uh...was there even anything else?)

i hate to sound like a frothing at the mouth fanboy, but i very much appreciate the care and craft that went into fashioning the story here (taking into account films 1 & 2).
Batman never had this level of writing, even though all the grown fanboys blather about him being such an 'adult' character.

in the end, the Batman films were all about "stars" over characters and story.
i would hate to see X-men fall into that.
Storm is a great character who hasn't been utilized to her full potential. i hope to see that someday with or without Ms. Berry.

[JoeyOhhhh]

Slightly off topic:

I see alot of you suggesting Angela Basset for Storm. Yet on IMDB.com (I know not the most reliable place for info) it says under X-Men's trivia that she turned down the role?

Any truth to that?

[chanster]

I thought it was a good movie, but I actually preferred the first. I thought the first one's ending - the chess match between Magneto and X was awesome.

I was also a bit confused on why Wolvie wouldn't pick up on a gigantic structure with lots of people hanging around there.

I thought Rogue was the best part of the first movie, and she was barely in this one. Bah.

[Rocky_Stallone]

Originally posted by Ketamine
Did we watch different movies? X1 had very little action. Unless you mean as a team, there was a lot more action in X2 than the first one.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean, X-Men 2 had lesser action than the last one, maybe I should've made that more clearer.

But the action is not important.

I am tired of superhero comic movies with non-stop action. In this movie, it didn't do that.

In this movie, they really concentrated on the story which is what a real superhero comic movie should be.

Another thing I wanted to point out about that Nightcrawler White House sequence was that the only reason he went in there was to send a message to the President that he wanted "Freedom with the Mutants". If you noticed in that sequence, Nightcrawler didn't kill anyone. He just beat up the security that got in his way so he can go into the President's office without getting caught. That's just another reason why he is not that much of a fighting person.

[Snowmaker]

Hugh Jackman was in M:I-2?

[Groucho]

When they went into the church with all the birds flying around inside to retrieve Nightcrawler, I quipped "Oh no! They've stumbled on the set of a John Woo movie!"

[Patman]

No, Dougray Scott was originally signed to play Wolverine in the first X-Men film, but he decided to do MI:2 and dropped out of the X-Men film, so then the producers gave the Wolverine role to Hugh Jackman.

[braveheart32]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
Another thing I wanted to point out about that Nightcrawler White House sequence was that the only reason he went in there was to send a message to the President that he wanted "Freedom with the Mutants". If you noticed in that sequence, Nightcrawler didn't kill anyone. He just beat up the security that got in his way so he can go into the President's office without getting caught. That's just another reason why he is not that much of a fighting person.

I got the impression Stryker was using Nightcrawler the same way he was using Deathstrike and even Cyclops witht he serum he dropped on the back of their necks. It seemed like he was actually going to kill the President, but was shot from behind, stopping his attempt. Remeber, in the church he told Storm and Jean he didn't remember anything from that afternoon.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

An 86 million dollar weekend will make negotations easier. Being the fourth biggest weekend ever, behind Spider-man and the two Harry Potters, will also help. Just because nobody's under contract right now doesn't mean anything. I'm sure everyone will be back.

I really don't understand everyone-Bassett in leather makes me want to puke (i'm shuddering now). If Berry doesn't come back, you could write her out, until a suitable replacement is found. Please not A. Bassett.

Wouldn't either Demi Moore or Eliza Dushku make a great Psylocke?

[KingSmoth]

Originally posted by Groucho
When they went into the church with all the birds flying around inside to retrieve Nightcrawler, I quipped "Oh no! They've stumbled on the set of a John Woo movie!"

Hahaha, I thought the exact same thing.

[fumanstan]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
But the action is not important.

I am tired of superhero comic movies with non-stop action. In this movie, it didn't do that.

In this movie, they really concentrated on the story which is what a real superhero comic movie should be.

Really? I don't think there have been a whole lot of comic book movies with non stop action, at least not recently except for maybe the Blade movies (which still had a great story) and the cheese that is Batman and Robin.

As for Psylocke, i'd rather her be the Asian psylocke... Kelly Hu would have been great but so much for that :)

And Nightcrawler... i don't think Stryker would have any reason to actually kill the president. It would make more sense for him to scare the president as well as the world into thinking that mutants are a dangerous threat.

