Jerry Krause calls it quits

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

Just got a Tribune alert.

[tofu]

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0407/1535067.html

It's gonna be weird to not see him at the next draft lottery but I hope he stays healthy.

[edytwinky]

Oh well. He screwed up big time.

[twikoff]

he was one of the key orchastrators of a great dynasty..
regardless of what anyone thinks of him, or how the bulls have collapsed after the championship team split up.. its hard not to have some respect for the guy and what his role in chicago bulls basketball

[MrX]

He did a great job putting together Jordan's supporting cast that's it. The great myth about him is he's the person who drafted Jordan when it was actually Rob Thorn.

His downfall was he thought way to much of himself and he tried to out think everyone and would draft player who no one has heard of to prove how smart he is. The majority of the time he was wrong. This organization is better off without just based on the perception of him. They were never going to land top level FA's with him in charge.

[B.A.]

Originally posted by MrX
They were never going to land top level FA's with him in charge.
That is what I was thinking as soon as I saw the thread title. Maybe they will be able to sign some quality free agents this off-season if they choose to do so. I would like to see Elton Brand come back to the Bulls - how realistic that is, I don't know.

[MrX]

Originally posted by bahist17
I would like to see Elton Brand come back to the Bulls - how realistic that is, I don't know.
They don't have the money to bring Brand back and I think Chandler is the future at PF anyway.

[BoatDrinks]

Originally posted by MrX
He did a great job putting together Jordan's supporting cast that's it. The great myth about him is he's the person who drafted Jordan when it was actually Rob Thorn.

His downfall was he thought way to much of himself and he tried to out think everyone and would draft player who no one has heard of to prove how smart he is. The majority of the time he was wrong. This organization is better off without just based on the perception of him. They were never going to land top level FA's with him in charge.
:up:

[clemente]

I was listening to sports talk today and those who chose to bash Krause and not give him any cred for the championships would say that he didn't draft Jordan and all he did "was bring in the supporting cast".

Ask Kevin Garnett if he would like a GM who all he does is "bring in a supporting cast" Ask Tracy McGrady.

[MrX]

Originally posted by clemente
I was listening to sports talk today and those who chose to bash Krause and not give him any cred for the championships would say that he didn't draft Jordan and all he did "was bring in the supporting cast".

Ask Kevin Garnett if he would like a GM who all he does is "bring in a supporting cast" Ask Tracy McGrady.
He did a great job putting together the cast. He definetly deserves credit for it. His huge mistake was when he said organizations win championships, not players. When he said that all the Krause critics were waiting for him to fail at rebuilding this team and after 5 years of not coming close to not making the playoffs he deserves to be bashed somewhat.

As far as Garnett and a supporting cast. That's like saying he's at Jordan's level which he's not close to being at.

[schizopak]

Originally posted by MrX
He did a great job putting together the cast. He definetly deserves credit for it. His huge mistake was when he said organizations win championships, not players. When he said that all the Krause critics were waiting for him to fail at rebuilding this team and after 5 years of not coming close to not making the playoffs he deserves to be bashed somewhat.

As far as Garnett and a supporting cast. That's like saying he's at Jordan's level which he's not close to being at.

Krause definitely deserves a lot of credit. That comment was a definite mistake as well as breaking up the championship team prematurely. Also, drafting terrible no-namers to show the world he could be like Jerry West and find diamonds in the rough. Also, allowing himself to become a reason for free agents to avoid Chicago.

Oh well. Hopefully Jordan will step in and take the job. Can you imagine Jordan knocking on the door of a prospective high school/college kid and asking them to play for the Bulls? What basketball player wouldn't give his shooting hand for that to happen?

As for Garnett, he is not Jordan but I wouldn't go so far to say that he's not even close. Garnett is fantastic and will NEVER be Jordan but right now he's the best player in the game (arguably with apologies to T-Mac).

[namja]

Originally posted by clemente
I was listening to sports talk today and those who chose to bash Krause and not give him any cred for the championships would say that he didn't draft Jordan and all he did "was bring in the supporting cast".

