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The Antipodean
10-31-02, 07:07 PM
Read this on Dark Horizons. I'm not going to jump up and down and say the movie "SUX" before it's even filmed, but I have to admit I do not like the sound of this at all. It's not quite as bad as making Lex Luthor an alien, but it does go pretty far away from what I thought was a perfectly decent comics mythology. I know comics can't always translate to film perfectly, but really, do they have to reinvent the wheel every time? Sigh... anyway, read on:

The Fantastic Four: "Buffy" scribe Doug Petrie has just spoken with Dreamwatch magazine about his plans for his version of the film script and how the origin of the heroes and villain will differ from that of the comic mythology: "The change to the origin story, which came from the earlier drafts and I adopted, is that Doom was like the fifth Beatle. He was on the spaceship with them, and in my version he saw this particle wave coming - they didnít want to say cosmic rays because they felt it sounded fake, but in fact cosmic rays are real. I wanted to do A Perfect Storm in space, where a giant wave is coming towards them, and Victor blasts off in the escape pod, saving his own skin. He crashlands to Earth and becomes Doom because his face is lost in the reentry process, which is horrible and violent, while the four of them get bombaded by these mysterious rays and become the Fantastic Four". These origin scenes will be part of flashbacks though, as the opening is "a giant action sequence where everyone in New York City is watching The Fantastic Four kick the crap out of a giant monster on Fifth Avenue". Thanks to 'Confuscious Brown'.

C-Mart
10-31-02, 09:00 PM
So what is the comic origin?

I am already not liking it because I hated Perfect Storm, but I would still go see it.

-CM-

Gattman
10-31-02, 09:17 PM
C-Mart

Reed Richards and his room-mate and test pilot Ben Grimm take Reed's girlfriend Susan Storm and her younger brother in outer space and they get hit by cosmic rays and become the FF

Actually I don't mind this change it could of been worse

C-Mart
11-01-02, 04:08 AM
Thanks Gattman

Sounds close enough I guess. This is just scripting phase right? So no word on possible actors or anything?

-CM-

kevin75
11-01-02, 08:04 AM
can we just have sam raimi do all comic movies? either him or bryan singer. these two guys understand what works. you don't have to go in and totally shred the original material. there is a reason that these comics are successful people!! you don't have to 'refresh' anything or change anything, the story is right there. whata bunch of idiots. :mad:

joelgee
11-01-02, 09:03 AM
Sounds close enough I guess. This is just scripting phase right? So no word on possible actors or anything?

That's not the horrendous bit. The horrendous bit is that per the canon, Victor Von Doom and Reed Richards were college roommates.
Von Doom, if I recall correctly, was the bastard son of a gypsy woman and Count(?) Von Doom. He lived in Latveria. From his mother he learned dark sorcerous arts.
Richards was concerned because of the types of experiments that Von Doom was involved in, a blend of sorcery and science.
It was one of these experiments that shredded his face, although some posit that under the mask, there is nothing wrong with Von Doom's face. Instead, they believe, his mind got whacked and he only sees his face as uglified.

Anyway, I may be shaky on the details, but that's the gist of the thing.
If they put Doom in space, that's a bad sign. What else would they do, make the Thing a politically correct tree hugger who hates cigars?
For that matter, would Johnny Storm be in trouble with all of the non-smoking regulations now in effect?
Could Susan Storm still be the Invisible Girl or would she be Visibly Challenged Woman?
J

Giles
11-01-02, 09:12 AM
Huh?!?

elias
11-01-02, 10:23 AM
In the comics, Doom is a college classmate or Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) who is doing some sort of science/mysticism experiment. Reed happens to see Doom's calculations and tells him he's off a decimal (or something like that). Doom's ego doesn't allow him to accept criticism or help from Richards and he goes off to doe his experiment which explodes and gets him thrown out of school. He figures Richards sabotaged the calculations out of jealousy of Doom's genius.

Basically, he was never a friend, always a rival. Never a "fifth Beetle" kind of a thing.

MrN
11-01-02, 10:30 AM
I don't mind the change - this way they're combining the origin of the FF and Doom and Doom can still blame Reed for what happens. Of course, the purists will object...

MrN
11-01-02, 10:34 AM
I guess this belongs in this thread:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247499

I'm sure Susan will be Invisible Woman, as she has been in the comics the last 10+ years.
And I have a feeling they're gonna take out Doom's mystical background - unless they somehow make the film about searching for the Ark or the Holy Grail or something like that.

Groucho
11-01-02, 10:38 AM
Like any comic book adaptation people are going to howl and howl no matter what they do. "Whine...they changed the color of Richard Reed's hair...boo hoo hoo!"

Dr. DVD
11-01-02, 11:51 AM
We only whine because we care!