[edstein]

I would like to see Archangel in the next installment. Or maybe, the Alpha Flight team :drool:

[Deftones]

In case any of you were wondering what mutants were listed on the files in Stryker's computer, here they are courtest of www.darkhorizons.com

"Meanwhile, many have been wondering what were the mutant names seen on Stryker's database list in a brief scene in "X2", well here's the list for hardcore fans - Keniucho Harada (Silver Samurai), Garrison Kane (Kane), Remy LeBeau (Gambit), Eric Lensherr (Magneto), Artie Maddicks, Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man), Xi'an Coy Mahn (Karma), Pietro Maximoff (Quicksilver), Kevin McTaggart, Danielle Moonstar (Mirage), Ororo Munroe (Storm), Paige Guthrie (Husk), Samuel Guthrie (Cannonball)."

[Get Me Coffee]

Omega Red was on it too!

[bigsoos]

Originally posted by jonpeters

Wouldn't either Demi Moore or Eliza Dushku make a great Psylocke?

Mmmmm, Psylocke! Wasn't Project Widewake also one of the folders on Stryker's computer? Wasn't that the Sentinal program?

[iggystar]

Originally posted by Groucho
When they went into the church with all the birds flying around inside to retrieve Nightcrawler, I quipped "Oh no! They've stumbled on the set of a John Woo movie!"

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought that! :)

[DarkestPhoenix]

I had always thought that Dougray Scott was injured on the set of MI:2 with a broken leg or arm or pride or something, and that's why he couldn't do X-Men.

After Seeing Ever After, I'm not disappointed. :p

[iggystar]

I thought the movie was excellent. I loved, loved, loved X-1, but this was an improvement.

I almost jumped out of my seat duing the opening Nightcrawler scene it was so wonderful. (I could jump out my desk at work if I thought about it hard enough). Alan Cummings did a wonderful job, I loved his character.

Hugh was beautiful (acting and looks). I just remember how mad I was when Dougray Scott was held over doing MI:2, and how much I complained when I saw Hugh as Wolvie in the trailer and in print. I can't imagine anyone else in that role now, he owns it.

As much I as don't care for Halle, she improved on Storm so much that I wouldn't mind her back at all. She seemed to have more confidence during scenes where she was using her powers (and no truly horrible line as in X1 - we all know which one I'm talking about).

The story was better, action was better. When Mystique slid through the door after kicking butt!!!!!!!! Just too many parts to mention that had me clapping and shouting (sorry, couldn't contain myself).

Two nitpicks: James Marsden's turmoil/crying scene was laughable - not sure if this guy can act.

I was mad that Jean got to kiss Wolvie (just my personal fangirl jealousy kicking in). :)

I was mad that Jean was kissing Hugh

[kneijst1]

I thought this was an excellent movie overall. Acting, script, action sequences were all top notch. My only concern is that we're starting the summer off with such a bang, that I have high expectations for the rest of the summer sequels and I'm not sure that they'll hold their ground as well as X2 does(besides Matrix 2).

[DonnachaOne]

Anyone else put off by Hugh Jackman's varying hair length from scene to scene?

And yes, I couldn't help but laugh at the bit in the Church.
It. Is. Right. Out. Of. The. Killer.

Perhaps we'll have Chow Yun-Fat in the next one as a mutant who can create bullets so he never runs out. His weakness is that he can't tell a good screenplay from a bad one.

[cheenno]

Originally posted by DonnachaOne
Anyone else put off by Hugh Jackman's varying hair length from scene to scene?

I just figured it was either combed differently or sometimes not combed at all.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by JoeyOhhhh
Slightly off topic:

I see alot of you suggesting Angela Basset for Storm. Yet on IMDB.com (I know not the most reliable place for info) it says under X-Men's trivia that she turned down the role?

Any truth to that?

About a year ago I read in a magazine an interview with her and in the article they asked her about X-Men and playing Storm. She said that a lot fo people asked her why she didn't do it and she said that she was never offered the role and after having seen the film she would have done the role.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by Patman
No, Dougray Scott was originally signed to play Wolverine in the first X-Men film, but he decided to do MI:2 and dropped out of the X-Men film, so then the producers gave the Wolverine role to Hugh Jackman.

Actually the shoot for MI:2 ran long and Dougray Scott was not going to be able to make it to the shoot of X-men so he had to drop out.

[finbogg]

While I like Halle berry as an actress (plus she's HOT) I don't think she fits the role of Storm very well.

You need someone more regal and majestic. Storm was a African godess/queen and should be played that way. In the comics she was always the most calm and serene, above everyone else even in pressure situations. That's why the scene with Nightcrawler (where she talks about anger getting her through) doesn't seem to fit IMO.

