I was disappointed in this game system for the longest time.
No good games at all coming, or out.(save Smash Bros and SMB).
Lately however, the 'Cube is making a HUGE comeback in my book.
The Wavebird is quite possibly the greatest controller ever. It has no rumble, but that's not too shabby. I can live w/o rumble, if I don't have to deal with wires across my already cramped living room.
WMX8 is one of the finer wrestling games on the next gen consoles. I can't wait to see the next few versions of it.
Mario, Metroid, and Link are coming...SOON!
Resident Evil is on the Cube. Nuff Said.
Eternal Darkness(haven't played this yet, planning on it soon).
Lots of great stuff coming, typical NoA system, slow early, GREAT later.
Groucho
06-30-02, 11:09 AM
The "slow early, great later" has been the case with a lot of systems. PS2 for one. You just can't expect 10 AAA titles to come out on launch day.
Kellehair
06-30-02, 11:26 AM
I was never disappointed in the Cube. It has actually exceeded my expectations. It's been out what, 7 and a half months? I already have over a dozen games with a bunch more must buys on the way. Sure, some of the games that are out right now are kinda short, but that's the way the game industry is going right now. IMO almost every game on the PS2 is a rental only type game. In contrast, I want to play through a lot of my Cube games again, I just haven't had the time.
The only area that hasn't been too great is the sports department. I really wish Tiger Woods and some other sports games were on the Cube. I'm pretty sure EA's full slate of sports games will apear on the Cube next year though.
I think I've rabled enough for now. Maybe I'll make another post later.
Josh H
06-30-02, 11:35 AM
I've never been dissappointed with it. At launch Rogue Leader, Super Monkey Ball and Madden 2002 where great. Wave Race was fun while it lasted. Tony Hawk 3 was ok, but I was dissapointed with it because I'm burnt out on the series and it was just more of the same.
A month after launch, Super Smash Bros: Melee came out. I got it for X-mas and still play it a few times a week trying to get trophies. Pikmin came out the same day, but I haven't got a chance to try it yet.
Spring was slow for all systems. The gamecube did get two excellent basketball games in NBA Street and NBA2K2.
Late spring brought the amazing Resident Evil remake, that featured almost an entirely new game and the best graphics seen to date on a console.
And now Eternal Darkenss has came out, and is far and away the best Gamecube game yet, and the best game I've played on any of the next-gen systems.
The future looks even brighter with Mario, Star Fox Adventures, Metroid and RE 0 coming exclusively to the cube between now and November, with a bunch of interesting looking multiplatform games like Timesplitters 2 and Turok Evolution on the way as well.
Personally I don't see how anyone other than those that just don't care for Nintendo games, and those oddballs that can't stand cartoony graphics and have to have blood, tits, gore, a Mature logo on the front of the game, etc in order to enjoy a game, could be dissappointed with the Gamecube.
The lineup is comparable to the X-boxes in terms of great games available. Personal tastes will decide whick line-up one likes better. And the Gamecube (and Xbox) has many more good games than the PS2 did at this point in it's life span.
darkside
06-30-02, 11:39 AM
Not dissapointed at all. I expected a wait for the big AAA titles. I enjoyed the heck out of Luigi's Mansion, Tony Hawk 3, and Wave Race. I also played Smash Bros and Star Wars a bit.
With Resident Evil and Eternal Darkness out now it is definitely a great console to own.
As far as the future, with the exception of Vice City and Kingdom Hearts all of the games I am really looking forward to are Game Cube games.
zig
06-30-02, 11:51 AM
Er... I would've typed out a big long thing, but joshhinkle already said everything I would've.. and more. So I'll just say No.
Thunderball
06-30-02, 12:41 PM
:up: to you guys
I love my Cube as well, just seeing if anyone else was still skeptical of it
djones6746
06-30-02, 12:51 PM
Just bought my Cube this month due to one game and two future releases.....
