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collven
02-06-03, 01:00 AM
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I was just thinking about it. What is the reason for the life debt that Chewbacca owes Han Solo? I'm sure Han probably saved his life at one point, and that is the reason but I haven't read all the backstories to find out why. Or am I wrong about the life debt and they were just buddies?

reverb
02-06-03, 01:17 AM
When Han was in the Imperial Navy he rescued Chewbacca from imprisonment and slave labor. Han was court-martialed for the act.

Btw, I didn't know any of that but simply searched on Google just now. Which you could have done ;)

Groucho
02-06-03, 01:39 AM
The "life debt" thing isn't in the movies, and as far as I'm concerned it's not canon.

darkflounder
02-06-03, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Groucho
The "life debt" thing isn't in the movies, and as far as I'm concerned it's not canon.

It is covered in the Heir to the Empire book series. And those books are generally considered canon.

Jackskeleton
02-06-03, 03:13 AM
Actually, anything not on film is not considered Canon.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/hansolo/eu.html

Despite promising skills, Solo was drummed out of the service when he defied orders and rescued a Wookiee slave, Chewbacca. Solo freed Chewbacca from his captors, and from that day on Chewbacca served as Han's protector and friend.

It's Under Expanded Universe on the site so thus, It would fall under the Non-canon files. :p

Pants
02-06-03, 11:36 AM
Expanding on the question: Why is Chewbacca so cool?

I mean he is a really cool character, but he's just a guy in a suit. He never says anything cool (you can't even understand him). We know nothing about him, he has no backstory, and no arc of development through the trilogy. And yet he is the coolest. I guess less is more. The more you find out about Luke the less you like him, but you never learn a thing about Chewbacca and he's a bad ass from beginning to end.

Groucho
02-06-03, 11:45 AM
Generally, the less you know about a character the "cooler" they are. Hence, the Boba Fett mystique (which has faded quite a bit after Episode 2).

Chew
02-06-03, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Pants
Expanding on the question: Why is Chewbacca so cool?

I mean he is a really cool character, but he's just a guy in a suit. He never says anything cool (you can't even understand him). We know nothing about him, he has no backstory, and no arc of development through the trilogy. And yet he is the coolest. I guess less is more. The more you find out about Luke the less you like him, but you never learn a thing about Chewbacca and he's a bad ass from beginning to end.

I thought we found out several interesting things about Chewbacca in the dreadful X-Mas special.

Chewie is cooler than Boba? -confused-

Fanboy
02-06-03, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Pants
Expanding on the question: Why is Chewbacca so cool?

Maybe it's because he doesn't continually step in poo.

Jepthah
02-06-03, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Fanboy
Maybe it's because he doesn't continually step in poo.

:lol:

Numanoid
02-06-03, 04:57 PM
The question I've always had is "Why is Boba Fett considered to be so cool?" What does he really do? He catches Han...big deal (besides, he's subsequently rescued). Then he gets unceremoniously eaten by a giant sandgina. What a stud. :rolleyes:

Mr. Salty
02-06-03, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Numanoid
The question I've always had is "Why is Boba Fett considered to be so cool?"

It's all about the clothes.

Pants
02-06-03, 05:16 PM
The question I've always had is "Why is Boba Fett considered to be so cool?" Bottom line, everything he does is COOL. Cool outfit. Cool gun. Cool ship. He freezes a guy in a big block of carbonite...that's pretty cool. Then the Carbonite block "floats" on its own...that's cool. He has his own theme music. Coolest of all...he knows that Han attached the Falcon to the side of the Star Destroy when no one else does.

Terrell
02-06-03, 06:14 PM
The question I've always had is "Why is Boba Fett considered to be so cool?"

