Metroid Fusion- 9.5, 9.0, 9.0 (Gold Award)
Zelda- Link to the Past- 9.5, 9.5, 9.5 (Gold Award)
LOTR: TTT- 7.5
Kirby- 8.0, 8.0, 8.0 (Silver Award)
Tuan Jim
11-23-02, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm kinda surprised that an original game like SC scores below a rehash like MGS2:S, but oh well. I'll still pick up SC after grad. next month ;p
Tuan Jim
brkhrt7
11-23-02, 08:22 PM
Wow. That has to be the most awards in one issue in a long time.Oh, what the hell happened to Dragon's Lair (2.5)?
CaptDS9E
11-23-02, 09:54 PM
There are just too many good games out at once. What a time for video games
capt
Josh H
11-23-02, 10:00 PM
Yeah, there's definitely too many great games and not enough time.
I was glad to see Mortal Kombat not get reviewed highly. I didn't figure on having time to play it, and as I agree with EGMs reviews 95% of the time, I'm probably not missing out on as much as the impression here indicate (as I don't tend to agree with most of the posters here.
However, Rygar looks like something I'll have to check out. I was hoping it would lose my interest after reviews lie Shinobi did, but I guess not.
Maybe releases will slow down after Zelda in February and I can get caught up.
darkside
11-23-02, 10:47 PM
Great reviews this month for all three consoles.
The reason Substance scores higher than Splinter Cell is because its a better game IMO, but I know many here don't want to hear that. I spent an hour playing Splinter Cell and I was far from impressed. Substance is pretty cool though. A big improvement over Sons of Liberty by giving you so many more options. You really get your moneys worth this time.
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by darkside
Great reviews this month for all three consoles.
The reason Substance scores higher than Splinter Cell is because its a better game IMO, but I know many here don't want to hear that. I spent an hour playing Splinter Cell and I was far from impressed. Substance is pretty cool though. A big improvement over Sons of Liberty by giving you so many more options. You really get your moneys worth this time.
I agree - we are in the minority. After posting my thoughts on SC on a few forums, the responses from the SC fans were that I was a) having hallucinations b) I have no skill c) fanboyism. One mod of a forum even called me "The Lamest Member of the Board" and a few choice names for what I posted....None of those are correct, but I guess some people just can't accept that some people think it's just not that good.
Gallant Pig
11-23-02, 11:47 PM
Smoth, you throw your opinion around like fact and it tends to annoy people.
quietsoul
11-23-02, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Smoth, you throw your opinion around like fact and it tends to annoy people.
Agreed. Different strokes for different folks. I had high expectations for Splinter Cell, and the demo did a lot to kill those expectations. However, that said, I think Splinter Cell still has a lot of merits going for it. It's no longer going to be a blind buy, but it's easily worth a rental.
Gallant Pig
11-23-02, 11:58 PM
I'd like to say I mean "*If* you throw your opinion around like fact..." not saying you actually do it a lot:
None of those are correct, but I guess some people just can't accept that it's just not that good.
Josh H
11-24-02, 04:45 AM
You just have to assume that when people are talking about games they are just stating their opinions. There are tons of members here (trigger comes to mind) that seem to state opinions like fact because they don't bother to preface things with "i think" or "IMO."
KingSmoth
11-24-02, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Smoth, you throw your opinion around like fact and it tends to annoy people.
It was a mistake of mine. When I first posted
None of those are correct, but I guess some people just can't accept that it's just not that good.
I erased some of it to reword it. I intended to say "....accept that some people think......."; I accidentally erased that part, and when quickly proofreading, saw "some people", assumed I had typed my piece, and posted it. I have corrected it above.
Anyway, you're mistaken in thinking I try to throw around my opinions as fact - but you're entitled to your opinion.
Kainan
11-24-02, 05:59 PM
Well, I'm with the majority that think that EGM is dead wrong with the lower score on SC. Splinter Cell blows MGS2 away IMO. I tell you, if they put any more movie in MGS games then you'll just have to tape a button to CONTINUE every 10 minutes or so and they will call it gameplay. Bad thing is people will LOVE it!! EGM will probably give it game of the year and it could get movie of the year too!! Yippee... two birds with one stone. :(
Josh H
11-24-02, 11:51 PM
The VR missions seemed to be the thing that put MGS2S over the top. They also mentioned snake tales, and the actual gameplay as being great.
