Posted: 12:26 p.m. EST February 21, 2003
Updated: 12:45 p.m. EST February 21, 2003
A substitute teacher in Lawrence, Mass., was fired after she reportedly taped several students' mouths shut to silence her classroom, according to police.
Police said the teacher, Newman Montilla, apparently taped some of the mouths herself when the class at the Bruce School became unruly. She also allegedly had other students' tape some student's mouths with tape, Local 6 News reported.
"She put one right there and another right there, two pieces and I didn't like tape put on my mouth," student Selena Rosario said.
The teacher's disciplinary tactic was discovered by a secretary who noticed a child walking in the hall with tape on her mouth, according to the Local 6 News report.
"Apparently, one of the students had left the classroom with tape on her mouth and one of the school officials observed that. Subsequently, someone went into the class and observed other kids in the classroom with tape over their mouths and took appropriate action at that point," Lawrence Police Chief John Romero said.
Assistant Superintendent Mary Lou Bergeron said that the incident was an "abuse of authority.''
Montilla was removed immediately and parents were contacted.
You know I'm not a parent or anything, but I think if I was, I would tell my kids what is acceptable teacher behavior and what is not. In this case, if a teacher were to try this or some other odd behavior on my child, I would tell my child to tell the teacher (sub or not) that what they are doing is wrong and that they wanted to go to the principals office.
And what's with her name being 'Newman'? Sounds like a bad Seinfeld joke.
Chris
Bandoman
02-21-03, 04:03 PM
"She put one right there and another right there, two pieces and I didn't like tape put on my mouth," student Selena Rosario said.
Awwww, poor Selena didn't like it.
This was probably a bad judgment call, but it's tough for a sub to get control over an unruly class.
Ranger
02-21-03, 04:06 PM
CALL THE PLICE!!!!
AND
COCHRAN!!!!!!
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!
jdodd
02-21-03, 04:06 PM
Off-topic -- mrpayroll, did you used to live in Orlando? You seem to get a lot of news stories from the local6.com site. Just curious. :)
mrpayroll
02-21-03, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by jdodd
Off-topic -- mrpayroll, did you used to live in Orlando? You seem to get a lot of news stories from the local6.com site. Just curious. :)
Nah, I've lived in Los Angeles my whole life, for 42 years. I just found that the local6.com site is great for interesting news, plus their format to copy and paste is a lot easier than msnbc.com. :)
Chris
p.s. and thanx for not ignoring me ;)
Red Dog
02-21-03, 04:29 PM
Selena probably deserved it. ;) After all, substitutes take so much abuse from students. :D
Bechman 2000
02-21-03, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Red Dog
Selena probably deserved it. ;) After all, substitutes take so much abuse from students. :D
We made ours cry in seventh grade. We were shooting spitwads at the screen during a movie. He couldn't take it when he was blatantly asking us to stop and we basically ignored him. I feel bad now, but man was that funny to see a grown man cry.
rabbit77
02-21-03, 05:03 PM
they can't do that anymore? I got my mouth taped before in grade school. Big whoop. Now if she stapled them shut, that's another thing.
das Monkey
02-21-03, 05:04 PM
Teachers are fired for putting tape on some unruly jerks' mouths, yet parents go in an uproar if you suspend a child for stabbing a teacher with a pencil. It's not enough that teachers get paid no money and no support from the goverment, but add to that the imbalance between what action they can take and what they are forced to put up with, and it's no wonder America's youth is profoundly stupid.
das
Surf Monkey
02-21-03, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by rabbit77
they can't do that anymore? I got my mouth taped before in grade school. Big whoop. Now if she stapled them shut, that's another thing.
Me too. Seemed like a joke at the time. Didn't feel wronged, just that my teacher was super lame.
mrpayroll
02-21-03, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Surf Monkey
Me too. Seemed like a joke at the time. Didn't feel wronged, just that my teacher was super lame.
I don't think that this is discipline, but just a way to embarrass and humiliate the student. Why in my day (60's), I was sent to the principals office and given 10 swats on the ass, for being a wiseass. After about the tenth trip, I got the idea!
