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twikoff
11-23-02, 09:26 AM
<table x:str border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=464 style='border-collapse: collapse;table-layout:fixed;width:348pt'> <col width=127 style='mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:4644;width:95pt'> <col width=273 style='mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:9984;width:205pt'> <col width=64 style='width:48pt'> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12:15 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10300.html">Michigan (9) vs. Ohio State (2)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>1 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10400.html">Rutgers vs. Notre Dame (8)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10500.html">Texas Christian (22) vs. East Carolina</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:05 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10600.html">Boise State (21) vs. Nevada</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10700.html">Southern California (7) vs. UCLA (24)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10800.html">Kansas State (10) vs. Missouri</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_10900.html">Florida State (14) vs. North Carolina State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11000.html">Michigan State vs. Penn State (16)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>5:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11100.html">Maryland (18) vs. Virginia</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>6 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11200.html">New Mexico vs. Colorado State (15)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>6:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11300.html">Washington vs. Washington State (3)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>7 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11400.html">Texas Tech (23) vs. Oklahoma (5)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>8:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11500.html">Mississippi vs. Louisiana State (20)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl24 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>11:05 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl26 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11600.html">Cincinnati vs. Hawaii (25)</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11700.html">San Diego State vs. Air Force</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11800.html">North Carolina vs. Duke</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_11900.html">Illinois vs. Northwestern</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12000.html">Boston College vs. Temple</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12:05 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12100.html">Toledo vs. Northern Illinois</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12:05 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12200.html">Minnesota vs. Wisconsin</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>12:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12300.html">Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='mso-height-source:userset;height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>1 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12400.html">Buffalo vs. Ball State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>1 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12500.html">Western Michigan vs. Central Michigan</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>1 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12600.html">Alabama-Birmingham vs. Louisville</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>1 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12700.html">Central Florida vs. Miami Ohio</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12800.html">Baylor vs. Oklahoma State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_12900.html">Connecticut vs. Iowa State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='mso-height-source:userset;height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13000.html">Akron vs. Kent</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='mso-height-source:userset;height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13100.html">Army vs. Memphis</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>2:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13200.html">Arkansas vs. Mississippi State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13300.html">Brigham Young vs. Utah</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13400.html">South Florida vs. Houston</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13500.html">Texas El Paso vs. Louisiana Tech</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13600.html">Tulsa vs. Southern Methodist</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13700.html">Navy vs. Wake Forest</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13800.html">Indiana vs. Purdue</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_13900.html">Auburn vs. Alabama</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14000.html">Stanford vs. California</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14100.html">North Texas vs. Middle Tennessee State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14200.html">Marshall vs. Ohio</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14300.html">Southern Mississippi vs. Tulane</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>3:30 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14400.html">Oregon vs. Oregon State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>5 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14500.html">UL Lafayette vs. Northeast Louisiana</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>5 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14600.html">New Mexico State vs. Idaho</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>5 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14700.html">Fresno State vs. San Jose State</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>6 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14800.html">Eastern Michigan vs. Bowling Green</a></td> </tr> <tr height=17 style='height:12.75pt'> <td height=17 class=xl25 width=127 style='height:12.75pt;width:95pt'>7:45 p.m. ET</td> <td colspan=2 class=xl27 width=337 style='width:253pt'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gaming/matchups/data/ncf/game/g8_14900.html">South Carolina vs. Clemson</a></td> </tr> <![if supportMisalignedColumns]> <tr height=0 style='display:none'> <td width=127 style='width:95pt' id="cnt_sandbox_q1"></td> <td width=273 style='width:205pt'></td> <td width=64 style='width:48pt'></td> </tr> <![endif]></table>

zak52
11-23-02, 09:29 AM
Let's Go Terps and Let's Go Pack.

The Zizz
11-23-02, 10:13 AM
Let's Go Irish (Come on, shouldn't be too difficult, Rutgers at home)

Let's go michigan, washington, and texas tech too.

Pharoh
11-23-02, 10:14 AM
Wow, I didnt realise there were other games today. ;)

twikoff
11-23-02, 10:35 AM
rivalry jokes
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=RoastRivalsLetters021121

Rainman15
11-23-02, 10:53 AM
GO Nittany Lions!

das Monkey
11-23-02, 11:58 AM
GO CAVS!

das

John Sy
11-23-02, 12:03 PM
Go Washington State!

And go Michigan too!

And go Syracuse for next week and VA Tech for the week after that.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 01:17 PM
OK, Lloyd ... this is 4 own territory. Don't settle for another field goal against this second half team.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
OK, Lloyd ... this is 4 own territory. Don't settle for another field goal against this second half team.

das

even with 2nd and goal from the 34? :lol:

4th and goal from the 5 now :hscratch:

das Monkey
11-23-02, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth twikoff <HR SIZE=1>even with 2nd and goal from the 34? :lol:

4th and goal from the 5 now :hscratch: <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, not then. :) But 1st and goal inside the 10 with that game, you gotta be thinking 4 downs. Too bad they can't stick it in the end zone. That's going to come back to bite them in the second half.

Notre Dame is still playing like crap.

das

Ranger
11-23-02, 02:12 PM
Why is ND playing a 1-9 team?!!

Hope Michigan wins today.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 03:30 PM
Big thanks to Rutgers for giving us some time to work through our demons and build some confidence before next week. The first quarter, we played as bad as we did the last two weeks, but after the slip-screen TD pass to Battle to start the second quarter, we've played a lot more like the team that started 8-0.

das

Ranger
11-23-02, 03:39 PM
Damn, OSU wins again.

immortal_zeus
11-23-02, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
rivalry jokes
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=RoastRivalsLetters021121

Okay, I deleted my thread. :(

http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif

immortal_zeus
11-23-02, 04:41 PM
Go Bows! Woohoo!

http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif

Ranger
11-23-02, 04:47 PM
Wow. Auburn's beating 'bama 17-0! :lol:

Daryl
11-23-02, 04:58 PM
Nice of Michigan State to show up today. 41-0 after only 25 minutes of football!?

Daryl
11-23-02, 05:08 PM
Penn State's Larry Johnson at almost 300 yards in the first half? I've never seen a performance like this.

Steelers Fan
11-23-02, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Daryl
Penn State's Larry Johnson at almost 300 yards in the first half? I've never seen a performance like this.

And over 2000 for the season yet no talk of heisman.

Sockmonkey
11-23-02, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by Ranger
Damn, OSU wins again.

Damn. OSU must REALLY suck. :(

twikoff
11-23-02, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Steelers Fan
And over 2000 for the season yet no talk of heisman.

thats what you get for not campaigning before the season!
dont you realize, half of the heisman battle is fought off the season ;)

speaking of which.. carson palmer is building his case for the heisman as well..

my choice right now would be brad banks.. but their regular season is over, while there some teams will still be playing games over the next 3 weeks, so voters will forget about him by then

das Monkey
11-23-02, 06:38 PM
Ugh ... this is a frustrating day. It helps Notre Dame if both F$U and Maryland win today, but my heart wants both of them to lose (strange, since I used to always cheer for Maryland). On top of that, I need F$U to beat Florida. Conflicting loyalties suck.

das

Quake1028
11-23-02, 06:44 PM
Let's go NC State!!! Woot!!! Now that Miami is guaranteed of going to the Fiesta as long as they take care of business, I want to see FSU suffer as much as possible.

shizawn
11-23-02, 06:49 PM
2 safeties in one quarter? there's something you don't see too often.

twikoff
11-23-02, 06:53 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr eagle!!!

hell yea.. just knocked off #9 bama 17-7!

considering we are a rushing team.. when we lost our fullback.. we figured we were screwed.. but to also lose our top 3 running backs and be left with the 4th string tail back (a true freshman) and to come in and play a defense like alabama.. i wouldnt have given us much of a chance..

damn, this is sweet.. our season may not have ended up great, since we blew chances to win against florida, georgia, and usc and will only end up at 8-4.. but we did knock off two teams that were in the top 10 when we played them! and beating bama is the most important part of any auburn season!

das Monkey
11-23-02, 06:53 PM
Assuming Miami can win out, I guess it really doesn't matter how Notre Dame's opponents finish, since their BCS fate will be pretty much the same if they beat USC. If they lose to USC, I have to assume Iowa and USC would get the two at large spots (unless USC loses to UCLA, in which case, any number of things could happen, particularly if Georgia or Oklahoma doesn't win their conference).

Aw ... screw it. Go Wolfpack! Go Cavs!

das

zak52
11-23-02, 06:54 PM
MD just played their worst half since the FSU game. They might be blowing a big gift from NC State.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth twikoff <HR SIZE=1>waaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr eagle!!!<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why couldn't you save just a little hatred for Georgia instead of rolling over on them? ;)

I guess if LSU loses one, you get another shot, but I'm not sure I want that pansy team giving another gift to the Dawgs in my hometown. :)

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey

I guess if LSU loses out, you get another shot, but that's pretty unlikely.


sec championship game/other games this season = less important

beating bama = the purpose of the entire season!!

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:02 PM
I wasn't thinking straight when I posted that, anyway ... I forgot about Arkansas. If they win out, they go. Regardless, the Dawgs are going to get a freebie.

das

TruGator
11-23-02, 07:16 PM
Go Wolfpack!!

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:18 PM
Uh oh ... Oklahoma looked strong on their opening drive. Meanwhile, Washington is doing a good job moving the chains against State.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:22 PM
Grr ... Washington fools everyone with a fake punt, and the receiver flat drops the pass.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:23 PM
channels?
Ive got wash/wsu on fox sports
but where is the oklahoma game? espn2?

Toad
11-23-02, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
... Regardless, the Dawgs are going to get a freebie.

das

How so? I don't think any of the potential SEC West teams can be considered a "freebie." Freaky stuff happens all the time --- any one of those teams has the potential to blow Georgia out of the water, and vice versa.


Aside from that, what are the implications of FSU losing in terms of the ACC?

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:24 PM
what did virginia just do? I flip over to miss a trick play?
27-7 now

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Toad
How so? I don't think any of the potential SEC West teams can be considered a "freebie." Freaky stuff happens all the time --- any one of those teams has the potential to blow Georgia out of the water, and vice versa.


Aside from that, what are the implications of FSU losing in terms of the ACC?

well.. lsu has been ravished by injury, and i dont really think they can be considered competitive anymore (look at how both auburn and bama destroyed them).. and its hard to say whats up with arkansas, but I dont think they would be considered a strong opponent for georgia this year

Toad
11-23-02, 07:26 PM
Oh man 2nd and 8!!!!!! :confused:

das, you should have been a play-by-play announcer!

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:26 PM
Man, Griffin is just running all over Tech's defense.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth twikoff <HR SIZE=1>channels?
Ive got wash/wsu on fox sports
but where is the oklahoma game? espn2? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

TBS

das

Seeker
11-23-02, 07:27 PM
so what's the "scoop" as to BCS stuff?

Ohio State - Miami....

but how about the other six as of the moment?

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey

TBS

das

ah! :up:
I would have never looked there!

Toad
11-23-02, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
well.. lsu has been ravished by injury, and i dont really think they can be considered competitive anymore (look at how both auburn and bama destroyed them).. and its hard to say whats up with arkansas, but I dont think they would be considered a strong opponent for georgia this year

Is Auburn out of it?

As a UGA fan, I'll be scared of whoever we play. I think LSU is tough despite injuries (don't forget, Georgia has plenty as well), Auburn has the revenge factor, and Arkansas can pull out a solid win for sure, I think.

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Toad
Is Auburn out of it?

As a UGA fan, I'll be scared of whoever we play. I think LSU is tough despite injuries (don't forget, Georgia has plenty as well), Auburn has the revenge factor, and Arkansas can pull out a solid win for sure, I think.

no.. auburn isnt out..
but auburn would need ole miss to beat lsu tonight.. and then lsu to beat arkansas next week.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth Toad <HR SIZE=1>How so? I don't think any of the potential SEC West teams can be considered a "freebie." Freaky stuff happens all the time --- any one of those teams has the potential to blow Georgia out of the water, and vice versa.

Aside from that, what are the implications of FSU losing in terms of the ACC? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, in my opinion the three best teams in the SEC are UGA, Florida, and Alabama. UGA lost to Florida and will avoid Bama. So, for a Championship Game, I don't really think of any of the possible opponents as the best competition. Yeah, anyone can beat anyone (especially the unpredictable Dawgs), but the possible opponents aren't on the top of my feared opponents list. On top of that, if it's LSU or Arkansas, they'll go to the game without even winning the West. In any case, it's good fortune for the Dawgs, something I'm clearly not in favor of. :)

As for F$U, if Maryland wins out now, they'll likely take F$U's BCS bid, even though F$U will win the ACC.

das

shizawn
11-23-02, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Seeker
so what's the "scoop" as to BCS stuff?

Ohio State - Miami....

but how about the other six as of the moment?

Assuming the highest ranked team win its respective conference:

Oklahoma
Florida St. (since it looks like Maryland is going to lose today)
Washington St.
Georgia

The at large births appear to be Iowa and the winner of next weeks USC-Notre Dame game.

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey

As for F$U, if Maryland wins out now, they'll likely take F$U's BCS bid, even though F$U will win the ACC.

das
of course.. virginia is smacking maryland around right now though..
27-7 halfway through the 4rd.. and virginia is driving again

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:36 PM
I wouldn't count on the revenge factor for Auburn. I question the heart of a team that rolls over on a chance to win the SEC. I know they hate their inbred bretheren at Bama, but they clearly don't care about winning against Georgia or they wouldn't have snatched defeat from victory. As for LSU, Florida rolled over under them early on, but they've looked REALLY ugly since then and don't have another win that looks remotely impressive. I wouldn't be afraid of them too much.

das

zak52
11-23-02, 07:37 PM
This MD game is just snowballing now. The Terps can't do nothing right. Oh Well a New Years Day bowl is still a possibility.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth twikoff <HR SIZE=1>of course.. virginia is smacking maryland around right now though..
27-7 halfway through the 4rd.. and virginia is driving again <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah ... just answering his question. :)

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by zak52
This MD game is just snowballing now. The Terps can't do nothing right. Oh Well a New Years Day bowl is still a possibility.

wow.. 34-7 now :eek:

Toad
11-23-02, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
<BLOCKQUOTE>[SIZE=1] Quoth Toad <HR SIZE=1>How so? I don't think any of the potential SEC West teams can be considered a "freebie." Freaky stuff happens all the time --- any one of those teams has the potential to blow Georgia out of the water, and vice versa.


Well, in my opinion the three best teams in the SEC are UGA, Florida, and Alabama. UGA lost to Florida and will avoid Bama. So, for a Championship Game, I don't really think of any of the possible opponents as the best competition. ....
das

Let's not forget that UGA also beat Alabama since we're bringing up that UGA lost to Florida.

I'm petitioning for a NCAA FOOTBALL NOV. 30 PLAY-BY-PLAY thread, what do you think? ;)

zak52
11-23-02, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
wow.. 34-7 now :eek:
Yeah it's been a pathetic showing by the Terps. To think the Terps were a dropped pass from leading 14-3. It might have been a different game. The most disappointing thing is they had to know that FSU lost and they are still getting manhandled. Maybe it's best they lose. If they played like this in a BCS bowl they would really get smoked again. Come to think of it, if they play like this they'll get smoked by anybody.