I think Iman (former model now David Bowie's wife) would have been perfect for the role but she might be a little old now. Then again...after looking at some pictures on IMDB.com....she looks pretty damn good.

http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?source=granitz&group=1767&photo=Events/1767/ImanDavidB_Mazur_777142_400.jpg&path=pgallery&path_key=Iman%20(I)

[sinister]

the oriental girl in rush hour 2 and crouching tiger hidden dragon is my pick for psylocke.

[atari2600]

can someone explain the joke when wolverine answered "what are you a professor of" and he said "arts"

is that an inside joke of some kind? i never read the comics or anything - what is that referring to?

[ChefWinduAZ]

Originally posted by sinister
the oriental girl in rush hour 2 and crouching tiger hidden dragon is my pick for psylocke.

She may look the part but unfortunately she cannot speak English so that rules her out.

[fumanstan]

I don't think it was an inside joke. It was just funny to associate Wolverine with art.

[bigsoos]

Originally posted by WWE Jedi
She may look the part but unfortunately she cannot speak English so that rules her out.

Plus, the 2nd version of Psylocke is an Asian lady w/ a British accent.

[Kal-El]

Saw it yesterday. Loved it. That opening scene with Nightcrawler was awesome.

Was unimpressed with Ice Man/Bobby. His expression during the whole film didn't seem to change.

[MrN]

Originally posted by WWE Jedi
Actually the shoot for MI:2 ran long and Dougray Scott was not going to be able to make it to the shoot of X-men so he had to drop out.


I seem to recall that Scott also broke his leg or something in one of those bike stunts.

[minguy]

Originally posted by sinister
the oriental girl in rush hour 2 and crouching tiger hidden dragon is my pick for psylocke.

I believe the correct term is Asian... so you don't offend anyone. "Oriental" is very archaic. Too closely tied with oriental rugs.

[Chew]

Originally posted by RJainMJ
--I thought the final shot was a little weak. I suppose they are a little unsure of where they want to go with the next movie, so they avoided a shot of a fiery Phoenix and instead just placed a shadow in the water.
I didn't have time to read through all the responses, but was hoping others saw this as well. I thought for sure I caught a glimpse of a fiery bird beneath the water surface at the end.

I think the actual Phoenix would be way too confusing for most viewers. By adding the shadow, it was a neat little crumb for the comic fans.

[Get Me Coffee]

Yes you saw correctly!

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by TheBigHead
RocShemp - You are not the only one. I mad another thread about this without seeing yours then someone pointed it out.

My Post [...]

Sorry I missed this earlier. (I wasn't aware that this thread was merged with another.) Still I think all your points are quite valid (like I said when I replied toyour other post - before the merging) nad you actually noted more similarities than what I noticed.

BTW I just sawit again today. Did anyone notice the cameo by Hugh Jackman's sister early in the film? Early in the movie, when Logan first goes to Alkali Lake, he stops in front of the entrance and stares at a wolf. Notice something funny? That's not Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. That's his sister sporting fake muton chops and wearing one of Hugh Jackman's extra costumes.

Though they don't specify the actual scene, Wizard #139 has an article with Sean Ashemore where her cameo is mentioned.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by filmerp
I'd let this slide, attributing it to Wolverine's enormous case of sexual fustration. He didn't have much time to sniff about as Mystique/Jean was ready to jump on him without question. C'mon, put yourself in the man's shoes!



In the book, Logan DOES know she's NOT Jean the second she comes into the tent by her scent ANNND he decides he doesn't want to "do" Mystique for some silly "Wanna be a better man for Jean" BS.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Rocky_Stallone
All this negativity toward Halle Berry on the internet is just unreal.

...and it's tired and silly.

[Get Me Coffee]

boo-hoo cry me a river

[Rogue588]

:lol:

on a NON-Berry note..has anyone mentioned the lil bit of humor with Mystique flipping off the guards as she was sliding behind the blast doors?

well...I thought it was funny...

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by candyrocket786
I thought Pyro’s transition to the dark side was much more believable than that of Anakin Skywalker's.

Or maybe it was because Anakin Skywalker did NOT fully make the transition to the Dark Side yet. Not in Episode II. Wait for Episode III.

I don't know how people can compare Pyro to Anakin anyway. Pyro wasn't really a huge part of X2. You know he's a bad guy at heart even before he goes ballistic on the cops. Heck, even in the first movie, he's playing around in class. I guess that hurls him straight to the dark side, huh? The only transition he really makes is deciding to betray the X-Men. And to me, it wasn't that hard of a transition knowing his nature.

