Star Wars Ep III News [mild spoilers]

[Josh-da-man]

http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2003/03/news20030310.html

From the official site.

Have to wonder what two environments from the OT we will be seeing in Ep III.

Dagobagh would be an obvious choice, and Yoda's little mud hut.

The other?

I would say the Lars homestead, but since they mention that one, I doubt it's the other one.

What could it be?

We've already seen Tatooine in both prequels.
The Death Star? Not built yet.
Yavin IV? The rebel base had just moved there in ANH, no? Or is it one that was always there?
Hoth? Don't really see a reason for it?
Dagobagh? Probably.
Bespin? Again, why?
Endor? Please, God, no. Again, no real reason for it, unless they're building Death Star II in orbit.

Yavin IV seems to be the most likely suspect, if only through the process of elimination.

But... the article implies that one of them is from ROTJ. Jabba's palace? Emporer's throne room? Could they be using a concept drawing for the Emporer's throne room that didn't make it ROTJ?

And two new environments? Are we finally going to get the fabled "lava" planet? Since one will be "planet-based," it seems like a possible fit.

And a space-based environment? Got me.

[hogfat]

the article outright states that they're looking at drawings from star wars. so one or both of these are from the first movie. i'm betting on another trip to tatooine. mos eisley cantina and/or obi-wan's dwelling.

[Get Me Coffee]

Dagobagh is dif one of the two!

[bboisvert]

http://theforce.net/episode3/ has pretty conclusively proven that one of the environments is

the bridge of a Star Destroyer

[calhoun07]

Isn't Alderaan already a given?

[Pants]

We also know that Lucas filmed at least one shot in Tunisia of the Lars homestead which was intended to be used in Ep. III

[lesterlong]

I'm pretty sure Tattooine is a given. They always find a reason to go there. Of course the best movie out of the trilogy never had a scene on Tattooine.

[bboisvert]

Originally posted by calhoun07
Isn't Alderaan already a given?

Probably, but that wasn't shown in the OT. (Well, the *planet* was, but no sets or environments or anything.) That can't be what the article is referring to.

I'm guessing that the 2nd one must be Dagobagh. That seems to be the only thing that would make sense.


...and you can also bet dollars to donuts that we're going to see a "fire" planet in this one. We've already had the ice planet, the water planet, the desert planet...

[greatjedi]

I'm going with Dagobah also. Remember when Luke goes there, and says "there's something familiar about this place" etc. I'm guessing Luke was taken there as a baby before being delivered to the Lars family.

[Iron_Giant]

Originally posted by greatjedi
I'm going with Dagobah also. Remember when Luke goes there, and says "there's something familiar about this place" etc. I'm guessing Luke was taken there as a baby before being delivered to the Lars family.
Maybe that is were the Twinns will be born.

How about the Rebels try to destroy the Death Star and fail this time.

[tanman]

Ahhh....good cath GreatJedi and that would be soo cool Iron Giant. Attack the Death star and fail. hmmm.....I always thought it was a little too easy for them to detroy both so "easily"

[Bingo Bongo]

It would be nice if the final act was the capture of the death star plans by the Bothan Spy's.

I like the idea of baby luke visiting Dagobah.

Jez

[Panda Phil]

Am I the only one who's just royally sick and tired of Tatooine? An entire galaxy to play with and George keeps going back there.

Man must have a sand fetish or something. :)

[yecul]

It would be nice if the final act was the capture of the death star plans by the Bothan Spy's.

Well, since there's supposed to be about 20 years between EP3 and EP4 it'd probably be premature.

[caligulathegod]

Originally posted by yecul
Well, since there's supposed to be about 20 years between EP3 and EP4 it'd probably be premature. Yeah, E4 makes it pretty clear that the plans were JUST stolen before we join the action already in progress.

[RoyalTea]

one is "space-based." I hope it's the Millenium Falcon.

[Playitagainsam]

I, for one, am really upset by several facts that Lucas has insisted upon.

It amazes me that nobody criticizes this "30-years gap" betwen the first trilogy and the second as being inadequate. It's too damn short! Here are a couple of reasons:

- the transformation of the Republic into an Empire (including the crystallization of a Rebel faction) would take much longer than 20 years (which is roughly how much we have left between Episode 3 and 4)... Also, the technology is unequal, and in some instances (besides obvious production reasons) seems devolved. This would account for a much longer "dark time" of Imperial domination, not merely two decades.

- Obi-Wan... A very important character ages TOO quickly! I mean, in Episode 1 he's just becoming a full Jedi (let's say for the sake of the argument that he is 30, although that is a bit too much. No matter.) And then, in Episode 4, his hair is completely white, and he says things like "I'm too old for this sort of things"... while Vader taunts him as "weakened"... what, a Jedi is too old and decrepit at 60 ? That's an awful short "productive" time, is it not?

There are many other mistakes, but this "time compression" is the one that is most obvious to me.

And by the way, doesn't anyone else think that the whole notion of "electing a Queen" is totally idiotic? I guess Lucas really wanted to clarify his stance on the matter ("republic good, feudalism bad")

[caligulathegod]

Not only that but electing 14 year old girls as queen. What is their election like? "She's done well on her floor exercise program and vault, so if she can nail the balance beam and uneven parallel bars and finish ahead of the other 14 year old girls, then she will be elected queen and rule our planet."

[Joe Schmoe]

Bingo Bongo,

We know Bothan spies stole the plans for the second Death Star in Return of the Jedi, but we don't know who stole the plans for the first Death Star. It could have been Bothans, of course, but if Bothans stole the plans the first time, wouldn't the Empire have gotten a clue and prevented the same spies from stealing the plans the second time around? I would hope so.

[Rypro 525]

Maybe Obi Won maybe gave up with his jedi training between 3 and 4.

[Joe Schmoe]

We don't know what the lifespan is for humans in this galaxy far, far away, so maybe electing 14-year-old girls queen is not so weird in their world. We've had rulers that young here on Earth like King Tut. Okay, maybe he wasn't elected, but the point is his countrymen didn't hold the position of pharaoh for him until he turned 18 or 21. They let him rule at 13.

Maybe their lifespan is shorter than ours, and that would explain why Obi-Wan has totally white hair in A New Hope, or maybe he went grey prematurely. I know people who started to go grey in their 30s, and by the time they were in their 50s they were totally white. Maybe a human Jedi who's 50 or 60 really IS old and decrepid in their world, or maybe Obi-Wan had spent the latter years of his life as a couch potato and knew he wasn't in any kind of shape to rescue a princess or delivery stolen plans.

[Josh-da-man]

Yeah, the time compression has always sort of bugged me.

It's like, in Ep. I, Obi Wan is about twenty years old.

Then, Ep. II/III takes place about ten years later. That would make him thirty.

Now, how much time passes between III and IV? We can assume it's between sixteen and twenty years, considering Luke's apparent age in IV.

Which would make Obi Wan about fifty and Anakin forty in IV. Looking at them, it seems off by about ten-fifteen years.

Probably best not to think too hard about it.

Like the Death Star, and the effect gravity would have on it. Not to mention the sheer amount of raw natural resources it would take to build it. Why would, what is essentially a big gun, need an entire artificial planet built around it?

[Captain Harlock]

I've read in different places, most notably the Star Wars encyclopedia, that Luke is supposed to be about 19 years old in Ep. 4. Obi Wan was supposed to be about 21 maybe 25 at the most in Ep. 1. Fast forward ten years to Episode 2, which makes him about 31-35 and it makes Anakin 19. Two years is supposed to pass in the Clone Wars (but perhaps it's going to be longer). Luke and Leia are concieved and 9 months later are born and seperated. Also about that time Palpatine would sieze control of the Republic. Luke grows up in the ninteen years that pass between Eps. 3 and 4. Ninteen years seems like it would be a good amount of time to organize a resistance movement. That means at most Obi Wan Kenobi would 60-65. Sixty five might be where you'd say you're getting a little long in the tooth to be traipsing across the galaxy.

My head hurts. Let's not worry about this too much.

[Calculon]

RE: Ben Kenobi/OB1 aging question.

Well CLONES (eg Dolly the sheep) age faster due to cell deterioration.

[Bingo Bongo]

Originally posted by Captain Harlock
That means at most Obi Wan Kenobi would 60-65. Sixty five might be where you'd say you're getting a little long in the tooth to be traipsing across the galaxy.


I dont know, Yoda seems to do OK at 850 ish!

Jez

[Brewc]

Bothans stole the plans for the first Death Star plans, mentioned numerous times in books.

[Josh-da-man]

Bothans make good spies because nobody knows what they look like.

[Zodo]

Originally posted by Josh-da-man
Why would, what is essentially a big gun, need an entire artificial planet built around it?

The Death Star is NOT a 'big gun', it's an entire space station. It houses probably millions of troops and thousands of ships. Yes, the planet distroying gun is a major part of the death star...but it's more than just that.


Oh yeah, and anyone who reads extended universe stuff knows what a Bothan looks like. They look like large dingo's, standing on 2 feet.