Chris
tha_dvd_man
02-21-03, 05:47 PM
When I was a senior in high school I was taking this MAJOR bullsh class on electricity and circuits, and it seems every Friday or so we would have the same substitute who was incredibly fun to screw with- Mr. Campbell. One friday, towards the end of the year, he fell asleep on a chair with wheels. A couple friends and I rolled him into a little nearby caged-off area of the lab, locked him in it, and then everybody left the classroom and went home. It was also the last period, on a Friday, so I don't know how long he was in there.
Ahh, good times......we really tortured our substitutes. Looking back I feel sorry for them, especially in junior high. They have it rough. Both my parents were subsititutes for junior high classes in their 20s and they say it was pure hell.
Tuan Jim
02-22-03, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
I don't think that this is discipline, but just a way to embarrass and humiliate the student. Why in my day (60's), I was sent to the principals office and given 10 swats on the ass, for being a wiseass. After about the tenth trip, I got the idea!
Chris
I guess it's true what they say, everything was slower back in the 60's.
Tuan Jim
djones6746
02-22-03, 09:39 AM
Maybe the parents of these children should teach them to keep their mouths shut while in class......
I think it is a joke that Principles cannot even give an unruly student a swat....had a couple of those in my day and do not see anything wrong with it.
jw2299
02-22-03, 10:53 AM
This is such crap. Parents of these kids need to take some responsibility. :mad:
mrpayroll
02-22-03, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Tuan Jim
I guess it's true what they say, everything was slower back in the 60's.
Tuan Jim
Well yes, when I was in 2nd grade I could walk to school by myself, about 1/2 mile and this was in the heart of Los Angeles. Now I wouldn't even walk there during the day. So my heart goes out to all the kids today that are afraid to go to school.
Chris
tasha99
02-22-03, 11:31 AM
Scotch tape--weird, but okay. Sub should just be told some parents think it's offensive and not to do it again.
Duct tape--Ummm. . . a little to much. Fire the sub.
tasha
AGuyNamedMike
02-22-03, 11:52 AM
Tape?!?! The teacher got in trouble over tape?!?! Friggin' kids can dish it out but not take it. Wussies. Victorian England had it right, workhouses for all children. Little bastages. [/rant]
mrpayroll
05-20-03, 04:05 PM
http://www.nbc4.tv/education/2216731/detail.html
LAUSD Investigates Incident
POSTED: 11:57 a.m. PDT May 20, 2003
UPDATED: 12:51 p.m. PDT May 20, 2003
LOS ANGELES -- An investigation continued Tuesday into allegations that a substitute teacher at a Montecito Heights elementary school disciplined eight first-graders by putting duct tape across their mouths.
The alleged incident occurred last Thursday at Huntington Drive Elementary School, principal Susan Saenz said in a letter sent Tuesday to parents.
"This kind of action is not tolerated by our school, nor by the Los Angeles Unified School District, and we are taking the appropriate actions," Saenz wrote. "Our primary concern is always the safety and well being of our students."
A Los Angeles police detective will question students, monitored by a school administrator, Saenz said.
One parent told reporters that that his 7-year-old son was among the eight students.
"The principal ... today disclosed to us that the substitute also informed (the students) that if they didn't behave, she would tie them up by their wrists with rope," the parent said. The name of the teacher was not immediately released.
Finally LA's getting with the times! This substitute teacher must have read the earlier story on DVDTalk.com :) What is it about substitute teachers?
Chris
Otto
05-20-03, 04:08 PM
If the parents can't teach their child to STFU, then the parents should STFU themselves. I have no problem with the tape thing. The rope threat is a bit much, admittedly.
El Scorcho
05-20-03, 04:10 PM
The only substitute teachers that ever got any respect were the uber-hot 23 year old just-out-of-college ones that had perky hoohahs.
Bandoman
05-20-03, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by El Scorcho
The only substitute teachers that ever got any respect were the uber-hot 23 year old just-out-of-college ones that had perky hoohahs.
Yeah, I BEGGED them to tape me up, but they would never do it. :(
mrpayroll
05-20-03, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Bandoman
Yeah, I BEGGED them to tape me up, but they would never do it. :(
:lol:
Chris
Breakfast with Girls
05-20-03, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by tha_dvd_man
When I was a senior in high school I was taking this MAJOR bullsh class on electricity and circuits, and it seems every Friday or so we would have the same substitute who was incredibly fun to screw with- Mr. Campbell. One friday, towards the end of the year, he fell asleep on a chair with wheels. A couple friends and I rolled him into a little nearby caged-off area of the lab, locked him in it, and then everybody left the classroom and went home. It was also the last period, on a Friday, so I don't know how long he was in there.
Wow. I mean, we were bastards too, but... wow. That's really cruel.
kvrdave
05-20-03, 04:54 PM
SO LAME. I guess I don't even think the sub should ahve been reprimanded. After the first kid got tape on their mouth did the rest not understand how to prevent it from happening to them? They just pushed it.
I wonder why public education in America is supposedly going downhill?
Autotelik
05-20-03, 05:08 PM
When I was in 3rd grade, a student wouldn't stop cussing in class, even after the teacher threatened to wash his mouth with soap. Sure enough.... after the student continued to use bad words, the teacher dragged the student to the sink, grabbed a bar of soap, and started rinsing his mouth.
Noone in class used bad words after that incident. I thought it was well justified.
mrpayroll
05-20-03, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Autotelik
When I was in 3rd grade, a student wouldn't stop cussing in class, even after the teacher threatened to wash his mouth with soap. Sure enough.... after the student continued to use bad words, the teacher dragged the student to the sink, grabbed a bar of soap, and started rinsing his mouth.
Noone in class used bad words after that incident. I thought it was well justified.
Ahhh, those were the days ;)
This had to have happened before 1970, am I correct?
Chris
Sherbz
05-20-03, 06:14 PM
While I agree that discipline is necessary, I think duct taping first graders' mouths a bit excessive.
Autotelik
05-20-03, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
Ahhh, those were the days ;)
This had to have happened before 1970, am I correct?
Chris
:) Close. Actually in the early 80s. Seems a long time ago already.
POSTED: 11:57 a.m. PDT May 20, 2003
UPDATED: 8:26 p.m. PDT May 20, 2003
LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles substitute teacher has been accused of using tape to close the mouths of eight first-graders so they would stay quiet.
"Some kids were talking, but I wasn't, but she just put tape on me," said Brandon Gutierrez, who said it hurt when she put that tape on and that it was hard for him to breathe.
L.A. Unified School District spokeswoman Susan Cox says police will investigate the alleged actions at Huntington Drive Elementary School on May 15th.
Cox says the parent of a child in the classroom brought the matter to school authorities. School principal Susan Saenz says 20 students in the classroom later confirmed the allegation to her.
"I was furious, like and parent would be. I don't even lay a hand on my kids. For somebody to come along and tape their mouths shut -- that's outrageous," said Michael Dorado, whose sons mouth was taped shut.
The school district is awaiting the result of a police investigation to decide whether it will take any disciplinary action against the unidentified teacher.
Cox says the substitute works on a temporary basis for the district.
"Our substitutes we generally know very well. Sometimes... you have people who do inappropriate things and then we take care of it from there," said a district spokeswoman.
Police officers are planning to interview everyone involved at 8:00 a.m. Wednesday morning.
Well there's the problem. One parent said he doesn't lay a hand on his kids. So that must mean that he never spanked them when they were bad? So they are probably out of control kids, who kept talking in class.
Chris
Pharoh
05-21-03, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by mrpayroll
Well there's the problem. One parent said he doesn't lay a hand on his kids. So that must mean that he never spanked them when they were bad? So they are probably out of control kids, who kept talking in class.
Chris
:hscratch:
Only children who are corporally disciplined can be well behaved? I'm pretty sure that is not what you are saying, but to make the link that you are missed completely who is to blame in this case, and may be totally wrong.
mrpayroll
05-21-03, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
:hscratch:
Only children who are corporally disciplined can be well behaved? I'm pretty sure that is not what you are saying, but to make the link that you are missed completely who is to blame in this case, and may be totally wrong.
What am saying is, in this day and age, timeouts and just telling your kids that they are misbehaving just doesn't work. Parents need to properly discipline their kids. Properly spanking them gives them notice that the parent is seriously disappointed in their behavior.
Too many times, parents don't properly discipline their children and the children get worse and the parents get more and more frustrated and then that's when the parents starts hitting them, punching them, kicking them. Get my drift?
So what this teacher did is wrong, I've said that before. But it always comes back to the parents and proper discipline. I've seen what happens when there is no proper discipline in kids when they are young. They grow up in to teenagers, start having a sense of being independent and when their parent, who has not properly disciplined them in the past, tries to discipline them, they just laugh in their face and then the parent out of frustration, hits, punches, twists body parts, etc., just to inflict pain and suffering and not discpline.
Chris
Pharoh
05-21-03, 01:05 PM
Not using physical punishment works very well for me. Granted I don't just give a 5 minute timeout and then talk flowery about how what my kids did was wrong, but I don't use hitting. In fact, I know for certain that the most misbehaved children in my sons' classes do receive spankings, it does not work.
I do agree with you that discipline must start early, be consistently enforced regardless of the inconvenience, and the consequences must carried to their conclusion. Many parents don't do this. I just disagree as to what the nature of that discipline must be. Also note that I am not against parents spanking their children if it works for them. I don't have the need for it however.
mrpayroll
05-21-03, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Pharoh
Not using physical punishment works very well for me. Granted I don't just give a 5 minute timeout and then talk flowery about how what my kids did was wrong, but I don't use hitting. In fact, I know for certain that the most misbehaved children in my sons' classes do receive spankings, it does not work.
I do agree with you that discipline must start early, be consistently enforced regardless of the inconvenience, and the consequences must carried to their conclusion. Many parents don't do this. I just disagree as to what the nature of that discipline must be. Also note that I am not against parents spanking their children if it works for them. I don't have the need for it however.
Well that's great that it works for you and your children. You are one of the lucky few I believe. In a perfect world children would be respectful of their parents and the parents would only have to let them know that they are disappointed in their behavior and that alone would correct their child's behavior. But as you know, we don't live in a perfect world.
Of course, I don't speak as a parent, and I'm sure it's a lot more difficult than I make it out to be. But, when that time comes, I know how I will discipline my child. But I would hope that I would have a close enough relationship with my child, that they would respect me, so that only a talk would be sufficient enough.
Kindergarten Teacher Accused Of Duct-Taping Student To Seat
Instructor Could Face Disciplinary Hearing
UPDATED: 10:37 AM EST December 1, 2004
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A Columbus Public Schools kindergarten teacher was placed on paid leave and could face a disciplinary hearing after she was accused of duct-taping a student to her seat.
The alleged incident occurred Nov. 23 at Southwood Elementary School, NBC 4 reported.
The student's mother said that her daughter was disobedient and the duct tape was used to subdue her, NBC 4 reported.
The child was not physically hurt, but district officials told NBC 4 that using duct tape on a student is inappropriate and in direct violation of school policies.
Franklin County Children Services is also investigating, NBC 4 reported.
Don't these people read the threads that I post? :lol:
Chris
Otto
12-01-04, 02:21 PM
Holy old thread, Batman!
tdirgins
12-01-04, 02:48 PM
What's with all the duct tape in these classrooms? I saw a lot of paste and Dick and Jane books, but I never saw a roll of duct tape! :lol:
brizz
12-01-04, 03:08 PM
when I was in 5th grade we tortured some substitute and made her cry and she actually left early and the principal had to come to our room for the last hour. When our regular teacher came back she ripped us a new one, took away a field trip, and made us sit there silent for an entire day. she was furious, but even more devastating: "Disappointed" in us. That sucked. Boy were we assholes to that poor lady.
Without knowing what brought the sub to do that, I have a hard time being too upset about it...even if it was my kid. substitutes have a thankless job. It can be brutal.
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