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:42 PM
wow.. corso and herbstreet actually stepped up and took a big bite of crow after picking bama to win big :up:

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:42 PM
UGA beating Alabama doesn't have anything to do with LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn not being particularly strong opponents for the Championship game.

das

TruGator
11-23-02, 07:43 PM
You gotta love the ACC...FSU gets totally dominated and they are going to be awarded with an ACC Championship.

They could end up with 5 losses and a trip to a BCS bowl...what a joke that would be.

Toad
11-23-02, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
UGA beating Alabama doesn't have anything to do with LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn not being particularly strong opponents for the Championship game.

das

Hey man, you're the one who brought up UF beating UGA, which is equally irrelevant. ;)

SIGN THE PETITION

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
UGA beating Alabama doesn't have anything to do with LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn not being particularly strong opponents for the Championship game.

das

keep in mind.. auburn was 1 play from beating florida and georgia.. and should have beaten usc
auburn may not have a great team this year.. but they have a pretty good one

Toad
11-23-02, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by TruGator
You gotta love the ACC...FSU gets totally dominated and they are going to be awarded with an ACC Championship.

They could end up with 5 losses and a trip to a BCS bowl...what a joke that would be.

....dominated by non-ACC opponents. That's how Conference Championships work. But I do agree --- it shouldn't strictly be Big Ten champ, SEC champ, and ACC champ, etc. that go to the top bowl games.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth shizawn <HR SIZE=1>The at large births appear to be Iowa and the winner of next weeks USC-Notre Dame game. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's who I'd take. If UGA loses a game, I'd knock them out. If Oklahoma loses to Tech, they're out. If they lose to Colorado, though, they may have a case for bumping USC, but I'd still take the winner of USC/Notre Dame.

das

zak52
11-23-02, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by TruGator


They could end up with 5 losses and a trip to a BCS bowl...what a joke that would be.
I think this is wrong. I believe to make a BCS bowl a team needs 9 wins. If FSU loses next week that would leave them at 8-5.

zak52
11-23-02, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
keep in mind.. auburn was 1 play from beating florida and georgia.. and should have beaten usc
auburn may not have a great team this year.. but they have a pretty good one
I agree Auburn has shown they can be a great team. They look like a top 5 team at times. But then they had a couple of bad games like Syracuse(even though they won) and Arkansas.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth TruGator <HR SIZE=1>You gotta love the ACC...FSU gets totally dominated and they are going to be awarded with an ACC Championship.

They could end up with 5 losses and a trip to a BCS bowl...what a joke that would be. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

The SEC has been known to send 4+ loss teams to the BCS too. At least if F$U has 5 losses, 3 will be Miami, Notre Dame, and Florida, all non-conference powerhouse programs.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:49 PM
:lol: if thats true.. wouldnt that be the ultimate insult for the acc
if they didnt send a single team to the bcs bowls, including their conf champ who is suppose to get an automatic berth!

shizawn
11-23-02, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by TruGator
You gotta love the ACC...FSU gets totally dominated and they are going to be awarded with an ACC Championship.

They could end up with 5 losses and a trip to a BCS bowl...what a joke that would be.

No doubt.

There should be a rule if you're not ranked in the final BCS standings (and FSU won't if they lose to the Gators, and they might not be even if they win) that you shouldn't receive a BCS birth, no matter how you do in your conference.

So maybe it ends up with one conference not having a BCS representative for a particular year. That's what should happen when you play poorly outside of your conference. Granted, FSU has had a pretty brutal non-conference schedule, but possibly going 1-4 shouldn't result in getting an invite to one of the top 4 bowls.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:51 PM
Meanwhile, Texas Tech looks pathetic as Kingsbury has 3 hours to find a receiver but ends up taking a safety to make it 0-16. :(

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:51 PM
on the bright side..
if fsu gets the automatic berth.. the fsu haters might get to see them get lit up

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Meanwhile, Texas Tech looks pathetic as Kingsbury has 3 hours to find a receiver but ends up taking a safety to make it 0-16. :(

das

unless your expecting miami to lose a game..
or your an oklahoma/texes tech fan
what significance does this game actually have?

shizawn
11-23-02, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by twikoff
on the bright side..
if fsu gets the automatic berth.. the fsu haters might get to see them get lit up

Well, there's always that. :)

Toad
11-23-02, 07:54 PM
I hope they do; I would love to see a UGA-FSU game with Mark Richt coaching against his mentor. (Assuming UGA can pull off a win on Dec. 8)

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth Toad <HR SIZE=1>I hope they do; I would love to see a UGA-FSU game with Mark Richt coaching against his mentor. (Assuming UGA can pull off a win on Dec. 8) <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Talk about a no-win situation for me. :) I'd have to root for a natural disaster.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 07:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth twikoff <HR SIZE=1>unless your expecting miami to lose a game..
or your an oklahoma/texes tech fan
what significance does this game actually have? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um ...

1) It's Saturday ... and it's a college football game. What's more important than that?

2) The winner plays for the Big-XII title and a shot at the BCS ... I guess that's kinda important.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey

Um ...

1) It's Saturday ... and it's a college football game. What's more important than that?

2) The winner plays for the Big-XII title and a shot at the BCS ... I guess that's kinda important.

das

:lol: oh ok..
i was just wondering if I was missing some larger significance than that :D

The Zizz
11-23-02, 08:00 PM
Wow, surprised to see FSU lose.