I think most hate all the cinemas, and the supposedly lame story (I haven't played MGS2 yet, but loved the first one), but dig the gameplay. Splinter Cell is too stealth oriented for some people, as I've seen that mentioned in a couple reviews, because it can lead to a lot of trial and error, doing the same thing over and over again.
But anyway, it still got a great review from EGM. It's not "dead wrong" it's just their opinion, and opinions can't be dead wrong.
I tend to agree with them more than other reviewers, but no review group is always going to match someones opinion for every game. For example they scored Eternal Darkess lower than I rated it, but I didn't get bent out of shape over it. It's just 3 guys opinions of a game.
zero
11-25-02, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by KingSmoth
Anyway, you're mistaken in thinking I try to throw around my opinions as fact - but you're entitled to your opinion.
You just did it again.
Gallant Pig
11-25-02, 03:12 AM
:lol:
KingSmoth
11-25-02, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by zero
You just did it again.
Nope - considering I know my intentions when I post, it is quite fact.
Gromit
11-25-02, 08:00 AM
I like Splinter Cell, but sometimes it seems like more work than fun.
Isn't is safe to assume that pretty much everything that gets posted here is someone's opinion?
Stoolie
11-25-02, 08:59 AM
Sorry, but you guys are beating on KingSmoth for a reasons I don't understand. GallantPig, you said that Smoth throws his opinion around as if it's fact, and that annoys people. In my opinion (I repeat, this is my opinion), you are wrong in the interpretation. You openly state that you already know that Smoth is stating his opinion, but in a way that you don't like. Well, get over it and stop being sensitive. Everyone on this board states their opinion in a way that sounds like fact. But if we keep in mind that they are opinions (which everyone says they do but they really don't), then I don't understand where the problem is and why you guys dog Smoth so much. If he thinks Splinter Cell sucks, you can't change that, certainly not by making fun of him. My two cents on the matter.
On topic - this is an amazing amount of highly rated games. Admittedly, it's only one mag's reviews, but still, I can feel the pull of my wallet when I look at that list of games.
stoolie
Kainan
11-25-02, 10:17 AM
LOL, since we are all running in circles about what opinions can and can't be then I'll address JoshH and his last comment to me.
But anyway, it still got a great review from EGM. It's not "dead wrong" it's just their opinion, and opinions can't be dead wrong.
Umm.. Actually it can be MY OPINION that their opinion is dead wrong. This is just like me saying I can't have an opinion that an opinion maker is a moron. Opinion is opinion is opinion and you can have opinions OF opinions!!! Now how is that for confusing things?
By the way Josh, MGS was one of my all time favorite games. It had a perfect blend of gameplay and cool cinemas. MGS2 does NOT have this IMO. It is strange how this game gets perfect 10s yet I know TONS of people who really do NOT like this game.
Stoolie
11-25-02, 10:33 AM
Opinion is really starting to sound like a weird word. And that's a fact. Or is it? :D
stoolie
Lastblade
11-25-02, 10:54 AM
Opinion is just Onion with a pi in the middle :D
Draven
11-25-02, 10:59 AM
I am only a little way into Metroid Prime, but I don't think it is a PERFECT game by any means. There have been enough little things that have bothered me that I would have rated it a little lower than that.
But it's nice to see all the good scores. I'm a little disappointed in Mortal Kombat. I plan on renting it to give it a try, but most of what I've seen/read has been positive on that game.
P.S. Opinions CAN be wrong. If someone said "I think the sky is red," that's their opinion, but it's wrong.
What we run into with games is opinion vs. fact. If someone says "I don't like the control scheme of Splinter Cell," that's an opinion about a fact (the control schemes configuration.) If someone says "The control scheme for Splinter Cell sucks!" that's an opinion STATED as a fact. And that's where we run into trouble. If everyone would just say things like "I don't like this part of the game" or "this didn't work for me" things would go a lot better, because there is SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE who likes the worst games in the world, and they aren't WRONG to like them.