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by fumanstan
I want to see Iceman change his full body into Ice... that would interesting.

Like this?
http://www.canoe.ca/MovieImagesX/xmen_iceman.jpg

Unfortunately, it would be more expensive and not as realistic. I mean, he doesn't have to turn into ice to use his power. So why bother? I went back and watched the commentary for the X-Men and they talked at length about how they wanted to do a "realistic" superhero movie. I believe that's why Rogue doesn't have superhuman strength and can't fly. The bullet in Wolverine's head was a bit stretching it, but I bought it. I think our heroes in the movies have a lot more limitations than their comic book counterparts, and that's because of Singer's thing on making it "realistic."

[Teremei]

I KNEW I remembered Iceman being covered in Ice! Yeah, I think in the 3rd movie we will probably see an Iceman/Pyro showdown. I don't think we will see Pyro with goggles and a canister on his back but it could "realistically" be portrayed that Iceman could need to"surround" himself in ice if he got in a situation where he were surrounded by projectiles.

Now that Pyro is a "Brother" do you think he will get out of those street clothes? If so what will his costume be? And can we all agree that we want an Iceman/Pyro showdown and we want Iceman walking on a bridge of ice?

[Kudama]

My thoughts are:

Cool

-That was some of the best choreography I’ve seen lately at the beginning.
-Phoenix left the plane because the ambient heat from her expulsion of power would have killed everyone else in the cabin.
Originally posted by Rogue588
said it should be Angela Bassett.
(re. Storm. RIGHT ON!)

-Scott crying was not that bad actin’. In fact, I found it great. I have made some weird sounds when I lost friends. This part made me (personally and very effectively) freak out and squirt saltwater.
-My favorite line in a LONG time: Magneto, “(whisper, laugh, whisper)”Love what you’ve done with your hair!” (laughter)” Evil! :D

LOVED IT!

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by jarofclay73
Like this?
http://www.canoe.ca/MovieImagesX/xmen_iceman.jpg

Unfortunately, it would be more expensive and not as realistic. I mean, he doesn't have to turn into ice to use his power. So why bother? I went back and watched the commentary for the X-Men and they talked at length about how they wanted to do a "realistic" superhero movie. I believe that's why Rogue doesn't have superhuman strength and can't fly. The bullet in Wolverine's head was a bit stretching it, but I bought it. I think our heroes in the movies have a lot more limitations than their comic book counterparts, and that's because of Singer's thing on making it "realistic."



..and if they showed Bobby in his Ice Form many here would bitch about how fake he looks.

[Ravenous]

I loved the movie so much! I cant believe how good it was.

- Alan was amazing, when hes in the church talking about his sins you can see the pain and emotion in his eyes. He was fantastic. Plus I thought the angelic symbols all over his body were a great touch. Ive never read the comics but, I dont recall those from the cartoon.

- Ian is the best actor Ive seen.'nuff said. I have no doubt he'll be back since I know he loves the story line. Plus he had great lines.

- I thought Cyclops scene at the end crying was great. I almost squirted a tear ;)

- Pyro was awesome. I thought he was Irish though? I coulda sworn he had an acent in the comics.

Dislikes:
- Where the hell was Sabertooth? He was always one of my faves

- Why didnt Nightcrawler just teleport them all out of there at the end. WHeter it was one at a time or all as a group, it would have been faster than running.

- It woulda been SWEET if Deathstrike would have recognized Logan at the end and said his name before she died. It would have left people wondering as well as add some great emotion to the scene.

Quick question:
If Beast was on the news as a human, was he a mutant yet? And I thought he was blue all the time and couldnt change back and forth. How did beast become a mutant and whats the background on him?

Oh and those 2 websites that were posted. The first one didnt work for me and the second, I cant find ANY info in. Where do I go to get backgrounds on the characters and some history?

[iggystar]

Originally posted by RocShemp

BTW I just sawit again today. Did anyone notice the cameo by Hugh Jackman's sister early in the film? Early in the movie, when Logan first goes to Alkali Lake, he stops in front of the entrance and stares at a wolf. Notice something funny? That's not Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. That's his sister sporting fake muton chops and wearing one of Hugh Jackman's extra costumes.



Are you being serious (no, you can't be) or sarcastic? The reason I ask is my very thought when I saw that scene was, "Something is very, very, odd here." Perhaps this was a scene shot after production wrapped? Being this huge Wolvie/Jackman lover it totally weirded me out, he looked completely strange.

[Original Desmond]

absolute bloody amazing ! what more can i say !

Best comic book movie to date by a mile!

so many mark out moments!

Nightcrawler opener

Colossus

Magento's escape

Pyro taking out the cops (i hated Rogue for stopping him finishing the job!)

great performances by all i thought even Halle !

Now i would hate to see any of the actors holding the studio ransom to get more money. For most of the cast, this series has made them, especially Jackman, he owes the series to do future films

i don't get this "wasn't enough action" business

i was on the edge of my seat throughout ! and i have high action demands!

Wolverine taking out the soldiers was so cool, that was overall my fav scene, very intense. I wanted to see Iceman freeze someone then break them into tiny pieces!

[mikehunt]

wolverine and the bullet was "believable" (in the x-men reality anyway) due to his skull being an indestructable metal

[fumanstan]

Beast's mutant power is his monkey like agility and i guess ape like strength. He started out as just a guy with large hands and feet with those abilities. He didn't gain the blue fur and 'beast look' until he tried to cure himself, only to make his mutation worse.

[Pharoh]

Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it, but have a question or two. I have not been a huge fan of the comics, so I haven't read any of them in a long time, nor have I heard any commentary on the films, so my question is: Why wasn't the Mystique-Nightcrawler connection approached or even mentioned?

And is there any plan to introduce Juggernaut? Any reason why not it so?

[minguy]

Originally posted by Rogue588
:lol:

on a NON-Berry note..has anyone mentioned the lil bit of humor with Mystique flipping off the guards as she was sliding behind the blast doors?

well...I thought it was funny...

She FLIPS them off??? I missed that. Will watch for it next time.

[lisadoris]

Yeah she flips them off - that was funny. Didn't they use that sequence for the commericals without the flip off of course?

[Ketamine]

Originally posted by Ravenous
Oh and those 2 websites that were posted. The first one didnt work for me and the second, I cant find ANY info in. Where do I go to get backgrounds on the characters and some history?

????
They are both up and have quite a bit of info on both the good guys and bad. Here is an example from the 2nd site. http://24.191.192.76:8000/uxmen.html

[johnglass]

Originally posted by lisadoris
Yeah she flips them off - that was funny. Didn't they use that sequence for the commericals without the flip off of course?

Yeah, but I swear in the commercials she slides forward through the door, while in the movie she actually slid backward, then gave them the finger.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by White Knight
boo-hoo cry me a river


bite me :p

[finbogg]

Originally posted by Ravenous
I loved the movie so much! I cant believe how good it was.
- Pyro was awesome. I thought he was Irish though? I coulda sworn he had an acent in the comics.

- Where the hell was Sabertooth? He was always one of my faves

- Why didnt Nightcrawler just teleport them all out of there at the end. WHeter it was one at a time or all as a group, it would have been faster than running.

Quick question:
If Beast was on the news as a human, was he a mutant yet? And I thought he was blue all the time and couldnt change back and forth. How did beast become a mutant and whats the background on him?

-Pyro is Australian in the comics

- Sabertooth is rumored to be back in the next movie. Be prepared for a knock-down drag-out Wolverine vs Sabertooth fight.

-Teleporting with people is tiring for Nightcrawler, plus he has to know where he is going to be able to teleport there safely.

-Beast starts out as a human looking character in the original X-men comics.He does have over-sized hands and feet though. He becomes blue and furry due to and lab accident later on (when he was in the Avengers, I think...).


Originally posted by mikehunt
wolverine and the bullet was "believable" (in the x-men reality anyway) due to his skull being an indestructable metal

Ah...you beat me to it. I think people don't realize that his entire skeleton (including skull) are adamantium (makes it hard to float). The bullet was only imbedded in the skin.

[buckee1]

Excellent film caught it on opening day in Boston and am still wearing the smile it plastered all over my face!

I really like where this franchise appears to be heading and cannot wiat for X3.

The Matrix reloaded trailer that ran before this was incredible as well!

In some ways it was better than X2!

