If you had to pick one progressive scan DVD player, what would you pick from my list. My friend works at a "store" where i can get a good deal.....
Sony DVP-NS715P
JVC XV-S500BK
Kenwood DV-605 [5 Disc]
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
Toshiba SD-3800
Toshiba SD-4800
NEW Mitsubishi DD-6030
These are the progressive ones i pulled from the website of the "store" he works at, there may be more "in-store" i'm hoping
** Still seems Panny and Sony are leading....someone says the Mits is the same as the Toshiba SD-3800 (same internal guts and everything, just a different face plate)
Brian Shannon
09-17-02, 10:43 AM
I am sure people will nominate their favorites as will I.
I have a Sony 700p and have liked it alot. It is the previous model to the 715p. The 700p has the chroma bug, I do not know if the 715p does as well.
Johnny Zhivago
09-17-02, 11:49 AM
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
No chroma bug, nice player, own one... Wish it did scaling though...
gcribbs
09-17-02, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
No chroma bug, nice player, own one... Wish it did scaling though...
same here :)
another vote for the RP62
Icculus
09-17-02, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
No chroma bug, nice player, own one... Wish it did scaling though...
Originally posted by gcribbs
same here :)
another vote for the RP62
Make that 3.
Aphex Twin
09-17-02, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by DJ_Longfellow
If you had to pick one progressive scan DVD player, what would you pick from my list. My friend works at a "store" where i can get a good deal.....
These are the progressive ones i pulled from the website of the "store" he works at, there may be more "in-store" i'm hoping
"Why" is "store" in quotation marks?
DJ_Longfellow
09-17-02, 02:50 PM
"STORE" is on quotations because i didn't want to say the actual store....don't want to get anyone in trouble. It's all legit though.
I guess i am leaning towards the panny, but i wish they had the newer model
Also, how about the Sony one??? I've been thinking about that one too
egbok
09-17-02, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Johnny Zhivago
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
No chroma bug, nice player, own one... Wish it did scaling though...
I had this one for a month, very nice player, but I sold it and bought the DVD-RP67K (5 disc changer), same picture quality as the 62S. Just in case you're wondering, K = black, S= silver.
TheKobra
09-17-02, 07:40 PM
Can you get the RP91K? If so get that one.
GMLSKIS
09-18-02, 12:36 AM
SONY
This chroma bug stuff on the Sony is so overblown. I will stack my Sony against your player any day. Everytime somebody mentions a Sony somebody else says Chroma Bug. It is so minute you won't even see it.
TonyS
09-18-02, 07:20 AM
From your list, I'd go with either the Panny RP62 or the Sony DVP-NS715P. Yes, the Sony has the Chroma Bug, but the Panny suffers from the Flicker Bug which, IMHO, is more annoying. FYI, I had the RP62, DVP-NS715P and the Toshiba SD-3800 in my house for demos (the Tosh had lockup issues). I ended up buying a Panny RP82 and while I dislike the looks, it puts out one heck of a picture! Too bad that one's not on your list. :(
jinhopark
09-18-02, 11:17 AM
I'll fourth the Panny RP-62S and I will second the Panny RP-82, and the RP-91 (which does awesome scaling!) if you can find one (do you see a pattern here???).
Not familar with the flicker bug phenomon, please explain.
I have the Pioneer 47A, which is known to also have the Chroma Bug... Difficult for me to detect sometimes, even when projecting on a 9 foot screen... Never even noticed by non video-phile family and friends.
TonyS
09-18-02, 12:24 PM
The flicker bug has to do with the CCS being turned "on" in the RP62. It is turned "off" in the RP82. Basically, saturated reds are the most noticeable and pulsate on the screen. Check out the lid of the Tinker Toy box in Toy Story chapter 4. I thought the lid was going to jump off the screen on my 47" Panny. Also check out www.avsforum.com and do a search in the DVD and LD Hardware forum for "flicker bug".
Corky Roxbury
09-19-02, 07:50 AM
What do you guys mean by the rp91 does scaling?
jinhopark
09-19-02, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Corky Roxbury
What do you guys mean by the rp91 does scaling?
A few questions....how much better is the Panasonic RP82 than the RP62????
I haven't yet checked in store...they may have the 82.
I guess i'm kinda torn between the Sony and the Panny right now......
Also, is there any new players coming out within the next month or two? I think i could wait till then anyways
TonyS
09-19-02, 12:17 PM
The RP62 and RP82 use the same Sage chip (FLI2200) with DCDi. The RP62 uses a lesser quality MPEG decoder than the RP82 - the RP82 MPEG decoder is the same one that is in the RP91. So, Panasonic has taken the superb deinterlacing chip out of the RP62 and the superb MPEG decoder out of the RP91 and given us the RP82. IMHO, the RP82 is much better than the RP62. Also, the RP62 only has optical out whereas the RP82 has both optical and coaxial - which saved me $$ since I already had a coaxial cable. The RP82 also has DVD-Audio. Not that I plan on using it, but I figure it will help the resale value down the road.
As for the looks of the RP82, I have jokingly renamed it the BU82 - as in "Butt Ugly". In the end, I reminded myself that I watch the TV screen and not the DVD player when a movie is on, got over the looks and bought a player that puts out one heck of a pic!
syphon00
09-19-02, 04:46 PM
Get the JVC, that's what I have (SL-silver version)
it looks very slick and plays anything u throw at it, even SVCD's
extremely clear picure and crisp sound
also the menu is very nice
I got mine at Vanns.com
Officer Cartman
09-20-02, 01:24 AM
I love my RP-82.. Well worth the extra few bucks over the 62. Had the Toshiba 4800 and returned it, was not really impressed.
DJ_Longfellow
10-02-02, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by DJ_Longfellow
If you had to pick one progressive scan DVD player, what would you pick from my list. My friend works at a "store" where i can get a good deal.....
Sony DVP-NS715P
Panasonic DVD-RP62S
Toshiba SD-3800
Ok, i reduced my list to 3 choices now....however, i was wondering the quality of the Pioneer Progressive Scan 656A???? How does that compare to the ones I have listed???
Thanks for all the input already
jonw9
10-04-02, 10:21 AM
Well, I bought the Sony 715 last night, but my TV won't be delivered until Monday so I won't be able to "review" it until some time next week.
zargon
10-04-02, 10:29 AM
When I think of Sony, I don't think of the chroma bug... I think of junk. I would stick to the main players in DVD players, Pioneer Panasonic and Toshiba.
My Pioneer Elite supposidly has this chroma bug, and like someone said above... I really think it is over hyped. I have a 55" Mitsu and I have to pause the DVD to even notice the chroma bug.
Out of that list, the Panasonic all the way.
DJ_Longfellow
10-04-02, 02:11 PM
Thank you everyone for all the replies....I will more than likely end up getting a Panasonic.
NOW, is the RP82 worth an extra $70 over the RP62, because i think that may be the price difference in what i can get them. The RP91 is outta my price range....so i scratched that one.
zargon
10-04-02, 02:55 PM
Compare them (http://www.prodcat.panasonic.com/shop/newdesign/ProductComparison.asp?Action=COMPARE&CatId=2977&ModelIDs=15821ú15659)
The big difference is DVD-A, the 82 has it and the 62 doesn't. Is that important to you? I don't know, both DVD-A and SACD are lacking titles and I actually bought a Pioneer DV-45a which has both DVD-A and SACD, but found out I wouldn't ever use those features and also that is wasn't much better video wise than my Pioneer DV-37 to justify the $500. Great player though, would pick it up if I had to get a new player. Anyways... back to your problem. It also has 4:4:4 signal processing, DVD-Ram support (too bad DVD-Ram blows and is dead) which are about the only other two worth mentioning and they aren't that big at that. So basically, it comes down to if you want DVD-A or not.
dgc
10-06-02, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by zargon
When I think of Sony, I don't think of the chroma bug... I think of junk. I would stick to the main players in DVD players, Pioneer Panasonic and Toshiba.
:lol: Sony is not a "main player" in dvd players?
I really enjoy my DVP-S9000ES, all 30+ pounds of it. In general Sony makes some pretty decent and dependable players. Far from "junk".
GMLSKIS
10-06-02, 02:45 AM
Sony 715 - best of the list
zargon
10-06-02, 02:48 PM
Everyone just seems to be in love with Sony for some reason. Their equipment is just not all that, just seems like a lot of people brainwashed by marketing and their former glory. Ok players, but not the best... their receivers stink too compared to the other companies out there. I just have no respect for Sony as a company when it comes to electronics, except for their TVs.
DJ_Longfellow
10-07-02, 08:17 AM
Ok, i have one more question now. What exactly is 4:4:4 signal processing??? I tried to do a search, but found nothing. I notice the Panasonic RP82 has it. Does it matter to me? I do have a Mits 55" Widescreen HDTV.
However, i may wait a month or two to purchase a new player, since money is kinda tight this month, but too many new things in a short amount of time here.....
So, i guess i'll see where the DVD player market is then.
dgc
10-07-02, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by zargon
Everyone just seems to be in love with Sony for some reason. Their equipment is just not all that, just seems like a lot of people brainwashed by marketing and their former glory. Ok players, but not the best... their receivers stink too compared to the other companies out there. I just have no respect for Sony as a company when it comes to electronics, except for their TVs.
Again, I'll have to disagree. I don't want to sound like some loyal consumer defending his favorite brand but I just don't think you can bash a brand and their whole line of components without mentioning specific reasons (models and their shortcomings). It reminds me of adolecents and their video game console wars (i.e.: The XBOX rocks!!! The PS2 Sucks!!!).
If having good experiences with a brand's products in the past is being brainwashed, then so be it. No amount of marketing could persuede me. My purchasing decisions are strictly made from personal experiences.
I also own a Sony receiver, the DA5ES. This receiver does not "stink". You are obviously ignorant when it comes to Sony's ES line of components. Besides performing very well they are built like tanks and come with a 5 year warranty. In the case of my receiver, I chose it more so for movies than it abilities for music. Had I been interested in music, I would have chosen a different receiver.