He was never portrayed in the films to be some badass dude. Star Wars geeks are the ones that have made him out to be that. The fact is he's nothing more than a plot device to bridge the gap between Han and Jabba. Lucas never portrayed him to be some badass, pivotal character. The fact is he only every fought once. Even then all he did was shoot a couple of laser blasts. Couple that with a total of maybe 5-10 minutes of onscreen time and you clearly see fanboys have made him out to be far more than he ever was intended to be. So they bitch and moan about the way he died, which I thought was funny. Lucas did the right thing by not wasting 10 minutes of the film giving him a death fitting in fanboy's opinions.

He freezes a guy in a big block of carbonite...that's pretty cool. Then the Carbonite block "floats" on its own...that's cool.

Both of which he had absolutely nothing to do with. For the record, Darth Vader froze Han in carbonite, not Boba Fett.

Expanding on the question: Why is Chewbacca so cool?

Well, there is much more evidence in the films to suggest Chewie is cool than there is to suggest Boba is.

you can't even understand him

Actually you can understand Chewie. All you've got to do is listen to Han's replies to Chewie and you know exactly what he said. I thought everyone knew that.

Jason
02-06-03, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Numanoid
The question I've always had is "Why is Boba Fett considered to be so cool?" What does he really do? He catches Han...big deal (besides, he's subsequently rescued). Then he gets unceremoniously eaten by a giant sandgina. What a stud. :rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with Boba Fett, although it looks like Jango was the truly cool one.

Boba Fett's mystique comes from the fact he was the first official "new" character introduced when ESB was coming out. You could mail away proof of purchases from the figures and get a free Boba Fett figure. he was faceless, mysterious, and sounded like a real badass.

Pants
02-06-03, 06:18 PM
Lucas never portrayed him to be some badass, pivotal character. By giving him his own unique musical theme, I think he gets singled out as something "more"

Terrell
02-06-03, 06:21 PM
By giving him his own unique musical theme, I think he gets singled out as something "more"

Maybe! But honestly, there is nothing in any of the Star Wars films to suggest he's the character that fanboys think he is.

Jackskeleton
02-06-03, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Pants
By giving him his own unique musical theme, I think he gets singled out as something "more"

all the bounty hunters had a different look. Look at them lined up infront of vader. And don't tell me Fett's musical theme made him cool. -rolleyes-

Like stated above, he was the mail away figure so this was the first taste of ESB that everyone had before it opened thus creating a hype that wasn't fully carried out. He didn't freeze han, he really only told vader where Han was going. Vader captures Han, Hell fett couldn't even kill Luke on two different chances. once in ESB and once in ROTJ. not to mention gets killed by a blind man. Though I'm sure he got his smarts from dear ol' Clone daddy fighting a jedi with a blaster, you figure the kid would remember that Light Saber > Blaster in combat from the horrorific inprint that he had from AOTC.

Add a crap load of "Fan fiction" and expanded universe which was all pretty much proven wrong once Ep 2 came out, Fett is left with nothing. Showing that once the audiance learns more about it, they care far less.

Josh-da-man
02-06-03, 07:23 PM
Boba Fett is cool because:

1) He was leaked early on that dreadful Chirstmas Special and as an early release action figure. That gave him a certain mystique.

2) He's a bounty hunter.

3) Cool-looking costume with a rocket pack and a bunch of gadgets. (This went a long way at being cool when I was a kid.)

4) You knew very little about him -- what he looks like, what he did before.

5) He's cool because of his appearance in ESB, and in spite of his poor handling in ROTJ.

fumanstan
02-06-03, 07:37 PM
Boba and Jango Fett were kind of lame to me. A giant furry guy... now THAT screams cool =P

El-Kabong
02-07-03, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Hell fett couldn't even kill Luke on two different chances. once in ESB. . . .

Yeah - but Fett knew that Vader wanted Skywalker. You think he's going to risk the Dark Lords wrath by plugging his baby boy? Hell no! All that blaster fire was meant to discourage Farmboy from following - nothing more.

