NEWS!! Only One Villain in Spider-Man 2

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Only One Villain in Spider-Man 2
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:29 CST

The Philadelphia News spoke to Marvel Studios' Avi Arad who said to expect only one villain in Spider-Man 2...

"Spider-Man II" (May 2004) - Reportedly, the story has Peter and Mary Jane dealing with college. While Arad would not reveal the villain, he said speculation that it will be classic Spidey foe Doctor Octopus was "in the ballpark" and that there will almost definitely be only one main villain, not two as some have speculated.

Looks like we'll have to wait for The Lizard in other possible sequels.
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Well I guess this is a good thing. 1) You don't want to over saturate the story with 2 villains. 2.) Staying away from the Batman formula!

I completely agree of not using the Lizard. How would you begin to combine those two villains?

With that being said, I do wish they use some kind of super henchmen such as Shocker, Rhino, Sandman etc. We don’t need any background story for them other than they are hired help to kill Spidey!

[tanman]

Hmmm...interesting. I definately think that Doc Oc is a good enough character to go solo. But I agree that they could have him higher a hench man that doesn't have much character to him like whiteknight said. Shocker and Rhino both would make excellent hench men.

Who was part of the sinister six?

[Dr. DVD]

Will there be any Black Cat?

Only one villain is good IMO. Batman was always too top heavy in those areas.

[yecul]

Another agree from me. One main villain, one henchman. Simple and allows you to flesh them out adequately.

Not sure if I want to see Black Cat in there or not. Might be too much having him develop his relationship with MJ AND meet the Cat...

But, they pulled the first one off just fine, so I'm not too worried.

[Blaster1]

I want Venom! Hopefully he will be in part 3.

[_tony_]

i definetly think one villian is a good idea. as far as henchmens go i think i remember reading somewhere that they wanted to include the Kraven character in the movie somehow. i also heard that the kid that played donnie darko, forget his real name, is gonna make a cameo as the person who eventually becomes carnage, possibly laying the groundwork for the villian in the third flick.

[Iron_Giant]

I am buying my tickets online right now, I want to be the 1st in line.

[Tom Banjo]

Originally posted by Blaster1
I want Venom! Hopefully he will be in part 3.

I'd personally like to see a movie with Venom (and Carnage) myself, but I doubt that'd ever happen. If they were in it, the origins of both would have to be completely changed. There's just too much story to tell to have Spiderman go into space (along with the copyright issues of having all those other characters like the X-Men) to fight in the Secret Wars, and get the black symbiotic suit that joins with Eddie Brock to become Venom.


... God, I'm such a geek.

[PixyJunket]

The villian will be the soundtrack. :D

[Tarantino]

Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I'd personally like to see a movie with Venom (and Carnage) myself, but I doubt that'd ever happen. If they were in it, the origins of both would have to be completely changed. There's just too much story to tell to have Spiderman go into space (along with the copyright issues of having all those other characters like the X-Men) to fight in the Secret Wars, and get the black symbiotic suit that joins with Eddie Brock to become Venom.


... God, I'm such a geek.

Agreed, but they'd probably change it. Don't forget the whole 'cosmic powers' storyline as well.

[Get Me Coffee]

I've heard that Venom and Carnage might be used in Spidey 3. However, the origin for Venom most likely will be changed...maybe to something like Ultimate Spiderman.

[Tom Banjo]

Originally posted by White Knight
I've heard that Venom and Carnage might be used in Spidey 3. However, the origin for Venom most likely will be changed...maybe to something like Ultimate Spiderman.

I haven't read a Spiderman book since sometime in the mid-90's, so I'm a bit rusy on the Ultimate storylines, although I do know of them. What is Venom's origin according to the new revamp now?

[yecul]

I remember the Spiderman cartoon. They basically just had it come from space -- attached to a shuttle, but easily could be a meteor or the like. The Secret Wars setup introduced it as a simple alien entity, no real background. Shouldn't be tough to think of something else.