[C-Mart]

Wow, I finally made it through this whole thread. Props to everyone for providing a lot of info for us who are not in on the comic backstories of most of these characters. After reading some of the stuff here, I am looking into getting some of the graphic nivels though. A quick question on that, I was looking through a series of graphic novels titles "Ultimate X-Men" and I was wondering if this is the beginning, just updated in terms of graphics and a few story changes? or is it supposed to be a new story? For example, in the 4th book (I was flipping through them in the bookstore attempting to find the Phoenix story,) they have Jean controlled by Jason (at least I think it was Jason) and Prof X, Storm, and one other mutant, Wolverine, perhaps Beast, I can't recall. Anyway they are tied to a wierd circle thing. Eventually Jason calls the Poenix Force to go into Jean and then attempts to use her I guess. She kills all the bad guys and starts using her powers like a god, saving people, etc... From earlier threads, she gained the Phoenix force through piloting a shuttle to earth. So, is this a new story line? Or is it the original, just reimagined? In other words, should I start buying these graphic novels? Or should I try to find original comics?

Originally posted by Pharoh
Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it, but have a question or two. I have not been a huge fan of the comics, so I haven't read any of them in a long time, nor have I heard any commentary on the films, so my question is: Why wasn't the Mystique-Nightcrawler connection approached or even mentioned?

And is there any plan to introduce Juggernaut? Any reason why not it so?

I also was wondering about the Nightcrawler/Mystique connection. Are they just saving it, or doing away with it completely. It seems that Nightcrawler is a little old to be the son of Mystique (In the movie,) but we really can't tell how old Mystique is supposed to be anyway I guess.

Almost forgot to add that I loved the movie! I agree with many here when they say that they are glad that they went with a greaet story line rather than an overabundance of action. Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of action... Oh, and Magneto just kicks ass, especially the jail escape.

-CM-

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by iggystar
Are you being serious (no, you can't be) or sarcastic? The reason I ask is my very thought when I saw that scene was, "Something is very, very, odd here." Perhaps this was a scene shot after production wrapped? Being this huge Wolvie/Jackman lover it totally weirded me out, he looked completely strange.

I'm being quite serious. Check out the issue of Wizard I mentioned (#139) and then watch the movie again.

"Something is very, very, odd here" was the same reaction I had when I first saw the movie. Then when I saw it again I figured it out as I remembered the Sean Ashmore interview. Look at the shape of the head. It's too narrow. Hugh Jackman has a much wider face. Also, the eyebrows are totally unlike his. That's his sister in that scene. It was a practical joke on the director that they chose to leave in.

To be honest, I expected the scene to show up as a bonus on the DVD. Not the actual movie. But there it is.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
bite me :p

Easy ;)

[einTier]

C-Mart, it's best if you don't try to think about the X-Men timeline too much. Marvel screwed it up a long time ago.

See, there's about ten different timelines to the X-Universe, or alternative realities as they call it. There's the Age of Apocalypse timeline, which is one of my favorites, there's the Days of Future Past timeline, there's the normal timeline, there's the alterations made to the normal timeline, and then there's the movie timeline.

Just think of it as multiple universes all containing the same characters and similar (but not the same) stories.

[ckolchak]

Originally posted by C-Mart
I am looking into getting some of the graphic nivels though. A quick question on that, I was looking through a series of graphic novels titles "Ultimate X-Men" and I was wondering if this is the beginning, just updated in terms of graphics and a few story changes? or is it supposed to be a new story?
-CM-

sounds re-imagined/re-worked to me.
i stopped reading X-men in the mid 80's when the stories started getting hopelessly convoluted, and a lot less fun.

the primary text Singer seems to be working from in the films, is the Claremont/Byrne era.
This contains the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline- stick with these issues, they are still a pinacle of comic book storytelling.
you can find them in Vol 1 & 2 of the Essential X-men. i think they are about $15 each. each have a couple hundred pages collecting over 20 issues of original comics ( in Black & white though).
a GREAT value.

edited to add
...even better Amazon has them for under $11 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785102981/qid=1052367175/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/104-0042699-1685544?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[minguy]

Originally posted by johnglass
Yeah, but I swear in the commercials she slides forward through the door, while in the movie she actually slid backward, then gave them the finger.
Yes, I noticed this too. She was definately sliding forward in the trailer. Inconsistencies like this are annoying and a bit jolting but if the scene works (better), then so be it.



Originally posted by C-Mart
I also was wondering about the Nightcrawler/Mystique connection. Are they just saving it, or doing away with it completely. It seems that Nightcrawler is a little old to be the son of Mystique (In the movie,) but we really can't tell how old Mystique is supposed to be anyway I guess.
You can ask the same question about other characters. In the comics, Sabertooth and Wolverine have a relationship. So do Wolverine and Yuriko. Doesn't necessarily mean the backstories are the same in the movie. For example, I'm not quite sure Stryker has such a deep history with Xavier and Magneto. Forget what you know. It's obvious but easy to forget that the movies possess their own mythologies and continuities... as they should.