Jackskeleton
02-07-03, 12:27 AM
that maybe so in ESB, but in ROTJ, looked like sarlac food was trying really hard to kill luke with no luck. :p

Kal-El
02-07-03, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Pants
By giving him his own unique musical theme, I think he gets singled out as something "more"

What musical theme? You mean that two-note basoon passage? I'd hardly call that a theme.

DarkestPhoenix
02-07-03, 07:52 AM
Come on!!! Chewie blows, and Boba rocks. Take a close look at his costume...you see those hairy strands? Wookie scalps. Chewie would be toast against Fett.

Boba Fett isn't alluded to as being a bad ass in the movies? Bullshizle. When Darth Vader decrees, "No disintegrations," to whom does he point? That's right, kids! Boba Fett, because Vader knows that this is one bad ass motha and you don't fu%$ around with his *****. Hence the command.

Jango cooler than Boba? Another laugh. It's pretty sad when it takes me longer to yank it than it does for Jango to die in a battle against Mace Windu.

Anyway, that's the support for the Fettster.

As far as Chewie goes, what vital part does he EVER play in the movies? He's just a background character at best, and his only real accomplishment is growling like he's pi$$ed all the time and doing nothing about it. Oh, yeah. And putting C3PO back together. That alone should make him subject of my eternal wrath.

But I digress.

Pants
02-07-03, 11:20 AM
All right, you have all digressed into total dorks.

El-Kabong
02-07-03, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by DarkestPhoenix
Jango cooler than Boba? Another laugh. It's pretty sad when it takes me longer to yank it than it does for Jango to die in a battle against Mace Windu.

Oh please! The only reason that Jango got whacked by Mace is because he got ran over by a five ton elephant. He lost a gun and his backpack got busted. If it hadn't been for outside interference, Jango would have jetted away to safety.

fumanstan
02-07-03, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by El-Kabong
Oh please! The only reason that Jango got whacked by Mace is because he got ran over by a five ton elephant. He lost a gun and his backpack got busted. If it hadn't been for outside interference, Jango would have jetted away to safety.

You mean ran away like a scared chicken?

El-Kabong
02-07-03, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by fumanstan
You mean ran away like a scared chicken?

Hey, even Sun Tsu knows that it's better to retreat when faced with a superior foe. You gonna argue with the wisdom of a two thousand year chinese dead guy? I didnt think so.

joltaddict
02-07-03, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Numanoid
sandgina

:lol:rotfl:lol:

caligulathegod
02-07-03, 08:02 PM
Those weeeeeere wookie scalps. Now they are Jedi ponytails.

Jackskeleton
02-07-03, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by El-Kabong
Oh please! The only reason that Jango got whacked by Mace is because he got ran over by a five ton elephant. He lost a gun and his backpack got busted. If it hadn't been for outside interference, Jango would have jetted away to safety.

a few force pulls could have easily done the same as the animal in disarming jango.

Jason
02-09-03, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by fumanstan
You mean ran away like a scared chicken?

A scared chicken that still has his head! :)

I was thinking more of his fight against Obi Wan.

The Nature Boy
02-09-03, 06:21 PM
I think Lucas made some of his worst mistakes in craving to fanboydom(and I"m including Sam Jackson in that pantheon).

Because looking back from ep.4,5 and 6, Boba Fett should have emerged as a MUCH bigger deal, given his connections with the emperor. No way he languishes as a free lancing bounty hunter. This guy had upper managment written all over him. He's a clone of his dad, he'd be an ass kicker. But yet, we don't get introduced to him(or reintroduced as it were) until Episode 5. I don't buy it.

And Sam Jackson's character, who tries so hard to be "cool" is even more absurd. Wouldn't Obi-wan have mentioned his mentor and Yoda's right hand man, Mace Windu, in the discussions with Luke? It's going to be a big ol' sore thumb. Maybe we'll get the "special, special edition" with an animatronic Obi Wan and a real life Clone of Hamil, sans his scar, to tie up this loose end.

And no, I"M not a a fan boy, if this is old news, I apologize, just something that knawed at me.