What is wrong with leaving Doom's origin in tact? Do they think people can't relate to having a rival in college that always seemed to be trying to one-up another person?
At least bring up the Knights of the Atomic Table fraternity, one to which both Richards and Doom belonged.
IMO, and this is where Batman really dropped the ball IMO, never mess with the origin of a hero or villain. Spidey and Superman did the best origin stories available IMO, and X-Men did the best thing with Wolverine by having it remain a mystery. (Mainly because it still was one when the movie arrived.)

Braddok
11-01-02, 12:00 PM
I don't mind the change. It still sounds like a comic book story. Bring on the movie!!!!!

Dr. DVD
11-01-02, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Braddok
I don't mind the change. It still sounds like a comic book story. Bring on the movie!!!!!


Appropriate wording, since this is being brought in by the man who directed Bring It On.

Iron_Giant
11-01-02, 02:45 PM
Sounds like they changed the origin of Doom, not so much the origin of the F4.

I would go to see this and buy the DVD.

Here are my favorite Superheroes on DVD:
1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Xmen
4. Spiderman

Ones I hope will also be awesome on DVD
1. Hulk
2. F4
3. DareDevil

I collect a bunch of Comics in the 70s, the movies/DVDs are going to be the new driving force for these Superheroes!

Fielding Mellish
11-01-02, 03:50 PM
It sounds like the change was/will be made to simply help move the story along, as opposed to any desire to "monkey" with comic book canon.

The same "streamlining" can be attributed towards making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne's folks, movie-Spidey's organic webshooters, and bypassing Lex Luthor's "how I went bald due to Clark Kent" backstory in Donner's "Superman."

In many ways, I hold ol' Stretcho, Suzie, Match-Head and Aunt Petunia's favorite nephew as near and dear to my heart as a certain wall-crawler. If the film opens with the FF battling a giant Kirby-esque monster in midtown Manhattan, I'd certainly consider it a step in the right direction.

I just hope I can hold back my girlish squeal the first time Benjy yells "It's Clobberin' Time." Of course, if they cut out that little piece of funnybook nuance, I could possibly be encouraged to riot.

JimRochester
11-01-02, 04:12 PM
Fantastic Four was always a favorite growing up. I hope this works as well as spiderman did.

devilshalo
11-01-02, 04:15 PM
be glad you haven't read the scripts for Silver Surfer or Plastic Man. http://www.mreembroidery.com/aaron/smilies/yuck.gif

and from that last line.. don't you picture the cover of issue #1

<img src="http://ksacomics.com/ff1/C.JPG" HEIGHT=200>

Jackskeleton
11-01-02, 05:51 PM
Just release the already made movie.. it should do as good as this new idea in the box office. ;)

randy1320
11-01-02, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
Like any comic book adaptation people are going to howl and howl no matter what they do. "Whine...they changed the color of Richard Reed's hair...boo hoo hoo!" You mean Reed Richards?

The Antipodean
11-01-02, 06:43 PM
It just seems like a lame 'cop-out' to me to always make the hero and villian intimately related, 'light and dark' sides of the same coin in movies. Examples -- Joker kills Batman's folks instead of some anonymous gunman, Green Goblin's company is responsible for Spider-Man's powers, etc. It's rather limp storytelling to fall back on the "you're my enemy, and my twisted reflection!" theory every time. Of course, I guess they do it in comic books all the time too, but I've always liked it better when the villain is JUST a villain -- not the heros' father/employer/ex-girlfriend/pet chiropractor or whatever.

cooper2000
11-01-02, 08:06 PM
I would like to see the original F4 movie that was made about 10 years ago. Apparently it was so bad they never released it.
Too bad they dont do that with most horrible Hollywood movies.

I always heard this movie was impossible to do because of the amount of money it would cost to do the effects.

caligulathegod
11-01-02, 10:59 PM
You really don't want to see the 1994 Fantastic Four. I mean, really really don't.

lordzeppelin
11-02-02, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by caligulathegod
You really don't want to see the 1994 Fantastic Four. I mean, really really don't.

Why, it can't possibly be as bad as the Captain America film...

Jackskeleton
11-02-02, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by lordzeppelin
Why, it can't possibly be as bad as the Captain America film...


As amazing as it sounds, It is worse...

TheOne
11-02-02, 02:03 AM
How about new versions of Captain America, Avengers, Iron Fist, Shang Chi, Punisher and Nick Fury?

Dr. DVD
11-02-02, 01:20 PM
I recall they tried a Nick Fury TV movie on Fox with David Hasselhoff playing the SHIELD agent. What I saw of it was horrid.

B.A.
11-02-02, 02:53 PM
imo, they could have done a lot worse with the origin story. it doesn't sound that bad.

Waitakere
11-02-02, 03:57 PM
I just can't see the FF on screen in live action. Animated would almost be a better way to go.

joelgee
11-03-02, 10:52 AM
The 3rd DVD in the Spider-Man box set is an interview of Stan Lee, a previously done documentary.
In this interview, Stan Lee talks about the earlier FF movie. He says that the only reason it was done was because the studio that held the rights on the property had to do some principal photography to hold onto the rights.
He said it was never the studio's intention to release the movie. Neither the actors nor the director knew this.
J

Jason
11-03-02, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Sierra Disc
It just seems like a lame 'cop-out' to me to always make the hero and villian intimately related, 'light and dark' sides of the same coin in movies. Examples -- Joker kills Batman's folks instead of some anonymous gunman, Green Goblin's company is responsible for Spider-Man's powers, etc. It's rather limp storytelling to fall back on the "you're my enemy, and my twisted reflection!" theory every time. Of course, I guess they do it in comic books all the time too, but I've always liked it better when the villain is JUST a villain -- not the heros' father/employer/ex-girlfriend/pet chiropractor or whatever.

I think they're just compressing the story because a superhero's signature villian usually doesn' t show up until well into the series. With the exception of Magneto for the X-Men, villians like the Joker, the Green Goblin and Dr. Doom become popular once the main characters are well established. Dr. Doom first showed up in FF#5, but didn't become a real standout until much later.

I would rather see the FF fight Galactus. That would be the best way to introduce the Silver Surfer too.

C-Mart
11-03-02, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Sierra Disc
It just seems like a lame 'cop-out' to me to always make the hero and villian intimately related, 'light and dark' sides of the same coin in movies... Green Goblin's company is responsible for Spider-Man's powers...

Is this how it was in the comic? In the movie it was a University Research program wasn't it?

-CM-

JoeyOhhhh
11-03-02, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Jason
I would rather see the FF fight Galactus. That would be the best way to introduce the Silver Surfer too.

That would be cool, and would only be possible if the rights to a Silver Surfer movie are owned by the same studio.

BlackBeauty92
11-04-02, 12:11 AM
i can understand when studios, directors, producers, screen-writers, or who ever involves in the production change the background story of each superhero character...
i mean, c'mon NOT everything came straight from comic book will work on the big screen...

as long they don't butchered the character so bad, like Batman can turn a man into a frog with wooden stick :rolleye:

i remembered spider-man & captain america when i was a kid (watching them in big screen cinema) it was cool

now, more & more studios want to remake them again since they have the technology to make it happen... specialy like Fantastic 4 & Hulk where you can easily make the character even more believeable with CGI

hope it work good though

devilshalo
11-04-02, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by JoeyOhhhh
That would be cool, and would only be possible if the rights to a Silver Surfer movie are owned by the same studio.

I believe that Fox still has the rights to the Surfer.. uneventful script. Surfer is Norrin Radd thru 3/4 of the script.

RKillgore
11-05-02, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by Fielding Mellish


I just hope I can hold back my girlish squeal the first time Benjy yells "It's Clobberin' Time." Of course, if they cut out that little piece of funnybook nuance, I could possibly be encouraged to riot.

Don't forget "Flame On!"

PixyJunket
11-05-02, 10:43 AM
With an amazingly hot soundtrack by some of MTV's hottest stars!! YES!!

Jackskeleton
11-05-02, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by pixyboi
With an amazingly hot soundtrack by some of MTV's hottest stars!! YES!!


don't forget the MTV style editing! I smell a blockbuster! :p

PixyJunket
11-05-02, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
don't forget the MTV style editing! I smell a blockbuster! :p

And billions of geeks who've barely heard of F4 before this will instantly become big fans!

Professor Frink
11-05-02, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by RKillgore
Don't forget "Flame On!"

Oh yeah, the Fantastic Four. The one with the Invisible Bitch, and "Flame on" and s***, right?

:D

The Antipodean
11-05-02, 05:00 PM
Woo, now even more from Dark Horizons --- well, I like the take on the
"family" concept but the whole Dr. Doom thing just seems rather wack to me -- Jude Law as Dr. Doom? :yack: Oh well. Us fanboys need somethin' to bitch about, don't we?

If you've read this far you don't really need SPOILERS....

The Fantastic Four: MTV talked with writer Doug Petrie who elaborated on details he spilled last week about the script for the comic adaptation which he's now comparing a lot to the Beatles movie: "The big reason I got hired was that the scripts that were done before, by pretty big-name guys, were origin stories. [The other scripts] were very big on 'these are astronauts that go to space' for the first, like, half-hour. It was something like 'Armageddon.' I just kept saying it's got to be like 'A Hard Day's Night'. To the world outside, they are the world's coolest superheroes. [But] when they get home, they just fight with each other about everything. They order pizzas and argue about who gets the better costumes and stuff like that. It's a family comedy when they get behind closed doors". Paul Walker, Charlize Theron, John C. Reilly and Alexis Denisof as the team with Jude Law as Dr. Doom are Petrie's dream casting choices for the parts, and Petrie went on to elaborate a lot about the look of Dr. Doom: "He gets screwed out of the superpowers, so he made himself who he is. ... The Marvel guys were very high on showing the actor's face. ... I hope I'm not spilling too many secrets. But I got caught up with how to show his face but keep the scariness of a guy in a mask. I wanted the big reveal to be [that] the mask is a high-tech thing that can separate and retract off his face when he wants it to. You see that he's unbelievably handsome. ... But it doesn't end there. When he's handsome, he's lying. When his real character comes out, his face starts to sag and melt and scarify in this horrible way. And what you learn is that his face got so smashed upon his re-entry - he was one of the original astronauts - he's literally falling apart. And the mask is the only thing keeping him together". Thanks to 'Ryan' & 'FanHalen'.

Peep
11-05-02, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by joelgee
The 3rd DVD in the Spider-Man box set is an interview of Stan Lee, a previously done documentary.
In this interview, Stan Lee talks about the earlier FF movie. He says that the only reason it was done was because the studio that held the rights on the property had to do some principal photography to hold onto the rights.
He said it was never the studio's intention to release the movie. Neither the actors nor the director knew this.
J

I had heard this story before, but it doesn't really make sense. I've seen the movie (on tape) and it's a finished product - not just 'some principal photography'. It sucks, but it's a finished product.

That being said, I thought they actually did a pretty good job on the Thing in that movie. Especially considering the budget.

The Antipodean
11-05-02, 07:19 PM
The 1994 flick, abomination that it was, kind of convinced me that no matter how cool the special effects, Mr. Fantastic's stretching power will always look rather silly on screen. He stretches. It just looks a lot sillier than it comes across in comic books in real life (of course in Coman's "epic" the stretching appeared to have been done by people holding long arms on poles representing a stretching limb, not exactly hi-tech). I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, but still suspect a guy stretching his limbs on screen is going to look rather funky no matter how much $$$ they spend on it.

Captain Harlock
11-05-02, 11:35 PM
Even more bad news......
Spoiler Alert!! Sort of...

From Comics2flim.com

http://www.comics2film.com/StoryFrame.php?f_id=2057

Screenwriter Doug Petrie recently spilled several beans on the Fantastic Four movie to MTV's Movie House correspondent Ryan J. Downey. Petrie's comments are surprisingly revealing and a SPOILER WARNING should be considered to be in effect for the remainder of this article.

In the recent interview, Petrie said that he envisions the movie to be more like The Beatles than The Right Stuff.

"[The other scripts] were very big on 'these are astronauts that go to space' for the first, like, half-hour," Petrie told Movie House. "It was something like Armageddon. I just kept saying it's got to be like A Hard Day's Night."

The opening scene would have the already formed team performing acts of heroism in front of a mob of fans, rather than belaboring the origin story. However, Petrie is intent on keeping the flavor of the comics. "I wanted the poster for the movie to be the cover for the first issue, where basically you do a live-action version of a giant monster ripping through Fifth Avenue and Fantastic Four kicking its ass. For budget reasons, it went to something else, but it's still a giant opening scene," Petrie said.

The movie will present the Fantastic Four as celebrities: the world's coolest superheroes. As previously reported, the film will also call for comedic interaction between the squabbling family of heroes.

The writer also talked at great length about Doctor Doom, the team's nemesis. Plans are for the movie version of the character to be more closely tied to the origins of the FF themselves. "We played him as the Pete Best of the Fantastic Four. He gets screwed out of the superpowers, so he made himself who he is."

Doom is one of the original astronauts who comes back from that fateful test flight with more curse than blessing. He gets disfigured during the rocket crash and now hides behind his mask. However, unlike the comic character, the movie Doom will take the mask off.

"I wanted the big reveal to be [that] the mask is a high-tech thing that can separate and retract off his face when he wants it to," Petrie told MTV. "You see that he's unbelievably handsome. ... But it doesn't end there. When he's handsome, he's lying. When his real character comes out, his face starts to sag and melt and scarify in this horrible way."

Petrie told MTV, "There's a tremendous amount of pressure to get this movie made and to get it right and to cash in on the mania that obviously exists out there and the need for superhero stories."

Check out the complete interview for more insights from Petrie. Fantastic Four is said to be slated for a 2004 release.

Spider-Man and X-Men weren't 100% faithful but at least there were certain elements that were essential to the story that they got right. This just sounds like it's WAAAAAAAAAAY OFF! I have a bad feeling about this....

:whofart:

Dr. DVD
11-06-02, 12:17 PM
*sobs* Doesn't anyone aside from Raimi and Donner know how to do superheroes? The jury is still out on Singer IMO, and Burton doesn't even make it.