Michael Corvin
11-25-02, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Draven
P.S. Opinions CAN be wrong. If someone said "I think the sky is red," that's their opinion, but it's wrong.
Not if they are colorblind. ;)
Draven
11-25-02, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Michael Corvin
Not if they are colorblind. ;)
Or just annoying :D
young
11-25-02, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Lastblade
Opinion is just Onion with a pi in the middle :D
actually, pi is not in the middle... it's more towards the beginning. unless, middle is in your opinion, just something between the beginning and the end. in which case, i agree that it is in the middle, not the beginning, nor the end. imo... bwhahahahaha... :D
wish they did a more than 1 person review of colin mcrae rally... which version should i get? the ps2 or xbox? the 9 was for the xbox version, i believe.
chess
11-25-02, 03:18 PM
Metroid Prime- 10, 10, 10 (Platinum Award, game of the month)
-Most overwhelmingly postive review I've ever seen in EGM.
You must've missed all the gushing over Vice City last month.
Now THAT was an overwhlelmingly positive review...and that's a fact. ;)
Josh H
11-25-02, 03:36 PM
Yeah, the Vice City review was very positive as well, the Metroid prime one just seemed a little more so to me.
zero
11-25-02, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by KingSmoth
Nope - considering I know my intentions when I post, it is quite fact.
Well since Im not a mind reader...you did it again.
Trigger
11-25-02, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
You just have to assume that when people are talking about games they are just stating their opinions. There are tons of members here (trigger comes to mind) that seem to state opinions like fact because they don't bother to preface things with "i think" or "IMO." First of all, you're full-on wrong about me. Second of all, you need to stop trying to bait me into a fight with you. Can't you just leave me alone? There's absolutely no reason for you to mention my name or respond to my comments... I responded to one of yours and I apoligized for it, and in my comment I didn't even attack your character which you have tried to do repeatedly to me. Please stop.
tanman
11-25-02, 05:35 PM
can we PLEASE have one thread that stays on topic?
anyways. about metriod.
that is quite an overwhelming review for EGM. usually they can never agree on a score for a game. there is usually a 3 point difference between reviews. I like that they have different opinion on the games but sometimes it can just get confusing.
Josh H
11-25-02, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Kainan
Umm.. Actually it can be MY OPINION that their opinion is dead wrong.
That just comes across at elitist. No opinions are wrong, people can disagree with an opinion for sure, but that doesn't mean that the they disagree with is wrong.
Only matters of fact (and maybe moral issue, but those vary from person to person with some universals like "killing another human is wrong") can be right or wrong.
Opinions can simply be agreed with or disagreed with.
Saying "I totally disagree with EGMs reviews of MGS2S and Splinter Cell" is perfectly fine.
Saying they are wrong is, arogant and elitist, as it's basically asserting that your opinion is better than theirs.
Josh H
11-25-02, 07:59 PM
Trigger, I'm not trying to bait you into anything.
I was saying there's nothing wrong with people stating opinions as facts, as everyone does it and people should just assume that people are just stating their opinion.
You came to mind first because you did it fairly often, posting stuff like "MGS2 Sucks", rather than "I think MGS2 sucks."
Again there's nothing wrong with that as people should just take for granted that the first one really means the second one.
I wasn't trying to bait you into a fight in the other thread to, you were simply asking people to stop treating you in a way you have treated me and others in the past and I wanted to point it out.
I have no desire to fight or argue with you, I respond to your posts just like anyone else I disagree with.
Kainan
11-26-02, 11:14 AM
Saying they are wrong is, arogant and elitist, as it's basically asserting that your opinion is better than theirs.
Umm... did you not see that I said it can be MY opinion that their opinion is wrong. This CAN exist and is not elitist. What it is called is a difference of opinion. You CAN have an OPINION that another opinion is wrong. If someone says the picture of Lord of The Rings sucks, it is well within my right to say that their opinion is way off IN MY OPINION! I didn't say I could state as FACT that their opinion was wrong. LOL, this is nothing but a debate over the wording of something.
KingSmoth
11-26-02, 11:37 AM
This topic is fun. <-----------FACT????? or OPINION???
Icculus
11-26-02, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by KingSmoth
This topic is fun. <-----------FACT????? or OPINION???
I think you're wrong.
squidget
11-26-02, 12:37 PM
*sigh*
why did I poke my head in here?
on topic of the original post.
they gave metroid a perfect. I always thought that a perfect means nothing is wrong and there is no room for improvement
under that logic can a game really be perfect?
something can always be tweaked, sped up, smoothed out etc...
i have metroid and I love it. I don't think its perfect, but its not too far from
and thats my opinion, not to be confused with fact ;)
chess
11-26-02, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Yeah, the Vice City review was very positive as well, the Metroid prime one just seemed a little more so to me.
yeah, well that's your opinion...still wrong though. ;)
i haven't played metroid yet, but if they really pulled off a true first person platformer, i'm truly looking forward to my GC purchase...probably a year and change from now when i can get some cheap games.
:up:
up to this point, the only first person shooter that really drew me into the action was Goldeneye.
young
11-26-02, 12:53 PM
the only 1st person shooters that i finished was half-life and doom.
of the failed ones, i list:
thief 1 & 2
no one lives forever
deus ex
halo
probably some others i can't think of at the moment...
spainlinx0
11-26-02, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by squidget
*sigh*
why did I poke my head in here?
on topic of the original post.
they gave metroid a perfect. I always thought that a perfect means nothing is wrong and there is no room for improvement
under that logic can a game really be perfect?
something can always be tweaked, sped up, smoothed out etc...
i have metroid and I love it. I don't think its perfect, but its too far from
and thats my opinion, not to be confused with fact ;)
Since obviously no game can be TRULY perfect I always took it to mean that any faults the game might have are so negligible or do not hinder the fun of the game in any way so that the game could be considered a "perfect" game.
Gallant Pig
11-26-02, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Stoolie
Sorry, but you guys are beating on KingSmoth for a reasons I don't understand. GallantPig, you said that Smoth throws his opinion around as if it's fact, and that annoys people. In my opinion (I repeat, this is my opinion), you are wrong in the interpretation. You openly state that you already know that Smoth is stating his opinion, but in a way that you don't like. Well, get over it and stop being sensitive. Everyone on this board states their opinion in a way that sounds like fact. But if we keep in mind that they are opinions (which everyone says they do but they really don't), then I don't understand where the problem is and why you guys dog Smoth so much. If he thinks Splinter Cell sucks, you can't change that, certainly not by making fun of him. My two cents on the matter.
On topic - this is an amazing amount of highly rated games. Admittedly, it's only one mag's reviews, but still, I can feel the pull of my wallet when I look at that list of games.
stoolie
Stoolie, I was merely offering a reason for why those people at the other board were attacking KingSmoth. I wasn't necessarily saying he does it all the time, but if you say something like "I guess I'm the only person right and everyone else is defending crap", (paraphrasing) you are inviting criticism. If you say "This game didn't appeal to me, I am pretty nitpicky and some things bothered me such as .... ", then people are going to be not so hard on you. SO my interpretation isn't wrong, you are. :D But that's just my opinion and not a fact. :lol: (just kidding around)
squidget
11-26-02, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by spainlinx0
Since obviously no game can be TRULY perfect I always took it to mean that any faults the game might have are so negligible or do not hinder the fun of the game in any way so that the game could be considered a "perfect" game.
That's a better interpretation I suppose. Its just me I guess, I'm leary of perfect. Granted, they don't get handed out often but I feel the next installment (if there is one) of said game will have a lot to live up to.
jeffdsmith
11-26-02, 01:24 PM
Did Metoid Prime or Fusion ever get a cover spot of EGM? This months is stupid buyers guide cover. Just Curious.