As for Chewy, he's cool because of his loyatly. Loyal in every regard, to Han, to C3po(you gotta figure a droid is a heavy peace of gear to strap to your back. Everyone else exhibits moment's of wavering loyalty, but Chewy's is never, EVER called into question.

caligulathegod
02-09-03, 06:34 PM
During which conversation in Star Wars (A New Hope) would Obi Wan mention Mace Windu? Why is this a loose end? Is there some story element I'm missing that requires Luke to know about Mace Windu? Or one where the existance of Mace Windu contradicts something?

al_bundy
02-09-03, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by The Nature Boy
I think Lucas made some of his worst mistakes in craving to fanboydom(and I"m including Sam Jackson in that pantheon).

Because looking back from ep.4,5 and 6, Boba Fett should have emerged as a MUCH bigger deal, given his connections with the emperor. No way he languishes as a free lancing bounty hunter. This guy had upper managment written all over him. He's a clone of his dad, he'd be an ass kicker. But yet, we don't get introduced to him(or reintroduced as it were) until Episode 5. I don't buy it.

And Sam Jackson's character, who tries so hard to be "cool" is even more absurd. Wouldn't Obi-wan have mentioned his mentor and Yoda's right hand man, Mace Windu, in the discussions with Luke? It's going to be a big ol' sore thumb. Maybe we'll get the "special, special edition" with an animatronic Obi Wan and a real life Clone of Hamil, sans his scar, to tie up this loose end.

And no, I"M not a a fan boy, if this is old news, I apologize, just something that knawed at me.

As for Chewy, he's cool because of his loyatly. Loyal in every regard, to Han, to C3po(you gotta figure a droid is a heavy peace of gear to strap to your back. Everyone else exhibits moment's of wavering loyalty, but Chewy's is never, EVER called into question.

I think the trouble was the fact that Lucas did prequesl instead of sequels. He had to add new characters but then people complain that there isn't any mention of them in the OT. I think it would have been much better if he would have hired some new blood to play Luke, Han and Leia in a series of sequels to the OT.

DarthMaul420
02-09-03, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Terrell
Maybe! But honestly, there is nothing in any of the Star Wars films to suggest he's the character that fanboys think he is.

I disagree. While he is no where near as important as the main characters he was a mystery character that helped bridge the gap between episode 4 and 6.

Why is he unique?

1. MYSTERY. No one knew where he was from, what he looked like, or was he even human? Even the death scene is still open to interpretation by fan-boys b/c of his armor and the jetpack. Although Lucas killed him off easily b/c he knew the character was way too popular, he should have taken into account that people generally are fascinated by characters that they don't know much about.

2. He did catch Han. The Empire, including VADER, failed in doing that in Episode 4 when they were right under their noses. Also take into account that in ESB he was the only one who tracked the Mill. Falcon.

3. I don't think he was trying to slow down Luke for Vader. I think he was going in to try and collect on another bounty. Think about it. He collected from Jabba with Han, Vader for finding the Falcon on Cloud City, and giving Luke to Vader would have been three bounty's.

4. He obviously had a known reputation that was greater than the other bounty hunters. "I want them alive, no disintegrations - points at Fett".

5. He also did something no one else in the Empire did, he didn't back down to Vader. "What if he dies, he's worth a lot to me". Even the Emperor himself showed Vader more respect in ESB than Fett did.

6. Realize that any character in sci-fi with a jetpack with a rocket on top is going to be popular. Couple that with a flame thrower, Gernade Launcher, Darts, Rope thrower and people will talk a lot about him.

Fok
02-09-03, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
a few force pulls could have easily done the same as the animal in disarming jango.

Actually I think both Jango and Boba were both dorks in Ep2, wrong actors chosen if you ask me. Was glad to see that Jango got his beans from Undercover Windu :)

The Nature Boy
02-09-03, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by caligulathegod
During which conversation in Star Wars (A New Hope) would Obi Wan mention Mace Windu? Why is this a loose end? Is there some story element I'm missing that requires Luke to know about Mace Windu? Or one where the existance of Mace Windu contradicts something?