Originally posted by RocShemp
I'm being quite serious. Check out the issue of Wizard I mentioned (#139) and then watch the movie again.
"Something is very, very, odd here" was the same reaction I had when I first saw the movie. Then when I saw it again I figured it out as I remembered the Sean Ashmore interview. Look at the shape of the head. It's too narrow. Hugh Jackman has a much wider face. Also, the eyebrows are totally unlike his. That's his sister in that scene. It was a practical joke on the director that they chose to leave in.

To be honest, I expected the scene to show up as a bonus on the DVD. Not the actual movie. But there it is.
I read about this as well. So you're saying they show her face in the makeup? I noticed there are a few moments when the chops and the beard look really fake, way too dark. Will have to look more closely next time.

[RocShemp]

Originally posted by minguy
I read about this as well. So you're saying they show her face in the makeup? I noticed there are a few moments when the chops and the beard look really fake, way too dark. Will have to look more closely next time.

That's exactly what I'm saying. She's there for that one shot as Wolverine.

[iggystar]

Originally posted by RocShemp
I'm being quite serious. Check out the issue of Wizard I mentioned (#139) and then watch the movie again.



I'm only vaguely aware of this magazine. How would I find it?

Doesn't matter, I fully and totally believe you!!!!! When I saw the scene, I KNEW something was askew. It wasn't "out there" noticable, but my "Wolvie attraction" just stopped right at that moment - I'm thinking, "is it me, or does Hugh look kind of femme right here?" Then after that particular brief scene, my hormones went back to normal, everything was fine!!!!

I've got to find that issue, this is too hilarious!

[RocShemp]

Well I found this particular issue at a local farmacy. Though they sometimes don't bring the latest comic book issues they never seem to miss an issue of WIZARD. Also try any local comic book store and ask for issue 139. It's the one with Hugh Jackman on the cover posing as Wolverine (sans uniform) with his claws out and ready to strike. There are also two alternate coversof this particular issue. One has Venom hanging from the edge of a wall holding Spider-Man's torn mask in his free hand. The other cover is an Ekos/Dragonfly cover (two new comic book series). Hope that helps. :)

[iggystar]

Thanks Roc, I actually just back ordered it directly from the Wizard website.

It's good to know that I wasn't going crazy!

[RocShemp]

No problem. Glad I could help.

[Nesbit]

Am I the only one to notice that when Magneto reverses Cerebro to kill all humans that there's a shot of the president who looks to be in no pain whatsoever?

[RocShemp]

Maybe not a whole lot of pain like Stryker was but the President did seem really out of it. Maybe the attack didn't affect all the humans to an equal degree. Xavier may be one of the World's most powerful mutants but he still has his linits and I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to kill all the humans in just one shot.

[C-Mart]

Originally posted by ckolchak
sounds re-imagined/re-worked to me.
i stopped reading X-men in the mid 80's when the stories started getting hopelessly convoluted, and a lot less fun.

the primary text Singer seems to be working from in the films, is the Claremont/Byrne era.
This contains the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline- stick with these issues, they are still a pinacle of comic book storytelling.
you can find them in Vol 1 & 2 of the Essential X-men. i think they are about $15 each. each have a couple hundred pages collecting over 20 issues of original comics ( in Black & white though).
a GREAT value.

edited to add
...even better Amazon has them for under $11 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0785102981/qid=1052367175/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/104-0042699-1685544?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Thanks! I will definately check those out.

[finbogg]

Originally posted by C-Mart
A quick question on that, I was looking through a series of graphic novels titles "Ultimate X-Men" and I was wondering if this is the beginning, just updated in terms of graphics and a few story changes? or is it supposed to be a new story?

The Marvel "Ultimates" Line is a "reimagining" of the various Marvel heroes. It takes place totally separate from the original marvel universe continuity.

The Ultimate X-Men came about to jump start the X-men comics after the first movie. It gives new readers a good jumping on point as they basically started over. Also to make the X-men younger, hipper and more edgy (hence Wolverine's goatee and the lack of spandex costumes.)

Like the guy above said, if you want to get in on the references that they are slipping into the movie, then "Essential X-men" graphics novels are the way to go. This book will give you all the best stuff from the past few decades of X-men comics. It sucks that they don't have them in color though.

