Kelly Osbourne - Shut Up

[MJKTool]

I was flipping through channels and happened to land on what seemed to me to be the biggest pile of dog crap I think I have ever seen in my life. Kelly Osbourne singing "Shut Up". (no offense to those who like her) :D

"Blah, blah, blah, bla bla bla"

Has the music industry finally hit rock bottom? If anything can be worse than this, shoot me right now.

-ohbfrank--ohbfrank--ohbfrank--ohbfrank-

[Mopower]

I think Kelly needs to shup up, along with Jack, Ozzy and Sharon.

[RevLiver]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Has the music industry finally hit rock bottom

The music industry hit rock bottom years ago. It has since passed through the rock, into the mantle, through the mantle and into the core where it is disintegrating in the swirl of molten lava.

Independent artists on independent labels from independent record stores, that's the only way to go.

[Goat3001]

I think its been established that she has no talent and shes just mooching off of daddy's fame.

Ozzy Rules!! \m/

[MJKTool]

It seems fitting that her album is entitled "shut up". So whenever someone says her album name they are telling her to shut up! :D

[Meatpants]

I'm guessing most of you haven't actually listened to the album. IMO, it's not that bad. Obviously, it's heavily-produced, and I think we and she both know none of this would be happening without her daddy / the show. That said, it's a pleasant enough 40 minutes of music, certainly a lot better than some of the garbage on the charts today.

[MJKTool]

imo she IS the garbage that is on the charts today. and I am basing my opinion on her single "shut up". there is no way in hell i would ever subject myself to listening to a full 40 minutes of her.

just curious as to who you think is worse?

[evenflow]

Originally posted by MJKTool
It seems fitting that her album is entitled "shut up". So whenever someone says her album name they are telling her to shut up! :D

:lol:
Q. What's the worst album of the year?
A. Kelly Osbourne-Shut up!

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by MJKTool
just curious as to who you think is worse? tori amos

[TeeSeeJay]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori amos

Wow.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori amos

its really not surprising that you would say that....

[RevLiver]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori amos

Granted, the new Tori cd is lacking, IMO, but her previous stuff is amazing. I can't take any of your recommendations seriously after this.

[GuessWho]

tori is melodramatic, depressing lullaby music

hey, i have a fun idea... lets go hear a song about rape! what a great time we'll have! w00t!!

[C-Mart]

I personally love the new Tori CD, and though I haven't heard the Kelly Osbourne CD, I can't imagine even attempting to compare them, let alone put Tori UNDER Kelly! That is just insane. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion though, even a bad one. ;)

For some artists, music isn't about entertaining YOU, it is a form of therapy to express what is happening in their lives. Me and a Gun is a great song. I was lucky enough to hear it live last year, and it brought me to tears. I don't know what you consider good, but most music these days isn't happy, rock, bubbly stuff. If you actually listen to the lyrics of the songs, you would realize that most music is about loss; loss of love, life, whatever, but loss. If you want a happier Tori, get her To Venus and Back CD. That was the CD that she put out right after she got married and had her child, it is noticably happier than her other albums.

-CM-

[kneijst1]

Hmmm.. spoiled little rich making an album and a song with the title and main lyrics "shut up"....

so, so profound... I seriously think my IQ dropped a little after listening to her song for a couple seconds.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I thought the song was a joke the first time I heard it.

[Alyoshka]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori is melodramatic, depressing lullaby music

hey, i have a fun idea... lets go hear a song about rape! what a great time we'll have! w00t!!

Yeah, stay away from anything serious in life! That's the ticket! By the way, why don't we stop reading books unless they are by John Grisham or Danielle Steele! I've got another great idea, why don't we not go see any works of ballet? They often have difficult themes too! You're really onto something this time Guesswho

[Meatpants]

Originally posted by MJKTool
just curious as to who you think is worse?

Here is the current Top Ten on Billboard:

1. Shania Twain "Up"
2. Tim McGraw "Tim McGraw and the Dancehall Doctors"
3. "8 Mile" (soundtrack)
4. "NOW That's What I Call Music! 11"
5. 2pac "Better Dayz"
6. Jennifer Lopez "This is Me ... Then"
7. Faith Hill "Cry"
8. Paul McCartney "Back in the U.S. -- Live 2002"
9. Avril Lavigne "Let Go"
10. Christina Aguilera "Stripped"

The Kelly Osbourne CD is better than 7 or 8 of those, although to be honest, I haven't heard 1, 2, or 4.