And wow, Maryland...yikes. Nothing to say, really. God bless the ACC...maybe they'll be the first conference to send an unranked team to a bcs bowl.

I think that every team Notre Dame has played this year lost today, except purdue.

Josh H
11-23-02, 08:04 PM
Great week for me. WVU knocks of VT, FSU loses giving the MD fan's a beacon of hope, only to have the Terps choke. :D

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:05 PM
Yeah, a rough day for our SoS. A Michigan win could have been HUGE for us, both opening it up for a one-loss team and the quality win points we'd inevitably get. Oh well.

das

zak52
11-23-02, 08:08 PM
I remember back in 1999, Stanford won the Pac-10 and went to the Rose Bowl. Not one team in the Pac-10 ended ranked that year. What year did the BCS start? 2000?

zak52
11-23-02, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
FSU loses giving the MD fan's a beacon of hope, only to have the Terps choke. :D
But we still have 41-17. -wink-

Jabx
11-23-02, 08:10 PM
twikoff: congrats on the Tigers' big win today :)

we tried to let MSU beat us but we managed to hang on at the end

Josh H
11-23-02, 08:11 PM
Actually it was 48-17. I painfully remember. If only we'd shown up in the first quarter. Oh well, maybe we'll get a rematch if the gator, if not I'll be in Byrd Stadium (for the 1st time) cheering for WVU next october. ;)

zak52
11-23-02, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by zak52
But we still have 41-17. -wink-
Oops...48-17 :D

twikoff
11-23-02, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Jabx
twikoff: congrats on the Tigers' big win today :)

we tried to let MSU beat us but we managed to hang on at the end

thanks!

and yea.. i saw that.. but no way you guys could have lost to miss state.. poor miss state, they are completely horrible this year! :lol:

zak52
11-23-02, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Actually it was 48-17. I painfully remember. If only we'd shown up in the forth quarter. Oh well, maybe we'll get a rematch if the gator, if not I'll be in Byrd Stadium (for the 1st time) cheering for WVU next october. ;)
It was really the first quarter. The Terps built the 28 point lead.

Josh H
11-23-02, 08:16 PM
You caught my typo before I did. ;)

WVU had the same thing happen against Wisconsin in the 2nd. We just decided not to play that quarter, and they scored 29 unanswered points, then never scored again, and won 34-17.

Fortunately, after the MD game they decided to play 4 quarters a game.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:19 PM
Woah ... big stop from Washington at the end of the half. Maybe that will give them some momentum in the 2nd.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:20 PM
Maryland looks worse with each play.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Maryland looks worse with each play.

das

and once you think they cant get any worse.. they do! -eek-

zak52
11-23-02, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Maryland looks worse with each play.

das
It's just one of those games. I can't complain though. After 11 years of terrible football with only one winning season, how can I? Back to back bowls is alright with me. Fridge has this program going in the right direction.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:29 PM
Tech can't get anything going. Oklahoma is running all over them, and their defense is blitzing the hell out of Kingsbury with huge success.

das

Quake1028
11-23-02, 08:29 PM
How 'bout them Canes? :D

TruGator
11-23-02, 08:33 PM
The only good thing about FSU playing in a BCS bowl would be that they get humiliated on national tv and all of the recruits see it and realize they don't wanna go there. :)

http://igiveupagain2.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/FSUgrave.jpg

:lol:

twikoff
11-23-02, 08:33 PM
damn.. i wish i had gone to the virginia game.. they might have let me play a few downs too :(

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:38 PM
Oh no ... that's going to be holding in the end zone and another freakin' safety on Tech.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 08:40 PM
well... Ill be watching ole miss/lsu now
peyton mannings little brother vs casey clausen's little brother :lol:

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:43 PM
I predict an ugly game.

das

davidlynchfan
11-23-02, 08:45 PM
So you mean No one here even Cared about the-

Lousiana-Monroe vs. Louisiana-Lafayette Rivalry? :confused:

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE> Quoth davidlynchfan <HR SIZE=1>So you mean No one here even Cared about the-

Lousiana-Monroe vs. Louisiana-Lafayette Rivalry? :confused: <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say that's a pretty safe bet. ;)

Back to games people care about, Washington opens the 3rd quarter forcing a fumble in Cougar territory!

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:52 PM
What a wasted opportunity as Pickett just drops the ball on 3rd and goal and Anderson misses his 3rd straight field goal attempt.

das

atlantamoi
11-23-02, 08:59 PM
I love college football. Another fun day. I can't believe Auburn pulled out that game and not only won, but pretty much made Bama look tired and weak (at times). This has got to be the best 8-4 team I've ever seen at Auburn. It's frustrating knowing that we "could have" done much more, but the vast majority of this team returns next year. I have had a blast watching little Tre Smith all year and it's wild that he's a 4th stringer and played a good game today.

Time to go pray Ole Miss can beat LSU.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 08:59 PM
And Pickett fumbles AGAIN!

How's this for irony ...

The play was identical to the infamous "Tuck Rule" that robbed the Raiders of a shot at the Super Bowl, except it's considered a fumble this time. Guess who was being interviewed via phone the instant it happened? Drew Bledsoe.

das

davidlynchfan
11-23-02, 09:07 PM
Who Hates that "Movie Bowl Party" crapp that TBS has on after the game is over between TT and OU?,they have it everytime actually and despite some pretty Hot Chicks!-it's still the Gayest
party ever!!-I mean who gets to be invited to it and how come it's the same dumb-ass people everytime.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:10 PM
Damn, Reggie Williams can catch anything. This guy's laughing at double coverage.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:11 PM
Haha ... what kind of idiot roughs a kicker who's missed all 3 attempts in the game?

das

clemente
11-23-02, 09:13 PM
Just thought I'd throw in a mention of USC's complete destruction of UCLA. I went to a local college pub here in Chicago and accidently sat in the UCLA section (duh! the UCLA sweatshirts should have given that away) but it was hard not to cheer especially as we mopped the floor with them. By halftime most of the UCLA crowd has cleared!

And I protest the two 4th quarter touchdowns that UCLA scored against USC's 2nd and 3rd stringers. When you're up by 45 with 9 mins left in the fourth, the other team should be courteoud enough to just die! :)

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:18 PM
Further proof of how bad the Pac-10 is from 3-10. WSU and USC have torn that conference to shreds.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:38 PM
Uh oh ... Gesser's hurt! Scrambling to his right, it looks like he busted up his ankle, which forced him into a position to tear up his knee. Not good for the Cougars.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:43 PM
Good ol' Fox announcers. The intentional grounding rule is outside the tackles AND across the line of scrimmage. That's why no one other than you is complaining about the call. And these people get to vote in polls. -rolleyes-

das

davidlynchfan
11-23-02, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by TruGator
The only good thing about FSU playing in a BCS bowl would be that they get humiliated on national tv and all of the recruits see it and realize they don't wanna go there. :)

:lol:

Another BCS Blunder :confused:

don'y you have to have a minimum of 9 Wins to go BCS?,
The Noles will be 8-5 after getting Whacked in Doak next week.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:49 PM
Geez ... another unforced fumble (read: dropped by an idiot) from Washington. They could be winning this game if they could hold on to the freakin' ball.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:54 PM
Oh my goodness ... they fumbled AGAIN! This is insane.

das

Josh H
11-23-02, 09:57 PM
I seem to recall that the 9 win rule is only for the at large bids. I think the automatic league champion bids are just that-- automatic. I don't think wins matters as long as you win a major conference with an automatic bid. They just weren't counting on a major conference being as mediocre as the ACC.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 09:57 PM
Oh my freakin' GOD!

I reiterate my assertion that Reggie Williams can catch ANYTHING! Double coverage, thrown to the wrong guy, and he jumps over both guys' backs and rips the ball from them in the air.

das

Josh H
11-23-02, 10:08 PM
Looks like WVU will definitely make the top 25 tomorrow. They were 27th in the coaches poll and 28th in the AP poll prior to beating VT in Blacksburg.

Plus a bunch of teams at the bottom of the polls lost today. By coaches poll rankings, 24 UCLA, 23 Texas Tech, 22 TCU, all lost, 20 LSU is losing early, and 25 hawaii plays a tough cincy squad later tonight.

NC State and Auburn winning didn't help though, as NC State was 26 in the coaches and AP and Auburn was 27 in the AP.

There's probably some chance of Maryland falling out of the top 25, or behind WVU, as well.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 10:10 PM
Williams with his 9th catch of the half and the first down inside the Washington State 10!

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 10:13 PM
Anyone else smell that?

No, <B>twikoff</B> didn't fart ...

Overtime.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 10:40 PM
Oh ... my ... God.

Is anyone watching this Washington / Washington State game?

That's one of the most f'd up things I've ever seen.

das

P.S. 3rd OT

wildcatlh
11-23-02, 10:47 PM
Wow... Washington wins.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 10:50 PM
Holy carp! What an ending. F'd up play after f'd up play. Anderson misses 4 field goals to open the game and then makes his last 5 in a row, 1 to put the game into OT, and 1 for each of 3 OTs. Absolutely incredible game. WSU probably would have won had Gesser not been hurt, but huge props to Washington for recovering from a rough season. They're a very good team and better than some of the teams they lost to. What a great way to finish their season.

das

Mr. M
11-23-02, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by das Monkey
Oh ... my ... God.

Is anyone watching this Washington / Washington State game?



Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

das Monkey
11-23-02, 11:14 PM
I just love these West Coast night games. For whatever reason, there are a lot of teams out west that have never heard of Defense, and it makes for some entertaining games.

das

das Monkey
11-23-02, 11:16 PM
Pretty unlucky interception for Manning to give LSU a chance to take the lead.

das

twikoff
11-23-02, 11:40 PM
been watching the games..
corrie was on the computer, so I couldnt post

great ending to that wash/wsu game.. washington really got lucky that gesser went out!

looks like ole miss has blown this game.. i dont see any spark left in their offense since manning bumped his elbow

twikoff
11-23-02, 11:43 PM
yep.. that interception will end it

so the arkansas/lsu game next week will decide which one of them gets to be blown away by georgia

Ranger
11-24-02, 12:01 AM
Whew! I don't know.. I think either team could beat Georgia. :D

Ketamine
11-24-02, 12:24 AM
Too bad there isn't a playoff. Kansas State is looking pretty tough right now. Unfortunately, the way things are set up, they aren't even going to be in a good bowl this year. I wish that if they are going to stay with the BCS, it should be #1 vs #2, #3 vs #4, etc and none of this win your conference and you are in a BCS game or you have a large national audience so you get a BCS bowl game crap the way it is now.

nchhabra
11-24-02, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by das Monkey


The SEC has been known to send 4+ loss teams to the BCS too. At least if F$U has 5 losses, 3 will be Miami, Notre Dame, and Florida, all non-conference powerhouse programs.

das

please inform me of that 4 loss team.

