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Trigger
07-20-02, 07:29 PM
Once and for all...

It seems the forum is split on this topic of kiddie games and adult games.

The kiddie gamer - The games you like are intended for a general audience - from children on up to adults. You have no hang-ups on bubbles or colors or squeaky sounds. You focus on the gameplay and if you see it as challenging and entertaining, then you are able to enjoy yourselves. Nobody is accusing you of being immature or childish. Just because someone doesn't like the same games as you doesn't mean he thinks he's better than you as a person. :) Platformers and RPGs are among your favorite genres.

The adult gamer - The games you like are intended for an older crowd. Just because the game is for a more adult crowd, that doesn't mean it has blood and boobs and violence in it. Strategy games and sims are also considered to be more adult oriented. You also focus on the gameplay and if you see it as challenging and compelling or thought provoking, then you are able to enjoy yourselves. Nobody is accusing you of being narrow-minded or insecure. Just because someone doesn't like the same games as you doesn't mean that he thinks he's better than you as a person. :) Shooters, Strategys and Sims are among your favorite genres.

The outsider - These people are not gamers and never have been. They see gaming to be a childish waste of time alltogether. They don't see that games have boobs or bubbles, their idea of a game is pool or darts. Their opinion doesn't matter to us. :)

Fact is, we are all gamers... whether we like PCs, Nintendos, Xboxs, PS2s, MACs or gameboys. If someone on the forum says a game doesn't interest them because it's "geared more towards children" - what they mean is that they prefer titles that are more mature or adult oriented. By mature, they don't mean boobies and blood - they mean they like a different type of game like Action or FPS or Strategy, Racing or perhaps an RPG with more realistic and less cartoony looking characters. A good example would be the preference to play a game like Gran Tourismo over a game like Mario Kart... Gran Tourismo has no boobs or blood and yet it's considered to be more mature even though it's a title rated for everyone. Mario Kart may have great gameplay, but some people just prefer realism to cartoon characters. By 'geared towards children' they aren't talking about diapers and Barney the dinosaur and gerber baby food... they just mean titles that are designed to appeal to everyone. Just because something is made to appeal to everyone, doesn't mean it will. Mario Sunshine is a game designed for gamers of all ages. It's not made specifically for children just because the graphics have alot of color and it's cartoony and has flowers and sunshine or whatever. Nobody is accusing people who like this game of being 2 year olds. We are all gamers. We all like different types of games. The fact that we all like games should be enough to keep us out of fights. Let's take a break on dumping on each other and try to spend more time focusing on things you know about and like rather than posting about topics you know little about or have little interest in. :)

BrinStar
07-20-02, 07:56 PM
The Bi-Polar: The games you like are for the Adult, no younger, no wait female, no you selfish pig batstard the republican, no wait it doesnt matter anyways crowd. You have no hangups on boobies, bubbles, or brainsucking-ninja-zombie-strategy-puzzles, to you its all crack cocane anyways. You focus on the gameplay because if you don't your mother, girlfriend, wife, child will nag you till your forced to shove thier head in a happy Barnie the Dinosaur killer grip of death. Nobody is accusing you of anything, and you know this, because if you did they would meet an untimely demise at the hands of your controller wire. Just because someone doesn't like the games you do makes them a |_/\|\/|3|2 and you deserve the right to send them home to mommy cring. You think you are better than everyone because lets face it, you are.
You deserve to inhabbit the dark neather regions of the gaming multiverse, thats right, I'm talking about MMORPG gaming.



The GirlFriend - The games you like are simplistic to say the least, they don't require anything more than pressing the buttons on the controller in a maddening uncontrollable rappid fashion. Your idea of gameplay is making your boyfriend happy enough that he will take you to see "The Devine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood" and save you the $32.50 at the movie theater. You are never able to fully enjoy yourself because lets face it, that would mean he would "win" and you would "lose" what however no one knows. No one is accusing you of being immature or childish, just female. Just because you only like the games the rest of us tire of in 2.5 minuets doesn't mean its all bad, the fact you know the A button from the B button is all we really wanted in the first place.
Your favorit games are "Samba de Miao" "Dance Dance Revolution" and "Dead or Alive 2,3"


The Fanboy - You don't realy play games at all. Infact you've never touched a video game system in your life. You've read alot about them however and you envy the rest of the gaming world for your deprivity. You at random find a victum and ridicule them, searching all over the net for any negative article or rant against your victum, and then you hound them like a pissed off pitbull in heat. Nobody is accusing you of anything less than being a wanker and cheap entertainment. Just because you hate the gaming multiverse with every fiber of your being doesn't mean you can be our friend.
Your favorit games are the ones that havent come out yet.

Kellehair
07-20-02, 08:14 PM
Wow. 2 very long posts. I'll have to read them later. Let me just happily say that I never hear comments like, "that game is stoopid cuz its 4 kiddies!" on ths board. I hope this thread doesn't manufacture a problem on this board that doesn't yet exist.

BrinStar
07-20-02, 08:17 PM
My post was a joke.
Didn't mean to upset anyone.

Kellehair
07-20-02, 08:24 PM
Don't worry! I was only upset because it was too long. :)

Groucho
07-20-02, 08:26 PM
Hmm...I'll play any game that's fun whether it has "kiddie" content or "adult" content. Where do I fit in?

Trigger
07-20-02, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Groucho
Hmm...I'll play any game that's fun whether it has "kiddie" content or "adult" content. Where do I fit in? You belong in the "I don't really have to post in this thread because it doesn't concern me" category. ;)

Jackskeleton
07-20-02, 09:51 PM
Why bother bringing Kiddie vs adult arguement out right now? we still have a PC vs CONSOLE arguement to win. ;)

IIG
07-20-02, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Why bother bringing Kiddie vs adult arguement out right now? we still have a PC vs CONSOLE arguement to win. ;)
What's the argument? PC gamers have to spend hundreds after hundreds for graphical upgrades to shooters and console ports that never turn out as good as the console games anyway (sure there are Age of Empires and Caesars, but those games could run on the weakest of the weakest PCs). The only upside that the PC gamers used to have is the hard drive, but these days, consoles are doing that. Mouse and keyboard to control characters on screen? No thanks...

Kellehair
07-20-02, 11:51 PM
What's the argument? PC gamers have to spend hundreds after hundreds for graphical upgrades to shooters and console ports that never turn out as good as the console games anyway (sure there are Age of Empires and Caesars, but those games could run on the weakest of the weakest PCs). The only upside that the PC gamers used to have is the hard drive, but these days, consoles are doing that. Mouse and keyboard to control characters on screen? No thanks...
I'd detail what's wrong in that post but it would take all night. Pull your head out of...the sand.

Mopower
07-20-02, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
Once and for all...

It seems the forum is split on this topic of kiddie games and adult games.

The kiddie gamer - The games you like are intended for a general audience - from children on up to adults. You have no hang-ups on bubbles or colors or squeaky sounds. You focus on the gameplay and if you see it as challenging and entertaining, then you are able to enjoy yourselves. Nobody is accusing you of being immature or childish. Just because someone doesn't like the same games as you doesn't mean he thinks he's better than you as a person. :) Platformers and RPGs are among your favorite genres.

The adult gamer - The games you like are intended for an older crowd. Just because the game is for a more adult crowd, that doesn't mean it has blood and boobs and violence in it. Strategy games and sims are also considered to be more adult oriented. You also focus on the gameplay and if you see it as challenging and compelling or thought provoking, then you are able to enjoy yourselves. Nobody is accusing you of being narrow-minded or insecure. Just because someone doesn't like the same games as you doesn't mean that he thinks he's better than you as a person. :) Shooters, Strategys and Sims are among your favorite genres.

The outsider - These people are not gamers and never have been. They see gaming to be a childish waste of time alltogether. They don't see that games have boobs or bubbles, their idea of a game is pool or darts. Their opinion doesn't matter to us. :)

Fact is, we are all gamers... whether we like PCs, Nintendos, Xboxs, PS2s, MACs or gameboys. If someone on the forum says a game doesn't interest them because it's "geared more towards children" - what they mean is that they prefer titles that are more mature or adult oriented. By mature, they don't mean boobies and blood - they mean they like a different type of game like Action or FPS or Strategy, Racing or perhaps an RPG with more realistic and less cartoony looking characters. A good example would be the preference to play a game like Gran Tourismo over a game like Mario Kart... Gran Tourismo has no boobs or blood and yet it's considered to be more mature even though it's a title rated for everyone. Mario Kart may have great gameplay, but some people just prefer realism to cartoon characters. By 'geared towards children' they aren't talking about diapers and Barney the dinosaur and gerber baby food... they just mean titles that are designed to appeal to everyone. Just because something is made to appeal to everyone, doesn't mean it will. Mario Sunshine is a game designed for gamers of all ages. It's not made specifically for children just because the graphics have alot of color and it's cartoony and has flowers and sunshine or whatever. Nobody is accusing people who like this game of being 2 year olds. We are all gamers. We all like different types of games. The fact that we all like games should be enough to keep us out of fights. Let's take a break on dumping on each other and try to spend more time focusing on things you know about and like rather than posting about topics you know little about or have little interest in. :)


The whole point of the argument was to make you get so frustrated with it that you are forced to write an essay about it. Mission accomplished, we shall stop now.

Josh H
07-21-02, 12:39 AM
You forgot a category.

Hardcore gamer: Just plays games to have fun. Doesn't care if it's realistic violent game, or a cartoony platformer as long as the game is fun to play. Doesn't give a crap whether people say the game is kiddy, or whether it has a "M" on the front of the box.

Trigger
07-21-02, 02:05 AM
You're all full of :crap: :D

IIG
07-21-02, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Kellehair
I'd detail what's wrong in that post but it would take all night. Pull your head out of...the sand.
Go ahead, I'd be delighted if you continued. A condensed version perhaps? I have respected your opinion and arguments quite a bit on this board (you and Josh Hinkle moreso than anyone else), so I would love to see where you stand on this. Of course this isn't really even the appropriate thread for this discussion, but we can easily take it elsewhere.

gcribbs
07-21-02, 04:01 AM
Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Why bother bringing Kiddie vs adult arguement out right now? we still have a PC vs CONSOLE arguement to win. ;)

The PC Crowd won that one a long time ago. The problem is that the Console crowd has such slow PC's that they still have not downloaded the posts and figured out they lost yet.

Maybe if they upgraded once and a while ;)

Keyser Soze
07-21-02, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by gcribbs
The PC Crowd won that one a long time ago. The problem is that the Console crowd has such slow PC's that they still have not downloaded the posts and figured out they lost yet.

Maybe if they upgraded once and a while ;)

Okay, I have to admit it... <B>that was not a failed attempt!</B>

rotfl

-k
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Trigger
07-21-02, 04:36 AM
How did this turn into a PC versus Console discussion? I just started this thread to try to represent both sides of the kiddie games vs. boobie blood games debaucle so there wouldn't be any more misunderstandings. It seems the people who play Nintendo games are really defensive about their games and take offense to others who say the games are for kids... their retort is that mature games are just about boobies and blood and that's not any more true than the idea that only kids are supposed to play Nintendo. I tried to make the post unbiased - my goal is to see these petty disputes go away.

by the way gcribbs - that was damn funny. ;)

Aghama
07-21-02, 10:37 AM
C'mon dude, the very fact that you're calling them "kiddie gamers" is intended to belittle. Very few people only go for games with bright primary colors and cute characters, but there are plenty of people who are vocal about those type of games automatically sucking. Some of us are able to get past the overly cutesy crap to get to the gameply, and some aren't.

Josh H
07-21-02, 11:58 AM
Exactly. Calling them kiddy games in the first place is ignorant and meant to belittle the games. If Trigger wants this debate to go away, he should stop calling them kiddy games. If he can't get past the cutesy graphics and get to the gameplay, that's his loss. He, and those like them, could avoid causing this debate (which he apparently is annoyed by) by not calling the games kiddy.

Groucho
07-21-02, 01:42 PM
Let's make a compromise: Trigger can continue to call them "Kiddy" if he calls the other games "Horny Teen." ;)

Penny Arcade did a good strip a while back on this very subject:

Penny Arcade (F-bomb warning!) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-12-14&res=l)

Trigger
07-21-02, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Aghama
C'mon dude, the very fact that you're calling them "kiddie gamers" is intended to belittle. Very few people only go for games with bright primary colors and cute characters, but there are plenty of people who are vocal about those type of games automatically sucking. Some of us are able to get past the overly cutesy crap to get to the gameply, and some aren't.
No - calling them "kiddie games" wasn't meant to belittle. It was just a differentiation that the rest of the forum had adopted. Get over it. -rolleyes- Look - Adult games are no more for adults than Kiddie games are for kids. I don't give a sh** what you want to call them. Children's games? Family games? Ass games? I don't care. You tell me what Politically Correct term you would prefer and I'll go insert it into the other posts... <small>you big baby</small> ;)

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Exactly. Calling them kiddy games in the first place is ignorant and meant to belittle the games. If Trigger wants this debate to go away, he should stop calling them kiddy games. If he can't get past the cutesy graphics and get to the gameplay, that's his loss. He, and those like them, could avoid causing this debate (which he apparently is annoyed by) by not calling the games kiddy. Oh - okay - so I'm ignorant now. Once again you speak about something you know nothing about. You don't know my intentions, so how can you know I was trying to belittle anyone. Just because you have an inferiority complex, doesn't mean everyone is better than you and just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone is out to get you. That's fine - I'll stop calling them Kiddy games - that's just what everyone else was doing... I don't care. Like I've said - I was playing the Britney Spears game which is probably best described as a girlie game. I don't care - I was playing a girlie game. Doesn't make me a girlie. The fact that you two are bitching about the word "Kiddie" is missing the whole point of the post - you should be wearing the word Kiddie on your shirt like a badge... but I should've known you of all people wouldn't get it.

Originally posted by Groucho
Penny Arcade did a good strip a while back on this very subject:

Penny Arcade (F-bomb warning!) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-12-14&res=l) I've seen that before... :) That's funny.

Static Cling
07-21-02, 04:00 PM
If the terminology is such an important part of this discussion, I recommend these terms... the general audience gamer vs. the mature audience gamer.

I honestly don't see the problem, though, because Trigger went out of his way to describe each category in detail.

*waits for someone to take offense by incorrectly thinking I'm painting the general audience gamer as immature*

I also recommend that people avoid calling each other and each other's arguments "ignorant" or making implications about each other's psyches. Comments like these don't further the actual discussion, but are just a lower-grade form of name-calling.

Trigger
07-21-02, 04:10 PM
Thanks Static Cling - I'm glad to see the moderator can recognize that I'm trying to diffuse the arguments rather than insult anyone or further fuel them. :) I'm happy to go back and change the terminoligy if you like - I just thought that using the term "Kiddie" and describing it as I did would enable people to not get so heated if someone innocently says that a game is "too kiddy" for their tastes... I guess some people can't see past that. Part of my point was that people who think a game is too kiddy for them aren't saying the people who like those games are children or mental infants - they just don't like that style of gameplay/theme. On the flip of the coin, gamers who prefer adult titles (which is a term typically reserved for porn material on Skinemax) aren't always looking for boobies and blood. Anyway - I guess some people are happier arguing than getting along.

Aghama
07-21-02, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Trigger

No - calling them "kiddie games" wasn't meant to belittle. It was just a differentiation that the rest of the forum had adopted. Get over it. -rolleyes- Look - Adult games are no more for adults than Kiddie games are for kids. I don't give a sh** what you want to call them. Children's games? Family games? Ass games? I don't care. You tell me what Politically Correct term you would prefer and I'll go insert it into the other posts... <small>you big baby</small> ;)When has this forum ever adopted a consensus of any kind? You also missed the whole point of my post: your classifications are wrong. Your kiddie gamers play plenty of more mature games; GTA3 was beyond a doubt the best console game I played last year. I don't really care what you call the games, but just keep the "kiddie" label away from me and we'll be nice and kosher, dig?

I'll also take this opportunity to revoke part of what I said in another thread. This growing trend of immature games is irritating me, and the two biggies are DOA Volleyball and Mirra XXX. The only reason I called out the Xbox developers was because for some reason I thought XXX was only coming out for that system...I was obviously totally mistaken.

zig
07-21-02, 04:28 PM
I don't know why we have to have terms for either. Almost every game is for general audiences. Very few games require intense thought and concentration that supposedly only mature people have. The only games that aren't for general audiences are the ones with gratuitous blood, nudity, or language. And most people would agree, those aren't mature games. Let's just call them games. Games, Games, and Games With Tits. Whether you mean it to or not, calling a game kiddie is putting the game down. I don't REALLY care if you want to call them kiddie, you can call a game whatever you want. But what purpose does the word serve other than to insult the game. None. It doesn't describe the game, because I have no idea what you personally consider kiddie or not kiddie or whatever. I had a point in here somewhere.

Trigger
07-21-02, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Aghama
When has this forum ever adopted a consensus of any kind? You also missed the whole point of my post: your classifications are wrong. Your kiddie gamers play plenty of more mature games; GTA3 was beyond a doubt the best console game I played last year. I don't really care what you call the games, but just keep the "kiddie" label away from me and we'll be nice and kosher, dig?

I'll also take this opportunity to revoke part of what I said in another thread. This growing trend of immature games is irritating me, and the two biggies are DOA Volleyball and Mirra XXX. The only reason I called out the Xbox developers was because for some reason I thought XXX was only coming out for that system...I was obviously totally mistaken. Well, I agree with you that DOA Vollyball is a gross insult to gamers (but that won't stop them from picking it up by the fistfulls) and same with Mirra (which will be about as ignored as the last one) XXX. As far as the forum adopting a consensus - I didn't mean that there was a town meeting and we all agreed on something - I just meant about how most of this part of the forum seems to say "kiddie" games and "adult" games and that people get all bent about it. The point I was trying to make and the reason I used the word Kiddie was because I was trying to illustrate that it's not such a bad thing and it's no reason to feel insulted and not a word to be flung about as an insult either. Look - just like in that Penny Arcade comic, we're all less than cool anyway for even playing video games in the first place - so there's no sense in us making fun of each other for the types of games each other plays or likes. I've played and enjoyed Sonic Adventure and I've hatched little fuzzy creatures in that room and raced the little mutant fuzzy baby creatures and whatever - I'd call that a kiddie game, but I enjoyed it and I think it's fun. I don't think that makes me a thumb sucker or anything either. Also - I never meant to suggest that people who play "kiddie" games do only that - I have no doubt that you've played GTA3 and liked it... I'm sure everyone else has played games that aren't intended for a general audience. Also - I see that people go out of their way to crap on a game because they are too hung up on cutesy themes (if that was the point of your post, then you should've refrained from accusing me of trying to belittle anyone)... I think there's poo flung from both sides. My point is well illustrated in the first post I think.

People that like games designed for general audiences can see past the colors and the cutesy themes and just enjoy the gameplay. That's fine. People who prefer games that are more adult oriented like games with more realism inserted into them. That's fine too. Both sides usually enjoy games from both groups. People who suggest a game like Mario Sunshine is too "kiddy" for their tastes are merely suggesting that they prefer more realism in their games, not necessarily more blood and violence and sex... Cuz to be honest with you, the teens and pre-teens are more fascinated with the boobies and blood of DOA3 than are people my age. If I want to see boobs, I'll go to a strip club or have my girlfriend take her top off. One of the things that annoy me about Aggressive Inline is the fact that they inserted two jubbly bimbo characters last minute in order to sell the game. That's kinda insulting. You shouldn't care if someone says a game you like is a "kiddie" game... it's not an insult to you and you should know better than to think they mean that the game is only for children ages 2-4. You shouldn't have to feel the need to defend yourself for liking the game either - I mean, of course you like the game because of the gameplay... nobody thinks you like the game because you think Mario is soooo cute. :rolleyes: Anyway that's the purpose of the original post... so far, it's not working so good. :)

Josh H
07-21-02, 04:38 PM
The fact is that a "kiddy" game would be something like a Barney game that teaches kids how to count.

For example, people like to call Mario Sunshine "kiddy," because of it's cartoony graphics and characters.

However, assuming it's like Mario 64, the gameplay won't be kiddy at all. Getting all 120 stars in Mario 64 was hard as crap, there's no way most kids could do it. Likely, it will be equally as tough to get all the shines in Mario Sunshine.

BTW, Trigger, I didn't call you ignorant, and never said calling the games "kiddy" belittles anyone. I, and others, said that it belittles the game. It's writing it off just because of it's look. If you want to do that, fine, it's your loss. I'll continue enjoying all games with good gameplay regardless of their graphical style and rating, and you can continue to pick from only the mature games and miss out on the rest. It makes no difference to me.

I just get sick of people calling games like mario that don't have kiddy game play kiddy simply because of the graphics and characters.

Trigger
07-21-02, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
The fact is that a "kiddy" game would be something like a Barney game that teaches kids how to count.

For example, people like to call Mario Sunshine "kiddy," because of it's cartoony graphics and characters.

However, assuming it's like Mario 64, the gameplay won't be kiddy at all. Getting all 120 stars in Mario 64 was hard as crap, there's no way most kids could do it. Likely, it will be equally as tough to get all the shines in Mario Sunshine.

BTW, Trigger, I didn't call you ignorant, and never said calling the games "kiddy" belittles anyone. I, and others, said that it belittles the game. It's writing it off just because of it's look. If you want to do that, fine, it's your loss. I'll continue enjoying all games with good gameplay regardless of their graphical style and rating, and you can continue to pick from only the mature games and miss out on the rest. It makes no difference to me.

I just get sick of people calling games like mario that don't have kiddy game play kiddy simply because of the graphics and characters. Once again, refusing to get my point... oh well... I've pretty much given up on you. :)

I'm not campaigning for the right to call a game a "kiddie" game. Okay? I don't just play mature games.... bah... whatever... this is exhausting trying to explain something to you.

zig
07-21-02, 04:52 PM
I guess I just completely don't understand the concept of not liking a game JUST because it has cartoony characters. If you don't find Mario to be a fun game, then that's perfectly OK with me. If you don't even consider or don't enjoy it because it has cartoony characters, that doesn't make sense to me. Is there some ON/OFF switch in our heads for cartoony and realistic? Cartoony: OFF, can't enjoy this game, it's cartoony. Realistic: ON, ah much better, this game can be fun. Both my switches are ON :p I guess that just gives me more fun games to choose from.

Aghama
07-21-02, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Trigger

this is exhausting trying to explain something to you. I know how you feel. If you go back and read what I've posted in this thread, and see that every time I typed the word "gamer" I meant "gamer" and not "games", I think you'll see where I'm coming from.

Josh H
07-21-02, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by zig
I guess I just completely don't understand the concept of not liking a game JUST because it has cartoony characters. If you don't find Mario to be a fun game, then that's perfectly OK with me. If you don't even consider or don't enjoy it because it has cartoony characters, that doesn't make sense to me.

Exactly my point.

I'm not saying anyone in this thread does that, but some members here do. Flay comes to mind. But like I said, it's their loss.

Trigger
07-21-02, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by zig
I guess I just completely don't understand the concept of not liking a game JUST because it has cartoony characters. If you don't find Mario to be a fun game, then that's perfectly OK with me. If you don't even consider or don't enjoy it because it has cartoony characters, that doesn't make sense to me. Is there some ON/OFF switch in our heads for cartoony and realistic? Cartoony: OFF, can't enjoy this game, it's cartoony. Realistic: ON, ah much better, this game can be fun. Both my switches are ON :p I guess that just gives me more fun games to choose from. Well... I don't like Nintendo platformers and I don't like any RPGs. Why? Because for the most part, I don't like platformers and I don't like RPGs. I don't like the gameplay. I think it sucks. That's my opinion. About the whole cartoony look of the game - I like plenty of cartoony games. It's just that my favorite genre is First Person Shooter. I like to shoot people and monsters and be scared out of my pants... and the more realistic the better. Cartoony and cutesy characters don't scare me. Platformers are more frustrating that orgami with mittens on cuz you try to jump to this platform and you miss and have to go all the way back and do it again. Repetition isn't something I dig. Although I'll admit that I've been hypnotized by the Telitubbies a few times and was rendered unable to look away or change the channel. I almost died - if not for someone coming in and turning the TV off and slapping me in the face, I would've been a zombie. So look, just because you like the gameplay of Mario and someone else doesn't - that doesn't mean they're missing out on anything because they are too narrow minded to accept a game that has cartoony characters. :)

Trigger
07-21-02, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Aghama
I know how you feel. If you go back and read what I've posted in this thread, and see that every time I typed the word "gamer" I meant "gamer" and not "games", I think you'll see where I'm coming from. I addressed every issue you brought up. I know you're saying gamer and not games. I was talking about the games because that's the focus of all this. I don't think you get the original intention of my first post. I don't think anyone is an adult gamer or a kiddie gamer - it was a way to illustrate my point as I've explained numerous times. There was no malicious intent and I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I'm sorry you took it all the wrong way.

Trigger
07-21-02, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle


Exactly my point.

I'm not saying anyone in this thread does that, but some members here do. Flay comes to mind. But like I said, it's their loss. I can't speak for Flay - only Flay can do that, but I'm assuming that he just doesn't like platformers with cutesy characters... he prefers something else. It's not his loss. He's not missing out on anything. It's like someone prefering the color blue over the color red. If red is your favorite color and my favorite color is blue, I own a blue car and you own a red car - I'm really not missing out on owning a red car. Get it?

Josh H
07-21-02, 05:22 PM
If you , or someone, doesn't like platformers because you don't like the gameplay, that's perfectly valid.

Many people don't even know what the gameplay's like because they can't get past the cutesy graphics to give it a shot.

Those are the people that might be missing out on something they'd enjoy if they gave it a chance.

Flay made it pretty clear in the Mario Sunshine thread (though he immaturely deleted all his posts and wrote up smart ass reply now) that the main reason he has no interest in those type of games is the cutesy graphics.

I think that's a silly reason to judge a game. At least try a game (or type of game), and find out if you like the game play before saying you have no interest in it.

For example, I'm skeptical about the new Zelda game as I'm not a fan of Cel Shaded graphics, but I'm not going to right it off because of that. I'll wait until I play it and see if the gameplay feel like Zelda, even though the graphics don't look like the Zelda I've known and loved in the past.

Many people have already written the game off due to the new graphical style, and that's just silly IMO.

Trigger
07-21-02, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
If you , or someone, doesn't like platformers because you don't like the gameplay, that's perfectly valid.

Many people don't even know what the gameplay's like because they can't get past the cutesy graphics to give it a shot.

Those are the people that might be missing out on something they'd enjoy if they gave it a chance.

Flay made it pretty clear in the Mario Sunshine thread (though he immaturely deleted all his posts and wrote up smart ass reply now) that the main reason he has no interest in those type of games is the cutesy graphics.

I think that's a silly reason to judge a game. At least try a game (or type of game), and find out if you like the game play before saying you have no interest in it.

For example, I'm skeptical about the new Zelda game as I'm not a fan of Cel Shaded graphics, but I'm not going to right it off because of that. I'll wait until I play it and see if the gameplay feel like Zelda, even though the graphics don't look like the Zelda I've known and loved in the past.

Many people have already written the game off due to the new graphical style, and that's just silly IMO. I can't speak for Flay - only Flay can do that, but I'm assuming that he just doesn't like platformers with cutesy characters... he prefers something else. It's not his loss. He's not missing out on anything. It's like someone prefering the color blue over the color red. If red is your favorite color and my favorite color is blue, I own a blue car and you own a red car - I'm really not missing out on owning a red car. Get it?

You may find it silly, but it's not silly at all. People don't all have to like the same things - that's part of what makes us unique from each other. Maybe his mother was murdered by a plumber. Maybe when he was in prison, the other prisoners made him their bi*** because he had a tattoo that said "Shine Get"... You don't know - and it's not your place to judge. Anyway - just realize that taste is subjective and although we are all gamers here, the fact is that we all like different games for different reasons - none of them are any more logical than others.

Josh H
07-21-02, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
Anyway - just realize that taste is subjective and although we are all gamers here, the fact is that we all like different games for different reasons - none of them are any more logical than others.

That's where we'll just have to agree to disagree. In the end games should be judged on the gameplay, and the gameplay alone.

If someone plays Mario or other platformers and doesn't like them, that's a valid opinion.

If someone see's Mario's and other platformers' cartoony graphics and says they suck without even trying them, then that's an uninformed opinion, and one that shouldn't be given any merit.

Trigger
07-21-02, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
That's where we'll just have to agree to disagree. In the end games should be judged on the gameplay, and the gameplay alone. Well... that's radiculos - If graphics didn't matter to people, then why would they bother to improve them? Why do people buy new consoles if graphics don't matter. You're not god - you can't tell me or anyone else why we should or shouldn't like a game.

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
If someone plays Mario or other platformers and doesn't like them, that's a valid opinion.Right.

Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
If someone see's Mario's and other platformers' cartoony graphics and says they suck without even trying them, then that's an uninformed opinion, and one that shouldn't be given any merit. Much like most of your opinions seeing as how they are rarely based on personal experience.

zig
07-21-02, 08:01 PM
Well, graphics don't matter to me. I buy new consoles and new PC parts because I have to to play new games. I don't worry about upgrading my PC until I truly cannot play any new games that are released, even on their lowest graphic settings. (proof of this is the fact that I have a Celeron 333mhz and a TNT1 and am just now considering an upgrade) I want to play new games because playing old games gets repetitive, not because I want shinier graphics. Anyway.. that's just my mini-off-topic-rant. Sorry. :p

Anway, I can't think of any rational explanation for someone not liking cartoony things just because they're cartoony. Generally opinions need to have something to back them up for anyone to care. Apparently you can not like cartoony graphics just because. I liked your car color example, because that's stupid also. What reason would someone have for having a favorite color? It's a stupid bias against all other colors that has no rational explanation. I don't have a favorite color. ( :lol: i crack myself up )

Trigger
07-21-02, 10:44 PM
Okay - well this is going way off topic. I meant this to end a debate and it seems to have just been a place to continue it. I guess my efforts were somewhere between misguided and misunderstood and it's becoming clearer to me that people enjoy arguing about this stuff... so go 'head... have at thee... ;)

Flay
07-21-02, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Josh Hinkle

Flay made it pretty clear in the Mario Sunshine thread (though he immaturely deleted all his posts and wrote up smart ass reply now) that the main reason he has no interest in those type of games is the cutesy graphics.

I think that's a silly reason to judge a game. At least try a game (or type of game), and find out if you like the game play before saying you have no interest in it.



LOL. Yes, Josh. Graphics are the only reason I play games. -rolleyes-

Must be easy to forget that I also noted "cutesy" audio, "cutesy" dialogue, "cutesy" gameplay, and a "cutesy" storyline. All of which happens to be dripping from Super Mario Sunshine.

I'm sorry that I don't like "cutesy" games anymore. If you think that's dead wrong, well than preach from your soapbox all day long. Conversely, I think it's great that you like Super Mario Sunshine. Have fun with it. It's getting great reviews from everyone that's played the import version.

joltaddict
07-21-02, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
it's becoming clearer to me that people enjoy arguing about this stuff... so go 'head... have at thee... ;)

Im just waiting for Flay and Josh to make out. The sexual tension is killing me.

Flay
07-22-02, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by joltaddict


Im just waiting for Flay and Josh to make out. The sexual tension is killing me.

:lol: rotfl :lol:

BrinStar
07-22-02, 03:36 PM
There are four basic types of games in this world.


Stupid Kiddy Stupid Adult



Smart Kiddy Smart Adult





come to think of it, there are four types of people in this world too...


Stupid Cute Stupid Ugly


Smart Cute Smart Ugly




That about sums up this whole thread.

Caoimhin
07-23-02, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by BrinStar
...a |_/\|\/|3|2 ...

A what?

joltaddict
07-23-02, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Caoimhin
A what?

Lamer.
The word, not you.

Get Me Coffee
09-16-02, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by BrinStar
The Bi-Polar: The games you like are for the Adult, no younger, no wait female, no you selfish pig batstard the republican, no wait it doesnt matter anyways crowd. You have no hangups on boobies, bubbles, or brainsucking-ninja-zombie-strategy-puzzles, to you its all crack cocane anyways. You focus on the gameplay because if you don't your mother, girlfriend, wife, child will nag you till your forced to shove thier head in a happy Barnie the Dinosaur killer grip of death. Nobody is accusing you of anything, and you know this, because if you did they would meet an untimely demise at the hands of your controller wire. Just because someone doesn't like the games you do makes them a |_/\|\/|3|2 and you deserve the right to send them home to mommy cring. You think you are better than everyone because lets face it, you are.
You deserve to inhabbit the dark neather regions of the gaming multiverse, thats right, I'm talking about MMORPG gaming.



The GirlFriend - The games you like are simplistic to say the least, they don't require anything more than pressing the buttons on the controller in a maddening uncontrollable rappid fashion. Your idea of gameplay is making your boyfriend happy enough that he will take you to see "The Devine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood" and save you the $32.50 at the movie theater. You are never able to fully enjoy yourself because lets face it, that would mean he would "win" and you would "lose" what however no one knows. No one is accusing you of being immature or childish, just female. Just because you only like the games the rest of us tire of in 2.5 minuets doesn't mean its all bad, the fact you know the A button from the B button is all we really wanted in the first place.
Your favorit games are "Samba de Miao" "Dance Dance Revolution" and "Dead or Alive 2,3"


The Fanboy - You don't realy play games at all. Infact you've never touched a video game system in your life. You've read alot about them however and you envy the rest of the gaming world for your deprivity. You at random find a victum and ridicule them, searching all over the net for any negative article or rant against your victum, and then you hound them like a pissed off pitbull in heat. Nobody is accusing you of anything less than being a wanker and cheap entertainment. Just because you hate the gaming multiverse with every fiber of your being doesn't mean you can be our friend.
Your favorit games are the ones that havent come out yet.


rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

jeffdsmith
09-17-02, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Trigger
No - calling them "kiddie games" wasn't meant to belittle. It was just a differentiation that the rest of the forum had adopted. Get over it. -rolleyes- Look - Adult games are no more for adults than Kiddie games are for kids. I don't give a sh** what you want to call them. Children's games? Family games? Ass games? I don't care. You tell me what Politically Correct term you would prefer and I'll go insert it into the other posts... <small>you big baby</small> ;)


How about "Everyone"? :rolleyes:


Early Childhood

Titles rated "Early Childhood (EC)" have content that may be suitable for children ages three and older and do not contain any material that parents would find inappropriate.

Everyone

Titles rated "Everyone (E)" have content that may be suitable for persons ages six and older. These titles will appeal to people of many ages and tastes. They may contain minimal violence, some comic mischief (for example, slapstick comedy), or some crude language.

Teen

Titles rated "Teen (T)" have content that may be suitable for persons ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violent content, mild or strong language, and/or suggestive themes.


Mature

Titles rated "Mature (M)" have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. These products may include more intense violence or language than products in the Teen category. In addition, these titles may also include mature sexual themes.


Adults Only

Titles rated "Adults Only (AO)" have content suitable only for adults. These products may include graphic depictions of sex and/or violence. Adults Only products are not intended to be sold or rented to persons under the age of 18.

zero
09-17-02, 04:25 AM
...and on that note our discussion begins again.

jeffdsmith
09-17-02, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by zero
...and on that note our discussion begins again.

I am not to blame.

:Nixon waving fingers here:

darkside
09-17-02, 07:08 AM
Well this topic sure seemed to settle that issue. :lol:

zero
09-17-02, 11:14 PM
Wait darkside..dont be sarcastic it only means your crapping on someones opinion-rolleyes- Oh wait I KNOW!!! Lets start a am I the only one who was VERY DISAPOINTED in the "Kiddy vs Adult" game debate thread? But I hope it doesnt lead to people disagreeing with me or trying to make sense of what Im trying to really say. Then when it grows into a large debate I can post..............................................."Sorry I never meant for it to turn out like this" Then all will be forgiven and people will back me up because afterall this is a discussion place right? :p

Trigger
09-17-02, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by zero
Wait darkside..dont be sarcastic it only means your crapping on someones opinion-rolleyes- Oh wait I KNOW!!! Lets start a am I the only one who was VERY DISAPOINTED in the "Kiddy vs Adult" game debate thread? But I hope it doesnt lead to people disagreeing with me or trying to make sense of what Im trying to really say. Then when it grows into a large debate I can post..............................................."Sorry I never meant for it to turn out like this" Then all will be forgiven and people will back me up because afterall this is a discussion place right? :p -rolleyes- Okay - now I'm starting to have a beef with you... why can't you get over it? Don't be such a baby. If I bothered you somehow and you have to carry it over into other threads, why don't you email me so we can discuss it like mature people. I think personal problems belong outside of the forum. Email me at triggerdvd@hotmail.com if you really want to give me a piece of your mind.

Trigger
09-17-02, 11:22 PM
By the way - this topic didn't go anywhere. It was intended to bring peace to the forums, but it didn't work out. I've accepted that and moved on.

E is for Everyone. That's fine with me as a description.

zero
09-17-02, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Trigger
-rolleyes- Okay - now I'm starting to have a beef with you... why can't you get over it? Don't be such a baby. If I bothered you somehow and you have to carry it over into other threads, why don't you email me so we can discuss it like mature people. I think personal problems belong outside of the forum. Email me at triggerdvd@hotmail.com if you really want to give me a piece of your mind.

Direct that comment at yourself, it was a joke. I have no personal problem with you just making light of everything thats been going on in the last few days. But since we are in the spirit of giving here you go MrParker085@aol.com even better thats my AIM name feel free to use it.

Trigger
09-18-02, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by zero
Direct that comment at yourself Oh yeah? I know you are but what am I? :p