[TheMadMonk]

I read that the Kelly Osbourne CD was the least-selling new release from a major label for the week. Yeah!

BTW, Kelly doesn't deserve to drink the sweat off of Tori's piano bench, IMHO.

[MJKTool]

I cant believe people are saying that Kelly Osbourne has more talent or is better than, so far:

Tori Amos
Eminem
2Pac
Faith Hill
Paul McCartney
Christina Aguillera

Even though I dont like everyone on this list, its ridiculous to think that brat has more talent.

[C-Mart]

Originally posted by TheMadMonk
BTW, Kelly doesn't deserve to drink the sweat off of Tori's piano bench, IMHO.

Right On!!! :up:

-CM-

[demonio]

I agree with people as far as the album goes and thats is a piece of crap, but anybody who disrespects Ozzy should be shot, to say the least.

[evenflow]

Originally posted by MJKTool
I cant believe people are saying that Kelly Osbourne has more talent or is better than, so far:

Tori Amos
Eminem
2Pac
Faith Hill
Paul McCartney
Christina Aguillera

Even though I dont like everyone on this list, its ridiculous to think that brat has more talent.

:up:

[dolphinboy]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori is melodramatic, depressing lullaby music

hey, i have a fun idea... lets go hear a song about rape! what a great time we'll have! w00t!!


SHUT UP!

[Da Thrilla]

She's not terrible, but not good either.

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori amos

this coming from the person who hates the simpsons and the matrix. :p

[Scorpio]

GuessWho, I'm going to hit you with a bag of skee-balls for dissing Tori. :)

[milo bloom]

I haven't heard anything from Tori Amos once that didn't make me want to put my head thru a window, then down onto the pieces of glass.

Music can be serious or it can be funny, but it needs to be good. I ain't saying Kelly is a prodigy or anything, but I get an energetic vibe off of her that I like. With a little practice and time I think she could really be something.

And I used to get pissed off when grownups (esp my dad) used to complain about how all rap sounds the same. I had MTVHits on the past few nights, and there would be a few pop songs, then a few rap songs. And the rap songs all sounded the same! J Lo's "Jenny from the Block" is just patting herself on the back for keeping it real, when I've read many accounts of her being quite fake. The only thing I've heard from the rap world with any real originality is Eminem, and truthfuly I think he's a wonderful artist. Just listen to "Lose Yourself" technically, and you can see how well he crafts his songs and lyrics.

And most modern country is just pop with a steel guitar, and even worse lyrics than usual. The only real country is stuff like Patsy Cline or "He Stopped Loving her Today" (by I'm having a brainfart and can't remember who sang it) and even He Stopped... isn't that country, it could be redone without the twang so to speak, and be a pop song today.
Case in point: Landslide. I first heard it as a Smashing Pumpkins song. I then learned they had covered an old Fleetwood Mac song. Each version was good and had it's particular strengths. Now the Dixie Chicks have covered it, and the only difference is they added the twang!

And Alan Jackson needs to be beaten with a large blunt object for that piece of crap propaganda crap he crapped out, ate off the floor, then crapped again and sold as music. South Park was too kind to him.

[Daytripper]

Don't most singers write about life experiences? Well, clearly Tori's hasn't been all sunshine. Who would want all Spice Girls all the time anyway? I thank God for artists like Tori (and Aimee Mann). Radio is dead. And the Top 40 charts are a joke. And have been for years.

[Nazgul]

Originally posted by RevLiver
Independent artists on independent labels from independent record stores, that's the only way to go.

Really? I live in a fairly active town for indie music and to me it all sounds exactly the same.

Not all mainstream stuff is crap, although it's cool to say it is. ;)

[Meatpants]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Even though I dont like everyone on this list, its ridiculous to think that brat has more talent.

"Talent" isn't necessary to make a good record. I don't think anyone said Kelly Osbourne could sing as well or look as good in leather as Faith Hill. That said, Kelly's CD is a much more enjoyable record than Faith Hill's overwrought album.

If you like bands like The Donnas, The Eyeliners, and the poppiest moments of Hole, you can like Kelly Osbourne's disc. You can't even tell it's her voice it's been so tweaked.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Meatpants
"Talent" isn't necessary to make a good record.

Its not!!?...... Oh thats right I forgot, its about bling bling this, bling bling that, how many different hair styles you got, how many hoes you got in your video, how many cars you got. "skater boi" this,"dont be fooled by the rocks I got" that. I guess as long as people accept recycable garbage with absolutely no talent whatsoever, record compaies will never change...why should they.

Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it. That society should just accept mediocre and crap as the norm.

Jeeze these kids these days -ohbfrank-

[MWB]

I respect her as an artist, but I don't believe I've ever heard a Tori Amos song that my ears haven't bled through.

[Meatpants]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Its not!!?...... Oh thats right I forgot, its about bling bling this, bling bling that, how many different hair styles you got, how many hoes you got in your video, how many cars you got. "skater boi" this,"dont be fooled by the rocks I got" that. I guess as long as people accept recycable garbage with absolutely no talent whatsoever, record compaies will never change...why should they.

Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it. That society should just accept mediocre and crap as the norm.

Jeeze these kids these days -ohbfrank-

Reading comprehension is a skill.

I didn't say music should be this way. Ideally, it'd be nice if musicians went into the stuidio and played their own instruments and used their own voices, etc. But that's not where we're at. Most mainstream music today is produced, in the truest sense of the word. They electronically change Britney Spears' voice from album to album to fit the songs. That's the world we're in. So under those rules, natural talent is unnecessary. Kelly Osbourne may or may not have it, but her album is OK.

And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it. Silly me to consider music entertainment.

[Hondo]

Originally posted by Meatpants
And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

My $0.02:

Although this is true, in my experience it's the people with not so much technical talent, but gobs of creativity that make memorable music. A skewed world view doesn't hurt, either. I'm thinking about The Stooges or The Ramones in the old days and maybe The White Stripes today. For these people, too much technical skill can get in the way. They aren't concerned about the "right way" and that frees them to do it their way.

Taking someone who can just carry a tune, getting a songwriter to craft a poppy little tune and then tarting it up with a lot of studio gadgetry, does not make a tune that will stand the test of time. I admit that I have not heard Kelly Osborne nor am I likely to, but I suspect that is what has been done with her. All I can say is I hope she has a good financial adviser, because her fifteen minutes are just about up.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by GuessWho
Silly me to consider music entertainment.

Art is entertainment.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
imo she IS the garbage that is on the charts today. and I am basing my opinion on her single "shut up". there is no way in hell i would ever subject myself to listening to a full 40 minutes of her.

just curious as to who you think is worse?

Not everyone needs to sound like "TOOL" :rolleyes:


anyway, KO's cd isn't bad. I heard her on LOVELINE last night and they played a few cuts that actually sounded decent. She said her favorites bands are 80's bands and that's waht her cd kinda sounds like.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Not everyone needs to sound like "TOOL" :rolleyes:


Did I say that?

Didnt think so.

Thank You!

Back at you buddy -rolleyes--rolleyes-

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Did I say that?

Didnt think so.

Thank You!

Back at you buddy -rolleyes--rolleyes-

:p

[atlantamoi]

Meatpants, just wanna say I'm in agreement with you in many ways.

MJKTool, I'm not a little kid and I can honestly say my favorite music is not about the most talented artists around. For example, I was watching Ryan Adams last night on TV... and the night before I saw And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead. These guys are talented, but maybe not in the way of getting everything just "perfect". How boring that would be. Adams was on Letterman and his voice was raspy as all get out. I can picture my father complaining that he can't sing... but for me, it was just bliss.

[MJKTool]

Im not saying that music has to be "perfect" by any means. Just put some effort into it for crying out loud. When I first heard "Shut Up" I honestly thought it was a commercial for the show or possibly a joke, it just had to be. How can something that infintile get on the air. At least with the boy bands and girl bands they had "decent" harmony, singing etc. Kelly Osbourne is the worst singer I think I have ever heard, and those lyrics are not helping either... "blah blah" ... my 3 yr old nephew could write better lyrics.

I did not intend to offend anybody because I honestly did not expect anyone to support her, and thats the truth :)

[milo bloom]

Originally posted by MJKTool
, and those lyrics are not helping either... "blah blah" ... my 3 yr old nephew could write better lyrics.



Didn't you see that Far Side cartoon that had two panels of a human yelling at a dog? The first had the human saying, "Bad dog Ginger! No biscuit for you! You better act good Ginger"
The second panel had what the dog heard, "blah blah Ginger blah blah blah blah blah blah Ginger"

Same idea :)

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by milo bloom
Didn't you see that Far Side cartoon that had two panels of a human yelling at a dog? The first had the human saying, "Bad dog Ginger! No biscuit for you! You better act good Ginger"
The second panel had what the dog heard, "blah blah Ginger blah blah blah blah blah blah Ginger"

Same idea :)

AHHH, how deep and meaningfull an idea she had there :p

[GuessWho]

Who put the bop in the bop sho bop sho bop
Who put the ram in the ramadama ding dong?




not every classic song needs "meaning of life" lyrics

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by GuessWho
Who put the bop in the bop sho bop sho bop
Who put the ram in the ramadama ding dong?


What in the blue hell are you talking about???

not every classic song needs "meaning of life" lyrics

And if you are saying "Shut Up" is going to be a classic song, then I think you may have topped yourself with regards to your comments concearning music. :lol:

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Meatpants
Reading comprehension is a skill.

I didn't say music should be this way. Ideally, it'd be nice if musicians went into the stuidio and played their own instruments and used their own voices, etc. But that's not where we're at. Most mainstream music today is produced, in the truest sense of the word. They electronically change Britney Spears' voice from album to album to fit the songs. That's the world we're in. So under those rules, natural talent is unnecessary. Kelly Osbourne may or may not have it, but her album is OK.

And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

True true.

When I worked at a hip hop station back in the early 90's the word was Al B Sure's voice was altered on his albums because his real voice was DEEPER than in his songs.

I still say certain members of KISS(Gene and Paul) haven't played on many of their albums. They just hire players and slap their names on their albums. We all know how they hired hands to fill for Ace and Peter when they were acting stupid on drugs.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
AHHH, how deep and meaningfull an idea she had there :p

Maybe she doesn't know anything about "PRISON SEX" like members of TOOL.

;)

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Maybe she doesn't know anything about "PRISON SEX" like members of TOOL.

;)

Well if we are going to be cute here. "Prison Sex" is actually a metaphore for child abuse. Meaning that children are trapped and raped like inmates are trapped and raped in prison. Thus the term Prison Sex.

That is alot of problems people have with Tool, coming to quick judgements and basing their judgements without proper knowledge and thinking a little deeper. Dont ever try me on Tool knowledge my friend

:p :D

[big whoppa]

When I heard her version of Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach" I didn't hate it but then I had to ask "Why should she remake that song?" That chubby, chameleon-haired brat!

[Penny Lane]

I wish she would.....

[I don't have a name]

Art is NOT entertainment. The purpose of art is to create an emotion; a reaction from the viewer (or listener, in this case). Whether it's a good or bad reaction, that all depends on the viewer since people have *gasp* different opinions. Considering this thread is 3 pages long with multiple posts from the same users, she definetly got a reaction from you guys.

I, for one, am glad she made this album. I've only heard the cover song and the shut up song, both of which I do not like at all. But I think if the album does well, her future albums could have much potential.

Saying she has little to talent is absurd. She at least put forth the effort to make an album comprised of songs clocking in at 40 minutes. How many albums have you made? She's trying, and I think it could be good later on down the road. Her tastes will change (when i was 17-18, I like rage against the machine, tool, dave mathews band, phish, nine inch nails, deftones, incubus...now, at 23 i can't stand them).

[Hondo]

Originally posted by I don't have a name
Art is NOT entertainment. The purpose of art is to create an emotion; a reaction from the viewer (or listener, in this case). Whether it's a good or bad reaction, that all depends on the viewer since people have *gasp* different opinions. Considering this thread is 3 pages long with multiple posts from the same users, she definetly got a reaction from you guys.

I respectfully disagree. To me the purpose of art is to CONVEY an emotion, world view, opinion , statement on the human condition, etc. If the sole purpose of art is to get a reaction, then all an artist ever has to do is come up with something shocking. It's easy to get a reaction out of people. The Piss Christ installation produced a violent reaction. Does that alone make it art? Art does not have to be entertaining and entertainment does not have to be art, but the two are not mutually exclusive.

Saying she has little to talent is absurd. She at least put forth the effort to make an album comprised of songs clocking in at 40 minutes. How many albums have you made?

I've made two. Both were original music composed by myself or the band. I don't think questioning her talent is absurd at all. The issue is not making the record. It's really not that hard to come up with 40 minutes of material, if you have some dedication and at least a little talent. What is hard is coming up with the money for studio time, engineer, producer, mastering, and printing. What's really hard is to get anyone to listen to you over the din of all the other acts looking for a deal. By all indications (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), the deal was pretty much handed to her. Do you honestly believe that if Kelly Osbourne was not Ozzy's daughter and not on TV ten times a week, that she would have gotten this opportunity? Or, for that matter, that anyone would be buying the disk? There are lots of talented musicians singers, and songwriters out there who don't have the benefit of being a TV celebrity before they put out their first CD. This alone does not make her unworthy. It does give her an "unfair advantage" over the average budding singer.

She's trying, and I think it could be good later on down the road. Her tastes will change (when i was 17-18, I like rage against the machine, tool, dave mathews band, phish, nine inch nails, deftones, incubus...now, at 23 i can't stand them).

I'm not questioning her taste in material. And you may be right that she is trying her very best. So what? Every crap bar band from one end of the country to the other is "trying". The fact is, Kelly Osbourne has been given a recording contract based on little more than her celebrity. Will her CD make money? Absolutely. Does it have ANYTHING to do with her talent? I doubt it. That is the problem with the recording industry today. Talent is irrelevant. It's only about how many units you sell.

You may be correct and Kelly will blossem into a fantastic talent. If that is the case, I'll eat my words. But, right now, she's selling based on the fact that she is on a TV show with her famous dad. If I was a betting man, I would put down money that "Shut Up" will be in the cutout bin by June.

BTW, what music do you like, now that you've grown out of those other bands that you listed?

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by I don't have a name
Art is NOT entertainment. The purpose of art is to create an emotion

Well what do you think music does? Does music not create emotion. If anything music for alot people creates tons of emotion? Do you not consider music art?


Saying she has little to talent is absurd. She at least put forth the effort to make an album comprised of songs clocking in at 40 minutes. How many albums have you made?

Oh brother!!!
Give me all the money in the world, a dad who is a God to alot of people, a new hit show and see how easy it would be for me to make a CD and get it to the masses. The ONLY reason she is making this CD is because her recent 15 fame. And dont give me that "she at least put effort crap". The fact that her "music career" got started by covering a Madonna song should be an indicator. And I can guarantee you the only contributing she has made to this music career are 1.)Her name 2.) Her lousy over produced voice 3.)Possibly lyrics (and that is not saying a hell of alot). And I also can guarantee you she had nothing to do creating the music itself.

That is the reason she anoys the hell out of me. Her music career is fake as hell, only resulting from her recent fame. On the other hand you have tons of talented musicians out there who will never see the light of day to alot of people. But Im sure if their daddy was Ozzy they would have no problem.

[Aghama]

Originally posted by Hondo
That is the problem with the recording industry today. Talent is irrelevant. It's only about how many units you sell. When has it not been about how many units you sell? Just because talent can equal money does not mean that record companies give a damn about it, they've always been concerned with the other side of the equation. Hence "industry."

[I don't have a name]

First off, yes, I consider art to be music. I never said that it wasn't. Someone mentioned earlier that art is entertainment, when it's not (to me, at least). Art does not have to be entertaining. That's the point I was trying to make there.

Secondly, I never mentioned that she got the record deal based on artistic merit or talent. I know she was handed a record contract because of the show and who her dad is. All I was trying to say is that it could be good later on down the road once she has goes up a bit, has vocal training, and maybe learns some music theory (in that order, preferable). I know she has an unfair advantage, but there's not anything anyone can do about it. I've read some reviews and it sounds like it's not horrible. It's just horrible to the people who already hate her from the show and won't give it a chance. Remember, it's all opinion.

My list is music is extremely diverse, but i'll try to break it down.

Estradasphere - a local Santa Cruz band. they play everything, from death metal to bluegrass to gypsy music to video game music. All of the members (except for the drummer) play about 3-4 different instruments.

Mr. Bungle - I like the first album and the last one the most, california. Don't care too much for Disco Volante

Hank the 3rd - best live show I've seen. period.

Melvins
Tomahawk
Fantomas
FantomasMelvins Bigband - I am a huge Mike Patton fan. I am trying to get all the albums from his label, Ipecac Records.

Secret Chiefs 3 - Trey Spurance is also good. I only have Book M and it's more like Mr. Bungle-ish indian-type music.

Aphex Twin - I love Richard James, but not all the time. His latest album "Drugks" is a marvel. I like Bjork's stuff too

Death/grind metal:
Nile
Cryptopsy
Meshuggah
Gorguts
Death
At the Gates

I also love underground rap. As far as music goes, rap or just in general, anything on the radio is garbage to me. I try not to listen to the radio by all means nessicary, but I am forced to sometimes (at work, espically). The state of hip hop (or pop-pop as I call it) is pathetic. Not to change the subject, but I'm making a shirt that says on the front "Rap sucks" and the back listed off like Fight Club quotes stuff like "you are not your bling bling; you are not your 22" rims; you are not your prada or gucci shoes, you are not your fuc%ing Escalade...etc.etc. Ok, my underground stuff are these guys: (copy and pasted from an eariler post I made)

El-P - Fantastic Damage......I think this album has the best beats and lyrics I've ever heard. Nothing short of amazing.

Get anything by Dan the Automator....his album "wanna buy a monkey?" or the stuff he did as Deltron 3030 and Dr. Octogon

MF Doom - also extremely good.


Company Flow - Funcrucher +
Organized Konfusion - Stress "the Extinction Agenda"
MF Doom - Operation Doomsday
Lovage - Music to make to your Old Lady by
Cannibal Ox - A Cole Vein
Saul Williams - Amethyst Rockstar
Sensational

Also a big fan of Theatrical scores (not movie soundtracks). Danny Elfman, David Julyan and Angelo Badalamenti are my favorite composers. Stuff like Mullholland Drive, Memento, 2001, Clockwork Orange, Insomnia, Fight Club, to name a few.

For country/folk type music, i tend to stray away from all together with a very few exceptions. Jonny Cash and Leonard Cohen

That's all I can think of for now. I am forgetting the rest of my collection (about 70%) but I don't listen to it that much more nowadays.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by I don't have a name
First off, yes, I consider art to be music. I never said that it wasn't. Someone mentioned earlier that art is entertainment, when it's not (to me, at least). Art does not have to be entertaining. That's the point I was trying to make there.


Your contradicting yourself. You said earlier:

The purpose of art is to create an emotion; a reaction from the viewer

Does not music create emotion? Music creates TONS of emotions for people, even to the point of therapy.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Well if we are going to be cute here. "Prison Sex" is actually a metaphore for child abuse. Meaning that children are trapped and raped like inmates are trapped and raped in prison. Thus the term Prison Sex.

That is alot of problems people have with Tool, coming to quick judgements and basing their judgements without proper knowledge and thinking a little deeper. Dont ever try me on Tool knowledge my friend

:p :D


Just for the record, you will find TOOL cd's in my collection so don't think I'm trying to put them down :)

I'm just giving you grief for giving my Sweet, plump, pale, Kelly crap. You're doing it just because she's lucky enough to be born in family that makes it easy to get into the industry.

We should all be so lucky. :p

[I don't have a name]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Your contradicting yourself. You said earlier:



Does not music create emotion? Music creates TONS of emotions for people, even to the point of therapy.

HOw am I contridicting myself again? Art is not entertainment, meaning it can be entaining, but not all the time. The purpose of art is not to entertain, but to create an emtion. Music creates an emotion. Music is art. Where did I say music is not art again? Oh yeah, I didn't.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by I don't have a name
HOw am I contridicting myself again?

Art is not entertainment, meaning it can be entaining.

:lol:

[I don't have a name]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Art is entertainment.

Let me spell it out for you since you are not getting the point (to which, i'll take credit for the confusion because i was a little heated and didn't explain myself).

Art (music, film, painting, books, poems, whatever) is not always entertainment. Art can be entertaining, but it is not always under the claffifaction of entertainment, as you stated earlier (or so I took from that post). If art were entertainment, it would always entertain, right? (no such thing as bad entertainment....that's an oxymoron, like sushi chef or an american taxi driver). The art and music that each person likes is entertainment for them, but not to others. To each his own. That is all. Hope this helps.

[MJKTool]

Dude seriously this is stupid. Lets put this ridiculous conversation behind us, because nobody is right or wrong. Anybody can make something anything what they want it to be. There are not set laws saying that art cannot be entertaining most of the time. You think the main purpose of art is not meant to entertain but to cause "emotion". Fine. Do we want to sit here going back and forth defining "emotion"? I dont. Entertainment stirs up emotion as well, am I wrong in saying that? Later :)

[custom001]

it kinda occurs to me you don't like the new Jello single either, do you MJK ;)