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 4
Outside of these titles.......would like to check out Rogue Squadron and Eternal Darkness.
Resident Evil was the big draw for me....I see the Cube going the way of the 64 with the lack of titles both in terms of quality and numbers. Hope I am wrong...... :)
Kellehair
06-30-02, 01:56 PM
I see the Cube going the way of the 64 with the lack of titles both in terms of quality and numbers.
A Nintendo system never has nad never will lack quality titles.
cartman
06-30-02, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by djones6746
Just bought my Cube this month due to one game and two future releases.....
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 4
Outside of these titles.......would like to check out Rogue Squadron and Eternal Darkness.
Resident Evil was the big draw for me....I see the Cube going the way of the 64 with the lack of titles both in terms of quality and numbers. Hope I am wrong...... :)
Ditto, though I bought my Gamecube at launch. I played Luigi's Mansion until I beat it (a few days), Super Monkey Ball for a few weeks (stil every once in a while), Rogue Leader for a couple weeks, and Waverace for a couple weeks. Then it sat. Useless to me while I played GTA3 and Halo and Oddworld and FFX and Ico and SSX Tricky (on PS2) and TH3 (on PS2).
Then, Super Smash Brothers: Melee came out, and I played it for about 2 weeks, and grew a bit tired of it. Then my GC did nothing yet again for months. I seriously considered selling it, but the Resident Evil series kept me hopeful.
I'm now playing WMX8 and Eternal Darkness thanks to Blockbuster's little video game deal, and while ED has been fun so far, I don't really see myself playing it over and over like I do the RE titles (I am only in the third chapter, so maybe that will change).
To answer to original question, yes I am disappointed, and am not as hopeful as I was about the PS2 or X-Box at this point. Checking the EB release date, these are the only games I'm looking forward to:
Star fox (I'll give it a chance, but I have a feeling it'll play just like any other 3D platformer)
Resident Evil 2 (my favorite in the series)
Resident Evil 0
Metriod Prime (it may not be a "real" Metriod game, but looks to be a cool FPS)
The Legend of Zelda (it looks to play more like a classic Zelda game than the N64 versions, so I'll give it a chance)
That's a whopping five titles, which would bring my GC title game collection up to a whopping eight (I've sold a couple since the original purchase). I've said it before, and I'll say it again, darn that Resident Evil for making me keep this infernal console!
Originally posted by Kellehair
A Nintendo system never has nad never will lack quality titles.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :D
Tamrok
06-30-02, 02:31 PM
I guess I've been a little disappointed so far but I admit that I suspected all along that it would be similar to my experience with owning the N64. There were some great games for the N64 and I didn't regret owning it or the Gamecube. However, I'm glad I own the other consoles to keep me busy during the long droughts. I'm not a fan of the Resident Evil control scheme so that rules out those games. I basically bought the cube for the big 3. If those turn out to be as good as expected, I will be happy with my purchase.
Souljahh
06-30-02, 03:27 PM
Not disappointed at all. I'm not a fan of the pump-out-as-many-titles-as-you-can ideology some consoles seem to subscribe to. Nintendo releases fewer games but they are, on average, more quality.
So far, I own Super Smash Bros, Super Monkey Ball, Resident Evil, and Fifa 2002. Amazing how these few games keep me busy; they have so much replay value. I played Eternal Darkness last night and will be getting it soon. I also just rented Bomberman Generation and it is a VERY fun game that seems to have gone overlooked by most. Hopefully, I'll pick up Lost Kingdoms, GCN's first rpg, soon as it looks promising.
It's just amazing how Nintendo's heavyweights haven't even been released. Can't wait to get my hands on Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Starfox Adventures, RE0, etc. I'm even looking forward to smaller titles like Super Monkey Ball 2 and in the probably distant future, we'll see inevitably awesome games like Mario Kart, etc.
Kellehair
06-30-02, 04:26 PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Quality isn't a subject open to opinion.