I hope Kravan isn't in the second movie. He's too complex a character to gloss over and not powerful enough to be threatening enough as a henchman. Doc Oc + Sandman would be a good pairing.

[Awwjwah]

Originally posted by tanman
Hmmm...interesting. I definately think that Doc Oc is a good enough character to go solo. But I agree that they could have him higher a hench man that doesn't have much character to him like whiteknight said. Shocker and Rhino both would make excellent hench men.

Who was part of the sinister six?

The sinsiter six, if I recall correctly, were Doc Ock, Sandman, Electro, Kraven the Hunter, Mysterio, and the Vulture.

They were the original group.

granted I would like to see venom as much as anyone, I think the best move for the company, and the movie series is stay as true to the comics as possible. These six did not just appear teamed up to bash spidey, they joined forces due to their hate for him from dealing with him over and over again. I think the movies need to stayt true to that. The first movie was great due to keeping true to it's roots minus a few changes. Don't mess with a good working formula.

AS much as I like Doc Ock or any other I think the best next baddie for Spidey is the lizard. There is already a reference to Doctor Connors in the first movie, Peter tells Harry Connors fired him, so you have some ground work that Connors already exists and doesn't just appear out of nowhere. Granted in most of the comics, baddies did just come out of nowhere so it would still work.

As far as I am concerned as long as they keep it similiar to teh first, they will have a winner. With Spideys background covered, that means 2+ hours of action in place of back filling. I can't wait.

[Awwjwah]

Originally posted by yecul
I remember the Spiderman cartoon. They basically just had it come from space -- attached to a shuttle, but easily could be a meteor or the like. The Secret Wars setup introduced it as a simple alien entity, no real background. Shouldn't be tough to think of something else.

I hope Kravan isn't in the second movie. He's too complex a character to gloss over and not powerful enough to be threatening enough as a henchman. Doc Oc + Sandman would be a good pairing.

If you are refering to Spideys black Alien Symboite suit, he got that during the Secret wars in the comic when he was teleported out into space, sans costume. The alien symboite then read peter's mind, offered itself up as a costume and then it started trying to bond with him. Upon being rejected by spidey it went with his old high school nemesis due to once again, mutual hatred of peter/spidey.


As for Kraven, he was a stand alone baddie who was always after better and better prey. Spidey was the next logical course after killing normal people. When he failed he went crazy and killed himself and was repalced in the sin six by hobgoblin.

[Awwjwah]

Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I'd personally like to see a movie with Venom (and Carnage) myself, but I doubt that'd ever happen. If they were in it, the origins of both would have to be completely changed. There's just too much story to tell to have Spiderman go into space (along with the copyright issues of having all those other characters like the X-Men) to fight in the Secret Wars, and get the black symbiotic suit that joins with Eddie Brock to become Venom.


... God, I'm such a geek.

Well Tom. Geek here too. Personally, as long as they keep making them like the first movie I will go see the entire comic series converted to film. Tell the whole story and they will get my $8 every time.

BTW, I apologize to anyone bothered by my multiple posts in a row. I always hated grouping answers to multiple posts in one big 10 page long post.

[tanman]

Originally posted by yecul
I remember the Spiderman cartoon. They basically just had it come from space -- attached to a shuttle, but easily could be a meteor or the like. The Secret Wars setup introduced it as a simple alien entity, no real background. Shouldn't be tough to think of something else.

I hope Kravan isn't in the second movie. He's too complex a character to gloss over and not powerful enough to be threatening enough as a henchman. Doc Oc + Sandman would be a good pairing.


I thought that this was very well done. It gave enough back story in a half hour cartoon. I think that they could do it. But, the villain might be to "farfetched" for the general public. The green goblin was much more of a "believable" character.

[lwhy?]

