They gave it a 7.3, the user rating seems to be very high though... I never really contemplated buying this $200 game, what does everybody else think?
zig
11-22-02, 11:29 PM
They rated the Value as 4/10. I think that about sums it up for me. 200 bucks for a mech game? No way. You'll have enough trouble getting me to spend 50 bucks for a mech game.
Flay
11-22-02, 11:48 PM
It's not a $200 game. It's a $50 game with a bundled $150 controller. The controller will also be used in the sequel which will have XBox Live support. Also, Capcom is encouraging other devs to use their controller for their own mech games.
It's no different than buying a $150 Flight Yoke such as:
It's a niche game with monetary limitations for a small market. That's already a given. Gamespot should rate the game on its merits, not its cost.
Lastblade
11-22-02, 11:59 PM
Most people don't like to buy a dedicated controller just for one game.
It is too bad. I personally have no problem with that because if the game is good, a dedicated controller makes the game THAT much more immersive and fun.
Case in point, I bought the Samba De Amigo Maracas and they are crowd favorite at my parties :)
However, $200 is still alot of money.
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 12:00 AM
Yes it is a $200 game, because it requires the controller.
Apparently you didn't read the review - GameSpot didn't just focus on the price......
drexel
11-23-02, 12:04 AM
always add at least 2 or 3 whole point to any gamespot x box review when deciding if you are interested in a game. Better yet avoid gamespot's x box reviews and check 3 or four other sites for a proper perspective
TheMadMonk
11-23-02, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Flay
It's not a $200 game. It's a $50 game with a bundled $150 controller. The controller will also be used in the sequel which will have XBox Live support. Also, Capcom is encouraging other devs to use their controller for their own mech games.
It's no different than buying a $150 Flight Yoke such as:
It's a niche game with monetary limitations for a small market. That's already a given. Gamespot should judge the game on its merits, not its cost.
I disagree, at least at this point in time because there are a total of 0 games besides Steel battalion that use this controller right now. Maybe more will in the future, but until they are released, they are vaporware. Also, you cannot play the game with any other controller, giving you no option but to shell out the $200 for the whole package. The flight sticks and racing wheel that you listed aren't required to play flight or racing games, but if you do want them, you at least have numerous manufacturers to choose from.
zig
11-23-02, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by drexel
always add at least 2 or 3 whole point to any gamespot x box review when deciding if you are interested in a game. Better yet avoid gamespot's x box reviews and check 3 or four other sites for a proper perspective
Or better yet, actually read gamespots reviews, discover that they're some of the best internet reviews out there, and take them for what they're worth :)
Josh H
11-23-02, 01:01 AM
I agree Zig. Their reviews are lower than the other sites because they aren't afraid to be critical. IGN always over praises games.
Gamespot and EGM are the only reviewers I put any stock in.
SuprVgeta
11-23-02, 01:07 AM
He does have a point though. They gave Rocky a 5.5/10, and users have given it a 8.8/10. Steel Battalion got a 7.3, and users gave it a 8.7. I know their are other games I've seen like this but I don't feel like going to search for them :)
drexel
11-23-02, 01:08 AM
Zig you obviously haven't either compared thier reviews with other website reviews. Thier average is decidely less favorable towards x box for whatever reason. I'd rather read a review from a website where I can get a review from many sites such as metacritic. Steel batallion was scored 95,90,and 73, gamespot. While another example is Rocky which scores were listed 87 on IGN and 80 on gmes domain and games radar while a 55 on gamespot?? Finally splinter cell with scores of 100, 100, 100, 96, 96, 95, 90 and 86. Once again low score goes to gamespot. I wouldn't rant except after reading reviews from gamespot in the past they rarely justify scores. The most often complaint about games that I've read mainly deal with the reviewer having a difficult time beating a certain area. Besides I have Rocky and it has to be the best boxing game ever or tied with the old nes classic.
Outlaw
11-23-02, 01:11 AM
Before some of you claim they were too harsh on the game, Xengamers also gave this game a "C" rating, which similar to gamespot.
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by drexel
Finally splinter cell with scores of 100, 100, 100, 96, 96, 95, 90 and 86. Once again low score goes to gamespot.
I have to agree with GameSpot's review of Splinter Cell. Even after playing the final version, there were still problems I brought up from the demo, that nobody would listen to. At least GameSpot has the nads to come out and say it, and of course, just like I got a ton of sh*t over it, they are too.
superboyreturns
11-23-02, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Outlaw
Before some of you claim they were too harsh on the game, Xengamers also gave this game a "C" rating, which similar to gamespot.
Actually not. A "70%" score on Gamespot or EGM isn't the same as a grade of "C". 50% is average, and 70% is above average.
I was shocked at the score too, but after i read the review i thought it was warranted. The reviewer pointed out the main flaw in the game as having boring gameplay.
spainlinx0
11-23-02, 02:54 AM
I don't see people's problems with Gamespot. You all complain that they are harsh on Xbox, but I do believe they were the ones who gave Mario Sunshine an 8.1 contrary to MANY sites ratings of 9 or better. So please take off your blinders before deciding they are ONLY harsh with Xbox. I feel that they are fair, and when they do knock a game they DO justify why they gave a score that they did.
Oh and about the reader reviews, go look at their forums, and then realize that those are the people voting, and you will never go by the reader reviews again.
tha_dvd_man
11-23-02, 12:41 PM
This is the same guy that gave the piece of crap State of Emergency an 8.5, and THPS3 a perfect 10, because, ya know, it was so revolutionary. Oh he's trustworthy....
ScandalUMD
11-23-02, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by SuprVgeta
He does have a point though. They gave Rocky a 5.5/10, and users have given it a 8.8/10. Steel Battalion got a 7.3, and users gave it a 8.7. I know their are other games I've seen like this but I don't feel like going to search for them :)
Rocky fans are going to like the game because they love the franchise, and Steel Battalion owners are going to insist the game is great because they don't want to feel like idiots for dropping $200 on it.
Josh H
11-23-02, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by spainlinx0
I don't see people's problems with Gamespot. You all complain that they are harsh on Xbox, but I do believe they were the ones who gave Mario Sunshine an 8.1 contrary to MANY sites ratings of 9 or better. So please take off your blinders before deciding they are ONLY harsh with Xbox.
Exactly. I see the same thing with fanboys on the EGM forum. One EGM reviewer game Eternal Darkness a 7, later one gave Star Fox a 4.5. So they Nintendo fanboys says they're biased against Nintendo.
An x-box game or two gets mediocre reviews (like Blinx) now they're biased against MS (even though they picked the x-box over the GC in their "which to buy" feature last fall).
Some people just take lower than usual reviews as bias when they don't agree with them, instead of just respecting them as one reviewers opinion at a site or magazine that isn't afraid to be tough on big name releases.
Skull
11-23-02, 02:27 PM
Forget about reviews. Is ANYONE going to buy this game? In my opinion, I'd rather buy a GC and Metroid Prime.
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 02:45 PM
I know theres a few people on here who said they would buy it. I'm sure no matter what, anyone who buys it would rate it highly, after throwing down such a huge chunk of change on it.
Gallant Pig
11-23-02, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by KingSmoth
I know theres a few people on here who said they would buy it. I'm sure no matter what, anyone who buys it would rate it highly, after throwing down such a huge chunk of change on it.
Uhh.. that's for the commentary on the game. Let us know how you like it once you buy it, thanks! ;) Hey maybe you should play it for five minutes in EB to give us your final judgement on the entire game. :D
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
Uhh.. that's for the commentary on the game. Let us know how you like it once you buy it, thanks! ;) Hey maybe you should play it for five minutes in EB to give us your final judgement on the entire game. :D
Actually, I played for about 10 minutes.
Gallant Pig
11-23-02, 03:01 PM
:lol: So where's the Steel Battalion SUCKS thread? :D
dgc
11-23-02, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Skull
Forget about reviews. Is ANYONE going to buy this game? In my opinion, I'd rather buy a GC and Metroid Prime.
As much as I would love to get SB, I totally agree with you. A GC and Metroid Prime, IMO, is a better gaming value. Unless of course your a hardcore Mech fan and just cant do with out.
darqleo
11-23-02, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Skull
Forget about reviews. Is ANYONE going to buy this game? In my opinion, I'd rather buy a GC and Metroid Prime.
Word! Why anyone would be playing anything else but Metroid Prime right now is beyond me. This game rules the Earth! THE EARTH I SAY!
Josh H
11-23-02, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by dgc
A GC and Metroid Prime, IMO, is a better gaming value.
IMO, it's only a better value simply because there are several other great games you can play on the GC. Buying a GC just for Metroid Prime would still be $200 for one game, which is way more than I'm willing to play. I'd consider someone buying a GC for metroid, and having no interest in the other games, just as much of a poor value, as someone paying $200 for Steel Battallion.
Of course, I could care less how people spend their money (and many have more money that they know what to do with) but $200 for any one game is ridiculous in my opinion. ;)
KingSmoth
11-23-02, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Gallant Pig
:lol: So where's the Steel Battalion SUCKS thread? :D
Never played Steel Battalion, just going along with your "funny".
The only game I played at EB was Quantum Redshift, which, after 10 minutes of play, I found boring, slow, and the visuals weren't impressive as claimed. Splinter Cell, I spent a few hours playing the demo, and I've played the final version which still has problems, so I'm passing on it.
I just consider Steel Battalion a complete waste, mech fan or not. I'm a diehard Resident Evil fanboy, but I wouldn't spend $200 for any kind of RE game. I felt bad enough throwing down $60 for Time Crisis II, and that's only $10 more than a regular priced game.....
dgc
11-23-02, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
IMO, it's only a better value simply because there are several other great games you can play on the GC. Buying a GC just for Metroid Prime would still be $200 for one game, which is way more than I'm willing to play. I'd consider someone buying a GC for metroid, and having no interest in the other games, just as much of a poor value, as someone paying $200 for Steel Battallion.
I agree, but even if you bought GC just for Metroid, chances are there are other current and future games you will enjoy on the GC.
Josh H
11-23-02, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by dgc
I agree, but even if you bought GC just for Metroid, chances are there are other current and future games you will enjoy on the GC.
Exactly. That's why I said it's a better value just becaue of that reason. With Steel Battallion, one's likely paying $200 just to play it and it's sequel. I don't think it's very likely that other companies will waste the time and money to support the controller as not enough people will have it to make it cost effective.
Anyway, to get back on topic, EGM game it and 8.0, 9.5, 8.0. So there's yet another reason to get off gamespot's back.
Here's the quote that probably best sums up the game from one of the 8.0 reviews.
"Anyone who sees Battalion's awesome, massive controller cannot resist giving it a test drive-- but 10 minutes later only the stubborn, the hardcore, and they truly mech-obsessed will have the desire to continue. It's slow, it's difficult, it's unappologetically complicated....but it's also incredibly realistic, unique and engrossing."
So basically its a great game for its type, but its for a small, niche market of mech fans and the extreme hardcore, and as such reviews in the 8-9 range are to be expected. The 9.5-10 range is reserved for true AAA games that appeal to a very wide audience.
Outlaw
11-23-02, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by superboyreturns
Actually not. A "70%" score on Gamespot or EGM isn't the same as a grade of "C". 50% is average, and 70% is above average.
ah! right you are! I forgot about that, i was in" school mode" when i wrote that :).
dgc
11-23-02, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by darqleo
Word! Why anyone would be playing anything else but Metroid Prime right now is beyond me. This game rules the Earth! THE EARTH I SAY!
Two little words: XBOX Live
As great as Metroid is, I'm having way too much fun playing Live.
dek
11-24-02, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Skull
Forget about reviews. Is ANYONE going to buy this game? In my opinion, I'd rather buy a GC and Metroid Prime.
Checking in :) Just picked it up tonight. Actually sold my Gamecube and took the money and hid it away for this release as I only bought the GC for Rogue Leader at the time. Played SB for about 10 minutes, heaven :D
Shoulda seen the looks I got walking out the store with the box :D Took me about 3 to 5 minutes to assemble the controller and that was going real slow just to be on the safe side.
Anyways, its going to take me some time to get used to the controls and whatnot, but from the limited time I played, I could care less what any reviewer says.
Not that good of a review, then again, I'm sick and dead freakin tired. Tomorrow I'll wake up and the GF will see the new toy and freak :D
Keyser Soze
11-24-02, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by superboyreturns
.... The reviewer pointed out the main flaw in the game as having boring gameplay.
There's a good reason to run out and drop 2 bills!
:lol:
I'd never spend so much for a controller that's used for only 1 game... I learned my lesson with my 'Samba Maracas'
-k
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superboyreturns
11-24-02, 06:43 AM
Okay, my friend got Steel Batallion. He's not a real hardcore videogamer, but he likes having interesting and unique electronic toys. Once i told him about the $200 xbox game, he HAD to have it.
He's actually enjoying it, and he's not a hardcore gamer or a mech fan. He says that sometimes, the way you control games gives you an excuse to "suck" at it (i.e. Resident Evil), and most people say "well, if this was real life an i was doing this blah blah then this wouldn't happen". So he says that SB is as close as you're going to get to playing a videogame as if it were real life.
wildcatlh
11-24-02, 10:57 AM
Saw some guy buying it at EB last night ... (yeah, I know. EB bad. But outside of EB up here there's only a small local chain, and they sell games for $5 above retail). as I was walking out I noticed that everyone was crowding around the guy and basically made him open it then and there so they could see the controller.
As for me, $200 is too much to pay for one game, no matter how cool it may look.
Buy: