Just got done watching all 3 of the Godfather Collection, have some questions.

[wb3032]

I finally bought the Godfather Collection and watched it for the first time toda, started early this moring and just got done. The movies where just as good as everybody told me, I really enjoyed 1&2. Everyone said that 3 wasn't to great and I think that is true. 3 seemed more like a made for TV movie, it didn't even come close to the other two. Here is some questions. What happen to the Robert Duval character form part two to part three, did he die durning that 15 years? An Orange was shown alot in all three of these movies, the camera would always zero in on an orange rather it was being sold at a market or on the table or when Vito died he had one in his mouth. Did the orange have any other value or meaning to this film other than being and orange or am I looking to deep into this. last one In the last seen when Micheal passes away in the chair, in that supposed to be present day (1990)? and was he in Italy?
Thanks

[joefrog91]

In reality, Robert Duvall wanted too much money and they wrote him out of the script. That's the same reason Richard Castellano (Clemenza) was written out of the script for GF II.

In GF III, nothing is directly mentioned that I remember. It's just inferred I think.

Here's a great website for everything you'll ever want to know about the Godfather movies. TheGodfatherTrilogy.com (http://www.jgeoff.com/godfather/)

[LBPound]

I think there's a very brief moment saying that Duvall's character passed away. His nephew or something is in Pt III, and they say "Too bad Tom couldn't see you..." become a priest or something. I forget, but I asked about that question when I first saw the film, and that's what I was told and it mildly rung a bell.

I don't remember much about the film except Pacino talking about "Immobiliare" in the smokey, raspy '90s Pacino voice.

[LBPound]

As for Part III ending

Michael's death, I think it could be 1990, though I don't believe it's necessary. It's just really to show that he died peacefully of natural causes after a life of living in threat and seeing all those he loved around him having their lives cut short.

Probably the best minute of Part III. :D

[LivingINClip]

I am in the minority, but I thought part 3 was actually a decent installment. I think having Sophia casted hurt the movie (If only Wyonna Ryder could of pulled thru!). Other than that, I thought the movie tied up a lot of loose ends and portrayed Michael's character in his older age rather well.

*shrugs*
To each his own.

[siberianhusky]

Originally posted by LivingINClip
I am in the minority, but I thought part 3 was actually a decent installment. I think having Sophia casted hurt the movie (If only Wyonna Ryder could of pulled thru!). Other than that, I thought the movie tied up a lot of loose ends and portrayed Michael's character in his older age rather well.

*shrugs*
To each his own. Well, I'm with ya I also liked part III, I didn't find anything wrong with it. Its hard to compare it to part II which might be the best movie ever made and the original is in the top 20. So if you don't hold it to those standards, its a great movie.

[WiccanPagan]

Originally posted by siberianhusky
Well, I'm with ya I also liked part III, I didn't find anything wrong with it. Its hard to compare it to part II which might be the best movie ever made and the original is in the top 20. So if you don't hold it to those standards, its a great movie.the first time around i was with you guys. i thought 3 was so far surpassing the other 2 that people claiming 1 was the best movie was utter lunacy. i was wrong. my tables have turned. my favorites are now 2 1 3. however, i only make fun of 3 in reference to the other 2. i do think it is a decent movie that had incredibly poor casting with regard to sophia and bad acting with regard to everything between opening and closing credits :D

[The Nature Boy]

If you liked the films, check the commentaries. They get progressively better with each film, and three is a must see commentary, as much of the rushed production is delayed, and clearly the elements were there for greatness, but it was entirely too rushed to get Paramount a big Christmas payout. Coppola is very blunt in discussing all the usual critques, and is frank in assessing the film and lamenting how it could have been a contender, and admiting Sophia was overmatched.

As for the oranges, this was among the dissppointments of this. We knew for 30 years or so that Oranges fortold doom(and we extend to orange juice in part III as Michael slips into a coma after drinking OJ). What was the deep meaning, what was the epihpany about these wholesome citrus fruits? Basically, Coppola says they fortell doom. So much for getting deep.

Ryder and Duvall would have made Part III completely different movies, as the Hagen/Hamilton role and Mary Corleone's were both scaled back in post. I hated Andy Garcia initally, but after a recent viewing, I really started to come around on him. I do hope we come back for one more ride, and Coppola puts the appropriate Coda on the greatest film series ever(take that LOTR and Star Wars geeks)/

[JoeyOhhhh]

Check the last disc of supplements from the set, it will clue you in on when the ending for 3 takes place.

[wb3032]

Thanks fellas

[conscience]

Oranges = Violence

[WiccanPagan]

Originally posted by conscience
Oranges = Violence i don't doubt this (as i remember oranges during many violent scenes) but where did you get this? and is there any reason why oranges?

[JoeyOhhhh]

From IMDb:
The presence of oranges in all three "Godfather" movies indicates that a death or a close call will soon happen. The Senator is framed for murder after playing with oranges at the Corleone house, and Johnny Ola brings and orange into Michael's office before the attempt on Michael's life. Fanucci eats an orange just before he is gunned down and Michael is eating an orange (it looks like an apple, but it is an orange) while plotting to kill Roth.

An interesting note, in Sopranos season four: When Ralphie comes back from Florida, he brings Tony back a bag full of oranges. Coincidence??

[Dr. DVD]

If you listen to the commentary track on GF III, Coppola pretty much nixed the idea of IV when Mario Puzo passed away. However, he does provide insight concerning what IV was going to be about and it is a shame he never got to make it as it would have tied everything together somewhat. He does state that the Michael we see at the end of III is supposed to be many years past the incident of Mary's death. The year itself is never clear but that scene would have been a rather important part of IV, which was going to more or less mirror II in how it played out with flashbacks to the 40s and the coming of age tale of Sonny.

[conscience]

Also in The Sopranos (season 1)

Tony buys orange juice before a botched assassination attempt by two black men paid by Uncle Junior.