I prefer one villian also. I don't like the idea of having the black cat. It seems too Batman Returns for me. She's like a catwoman and you don't know whose side she is on. Instead of having her be one of spidey's love interest, you could have Betty Brant. They have already introduced her in the first movie. They should recast the character though. Kristin Kreuk would make a great Betty Brant IMHO. The thing I love about spiderman is that he is a "normal" person with superpowers. He has fiancial troubles and he has women troubles. I would like to see more of this in the sequel. I don't know who they should cast as Dr. Octopus if they use him or Lizard if they use him for the one villian.

[Amadeus]

Originally posted by lwhy?
I prefer one villian also.
Me too. :up:

[Aaron Amos]

Well at least they are not doing two villians like the Batman movies.

[mytzplyx]

Originally posted by Tom Banjo
I'd personally like to see a movie with Venom (and Carnage) myself, but I doubt that'd ever happen. If they were in it, the origins of both would have to be completely changed. There's just too much story to tell to have Spiderman go into space (along with the copyright issues of having all those other characters like the X-Men) to fight in the Secret Wars, and get the black symbiotic suit that joins with Eddie Brock to become Venom.


... God, I'm such a geek.

damn, CGI on that would be killer if they did it right. Imagine all that black and red going around. Itd be like Terminator 2 on speed, and then some.

[Get Me Coffee]

Do you think Venom would be totally CGI?

[Get Me Coffee]

<b><i>Molina Cast as Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2?
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:32 CST

Coming Attractions has a follow-up to the rumor that actor Alfred Molina was offered the role of villain Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. According to the site, Molina has now accepted the offer and signed to star in the sequel. Sony Pictures could not be reached for comment on this.

Molina can be seen in the great-looking Identity, also from Sony Pictures, on April 25. For a look at Molina's complete filmography, click here.

We'll be awaiting either confirmation or denial from the studio on this one. Let us know what you think of this possible casting on the SHH! Boards. Thanks to 'Internapse', 'JJ', 'Hurricane', 'Joker7', 'Sam Central', 'JD' and 'Pool' for the heads up.
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[Patman]

Is this for real? Alfred Molina? (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Molina,+Alfred)

[Amadeus]

Originally posted by Patman
Is this for real? Alfred Molina? (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Molina,+Alfred)
Alfred Molina WTF? :confused:

[kevin75]

the fact that there will be only one villian is great news!! one of the biggest things i felt hurt the batman series was the fact that they tried to cram in waaaayyyy too many big name characters.

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Patman
Is this for real? Alfred Molina? (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Molina,+Alfred)


Look like it might be true...

[JoeyOhhhh]

I like Molina's character in Maverick.

Better than having Elton John playing Doc Ock.

[Get Me Coffee]

I think he's better than having Sam Neill also

[Groucho]

"Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip!"

[Breakfast with Girls]

What about Green Goblin II? Raimi spent a lot of time setting up that plotline for the future.

It would be easy to have Venom in Spider-Man 3 -- just introduce the alien entity at the last minute or so of Spidey 2, then open Spidey 3 with him wearing the suit with no explanation. Get people who aren't up on the backstory curious. Reveal what happened a bit into the movie.

Carnage would have to be his own movie, maybe Spider-Man 4, if it gets that far along in the series. I say he needs his own movie because 3 would have to set up a brief backstory on the suit, Peter would have to reject it, it would have to find Brock, and finally the actual plot would have to start with Venom.

Also, Carnage was such a dangerous force that Spider-Man on his own couldn't stop him -- he had to enlist the help of Venom. So 4 would open with Brock being released after the symbiote finds him, the symbiote leaving something behind that finds Kasady (Carnage), and Carnage being created. Venom and Spidey fight but upon the realization that Carnage is a complete and total psychopath (whereas Venom can at least be reasoned with), the two team up against Spidey's biggest threat yet.

[caligulathegod]

The problem with the Batman films wasn't too many villains, it was just bad filmmaking. Can anyone say with a straight face the only thing wrong with Batman and Robin was "too many villains"?

[Dr. DVD]

Hate to say this to all you Venom fans, but Raimi himself has stated that he never understood the appeal of the character and doubts he will ever pop up in a Spider-Man film on his watch.

[Get Me Coffee]

The appeal? He's 'like' spidey but bad!

[darkflounder]

How about a crossover movie! Spiderman vs X-Men vs The Hulk vs Daredevil. 6 hour movie, with all of those stars! I just want to see Wolverine beat the crap out of Ben Affleck.

/geekasm!

[Get Me Coffee]

You know that would be sweet! The studios should all form a joint venture and have a ultimate cross-over movie!

[Get Me Coffee]

<b> <i>OFFICIAL: Alfred Molina IS Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2!!
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:09 CST

Sony Pictures has just provided Superhero Hype! with the official press release announcing that Alfred Molina will play Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. Let us know what you think about the casting on the SHH! Boards. Here we go!

COLUMBIA PICTURES CATCHES ALFRED MOLINA AS VILLAINOUS "DOC OCK"

CULVER CITY, CA, February 19, 2003 - Alfred Molina (Frida, Identity) will join Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco in Columbia Pictures' highly anticipated sequel to Spider-Man, it was announced today by Amy Pascal, Chairman of Columbia Pictures.

Molina will portray Spider-Man's new archenemy "Doc Ock" in the second installment to Columbia Pictures' 2002 worldwide phenomenon Spider-Man, which grossed more than $820 million worldwide and became the fifth highest grossing movie in U.S. history. Spider-Man is based on the classic Marvel Comic book series.</b></i>
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[Kal-El]

Just got the news from the Official Spidey newsletter myself.

[Hobgoblin]

Wonder why no one mentioned Doc Doom. IMHO he is one of the best spidey villains after Hobgoblin.

[JoeyOhhhh]

Originally posted by Hobgoblin
Wonder why no one mentioned Doc Doom. IMHO he is one of the best spidey villains after Hobgoblin. Cuz Doctor Doom is gonna be used in the Fantastic Four flick.

[Get Me Coffee]

What's the word on the Fantastic Four movie?

[Big Boy Laroux]

man, if they go the henchman route, i would love to see rhino. he's like the perfect henchman, strong and dumb.

plus the interactions between he and spidey are awesome. spidey jumping around whil rhino tries to smash him.

[Dr. DVD]

Wonder if there will be a scene where Spidey visits Doc Ock in his lair and Ock's blasting Sister Christian while his sidekick sets off firecrackers?






(Unless you have seen Boogie Nights, you will have NO idea what I am talking about.)

[Get Me Coffee]

Originally posted by Big Boy Laroux
man, if they go the henchman route, i would love to see rhino. he's like the perfect henchman, strong and dumb.

plus the interactions between he and spidey are awesome. spidey jumping around whil rhino tries to smash him.

I just hope we see more of an acrobatic style of fighting in this movie

[sinister]

shocker and rhino need to be henchmen in this movie.

[Sierra Disc]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
Hate to say this to all you Venom fans, but Raimi himself has stated that he never understood the appeal of the character and doubts he will ever pop up in a Spider-Man film on his watch.

Thank God!! Glad someone else has some sanity about this. Venom has some slight attraction when handled right (like the current Ultimate Spider-Man story) but there's so many other cool Spidey villains out there (Mysterio, Electro, The Lizard, etc. etc.) why waste a generic 'bad version' of the hero?

And don't even get me started on Carnage, the single lamest Spidey villain of all time. A demented, sick serial killer with a red clone of Venom's costume? Wow, how original. A villain for "Halloween Part 23," maybe, but not for Spider-Man...

[cultshock]

Originally posted by Dr. DVD
Wonder if there will be a scene where Spidey visits Doc Ock in his lair and Ock's blasting Sister Christian while his sidekick sets off firecrackers?






(Unless you have seen Boogie Nights, you will have NO idea what I am talking about.)

:lol: Man, I loved that scene (hell, I loved the whole movie).