Ask Kevin Garnett if he would like a GM who all he does is "bring in a supporting cast" Ask Tracy McGrady.
Krause is like a one hit wonder. He did it once (and that for the greatest ball player ever) and he didn't even bring in the best athletes that he could have. Krause brought in pretty decent players, and it was Jackson and Jordan who shaped those players into great players.

[B.A.]

Originally posted by MrX
They don't have the money to bring Brand back and I think Chandler is the future at PF anyway.
I see Chandler as a 7 ft. tall small forward. He's too light to play the 4, imo. I think Reinsdorf could come up w/ the money to bring back Brand, he probably doesn't want to though (I have no idea where they are under the cap, etc.).

[B.A.]

Originally posted by schizopak
Oh well. Hopefully Jordan will step in and take the job. Can you imagine Jordan knocking on the door of a prospective high school/college kid and asking them to play for the Bulls? What basketball player wouldn't give his shooting hand for that to happen?
I heard on the radio today that we would be more likely to see B.J. Armstrong step in and take over for Krause than Jordan. It was mentioned that Armstrong has been groomed for it for three or four years. How legitamite these statements were, who knows? I don't see why Jordan and B.J. couldn't come in and run the show together - I guess it all depends if Krause is still going to have a more reserved behind-the-scenes role w/ Reinsdorf or not.

[MrX]

Originally posted by schizopak
Oh well. Hopefully Jordan will step in and take the job. Can you imagine Jordan knocking on the door of a prospective high school/college kid and asking them to play for the Bulls? What basketball player wouldn't give his shooting hand for that to happen?

I want Jordan no where near a position of decision making. If they want to bring him in a figure head, which he won't do, that is fine.

His moves in Washinton have not been great.

Sam Smith had an article in the tribune about the moves Jordan and Krause got in disagreements over when Jordan was they were together. He threw fit when Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright and also got in an argument with Krause when he traded for Pippen. Their were others that I can't remember.

[Flashback]

Originally posted by MrX
I want Jordan no where near a position of decision making. If they want to bring him in a figure head, which he won't do, that is fine.

His moves in Washinton have not been great.

Sam Smith had an article in the tribune about the moves Jordan and Krause got in disagreements over when Jordan was they were together. He threw fit when Krause traded Oakley for Cartwright and also got in an argument with Krause when he traded for Pippen. Their were others that I can't remember.

So true...Jordan cannot judge talent at all.

[sm8680]

Who drafted stacy king, Brad sellers and I recall a few other blunderous drafts. Granted he built/traded for a nice supportting cast. But his ego proved to be to much and in essence I think the Bulls will be better off. Basketball is a team game and all to often Krause made it appear this he was the reason the Bulls won it all when it was indeed a combined effort of players, coaches, and management.

Good riddance Krause you over ego maniac ;)

[~~ PAL ~~]

Originally posted by MrX
He did a great job putting together the cast. He definetly deserves credit for it. His huge mistake was when he said organizations win championships, not players.

I will never forget that Jerry Krause quote as long as I live. That's why the Bulls are still running the infamous "Triangle offense". -rolleyes- -rolleyes- -rolleyes-

[~~ PAL ~~]

Originally posted by sm8680
Who drafted stacy king, Brad sellers and I recall a few other blunderous drafts. Granted he built/traded for a nice supportting cast. But his ego proved to be to much and in essence I think the Bulls will be better off. Basketball is a team game and all to often Krause made it appear this he was the reason the Bulls won it all when it was indeed a combined effort of players, coaches, and management.

Good riddance Krause you over ego maniac ;)

Let's not forget Jerry Krause chose to go with Jason Caffey instead of Michael Finley because he didn't want to have anything to do with "local kids". -rolleyes- -rolleyes- -rolleyes-

[B.A.]

So are B.J. Armstrong and John Paxson still in the lead to take over the void Krause left behind? (Well, it would take two people to fill a void that size. ;)) Or has anyone heard anything else, besides the Jordan nonsense?

[~~ PAL ~~]

Also, highly doubtful that this would be in the papers, but apparently Krause was asked to leave or get fired, contrary to the medical reasons sited in the Monday press release.

I may seem like a big Krause basher, which I am. ;) But I do give him credit for building the Bulls dynasty during the 90s. However, it's hard to not win a few championships during that time even with the worst NBA executive running the Bulls.

In addition, he has such a bad image (real or not) around the NBA that he couldn't sign any big time free agent. Instead of luring in a Tracy McGrady or Eddie Jones, he got the Bulls a Ron Mercer instead. Right now, the Bulls are still way under the cap because they couldn't get any good free agents. There is no doubt that Jerry was full of himself, and that ultimately led to his demise.

PAL

[~~ PAL ~~]

Originally posted by bahist17
So are B.J. Armstrong and John Paxson still in the lead to take over the void Krause left behind? (Well, it would take two people to fill a void that size. ;)) Or has anyone heard anything else, besides the Jordan nonsense?

Right now those are still the two frontrunners. Plus, it's hard to get anyone else from outside when the Bulls wanted to fill the position within a month. And yes, I'm so glad Jordan will not become the Bulls GM to handle the day-to-day operation as well.

[B.A.]

It will be great to see someone else step in and spend that cap money. I would think now that Krause is gone it will be amazing to see who stops by Chicago this summer during free-agency.

[~~ PAL ~~]

There are still many things that needs addressing before the Bulls franchise can turn the corner. First of all, they still lack veteran leadership. (and no, Jalen Rose is no leader, nor someone you'd want leading your team anyway.) Bill Cartwright is not getting the job done, since this current roster still can't win on the road and lack the committment to play D. Plus, it'll probably take another 1-2 years for the kids to mature. Of course, when all that gets put together, it would already have been Year No. 8 before we see any fruition from Jerry Krause's "5-year Master Plan". -rolleyes- -rolleyes- -rolleyes-

[B.A.]

Originally posted by ~~ PAL ~~
There are still many things that needs addressing before the Bulls franchise can turn the corner. First of all, they still lack veteran leadership. (and no, Jalen Rose is no leader, nor someone you'd want leading your team anyway.) Bill Cartwright is not getting the job done, since this current roster still can't win on the road and lack the committment to play D. Plus, it'll probably take another 1-2 years for the kids to mature. Of course, when all that gets put together, it would already have been Year No. 8 before we see any fruition from Jerry Krause's "5-year Master Plan". -rolleyes- -rolleyes- -rolleyes-
What is this "D" you speak of? ;)

I agree that they need a better player than Jalen Rose to lead this team. He would be a good as the second scoring option, but I would like them to get a more vocal veteran superstar.

I thought Cartwright had been doing a decent job actually - it seems like nobody plays "D" anymore, so I don't necessarily know if I put that on him. Plus he has so many young guys on the roster it might take him a while to teach them how to play "D". Just like you said, a lot of the players still need another year or two to mature, hopefully the defensive aspect of the game will come with it.

[BearFan]

Originally posted by bahist17
I thought Cartwright had been doing a decent job actually - it seems like nobody plays "D" anymore, so I don't necessarily know if I put that on him. Plus he has so many young guys on the roster it might take him a while to teach them how to play "D". Just like you said, a lot of the players still need another year or two to mature, hopefully the defensive aspect of the game will come with it.


I think Cartwright has done a good job given the youth he has. As the season has gone on, both Curry and Chandler are playing tougher and doing a better job on D, they still have a ways to go, but I see improvement and they are both obviously still very young.

[~~ PAL ~~]

Maybe so, and I agree Cartwright shouldn't get all the blame. But, doesn't playing defense has a lot more to do with the attitute and desire and a little less on talent? So, some coaches can really motivate his players to play D at another notch. I just don't see Cartwright as that person.

PAL

[BearFan]

Perhaps, but I do think that with players that should normally still be college Juniors, that type of understanding comes over time. There are very few scorers that come into the NBA that also play great D from college. I am seeing the desire to play D in spots, it needs to be more consistant, but I am not sure how much of that is lack of effort versus lack of skill versus lack of playing knowledge at this level. I'd give Bill another year to see how they continue to progress and see if they can make another leap, they are certainly better this year than last year.