[edytwinky]

Saw the movie the other day and was just in awe! They truly delivered on the sequel. I loved all the fanboy references in the movie.

Nightcrawler and Wolverine really stole the show.

[jarofclay73]

Originally posted by ncmojo
Jarsofclay, what kind of work do you do??? Are you a neurosurgeon performing a gruelling 48-hour groundbreaking operation to save a little orphan girl's life?

Skip work! What, you think these guys are gonna drop by your neighborhood every other afternoon? Where are your priorities, man???

Guess what? I'm going! I got someone to fill in for half my shift. I'll be a little late but I'm glad I'm going!

Let's just say I'm in the public service field...

[minguy]

Originally posted by iggystar
When I saw the scene, I KNEW something was askew. It wasn't "out there" noticable, but my "Wolvie attraction" just stopped right at that moment - I'm thinking, "is it me, or does Hugh look kind of femme right here?" Then after that particular brief scene, my hormones went back to normal, everything was fine!!!!

LOL. That's some powerful Wolvie sense you got there. You're like a superhero or a mutant or something.

[C-Mart]

Originally posted by finbogg
The Marvel "Ultimates" Line is a "reimagining" of the various Marvel heroes. It takes place totally separate from the original marvel universe continuity.

The Ultimate X-Men came about to jump start the X-men comics after the first movie. It gives new readers a good jumping on point as they basically started over. Also to make the X-men younger, hipper and more edgy (hence Wolverine's goatee and the lack of spandex costumes.)

Like the guy above said, if you want to get in on the references that they are slipping into the movie, then "Essential X-men" graphics novels are the way to go. This book will give you all the best stuff from the past few decades of X-men comics. It sucks that they don't have them in color though.

Thanks. I was looking at the Essential X-Men books in the bookstore yesterday and what I don't like is that it is black&white. If I am going to read the originals, then I would rather have it in color. We'll see how it works out I guess. Thanks again for all the info!

[thephantom]

Originally posted by filmerp
Which reminds me, did anyone else think of Hannibal Lecter's escape when this scene started like this? Guard walks in with a tray of food as the prisoner listens to classical music...

I also noticed a similarity, but not in the scene itself, but the music. I would SWEAR that Lector and Magneto had the same music playing when they made thier escape.

When you think about it, it really wouldn't be that suprising. Brian Cox played Lector in Manhunter, and almost played him in Silence of the Lambs...

[FalconH10]

I just saw it last night and wow, much better than the first. I think the extra time helped immensly.

First off the whole nightcrawler intro was amazing, Alan Cummings played the role very well.

I like that Famke had a lot more to do.
Is there anyone else other than hugh jackman that would look this good as wolverine, i doubt it :)

when he dug both of his claws into that guys chest, and pinned him against the refrigerator while screaming, I think I almost pissed my pants

Everything seemed well put together and it made me salivate at the thoughts of sentinels, pheonix, or apocalypse (ok this would be pretty hard to pull off). Can't wait for X3.

Oh but one thing, more Colosus. He was torn and should have been in longer.

As usual very little Scott/Storm developement.
I was surprised how little rogue did in the film.

Oh well great film all around A-

[Rogue588]

Has anyone mentioned the THANKFUL absence of any "alt-pop hard rock" songs during the movie?

Amen! And thank you Mr. Singer.

[Friday13thuncut]

Singer's Apt Pupil's credits say "Phoenix Pictures Presents...", coincidence?

[fumanstan]

Originally posted by C-Mart
Thanks. I was looking at the Essential X-Men books in the bookstore yesterday and what I don't like is that it is black&white. If I am going to read the originals, then I would rather have it in color. We'll see how it works out I guess. Thanks again for all the info!

I know Marvel has entire volumes/books of story arcs like Xtinction Agenda (awesome, my favorite) and Dark Phoenix. Those might be great to pick up :)

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Rogue588
Has anyone mentioned the THANKFUL absence of any "alt-pop hard rock" songs during the movie?

Amen! And thank you Mr. Singer.

Amen to That! Can I get a witness?

[Original Desmond]

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Originally posted by thephantom
I also noticed a similarity, but not in the scene itself, but the music. I would SWEAR that Lector and Magneto had the same music playing when they made thier escape.

When you think about it, it really wouldn't be that suprising. Brian Cox played Lector in Manhunter, and almost played him in Silence of the Lambs...

Magneto's last name, which I forgot now, sounds a lot like 'Lector'.

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