I don't know exactly where, but Obi Wan does go into some detail about the "past", Anakin as a pilot, Yoda, etc. Mace comes across as clearly the number #2 Jedi behind Yoda, meaning he'd likely have been the highest ranking, most respected, etc. Jedi to die in the Clone Wars. Additionally, he also was a compartively friendly companion of Obi-Wan, and it strikes me, that if we were proceeding chronogically, given his build-up thus far, that he would have been mentioned along the way. Maybe not, but maybe so. I think there could have been a better delegation and division of power within the Jedi command, but that would have ran contrary Sam Jackson's star power. The Star Wars series has never been about Star Power, but it seems to be the case here.

And it doesn't exactly ruin the New Hope, but it's another example of a sloppy loose end that Lucas probably didn't think thorugh.

joltaddict
02-09-03, 10:28 PM
How is that a loose end? Did you want Obi-wan to go off on a biblical rant... and Jebadiah begot Yoda who begot Job who begat Mace who begat Quigon...

The mans coming back from the dead thats gotta be exhausting, how much backstory do you want him to go into? Its pretty rational hes going to give you the cliffs notes version.

The Nature Boy
02-09-03, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by joltaddict
How is that a loose end? Did you want Obi-wan to go off on a biblical rant... and Jebadiah begot Yoda who begot Job who begat Mace who begat Quigon...

The mans coming back from the dead thats gotta be exhausting, how much backstory do you want him to go into? Its pretty rational hes going to give you the cliffs notes version.

The only question I'll ask, if this were filmed chronologically, would it have been mentioned?

joltaddict
02-09-03, 10:34 PM
Doubtful. Lucas used to use expositionary dialog sparingly. Short, what-you-need-to-know and back to the action. At least he did back when he was still making good movies.

caligulathegod
02-10-03, 02:35 PM
There is ZERO reason to ever mention Mace Windu in parts 4-6. He might be the nominal head of the Jedi order but it is not relevent to Luke what-so-ever. An argument could be made concerning Qui-Gon, but not Windu. Never does the subject of the history and structure of the Jedi Knights come up in Star Wars, not does it need to. In Empire and Jedi, Obi Wan just makes an appearance to support Yoda not give a history lesson. I mean, hell, They barely give the names of the characters they DO show. We never heard the Emperor's name until we saw Phantom Menace. We never hear Boba Fett's name until Han says it just before he knocks him into the pit. Nute Gunray doesn't get mentioned until AOTC but it's said like we are supposed to know who he is. Fact is, if it weren't for the toys we wouldn't know 90% of the character names.

Sorry to jump on this and it's nothing personal. It just seemed really silly to suggest that there is some sort of plot thread left dangling because one character is not mentioned in the original trilogy especially when it is completely irrelevent.

Numanoid
02-10-03, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Jason
Boba Fett's mystique comes from the fact he was the first official "new" character introduced when ESB was coming out. You could mail away proof of purchases from the figures and get a free Boba Fett figure.

I actually did send in for Boba Fett, back in the day. He was advertised as coming with a working jetpack missile, but when you got him, the missile was glued in place and there was a little note which said that due to the choking hazard, the missile will not operate as advertised. :rolleyes: Isn't a working missile worth a few deaths? You know, for the greater good? Thinking back, I'll bet that's what soured me on the whole Boba Fett coolness thing. Stupid toy-swallowing kids.

Pants
02-10-03, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Kal Jedi
What musical theme? You mean that two-note basoon passage? I'd hardly call that a theme. So because you don't like the theme, my argument is incorrect? Whatever.

Considering that major characters like Han Solo and Chewbacca don't have their own leitmotiff, I think that Fett having a theme singles him out as something unique, I don't know what exactly, but unigue nonetheless.