2001-02: lsu had 3 losses (tenn, fla, miss) and proceeded to stomp big 10 champ illinois
2000-01: florida had 2 losses (ms st and fsu)
1999-00: alabama had 2 losses (tenn and la tech)
1998-99: tenn had 0 losses

i think that covers the bcs years, but if it doesnt here are a few more.

1997-98: tenn had 1 loss (fla)
1996-97: fla had 1 loss (fsu)
1995-96: fla has 0 losses

my only point with lsu last year, even though they had 3 losses they showed they deserved to be there. for a 5 loss team to be in a bcs game is ridiculous, but fsu won their conference so they did what they had to.

The Zizz
11-24-02, 03:06 AM
Wow, one game finally went the right way today! :) So glad that Washington State lost.

As a result, Notre Dame is almost assuredly in the Orange Bowl, regardless of the outcome of the final game with USC (which I hope they will win regardless...I think they can, but wow has USC looked good). Why? OSU was #1 in the BCS due to a .8 bonus for beating WSU; now miami will stay #1 in the bcs so long as they win out. If Miami goes to the fiesta as #1, the Orange Bowl gets first at large replacement. They desperately want Notre Dame, and have said that they'd still take them with 2 losses.

Go Irish; Beat USC. :)

zak52
11-24-02, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
They just weren't counting on a major conference being as mediocre as the ACC.
ACC is still ranked 4th out of the top 6 conference's. The only thing wrong with the ACC is there isn't that one national contending team this year. Team's 2 through 7 are pretty solid though.

Th0r S1mpson
11-24-02, 10:55 AM
Washington/Washington State game:

You know what? Even with Gesser in, the Cougs never scored a touchdown after their 3 quick scores in the game. After that, it was all dogs. No question when he went out in the 4th that was the beginning of the end for them (false starts, an INT), but you have to admit, the unranked Huskies put it together for the "then #3" Cougars... and earned this one.

Game would have been different with Gesser in, but that's football. And the UW won.

One cool thing about his game, all the OT's etc... there were some CLOSE plays and some extremely strange and difficult calls... but the ref's got them ALL right in the end (as much as I wanted to kill them after the double-forward-pass call that brought back an OT touchdown and victory for the Huskies).

What a game.

I'll rememeber this one for a long time to come :)


Only down-side is that Gesser may miss their bowl appearance. Hope he can get healthy fast... I'd like to see him.

The Zizz
11-24-02, 09:04 PM
If Gesser can't play, WSU has to be careful they don't lose to UCLA and miss out on the Rose Bowl all together (USC would get it if wsu lost to ucla)...although the bruins looked pretty darn awful against usc.

das Monkey
11-24-02, 09:13 PM
Yeah, all hell could break lose if UCLA beats WSU, and then USC beats Notre Dame.

That leaves a lot of really good 2-loss teams fighting for the last at large spot. Add to that the chance that UGA or OU loses their championship game, and you have 2 more strong 2-loss teams fighting it out. Could get crazy.

In any case, USC vs. Iowa in the Rose Bowl would be a great game to watch.

das

wildcatlh
11-25-02, 08:18 AM
There has never been a 4-loss team in the BCS. However, there have been 3 teams with less then 9 wins. (Syracuse '98, Stanford '99, Purdue '00; all of them were 8-3).

wildcatlh
11-25-02, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by The Zizz
As a result, Notre Dame is almost assuredly in the Orange Bowl, regardless of the outcome of the final game with USC (which I hope they will win regardless...I think they can, but wow has USC looked good). Why? OSU was #1 in the BCS due to a .8 bonus for beating WSU; now miami will stay #1 in the bcs so long as they win out. If Miami goes to the fiesta as #1, the Orange Bowl gets first at large replacement. They desperately want Notre Dame, and have said that they'd still take them with 2 losses.

I agree that ND is going to be in the Orange Bowl regardless of what happens this weekend ... although you have to admit, the OB would be under a lot of pressure to take USC if USC has the same record as ND, is ranked higher than ND, and beat them head-to-head ... although they'd pick ND anyways.

Then again, if Washington State loses this weekend, that becomes a nonissue, since USC would be an automatic qualifier into the Rose...

Red Dog
11-25-02, 10:08 AM
Certainly an embarrassing situation for the ACC. I don't need to look at ratings to form an opinion that the ACC is the worst of the major conferences this season. If FSU loses to Florida, which I think is likely, that just makes it look worse.

The door was open for the Terps and the Cavs basically slammed in their faces. That was a very disappointing effort for the Terps. Given the lopsided score, I am definitely concerned that the Gator will opt for UVA (even though they never bring anyone to bowl games) instead of MD. The decision on the ACC rep is probably tied to the Big East rep. If WV beats Pitt, I think they will go for WV-UVA. If Pitt wins, I think they'll go Pitt-MD. Of course, MD has to beat Wake on Saturday too. VT could help MD out by beating the Cavs as well.

Congratulations to the Buckeyes. I look forward to seeing them play the Canes. This Buckeye team reminds me of the 2000 Oklahoma and 1992 Alabama squads that went undefeated (mainly because of great defense), had little respect, and were heavy underdogs to offensive juggernauts in the national championship game. I will gladly take the Buckeyes and the 14-15 pts they will be getting against Miami.

Red Dog
11-25-02, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by WildcatLH
I agree that ND is going to be in the Orange Bowl regardless of what happens this weekend ... although you have to admit, the OB would be under a lot of pressure to take USC if USC has the same record as ND, is ranked higher than ND, and beat them head-to-head ... although they'd pick ND anyways.

Then again, if Washington State loses this weekend, that becomes a nonissue, since USC would be an automatic qualifier into the Rose...


Yeah - USC is going to get screwed, no doubt if they win (which I think they will). If they get ahead of ND, they have to try to run it up on national television to influence pollsters to really move ND down.

das Monkey
11-25-02, 10:44 AM
Well, you know my feelings on this. It's the same argument I've used on all the other idiotic things the pollsters have done. If USC beats Notre Dame, they have to go. Same record, hardest schedule in the country, head-to-head victory. What more could you want? But the pollsters have shown all season (and for years) that they don't care about these things, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them get another one wrong. This time, though, it would be a money-hungry selection committee drooling over the money Notre Dame could bring them, so at least their motivations would be clear. Why the pollsters act so moronically is more a mystery.

das

clemente
11-25-02, 07:11 PM
The possibilty of a USC victory against Notre Dame and no BCS bowl, and no Rose Bowl (should WSU beat UCLA) has me very depressed.

But I understand because it obvious that a team like FSU has earned there way to a BCS bowl.......

Jeremy517
11-25-02, 07:15 PM
If USC beats ND, they will get a bid no matter what.

Matt Kegel greatly increases USC's chance of getting the automatic bid though. WSU without Gesser won't be able to score much. :(

das Monkey
11-25-02, 07:30 PM
Yeah, that would be rough. It's understandable, but it still sucks. The loss to K. State is what really hurts. You can go 2nd in your conference and still go to the BCS if you only lose to the 1st place team or split undefeated and lose a non-conf early, but USC lost to their conference leader AND a non-conf. While K. State can destroy average teams, they haven't gotten it done against the two good teams they played (other than USC, of course), and they avoided the best team in their conference ... Oklahoma, who would have beaten them badly. Consequently, K. State has one of the worst SoS in the nation, padding their 10-2 record.

If they beat the Irish, I think they deserve to go, but at the same time, they've put themselves in a bad position. They really should have beaten K. State, where Palmer had a dismal game, and they choked in OT at Washington State. They're better than they played those two Saturdays. Still, they should go.

das

The Zizz
11-25-02, 08:40 PM
USC could get a bid over ND if then win, but they will probably have to dominate the game and win big...if the orange bowl committee has any reason to pick ND, they will...they said in an interview that they'd have to think about how well USC fans would travel to miami, etc. They said if it was a close game and ND only lost by a few points, and it could have gone the other way and sc didn't show that they were a clearly a superior team, that they would "take that into account."

But Notre Dame is going to win anyways, so no worries about that.

das Monkey
11-26-02, 09:35 AM
It's a sticky situation, because the way I look at it, if Notre Dame loses to USC and goes 10-2 ... they deserve BCS consideration ... but they don't deserve it over USC (or Iowa, of course). Depending on how things play out (like OU losing to Colorado), I'd list Notre Dame as the 3rd most deserving At Large selection. It's going to be very tempting to take the 3rd best over the 2nd best considering how profitable they must think it will be. Normally, takine the 3rd best over the 2nd best wouldn't be <I>that</I> big a deal, since Bowls do this ALL the freakin' time. The fact that they'll play each other in the last game of the season ... that's what gives it the added scrutiny.

The flip side to that is if Notre Dame wins, I say they're the #1 at large team (over Iowa). The way I understand the system, if Miami is #1, then the Orange gets first choice and would take the Irish. With Washington State losing, this makes Ohio State's chances of BCS #1 pretty slim. But I guess it could still happen, and if it did, then the Rose would get first selection. Would they be tempted to take Notre Dame over Iowa? A pretty unlikely scenario, I guess, but I'm sure they'd be tempted.

das

Red Dog
11-26-02, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by The Zizz
USC could get a bid over ND if then win, but they will probably have to dominate the game and win big


Yeah - this is what I mentioned earlier. It makes USC a very tempting pick ATS this week. If there is ever a time to run up the score, it is Saturday night in L.A. That 10.5 pt spread still seems to be too much. I was ready to jump on it if it was 7 or 8, but not sure about 10.5. Instead, I might wait for the total to be set and then bet the over.

das Monkey
11-26-02, 10:11 AM
Yeah, 10.5 is a tough spread on a defensive team like the Irish.

These things are impossible to judge, since you never know which team will show up to a game, but I'll say this: USC won't <I>beat</I> Notre Dame by 10.5 points. The Irish may bring their "BC Game" and screw it up themselves, but if both teams play their best, +10.5 points is not a good bet.

das