Mike_AA
06-30-02, 04:50 PM
I WAS dissapointed with the Cube up until the recent E3 (which I'm sure turned many heads including mine). The Cube came out with Luigi's Mansion and Rogue Leader, neither interesting me whatsoever. Even when SSMB came out, I didn't care. I had barely played the original Smash Bros. at all. Every other game I liked (NBA 2K2, NBA Street, Tony Hawk 3, SSX Tricky) was not exclusive to Nintendo, so I held out for a while.
After finally (yes, I was late) getting into Smash Bros on the N64, I started paying attention to the Cube version and soon found myself interested. As E3 rolled around and I saw the previews of NBA 2K3, Madden 2003, NFL 2K3, NHL 2K3, Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc. I knew I had to have it. And I finally was impressed.
Didn't want to rant too much, but I don't think I could ever be dissapointed with a Nintendo system in the future....except for the Virtual Boy thing, they ALWAYS make great, classic games and innovate like no other (the WaveBird has made it clear every console in the future will have wireless controllers). And now that they have the 3rd party support (sports titles) I like, I'm hooked. I've had the Cube for a 3 weeks now and I still am loving every second of the 3 games I own. Can't wait for Mario...
Josh H
06-30-02, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Kellehair
Quality isn't a subject open to opinion.
Very true. Every Nintendo system has had many games that sold millions of copies and got great reviews.
People like Cartman may personally have not liked them, but that doesn't mean they aren't quality games.
For example, I personally hate Morrowind as the combat system sucks and I hate open-ended games.
But I can't say it's not a high quality games. It's very well done and a great game for it's genre. It's just doesn't appeal to me.
Mattalos
06-30-02, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Kellehair
Quality isn't a subject open to opinion.
Then what's the point of having an opinion?
I'm bored of my Gamecube.
I'll just have to keep waiting for the "AAA" games. When's that? August, November and next year? ... Cool.
Cardiff Giant
06-30-02, 06:22 PM
I got my cube in late May. The game that sealed the deal was Resident Evil. I've always enjoyed the series and have played through every title (with the exception of Nemesis which I just couldn't get into). I also picked up Rogue Leader. At first, I hated Rogue Leader. I kept failing missions. Then I realized there were easier ways to complete the missions and suddenly the game got alot more fun. I realized I just wasn't going about the missions right. Now I really enjoy the game. Resident Evil is spectacular. Played through it with Jill and then finished up Code Veronica on the PS2. Now I'm going through as Chris. There was a while there while my Cube was not getting played that often. I rented Monkey Ball and liked it but I defintely don't think I'd want to buy it. So I had two cube games for a long time and my PS2 was getting more attention. With the release of ED, it's been the other way around. I've been playing ED and Rogue Leader alot lately along with some GTA3 on the PS2. The one thing that gets me is that the memory card 251 being released now rather than when I bought the system. I've only got saves from 4 games on my card and the thing only has 14 blocks free! Looks like I'll have to shell out another 20 bucks for the 251. With Metroid, RE 0, RE 4, Zelda and some other titles coming out, I'm glad I've got the cube. However, I'm glad I still have my PS2 as I really want to get GTA Vice City, The Getaway, and a few other PS2 exclusives. The N64 never really did it for me even in its prime but the Cube is already impressing me very early into its life.
On a side note, I thought I would really hate the cube controller(I was never a fan of the N64 conroller for the record). Now I really love it. I think I prefer it to the Dual Shock. It's definitely better than the XBox controller IMHO and a bit better than the S contoller. I thought the controller was going to be a big problem for me but I really like the way it feels.
KnightLerxst
06-30-02, 06:58 PM
Got mine on the launch day. Never dissapointed. I have Rogue, Resident Evil, Legends of Wrestling, Madden 2002, Agent Under Fire, Home Run King, and Wrestlemania. (I had Batman and NHL Hitz but I traded them for RE)
Fun system, good titles. Wrestlemania is actually one of the best American Wrestling games in awhile. Smackdown has become a sick button mashing bastard step child of Toukon Retsudan.
RE, was a blast and had me addicted for awhile.
Bond is a great shooter based on the Quake III engine and is more fun than Goldeneye in multiplayer.
It is a fun system with a bright future.
cartman
06-30-02, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Kellehair
Quality isn't a subject open to opinion.
That depends on your definition of quality. If your pure definition is "well made", then you could argue that no system in the history of video games was lacking "quality" titles (except maybe the Virtual Boy). In that case, the "fun factor" would only be a part of a whole grade. If a dev team spent 5 years making a beautiful game that simulated the mowing of a lawn perfectly, had advanced algorithms to make the grass sway and fly with such realism to make Hank Hill drool with envy, it would still have to be called quality. I consider "quality" titles to be ones I find fun to play, and as such, to me, the N64 and Gamecube (so far) are lacking quality titles (10 games for the N64 in it's lifetime, and three for the Gamecube so far). It is very much subject to opinion.
Josh H
06-30-02, 08:05 PM
Quality does mean well made games. If someone says "thats a quality car" they mean it's well made in every facet and works great.
If a game gets stellar reviews, accomplishes most everything it should for the type of game it is intended to be, then it is a qualit game, regardless of whether I or anyone personally finds it not fun to play.
Games you find fun to play are just that and nothing more. Same with ones you don't like. Going any further than that is putting too much stock in your own opinion.
Saying a game isn't a quality game just because you personally don't find it fun to play is a very elitist thing to do.
Like I said, I think Morrowind sucks. It's slow, boring and I hate open ended games.
However, it's gotten stellar reviews most places and many people love it. Why? Because it's a quality game. It does everything it should for the type of game it is, and is technically brilliant. It just isn't my cup of tea. I'm not egotisitcal or elitist enough to say it isn't a quality game, I just say that I don't like it.
The same can be said for whole genres. I absolutely hate RTS games. Does that mean none of them are quality games? No way. They just don't appeal to me.
Get the drift?
Cardiff Giant
06-30-02, 08:48 PM
Speaking of Agent Under Fire, I've got the PS2 version and I am considering selling it and picking up the Cube version. How are the controls on the cube version? I had no problems with the controls on the PS2 but many of my friend's hail from the Goldeneye school of shooters and couldn't adjust to any of the setups or the Dual Shock 2 at all. Also, I hear it doesn't work with third party controllers but what about extension cords? I've got first party controllers but I've also got an extension cord from Mad Catz and one from Interact. Will these not work with AUF? Thanks for any info.
KnightLerxst
06-30-02, 08:54 PM
The cool thing about the set up for Agent Under Fire for GC is the left analog is higher than the right. This just feels "right" in my opinion. The default setup is very similar to Goldeneye, with the left causing you to move forward, back, and turn, while the right is like the c buttons on the n64 pad, except it is a stick instead that causes you to look up, down, strafe.
enthused
06-30-02, 10:12 PM
i was never, ever disappointed. i knew what was coming.
you just have to be patient
and could somebody please point out to me some the amazing AAA titles that are apparently being constantly pumped out for PS2 and XBox?
I think nintendo is being held to a higher standard here.
Josh H
06-30-02, 10:33 PM
I agree. The X-box and Gamecube have pretty much the same amount of AAA quality titles, and both have more than the PS2 did at this point in it's lifespan.
Tamrok
06-30-02, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
If a game gets stellar reviews, accomplishes most everything it should for the type of game it is intended to be, then it is a qualit game, regardless of whether I or anyone personally finds it not fun to play.
Games you find fun to play are just that and nothing more. Same with ones you don't like. Going any further than that is putting too much stock in your own opinion.
Saying a game isn't a quality game just because you personally don't find it fun to play is a very elitist thing to do.
I'm sorry but I can't resist. Are you really trying to argue that whether a game qualifies as "quality" is not dependant on if it is fun? What's the point of games if not to provide fun? They certainly aren't very educational. On the one hand, you state that a game must be considered "quality" if it gets good reviews but then you turn around and say that one or even several persons opinions are not valid in deciding whether a game is "quality" or not. So, I must ask: What do you think a game review is? It's one person's opinion about the quality of a game. How is that any different? Game content is subjective and open to opinion. Rating game content is not a hard science. You cannot scientifically prove that there are many "quality" games on the Gamecube. It is only your opinion.
zig
06-30-02, 10:48 PM
Game reviews (at least good ones) aren't one person's opinion, they're an assessment of the said "quality" of the game. I dunno about you, but I can tell when a game is of good quality, yet still personally not find it fun.
Tamrok
06-30-02, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by enthused
i was never, ever disappointed. i knew what was coming.
you just have to be patient
and could somebody please point out to me some the amazing AAA titles that are apparently being constantly pumped out for PS2 and XBox?
I think nintendo is being held to a higher standard here.
I agree that anyone buying the Gamecube must be willing to be patient. I don't think anyone is saying that Xbox or PS2 has more AAA titles at the moment. The primary complaint against Nintendo is the overall lack of quantity of games available, not quality. You simply have more to choose from on the PS2 and to a lesser extent the Xbox. As of now, the Xbox has 30 more games available than the Gamecube and the PS2 has even more. They're certainly not all great or even good games but there are more choices available. Some people like having more variety and some don't. If you're one of the latter, then you probably won't mind owning the Gamecube.
Aghama
06-30-02, 10:56 PM
I'm disappointed that Walmart didn't put my apartment number on my packages when they sent me Eternal Darkness, so UPS wasn't able to deliver it. Nintendo will be getting a couple nasty letters over that.
Tamrok
06-30-02, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by zig
Game reviews (at least good ones) aren't one person's opinion, they're an assessment of the said "quality" of the game. I dunno about you, but I can tell when a game is of good quality, yet still personally not find it fun.
If by "quality" you mean that a given game is manufactured properly and is a "quality" game without physical defects then, yes, it is scientifically possible to assess a game's "quality". However, once you start talking about the content or artistry of a game it becomes your opinion. Whether you are a game reviewer or just somebody who likes to play video games, it is only your opinion. Gamers may have many similar interests and may even generally agree that in their opinion a game is good but that still is only a subjective opinion. It is not something that can quantifiably be measured. There isn't a single game (or movie, book, etc) whose artistic content can be conclusively labeled as "quality". It is only your opinion.
joltaddict
07-01-02, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
If someone says "thats a quality care" they mean it's well made in every facet and works great.
"Thats a quality care"? :confused:
Hanson
07-01-02, 10:47 AM
Totally disappointed. At least with the N64 I played the hell out of Mario 64, Wave Race, and Turok. With Gamecube, it's been 7 months and I haven't played the hell out of any game -- I finished Pikmin, but I haven't played it for more than 15 hours. And WR:BS has a tenth of the charm of the original.
I'll wait to see what ED has to offer, but in the meantime, I haven't really had much to rent much less buy.
Hanson
Groucho
07-01-02, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by joltaddict
"Thats a quality care"? :confused: Like "Baby Fish Mouth" is sweeping the nation. Whatsa matta, you no like-a quality care?
Liver&Onions
07-01-02, 11:23 AM
Not disappointed at all... instead of buying all the good games up front I staggered it... Like a just recently got monkey ball, and love it. And now I got ED and it is amazing.
I don;t have time to play 70 games, most of which don't appeal to me anyway...so I would rather have the 5 - 15 games that I love and will continue to play.
I wouldn't trade or sell my cube for anything (until Cube 2 comes out that is).
AgtFox
07-01-02, 11:36 AM
I was never disappointed because I knew what was coming for the GameCube. I own all 3 systems and recently all I have been playing is my GameCube.
Although Resident Evil was a big game, I have a problem with that they just made the graphics more pretty and did nothing from the control aspect of it. That is why I dislike RE games, they should build all of their games/engines off of the Devil May Cry foundation. Anyway, enough about that.
I would say that Eternal Darkness is the first must have for the system. Not everyone likes Super Smash Bros. Melee which would be the only other rival for ED at this point in my opinion. The only problem with ED is that all of the children under 17 cannot play it, but I do believe this game is a system seller for the returning Nintendo players of old.
Eternal Darkness is that damn good and has become the best game out this year so far and I've only played it a couple of hours. The future is bright for the GameCube with Mario, Metroid and Star Fox out before the end of the year. I dare say the GC will have the better year out of the 3 much like PS2 had last year.
Thrillhouse
07-01-02, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
I agree. The X-box and Gamecube have pretty much the same amount of AAA quality titles, and both have more than the PS2 did at this point in it's lifespan.
Yeah, and in my opinion your dead wrong. XBOX and GC, have bearly the amount of good titles I expected them to have.
zig
07-01-02, 01:15 PM
His point is the PS2 didn't have many good titles 6 months in either.
Josh H
07-01-02, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by joltaddict
"Thats a quality care"? :confused:
Typo, should have been "car" not "care."
Josh H
07-01-02, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Tamrok
I'm sorry but I can't resist. Are you really trying to argue that whether a game qualifies as "quality" is not dependant on if it is fun? What's the point of games if not to provide fun?
You're not getting my point. We're talking in the broadsense like "blank system doesn't have many quality games."
To see how many quality games a system has, you look at reviews, not just one persons opinion.
If a game gets mostly positive reviews, then it is a quality game. It's fun to play, and well-made or it wouldn't have gotten great reviews everywhere.
Does that mean it will be fun for everyone. No. Tastes differ.
But it should be considered a quality game in terms of adding up how many good games a system has.
For example. I don't say the X-box has very few quality games. I say "It has very few games that interest me."
Games like Morrowind, Jet Set Future, Rallisport Challenge are all quality games. They got good reviews and are good fun games for the types of games they are intended to be. They just don't interest me personally.
mrglass
07-01-02, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
If a game gets mostly positive reviews, then it is a quality game. It's fun to play, and well-made or it wouldn't have gotten great reviews everywhere.
But, isn't a review just someone's opinion? I don't care what other people say...if I think that a game plays poorly, I'm not going to say "even though this game stinks, it must be a quality game because everyone else seems to think so."
Mezzanine
07-01-02, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by mrglass
But, isn't a review just someone's opinion? I don't care what other people say...if I think that a game plays poorly, I'm not going to say "even though this game stinks, it must be a quality game because everyone else seems to think so."
I agree completely. I think it's silly for someone to say "It's a great game but I don't like it" or "This game sucks, but I love it!" A review is just one person's opinion. Sure, certain game elements (such as graphics) may be less subjective, but what really matters to me is whether or not the game is fun to play. I don't play games just to see great graphics and a shiny menu screen; if a game has those things, it's just icing on the cake. If I play a game and I don't have any fun with it, why should I still call it a great game just because 3 out of 4 reviewers recommend it? You might as well say "My girlfriend is hot but I'm not attracted to her." I don't always accept the majority opinion as fact, I make up my own mind. Quality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
zig
07-01-02, 07:51 PM
But the thing is, when you play a quality game, you don't have to have fun to know it's good. Like he said, maybe it just isn't your cup of tea, but you can see how it would be enjoyable to other people.
Wait a second.. this has to be one of the most retarded arguments I've ever been in.. *runs away*
Chris_D
07-01-02, 08:55 PM
So far I only have SMB which is awesome but I'm not that excited about any of the stuff in the pipeline (zelda would be the only one since that was an n64 fav). I play my PS2, Xbox and PC more.
Chris
joltaddict
07-01-02, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by zig
this has to be one of the most retarded arguments I've ever been in.. *runs away*
Run Forrest! RUN!!!
I do assure you I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to drill holes in their thick scalps in hopes that someday someone might skullf**k a hint into what passes for brains.
Josh H
07-01-02, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by zig
But the thing is, when you play a quality game, you don't have to have fun to know it's good. Like he said, maybe it just isn't your cup of tea, but you can see how it would be enjoyable to other people.
Exactly what I was trying to say.
I hate RTS games, but I can see why people like games like Star Craft. There well made, and accomplish what they set out to do.
That's why reviews matter more than random opinions. Professional reviewers judge games by comparing them to others in the genre, and on how well they accomplish all the things a game in that genre does.
A professional reviewer that hates RTS would still give Star Craft a high review because it is a quality game, and is as good as any game in that genre.
Some random gamer that hates RTS, like myself, will offer the opinion that "it sucks" more often than not.
I can say that games like Jet Set Future, Star Craft, DOA3, etc. are quality games, even though I don't personally enjoy them. I see there merits, and see why people would have fun with them. There is nothing inherently wrong with the games, they just don't appeal to me in general.
I'm not elitist enough to say "they suck" just because they don't interest me. Comments like that are reserved for the Britney's Dance Beat and Superman 64s of the world that are truly crappy games that pretty much no one is going to enjoy due to being poorly designed, ill-conceived games.
Thanks for the insult Joltaddict. You should save that crap for the other forum. -rolleyes-
Static Cling
07-01-02, 10:56 PM
Contrary to what Cordelia (who is not exactly known for being the brainiac of the Scoobies) says, tact is just being considerate. Let's leave insults out of this discussion, shall we?
Aghama
07-01-02, 11:16 PM
Could we just all agree that "a quality game" is a pointless phrase, and stop using it?
Josh H
07-01-02, 11:46 PM
I don't think quality game is a pointless phrase. It just really shouldn't be used in association with personal like and dislikes.
Number of "quality games" is important when discussion the console war.
For example, even though I'm not interested in the X-box's game lineup, I realize it has several "quality games" and hence will continue to sell well.
Some people just need to learn to express themselves better and say things that are better descriptors like "it doesn't interest me" or "it's not my cup of tea," rather than just saying "it sucks" for every game they don't find fun.
People should be able to see a game's positives even if they don't personally enjoy it.
As I said above, "it sucks" should be reserved for the truely awful games that appeal to nearly no one, and not tossed out at games one doesn't enjoy simply because they don't like the genre or style of the game. This is especially true when the said game is nearly a perfect game for it's genre.
joltaddict
07-02-02, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
Thanks for the insult Joltaddict.
Huh? I was agreeing with you. Zig implied it was retarded to discount reviews. It is. And you cant counter an arguement like Tamrok is putting forth. So why bother? Thats all I was trying to say.
There may very well be somebody out there that thinks Halo sucks and Superman64 was the greatest game ever but there is a reason why all reviews tend to bring up the same good points and bad points. To say its all a grey area and its only the opinions of others is, like Zig said. retarded.
Chris_D
07-02-02, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
A professional reviewer that hates RTS would still give Star Craft a high review because it is a quality game, and is as good as any game in that genre.
I think the key is that a reviewer who hates all RTS games wouldn't be allowed to review RTS games (also generally a reviewer who goes ape over every RTS game would be allowed either - this doesn't always happen though).
Chris
JTH182
07-02-02, 10:16 PM
Well, I am and I'm not... I'm upset Nintendo couldn't get a GTA game, that would have been huge. I have four games which I'm very happy with. I just don't play as much as when I was younger. The new Mario game doesn't excite me as much as Mario 64 did. I'm really looking forward to this winter... Three Star Wars games!!! Including the amazing Jedi Knight II. That should keep me busy for a long time. So all in all, if I had a GTA game, I would be the happiest person in the world. I still wouldn't have any other system.