KingSmoth
11-26-02, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Stoolie, I was merely offering a reason for why those people at the other board were attacking KingSmoth. I wasn't necessarily saying he does it all the time, but if you say something like "I guess I'm the only person right and everyone else is defending crap", (paraphrasing) you are inviting criticism. If you say "This game didn't appeal to me, I am pretty nitpicky and some things bothered me such as .... ", then people are going to be not so hard on you. SO my interpretation isn't wrong, you are. :D But that's just my opinion and not a fact. :lol: (just kidding around)
The only time I've been given crap on a forum is for any posts revolving around Splinter Cell or the XBox. In both instances, me(and anyone else who says something bad about either) get flamed. Re-read my post:
I agree - we are in the minority. After posting my thoughts on SC on a few forums, the responses from the SC fans were that I was a) having hallucinations b) I have no skill c) fanboyism. One mod of a forum even called me "The Lamest Member of the Board" and a few choice names for what I posted....None of those are correct, but I guess some people just can't accept that some people think it's just not that good.
I posted earlier about the mistake I made, and it was previously corrected. You're paraphrasing of what I said is wrong, and that is a fact. :)
darqleo
11-26-02, 02:06 PM
Whoa, nice to see all the games I am playing are getting Plantinum, Gold and Silver awards (Metroid Prime, Contra, LOTR - TTT, etc.)
Rygar's got a Silver award, eh? Might just have to pick that one up. I'm really close to picking up a GameBoyAdvance just to play those Castlevania, Zelda and Metroid games.
Stoolie
11-26-02, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by jeffdsmith
Did Metoid Prime or Fusion ever get a cover spot of EGM? This months is stupid buyers guide cover. Just Curious.
Samus was on the cover of EGM along with Zelda and Mario on the cover of other issues that month as part of an article on upcoming Nintendo games. That's the only one I know of.
stoolie
Josh H
11-26-02, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Kainan
You CAN have an OPINION that another opinion is wrong.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I think saying that is arrogant and rude, and shows no respect for others opinion. Which is a common fault of mankind, few respect other's opinions and beliefs.
I disagree with people all the time, but I simply say that I disagree with them, not that there opinion is wrong. It's just different from mine.
So I just disagree with you on this. :D
Gallant Pig
11-26-02, 07:36 PM
Smoth my apologies on the paraphrasing. I was paraphrasing your original post which rubbed me the wrong way
None of those are correct, but I guess some people just can't accept that it's just not that good.
I see the revision and think that's a much better way to state things. I didn't see what happened in the other forum so I can't tell if what you said and how you said it that pissed people off so much, I was just assuming it involved phrasing things the same as the quote above. Maybe that's not right.
I think if you catch heat about discussing one console more others, it might be because you don't own that console and people feel your opinions are less valid than someone who does own one. I'm not saying that's what I think, it isn't. People can be biased or unbiased and it has nothing to do with the systems they own, just saying that's what could be causing it.
Peace!
Lateralus42
11-26-02, 08:14 PM
MGS: Sunbstance has awful controls. I have no idea why people enjoy that kind of awkward movement. SC is fantastic, the best game I have played all year on the XBOX.
KingSmoth
11-26-02, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Smoth my apologies on the paraphrasing. I was paraphrasing your original post which rubbed me the wrong way
I see the revision and think that's a much better way to state things. I didn't see what happened in the other forum so I can't tell if what you said and how you said it that pissed people off so much, I was just assuming it involved phrasing things the same as the quote above. Maybe that's not right.
I think if you catch heat about discussing one console more others, it might be because you don't own that console and people feel your opinions are less valid than someone who does own one. I'm not saying that's what I think, it isn't. People can be biased or unbiased and it has nothing to do with the systems they own, just saying that's what could be causing it.
Peace!
Hey, I understand. My original statement did read out bad, not my intention. I don't have an extreme bias towards a system, but of course it is possible(as shown earlier) that the way I word my thoughts could say differently. Though I don't own an XBox myself, a good friend of mine has since release, and we've played through a LOT of what is available, and I really haven't been interested in much of it up to this point. There are a few upcoming games that interest me, but not enough to buy one yet. Of course, sometime down the road that could change, considering how the XBox is really picking up better games now.
No hard feelings.
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