He seems like an odd choice for Doc Ock, but he's a good actor, so it should be an interesting performance.

[Get Me Coffee]

<i><b>What is JJJ Up to in Spider-Man 2?!
Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:20 CST

We've been pretty careful lately about the scoops or rumors we post on Superhero Hype!, so when we got an e-mail several weeks ago from a scooper saying that the Doc Ock casting announcement would take place right about now, we didn't know what to think.

Yesterday's announcement by Sony certainly makes our scooper more credible and it's the reason we're sharing this new bit 'BF' sent us about a possible scene in Spider-Man 2. It's spoiler material, so you'll have to highlight the text below to check it out!

Another Spidey scoop for you. Sounds ridiculous, but sometime during the sequel, JJJ puts on a Spidey suit. Yep, told ya it sounds ridiculous.

Why, we don't know, but let the speculation begin.
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[Groucho]

BREAKING NEWS: With the casting of Alfred Molina, the new title of the film will now be Spider-Man: Not Without my Tentacle.

[Get Me Coffee]

Typical 'groucho' remark...adding nothing but non-comical relief

[Get Me Coffee]

<b><i>Word on Doc Ock's Design for Spider-Man 2?
Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:21 CST

Scooper 'Nayman' sent us this rumor about Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2...

Recently, at my high school, we had a group of film professionals come and talk to us about their hollywood careers. One F/X artist, who shall remain nameless, commented on the villain he was currently working on for spider-man 2.

He had previously worked on the animation in the first spider-man, and was asked to come back and work on none other than Doctor Octopus.

He said that animation tests looked awesome, and that the fx of the tenticles were a mix of Full mechanical, computer tenticles on a real human, and a full Cg Doc Ock.

Sounds tantilizing.</b></i>

[Catch 21]

Originally posted by Breakfast with Girls
What about Green Goblin II? Raimi spent a lot of time setting up that plotline for the future.

It would be easy to have Venom in Spider-Man 3 -- just introduce the alien entity at the last minute or so of Spidey 2, then open Spidey 3 with him wearing the suit with no explanation. Get people who aren't up on the backstory curious. Reveal what happened a bit into the movie.

Carnage would have to be his own movie, maybe Spider-Man 4, if it gets that far along in the series. I say he needs his own movie because 3 would have to set up a brief backstory on the suit, Peter would have to reject it, it would have to find Brock, and finally the actual plot would have to start with Venom.

Also, Carnage was such a dangerous force that Spider-Man on his own couldn't stop him -- he had to enlist the help of Venom. So 4 would open with Brock being released after the symbiote finds him, the symbiote leaving something behind that finds Kasady (Carnage), and Carnage being created. Venom and Spidey fight but upon the realization that Carnage is a complete and total psychopath (whereas Venom can at least be reasoned with), the two team up against Spidey's biggest threat yet.

As Rami said at the convention to angry Spiuderman fans who didnt understand why he didnt put Gwen Stacy, "You can only do so much in a movie, to keep the time and pace"

This is no 3 hour movie.:)) The problem with most spiderman fans is they dont think about running time. Rami is thinking what's the best possible way to tell a Spiderman story in under 2 hours.

Oh it was my Idea for Doc Oct. I told him at the convention the day after spiderman 1 opened :p

[RKillgore]

I'd like to see Mysterio, who was one of my favorite old school villians. I know it's unlikely as he isn't as well known as Green Goblin or Doc Ock. But, think of it, his story could be that he's a movie effects expert that's disgruntled that everything is done by CGI. How's that for irony?

[caligulathegod]

Just because Harry Osbourne became GG2 in the comics doesn't mean he has to in the movies. It's drama enough that Peter's best friend hates Spider-man.

[yecul]

I'd like to see Mysterio, who was one of my favorite old school villians.

I kinda hope not. Mysterio was a little stale, IMO. I think Stan Lee actually said he was one of the guys that he created that he really didn't know what to do with. :)