When the performance/price of the products are equal to the competition, I'll usually go with the Sony brand because IMO Sony's ergonomic designs and remote controls are generally better.
zargon
10-07-02, 10:47 AM
Sony's ES line is really not all that. When I bought my receiver I compared marantz, denon, onkyo integra and sony es. Denon and marantz were defiantly the better receivers. Their amps sounded better, much cleaner. Who the hell needs 30 DSPs, I don't even use all 8 of mine on my marantz. Denon has to be pumping out some of the best receivers across the board right now. Marantz ran into a little problem with power ratings being totally off, like Sony is notorious for.
I also compared Mitsu, Toshiba, Hitachi, Panasonic and Sony TVs. Mitsu had the best picture out of all of them. The Sony just did not look good at all.
After all the problems my parents and friends have had with their Sony DVD players, it ceases to amaze me people still hold them in high regard. Especially when Panasonic right now is making some of the entry to mid end DVD players out on the market.
dgc
10-07-02, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by zargon
I also compared Mitsu, Toshiba, Hitachi, Panasonic and Sony TVs. Mitsu had the best picture out of all of them. The Sony just did not look good at all.
Originally posted by zargon
I just have no respect for Sony as a company when it comes to electronics, except for their TVs.
A bit of a contradiction. So which is it?
Perhaps your family's & friend's bad experiences with sony products has tainted your opinion. That's certainly understandable.
BTW, I agree with you regarding Sony overstating their power ratings on their receivers, however, at the price I paid for my DA5ES ($800), it had the biggest bang for the buck. The Denon 4802 was better musically but also cost a lot more. The sony was a bit "bright" for music, definitely not as warm as the Denon.
The DA5ES fit my needs perfectly (used 95% for HT Movies).
DJ_Longfellow
11-22-02, 11:04 AM
Bumped for new list - narrowed down
croaker24
11-24-02, 04:11 PM
One comment on the RP62. I have one, and I like it, *except*, that this thing sucks at playing DVD-R. In fact, I have yet to get this to play anything (DVD-R, DVD-RW, etc). I can play those same disks on my old RCA RP5201, Playstation-2, etc; but NOT the Panny.
nekobus
11-24-02, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by croaker24
One comment on the RP62. I have one, and I like it, *except*, that this thing sucks at playing DVD-R. In fact, I have yet to get this to play anything (DVD-R, DVD-RW, etc). I can play those same disks on my old RCA RP5201, Playstation-2, etc; but NOT the Panny.
Hmmm, I had a RP-62 and it played DVD-R fine. It also played CD-R, CD-RW, VCD and mp3.
I changed my 62 out for the RP-82 and I will tell you that 82 is far and away the better player and is worth the extra money. As someone has said, it has the better mpeg decoder from the RP-91, but with the Faroudja FLI2200 chip. It also has a plays DVD-A, has a built-in DD/DTS decoder and more features than the 62.
The 62 does have some problems with flicker because the CCS filter is set too high like it was in the RP-56. However, it's pretty rare and only shows up on certain types of computer generated material. I will take it over the chroma bug of the Sony anytime.
The Sony would be my absolute last choice. When compared with the Pannie, it has the chroma bug and inferior de-interlacing chipsets. I was not impressed with its picture quality when compared the Panasonic players.
Off the list I would take the 62, but I would very hard to get the 82 on the list and buy it instead. The 82 is only $206 online and is a steal at that price.
Franchot
11-25-02, 04:23 AM
The Pansonic RP-82 above and beyond everything out there right now. Add it to your list and pay the extra cash.
wmunn
11-25-02, 06:25 PM
which brick and mortar stores carry the panasonic rp82 dvd player?
I have looked in circuit city. best buy and sound advice to no avail, either they carry the rp62 or some other player and NOT the rp82?
is this just not a profitable item for them to carry?
nekobus
11-25-02, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by wmunn
which brick and mortar stores carry the panasonic rp82 dvd player?
I have looked in circuit city. best buy and sound advice to no avail, either they carry the rp62 or some other player and NOT the rp82?
is this just not a profitable item for them to carry?
It often doesn't fit into their product mix. Few B&M chain stores carry the 82, try looking in an local indie A/V store. It can be found online at:
Thanks for all the input everyone! Looks like i will hold out for the RP-82, even though it is BUTT-ASS UGLY. Luckily it's not too big.
Are there any others around that price range that are better, or is that pretty much it right now?
My friend ordered a Pioneer Progressive Scan for around that price, but still has not received it (model # unknown at this point)
DJ_Longfellow
11-26-02, 12:50 PM
Ok, i did it...i finally ordered my DVD player.
I took all your advice i purchased the RP82, i spent the extra money and went with it. OneCall.com also had free shipping, so that was a bonus.
Thanks for all the help
wmunn
11-26-02, 05:46 PM
This thread also inspired me to submit a web order for this player with onecall.com. $225 with overnight shipping so I can enjoy it on thanksgiving day :)
I will probably be amazed with all the new features added to dvd players since I purchased my first generation RCA model, it has served us well over the past several years, and still works rock solid, but lacks many features common now, and has trouble with some newer special feature discs. I hope I am pleasantly surprised and satisfied with the new panasonic.
Buy: