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pro-bassoonist
11-08-02, 09:31 PM
The title says it all....AMAZON.FR has it up fro pre-order!!!


(though there's no info about anything else......)

Heliosphann
11-08-02, 11:46 PM
I'll give it a 5% chance it'll have ENG subs...

Rogue588
11-09-02, 12:02 AM
Pics? :D

Hendrik
11-09-02, 12:25 AM
...oh yes... pics... please ! ! ! (...especially of the ykw scenes, the ones that "push the envelope" of contemporary filmmaking!...)

. . . . . . . . ! ! ! A C H T U N G ! ! ! S P O I L E R S ! ! ! . . . . . . . .

...a <a href="http://www.joblo.com/irreversible.htm">review</a> of the movie... and <a href="http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/072502/mpp.html">something else</a>...
...and a <a href="http://www.montrealfilmjournal.com/review.asp?R=R0000634">Canadian POV</a>... and another <a href="http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2002/09/1315.cfm">Canadian POV</a>...

...what? me ironic?...

. . . :o . . .

pro-bassoonist
11-09-02, 01:52 AM
....pics??....this must be the most stupid thing I've ever heard...


....and on the issue of "push the envelope of contemporary filmmaking".....though I have not yet seen the movie...I am sure that it does have its message.....remember....I am not exactly sure that when Brando's Last Tango in Paris first came out people were thrilled about "that" scene OK..??.....so let's not be ironic here.....

Rogue588
11-09-02, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
....pics??....this must be the most stupid thing I've ever heard... [An explanation for those that are humour deficient]

You should get out more. There's an unwritten rule that when you mention a female of excessive beauty [such as Monica Bellucci] it's mandatory that at least one pic be posted. :)

[/An explanation for those that are humour deficient]

To be honest, I knew nothing about this flick. The "(M.Bellucci)" part is what caught my eye.

Anyways...thanks for the links Hendrik. Next time i'll know to leave my sense of humour in the other forum.

BTW...what is "ykw"?

Hendrik
11-09-02, 02:37 AM
"BTW...what is "ykw"?" -> you know what

. . . ;) . . .

pro-bassoonist
11-09-02, 12:09 PM
....right.....the only problem is that the pic "reference" is somewhat more linked to the rape scene.....or is it not!??? So, I am not sure what kind of humor you're implying here.....


...as far as me going out.....this has nothing to do with the thread (though you could thrust me that I do my best)...

ps
Maybe if you look at the Cannes official website you'll even find that you missed more than you knew....not just IRREVERSIBLE

Rogue588
11-09-02, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
....right.....the only problem is that the pic "reference" is somewhat more linked to the rape scene.....or is it not!??? So, I am not sure what kind of humor you're implying here..... Read this again...s l o w l y...Originally posted by Rogue588
To be honest, I knew nothing about this flick. The "(M.Bellucci)" part is what caught my eye. Nothing means "No part; no portion". I didn't know about the fire extinguisher or the rape until I checked out the links that Hendrik posted. So my pic "reference", as I clarified, was somewhat more linked to Monica Bellucci.

eXcentris
11-09-02, 03:17 PM
...:)...

http://orientalbeauties.homestead.com/files/Monica_Bellucci1.jpg

pro-bassoonist
11-09-02, 04:05 PM
...so I read it very s-lo-w-l-y and still stand behind my words...I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT YOU NOT KOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THE RAPE SCENE...

..alas....since this movie has been discussed here quite a bit....logically my remark....therefore I did not know that your"reference" was SOMEWHAT linked to M.Bellucci.

With all this said....lets not turn this into "I said You said" thread ok? You could say anything you want of course but from now on I will reply only to remarks regarding the movie......As you could see(from past threads) for quite sometime now I have been waiting for this moivie to be announced so I'd rather discuss articles/reviews as the ones that Hendrik posted or other aspects of the DVD/movie.

Lastly, by no means I hold any grudge towards you or your remarks.....sometimes however the lack of verbal expression makes communication over the Net a bit "tricky".

Sincerely yours,
Pro-bass


PS
I think that eXcentris has done a great job.....granting your wish of course!!!!

Rogue588
11-09-02, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
...so I read it very s-lo-w-l-y and still stand behind my words...I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT YOU NOT KOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THE RAPE SCENE...

..alas....since this movie has been discussed here quite a bit....logically my remark....therefore I did not know that your"reference" was SOMEWHAT linked to M.Bellucci. Knowing what I know about the movie now, looking back at my original post I could see how one might jump to the wrong kind of conclusion about what I was asking for. But I suppose it was the "most stupid thing" comment and [what I thought was] the dismissal of my clarification that triggered my sarcasm.Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
Lastly, by no means I hold any grudge towards you or your remarks.....sometimes however the lack of verbal expression makes communication over the Net a bit "tricky".Works for me and I agree with you 100% [if you only knew...] And in the spirt of peace I offer...

<center>http://www.esquire.com/women/gallery/img/001001_mww_bellucci09_g.jpg
:D:D:D</center>

[Back on topic now...]
While checking the rest of Hendrik's links, I caught a trailer for this flick. That's when I realized that i've seen it before [the trailer, not the movie]. Last year a DVDTalker posted a link to a site that had a homemade French Daredevil movie trailer [before Ben was doing it]. While I was there I saw Monica's name attached to this so I clicked on it, watched it, and didn't think much of it afterwards. However, after looking at some of these reviews I might just have to check it out. I d/l Baise Moi last year to see what all the controversy was about. It wasn't bad. I might just give this one a shot.

Hell, Monica's in it. :D

Now if only I hadn't found out she was married...:(:)

BTW...GREAT pic eXcentris :D

Hendrik
11-09-02, 05:20 PM
...I see that, slowly but surely, this is turning into a <a href="http://www.monicabellucci.it/">Monica Bellucci</a> thread...

...ahh... say it softly: <a href="http://arana.free.fr/">Monica Bellucci</a>...
(...the lady's no longer married to whatsisname btw...)

. . . ;) . . .

pro-bassoonist
11-09-02, 06:11 PM
....this is what I have on my computer: first wallpaper.....

http://www.alwaysgirls.com/wallpaper/monicabellucci01.html

Great quality....great resolution........

ps
I do not mind turning this into a "Bellucci" thread.....I just wish all of her movies were available on DVD....

Hendrik, as always, is absolutely right....she is currently single and no longer married to Vincent Cassel.......


PS-2

I would like to claim credit for pushing her name/info/movies(Dobermann??/etc. on this forum........IF POSSIBLE!!!(ha ha ha ha)

Dazza
11-10-02, 08:04 AM
Back to the original topic: Finally, this gets a release date! I'll have to pick this one up, although I'm sure (for all the non-French speakers out there) it will not have English subs. I will be interested to see the specs once they're confirmed.

Dazza.

Tyler_Durden
11-10-02, 10:10 AM
A chronological version, perhaps? Although, as with Memento, it really wouldn't be the same film anymore, it might prove interesting from an analytical point of view.

I am one of those people who think that the reversed timeline in the film worked wonderfully (I'll back this up with an explanation if one is requested). I hope at least to hear Noé's comments on this.

Reggie Thruput
11-11-02, 12:05 PM
okay explain yourself...

Tyler_Durden
11-11-02, 01:57 PM
The following contains slight spoilers relating to plot structure, not details. I didn't use spoiler tags, but I can if someone wants me to.


By reversing the causality of the events in the film, Noé illustrates the film's rather fatalistic central theme of everything good and pure being destroyed by time.

The fact that the audience witnesses the horrible after-effects first before being presented with the calmness that preceded them amps up the tragic nature of the film. Imagine, if you will, what the effect would be if we first saw how hunky-dory everything was, and then were shown how it was all lost. This would be the cinematic equivalent of a damp squid, and would probably ellicit a "so what?" reaction in the audience. Things are good, then they go bad. In terms of plotting, it'd probably seem exploitative and manipulative.

But, since the movie begins with the culmination of all the hatred and manic drive for revenge that the two main characters feel, and then continues with the scenes that lead up to it, the normality and, in the final scenes, dreamlike serenity of life stands out. This, I suggest, may shock the viewer much more than the film's most graphic scenes: how could this ever lead to what happens later?

By showing not only cause after effect but also seemingly irrelevant aspects of life after the cause, the film presents an important point: that all the terrible things that occur are actually the disintegration and decay of something that once was and is no more; love, trust, hopes, dreams, anything. This would not be so clear if the film did not have a reversed timeline.

The structural topsy-turvydom also stresses the point that what we once do we cannot undo; as we observe each wrong turn that led to another in a previous scene in the film, the audience cannot help but think how these turns could have been prevented. The characters cannot see what will happen in the next 15 minutes, but we know just how bad things will turn out.

Thus the importance of moderation and consideration becomes clear. It's curious how the film has been attacked for its graphic and uncompromising nature by many who fail to see that it's actually one of the most moral films to have come out in the last few years.

Also, the fact that the film gradually rises from darkness (remember that the nightclub's name is "Rectum") to light (with, ironically, one of the most beautiful and haunting closing shots I've ever seen), Noé avoids the trap of having the audience anticipate the already infamous scenes during the film's whole duration and not concentrating on anything else. They are all over before the film's half-way mark, and then Noé forces us to reflect on what has happened before (i.e. later in the film's chronology).

In a sense, since we have to travel in the tunnel for about two hours before we see the light at the end of it, it's not the light that strikes us the most but the realisation that a journey to it could have been so dark. Perhaps, then, we will cherish the light even more and hope that the process of going up the tunnel is irreversible.

Hendrik
11-11-02, 02:54 PM
...oh boy!... thanks for giving us your take on this movie... speaking for myself, I'm suitably impressed by the writing - but not at all convinced... sorry!... my take on the movie is summed up in one word: exploitation...

(signed) Not a Philistine

. . . :o . . .

Tyler_Durden
11-12-02, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by Hendrik
my take on the movie is summed up in one word: exploitation... You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but you must agree that the film's treatment of rape is the most honest in the history of cinema. I can't remember the last time I was so repulsed by an act that in most other films is usually shown fleetingly and used merely as a "plot point"... Well, the gangrene in "Requiem For A Dream" had the same effect. Like it or not, the film in question educated me, and in the best possible way, too.

Josh Z
11-12-02, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by Hendrik
my take on the movie is summed up in one word: exploitation...

You say that like it's a bad thing...

Hendrik
11-12-02, 03:47 PM
exploit [...] 2 to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp. unethically or unjustly for one's own ends. [...] -> exploitation -> "exploitation movie" (e.g. <a href="http://www.losman.com/mondo.htm#cane1">Mondo Cane</a> etcetera, and so forth)

. . . :o . . .

pro-bassoonist
11-12-02, 03:55 PM
Let's just hope and pray that there are English subs......everything else is fine with me....exploitation or not...

As a matter of fact 80-90% of the movies that are made are based on some sort of a feeling, pain, sex, desire....whatever emotional quality the filmakers could put their hands on and subsequently produce a "believable" plot. I know that for sure AS this is why I buy movies....to experience a journey I am often either afraid of or unwilling to embark on (or for whatever reason I am missing at the moment in my life).
This, specific one, just happens to be quite repulsive...I'll give you that one....but again I am sure it will teach me something(YES, it sounds corny...SO WHAT??)

ps
Hendrik....I happen to agree with your statement (though not 100%) but I also agree with Josh Z as well.......
The mere fact that we are on these boards reading, discussing, buying movies.....is sort of an exploitation. At least I am sure that's how the studios regard us.......

Hendrik
11-12-02, 04:06 PM
"Let's just hope and pray that there are English subs......"

...yup... the brilliantly written dialogue (subtitled or not) in this movie is the reason 99% of the people who are lusting after the DVD release will be buying the disc - nay, pre-ordering it! - asap...

. . . :o . . .

"...and now... for something entirely different..."

pro-bassoonist
11-12-02, 05:18 PM
Hendrik......I have to admit this:

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH!!!!!

Hendrik
11-12-02, 06:19 PM
...and I'm stubborn, too!...

. . . :D . . .

mdm67
11-13-02, 04:07 AM
Hi there!
my humble opinion is that the movie is well directed, the actors are convincing, alas the overall feeling you preserve after watchin' it is: disgust, repulsion.
Furthermore I doubt Tyler Durden's assessment about the moral value of the movie unless you believe that a crime justifies thirst of vengeance, if you believe that, well then it's a moral movie.
As for me the movie is amoral because if you survive two repellent and disgusting scenes then Noè - by reversing the causality of the events in the film - will lead you to believe to his a/moral message.

Tyler_Durden
11-13-02, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by mdm67
Furthermore I doubt Tyler Durden's assessment about the moral value of the movie unless you believe that a crime justifies thirst of vengeance, if you believe that, well then it's a moral movie.I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that we're supposed to root for the film's two male characters in these opening scenes. The reversed causality shows that they were inintially good and sensible men, but whose goodness was destroyed by time and, more specifically, their lack of consideration.

Besides, in the very beginning of the movie, both of the two men in question are completely destroyed by their actions and feelings (namely, their vengefulness). Maybe if they rode into the sunset together the movie would be amoral, but as it is now, I don't see how that conclusion can be arrived at. It was with intense sadness that I witnessed the film's final scenes, because I realized that the two men had in fact lost something much greater than Bellucci's character's had: their humanity.

The movie doesn't attempt to justify or condemn, which is the precise reason it consists of long takes with naturalistic lighting, and why the two brutal scenes are presented calmly and thoroughly without shying away from the "less pleasant" details. Like Pasolini's Salò, the film needs to be repulsive to stay true to its subject matter, that is, its point about the fragility of all that we cherish.

pro-bassoonist
11-14-02, 12:51 PM
So, much for the hope......

AMAZON lists only French audio track.......


Now here comes the big debate.....HOW MUCH is LionsGate going to screw up the dvd release in the States(cut-YES....but HOW MUCH??)

lostatmidnight
11-14-02, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
So, much for the hope......

AMAZON lists only French audio track.......


Now here comes the big debate.....HOW MUCH is LionsGate going to screw up the dvd release in the States(cut-YES....but HOW MUCH??)

in my all-wordly cynicism....probably enough to get the French disc.

amazon.fr also has two listings for this, or is it just a mistake? a single disc and a 2 disc set....Might just be a listing error on Amazon's part.

pro-bassoonist
11-14-02, 03:55 PM
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/dvd/B00006H2YY/tech-info/171-1140087-1970609

I only see a single disc edition posted.......what are you talking about?

Dazza
11-14-02, 04:54 PM
There are two different versions listed - lostatmidnight was referring to this (http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00007G2FC/) listing for a 2-disc edn.

Dazza.

teorema
11-17-02, 12:43 AM
Luminous has the French DVD for $26.95 (American). It has no subtitles.

http://www.lfvw.com/comingsoon.htm

Hendrik
11-22-02, 11:54 AM
...alas for the French-impaired: it looks 99.9999% certain that there'll be no English subs for the January 22, 2003 French DVD release of that milestone of cutting-edge, envelope-pushing world cinema titled <a href="http://www.dvdrama.com/news.php?5752">Irréversible</a> ... nor for its simultaneously (re-)released companion piece <a href="http://www.dvdrama.com/news.php?5752">Seul contre tous</a>...

. . . :o . . .

eXcentris
11-22-02, 12:05 PM
Oui oui, c'est la vie. :)

pro-bassoonist
11-22-02, 02:26 PM
......I am still gonna get it.....'till LionsGate decides to give us the US release.......which may quite possibly be cut!!!!


.....should I comment on the c'est la vie part or what??!!(ha ha)

kenho
11-25-02, 07:42 AM
So there are 2 version of IRREVERSIBLE dvd.

But is the 2 disc version just the IRREVERSIBLE dvd bundled with the director debut Seul Contre Tous dvd ?

Or is the IRREVERSIBLE dvd itself has 2 disc ?

Hendrik
11-25-02, 01:01 PM
...as far as I'm concerned there are TWO French DVD releases:

1) Single-disc of "Irréversible"

2) Released on the same day: two-disc-pack including "Irréversible" and "Seul contre tous"

...in other words, there appears to be NO two-disc version of just the one movie "Irréversible"...

...watch this space for more exciting news about this Deathless Paragon of Cinematic High Art...!...

. . . :o . . .

Tyler_Durden
11-25-02, 02:30 PM
Hendrik, you just can't let it go, can you? ;)

lostatmidnight
11-25-02, 08:09 PM
:lol: Hendrik

C'mon, you know you will be buying it, too...c'mon, right? ;) You know you will...:)

Josh Z
11-25-02, 09:11 PM
Hendrick, you know, I can't recall a time when you've ever liked anything!

Hendrik
11-25-02, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Josh Z
Hendrick, you know, I can't recall a time when you've ever liked anything!

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . .

pro-bassoonist
11-26-02, 02:31 AM
I say we all chip in and send Hendrik a copy of the movie.......let's educate him....(ha ha ha ha).!!!!!!

wirrus
12-10-02, 11:47 PM
The Dutch DVD was released without English subtitles, but QiX group did their own English translation of subtitles.

pro-bassoonist
12-11-02, 07:21 AM
what is this group you're talking about.....could you elaborate?

Tuco
01-05-03, 11:15 PM
Getting close to go-time on this DVD, where is everyone buying it from? I'd like to get the 2-DVD CE, Amazon.fr seems a little steep at 34,99 EUR.

pro-bassoonist
01-06-03, 12:13 AM
www.cinestore.com ......but they are not so cheap!!
check also dvdshopingcenter.com as well.....



any news on a version with english subs yet?????


(yeah, I know.......wishful thinking)!!!!

pro-bassoonist
01-06-03, 12:36 AM
Looks like it is coming to the USA however only NY/LA get to see it first.....here's the info:

IRREVERSIBLE US screening:

Release Date: March 7th, 2003 (LA/NY); expands to other cities at later dates

World Premiere: May 23rd, 2002 (Cannes Film Festival, in competition)

U.S. Premiere: January, 2003 (Sundance Film Festival, Frontier selection)

MPAA Rating: Unrated

MPAA Rating Note: (11/21/02) Lions Gate Films has expressed an interest in releasing this harrowing and violent film in its original, uncut French version, complete with the nine-minute rape sequence which shocked many festival audiences, and another scene where a man is bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher.

Language: French with English subtitles.

Running Time: 99 minutes

Distributor: Lions Gate Films

Production Company: 120 Films, Eskwad, Les Cinemas de la Zone, Nord-Ouest Production

Cast: Monica Bellucci (Alex), Vincent Cassel (Marcus), Albert Dupontel (Pierre), Philippe Nahon (Philippe), Jean-Louis Costes, Stephane Drouot (Stephane), Mourad Khima (Mourad), Gaspar Noe (cameo), Jo Prestia (The Tapeworm)

Director: Gaspar Noe (I Stand Alone)

Screenwriter: Gaspar Noe (I Stand Alone)

Grimfarrow
01-06-03, 06:15 AM
"Irreversible" is indeed disturbing, offensive, sickening, and exploitative. But it is at the same time thought-provoking, thoughtful, and original. That the film and the director really does not think much of humanity or our future is telling, but the pessimism does not hinder what I consider to be a truly interesting and daring film. I especially liked the ending, though I will not give too much away.

I just find the overly talkative scene in the Metro utterly uninvolving.

pro-bassoonist
01-06-03, 08:21 PM
All that I want to hear is the street date for the UNRATED LionsGate DVD. Just tell me when and where.....

Money is not an issue (.....as far as this release is concerned).

ps.
I do not want to argue with anyone but I could hardly imagine ANYONE expecting Harry Potter-esque production after all the buzz this film generated. Besides....just by mentioning the Noe name ......this should give you an idea what to expect.

pro-bassoonist
01-08-03, 12:38 PM
IRREVERSIBLE is now officially posted on the LionsGate web page as coming in March!!

JaxComet
01-08-03, 05:31 PM
I want to see it but don't want to buy it. I'm sure one viewing will be enough.......

Tyler_Durden
01-09-03, 02:38 AM
Is the March date for a theatrical or a DVD release?

Giles
01-09-03, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
Is the March date for a theatrical or a DVD release?

Lion's Gate denotes this as a theatrical release. I wonder if Lion's Gate is going to submit this filmt to the MPAA or just release this unrated.

Tyler_Durden
01-09-03, 09:23 AM
Thanks, and sorry I didn't look at the second page where an answer to my question was stated in very clear terms.

pro-bassoonist
01-09-03, 11:05 AM
I hope that the DVD release will be not too far in the future and IT WILL BE UNRATED as well.

ps
I know for sure that IRREVERSIBLE will be shown in Chicago as well (NY/LA are the other two cities for now).

Giles
01-09-03, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
I hope that the DVD release will be not too far in the future and IT WILL BE UNRATED as well.

ps
I know for sure that IRREVERSIBLE will be shown in Chicago as well (NY/LA are the other two cities for now).

Not too be overtly sarcastic or anything, but when has a movie NOT played in NY/LA.

pro-bassoonist
01-09-03, 02:58 PM
....hmmmmm.....all that I was saying is that Chicago has been added to the list, that's all. Originally only NY and LA were mentioned for the advanced screening.

Ted Todorov
01-10-03, 10:15 AM
Not too be overtly sarcastic or anything, but when has a movie NOT played in NY/LA.

There have been plenty of instances where Hollywood studios test market a movie somewhere in fly-over country, aren't happy with the result and can it without ever having an NY/LA release.

Ted

Giles
01-10-03, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Ted Todorov
There have been plenty of instances where Hollywood studios test market a movie somewhere in fly-over country, aren't happy with the result and can it without ever having an NY/LA release.

Ted

Not to sound nit picky, but can you be specific, cause I'd sure like to know what films the elite NY/LA film fans were denied seeing.

Josh Z
01-10-03, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Giles
Not to sound nit picky, but can you be specific, cause I'd sure like to know what films the elite NY/LA film fans were denied seeing.

Stallone's Eye See You (aka D-Tox) played internationally and supposedly also in Washington state but I don't think it played in NY or LA.

Dan Average
01-11-03, 10:03 PM
I also seem to recall reading years ago that It's Pat opened in Spokane (Julia Sweeney's hometown) but was (mercifully) a direct-to-video release everywhere else.

Grimfarrow
01-12-03, 03:18 AM
"Songs from the Second Floor" and "Werckmeister Harmonies" opened in San Francisco for about 2 weeks at the Roxie before it was released in NY about 1 year later.

Dazza
01-13-03, 09:20 AM
"Irreversible" is now down for release (in R2 France) on 18 Feb -nearly a month later than the previous Jan 22 listing...

Dazza.

chyde
01-13-03, 12:09 PM
on 1/25 and 1/26, with the director in person for the January 25 show.

http://www.harvardfilmarchive.org/calendars/03janfeb/europe.htm#Irreversible

pro-bassoonist
01-13-03, 03:16 PM
Are you guys going to see the unrated version...I would assume so since LionsGate said they will only offer the uncut version.


How come we never get to see any foreign movies around here-Indiana University...well, at least not anything like this "difficult" film. The last one they showed was THE PIANO TEACHER and was shown in a local artsy club.