You've probably gotten this before but I strongly object to the name Soup Nazi. Mind you, I find the person who writes under the name to be smart, informed, helpful, interesting, polite and a welcome contributor to the forum.
However, the name Soup Nazi has always been offensive to me. Yes, I know he's referring to a character from Seinfeld. And in the context of Seinfeld it's very, very funny. However, out of context and in it's various variations its hurtful.
In one thread Soup Nazi jokingly refered to himself as Sherlock Nazi. I know it's a variation on the original joke but it still keeps the Nazi motif.
I don't have to remind you what the Nazis did to millions of people. The use of Soup Nazi and it's variations in the context of a website like this is very unpleasant and offensive.
Josh H
06-10-02, 11:06 PM
-rolleyes-
That's the most ridiculous, load of PC crap I've ever heard.
Soup Nazi
06-11-02, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by joshhinkle
-rolleyes-
That's the most ridiculous, load of PC crap I've ever heard.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Kube, I'm sorry that my alias, if you will, is offensive to you. I thought long and hard about a user name that would appeal not only to the masses, but my personality as well. I thought if it was good enough for Hollywood, it would be good enough for a message board ...
Soup Nazi
06-11-02, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by Kube
Mind you, I find the person who writes under the name to be smart, informed, helpful, interesting, polite and a welcome contributor to the forum.
:blush:
Are you sure that you have the right person?
:p
ClarkKentKY
06-11-02, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Kube
However, out of context.....
While i respect your opinion, i disagree. I think the name is comical, and harbors no offensive undertones.
Its a catch-phrase, a character name, an icon of sorts... How can something that completely exsists in two words be taken out of context? ... I mean i can understand if his name was flat out "NAZI" ... That would be out of context and inappropriate. But "Soup Nazi" doesn't mean anything close to "nazi" ... two different ends of the spectrum if you ask me. Which you didn't. :)
shaun3000
06-11-02, 12:22 AM
In my oh-so-valid opinion, he's been here longer and has far more posts. Beings that he is by FAR the more active of the two members AND your reason for thinking it is offensive, Soup Nazi gets to keep his name.
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Blade
06-11-02, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by shaun3000
In my oh-so-valid opinion, he's been here longer and has far more posts. Beings that he is by FAR the more active of the two members AND your reason for thinking it is offensive, Soup Nazi gets to keep his name. If you're going to go into longevity arguments, I personally think it's more salient to point out that he's made over 14,000 posts and no one (that I can recall) has ever expressed a problem with his name before this.
And just to be clear, it is not, and never will be, an issue of who's been here longer.
ClarkKentKY
06-11-02, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Blade
And just to be clear, it is not, and never will be, an issue of who's been here longer.
Well, you've been here longer than any of us. So i guess you're right.
:)
Blade
06-11-02, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by ClarkKentKY
Well, you've been here longer than any of us. So i guess you're right.
:) I wish more members thought like you do. I'd have to type a lot less.
;)
X
06-11-02, 12:54 AM
I guess I have to chime in here too.
Say what you may about his name, but you are way out of line calling Soup Nazi "smart, informed, helpful, interesting, polite and a welcome contributor to the forum". :D
Blake
06-11-02, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by ClarkKentKY
Well, you've been here longer than any of us. So i guess you're right.
:) No - I'm right. I'm always right. My seniority reigns supreme!
Iron Chef
06-11-02, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Blake
No - I'm right. I'm always right. My senility reigns supreme!
:eek:
Bandoman
06-11-02, 08:31 AM
I've objected to his name for months, but only now have the courage to speak out about it. I don't like soup. I never eat it, and I find the texture to be displeasing. I'd prefer that he call himself Pizza Nazi, or Beer Nazi.
Seriously, though, I don't think there are many people on this forum who are not familiar, at least in passing, with the Seinfeld character after which Soup named himself. Since the context of his name is popular American culture, it is hard to take his name out of context. Couple that with the fact that he has never, in my experience, advocated any fascist principles and I can't see how his name would be inappropriate.
Aghama
06-11-02, 08:57 AM
You don't by any chance run a soup shop in NY?
GuessWho
06-11-02, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by ClarkKentKY
Well, you've been here longer than any of us. not all.... ;)
Rico Diablo
06-11-02, 09:50 AM
So I guess changing my name to Stew Stormtrooper is out.
Groucho
06-11-02, 09:56 AM
While we're here I would like to ban the username "Kube." It takes the word Cube, and replaces the first letter with K. "K Cubed" in other words "K^3" in other words "KKK". :eek: Offensive!
GeoffK
06-11-02, 10:38 AM
I appreciate the fact you've expressed your feelings over the name. The first time I saw it posted I had a simular reaction, but I think there's something to be said for not being too PC. The name is a character from a well known show and so while it wouldn't be my first choice, I do think it's within the bounds.
Deftones
06-11-02, 10:48 AM
I object to you people calling this guy smart! :p
G. Noel Gross
06-11-02, 12:01 PM
I say we get rid of all "handles" ... but then I guess that'd make me, um, a dirty, dirty nazi.
Adam Tyner
06-11-02, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by gkleinman
The name is a character from a well known show (which happens to be on DVD) and so while it wouldn't be my first choice, I do think it's within the bounds. <i>Seinfeld</i> is on DVD? Or are you referring to something else?
Heat
06-11-02, 12:44 PM
Here is some Seinfeld trivia (from imdb):
The "Soup Nazi" is based on the actual owner of a take-out soup business in Manhattan on W. 55th St, between Broadway and 8th Ave.
In the very first episode, the first conversation was between George and Jerry about a button. In the very last episode, when they were sitting in jail, the last conversation they had was the same thing about the button.
There is a Superman somewhere in every episode.
GeoffK
06-11-02, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by ctyner
<i>Seinfeld</i> is on DVD? Or are you referring to something else?
Oops. Brain fart. Wishful thinking
Soup Nazi
06-11-02, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Deftones17
I object to you people calling this guy smart! :p
$13,500.00 in scholarships. Must've been a glitch ...
:p
heimerSWT
06-11-02, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by Soup Nazi
$13,500.00 in scholarships. Must've been a glitch ...
:p Yes, I hear the Special Olympics is a very active scholarship fund. ;)
Sierra Disc
06-11-02, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Soup Nazi
I thought long and hard about a user name that would appeal not only to the masses, but my personality as well. I thought if it was good enough for Hollywood, it would be good enough for a message board ...
BANNED! NO POSTS FOR YOU!!!
:crap: ;)
das Monkey
06-11-02, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Kube
out of context ...
Then don't take it out of context. You, and only you, can define what offends you. If you take other people's completely harmless jokes and look to be offended by them, you're only going to hurt yourself.
In any case, the Third Reich and Nazi Germany were about more than simply hating Jews. To say otherwise is as bad an oversimplification as the recent mythology that the Confederate States were only about enslaving Blacks. The Civil War was not fought to free the slaves, and World War II was not fought to end persecution of the Jews. While horrible events, they are merely pieces to the overall picture.
My point? The Soup Nazi has nothing to do with Jews. It's a joke on the rigorous and unmatched system of order followed by members of the Nazi movement, even to a fault. It's only offensive if you choose to make it such, and while I respect your sensitivity to the tragic events surrounding the Nazi movement, I think it's unfair to expect the rest of us to find offense where none is intended.
das
Kube
06-11-02, 10:45 PM
Soup...I appreciate the fact that you replied to my comment in the spirit in which it was intended. And I do maintain, that I like reading your posts. In fact, you've been answered a number of my questions a number of times.
I respectfully maintain, that out of context, the name does cause me to kringe. I know from your posts that you're a person of intelligence and compassion (everyone jokes aside. (I would like to re-iterate that I don't think you use of the name in any manner condones this.)
However, the Nazis did kill millions of people of all kinds and I find it painful to be reminded of it everytime I read a post.
The Cow
06-11-02, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Kube
However, the Nazis did kill millions of people of all kinds and I find it painful to be reminded of it everytime I read a post.
And the "Soup Nazi" only denied soup... -rolleyes-
Aren't you getting a bit too much PC overboard on this one?
Kube
06-12-02, 12:02 AM
Cow...No, I don't think it's about what is PC. I stated that the Soup Nazi is very funny in the context of Seinfeld. However, out of context and in variations like "Sherlock Nazi" it's not funny.
das..The use of the name in this forum is by very definition out of context. And for the record, I never specificially mentioned Jews in the list of people that the Nazis killed. The Nazis killed many, many different groups.
das Monkey
06-12-02, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Kube
das..The use of the name in this forum is by very definition out of context. And for the record, I never specificially mentioned Jews in the list of people that the Nazis killed. The Nazis killed many, many different groups.
Apologies. You are correct - you most certainly did not. I disagree that the use of the name is out of context. The context is the Soup Nazi on <I>Seinfeld</I>.
Let's be careful, though. The Nazis are far from alone in the senseless murder department. I doubt any of the nations represented on this forum are above criticism for past wrongs against the innocent. If we hide from our history, not only will we have nothing left, we'll be doomed to repeat it.
Again, I sympathize with your feelings, but I think you're only hurting yourself to draw such negative emotion from such an innocent name. The Nazis, once they began blindly following insane leadership, did many horrible things to many people. The Soup Nazi, however, was just an a-hole to some New Yorkers who couldn't follow his rules. ;)
Originally posted by X
I guess I have to chime in here too.
Say what you may about his name, but you are way out of line calling Soup Nazi "smart, informed, helpful, interesting, polite and a welcome contributor to the forum". :D :lol: You know I had the same thought when reading his post.:D
Cool Kitten
06-12-02, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Kube
Mind you, I find the person who writes under the name to be smart, informed, helpful, interesting, polite and a welcome contributor to the forum.
is this a bad joke? :lol:
Originally posted by Kube
I don't have to remind you what the Nazis did to millions of people. The use of Soup Nazi and it's variations in the context of a website like this is very unpleasant and offensive.
you might not know it but me and Scott are good friends in real life and I'm Jewish :)
WhoGirl
06-12-02, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by D.Phamished
boy, i'm phamished...i want some soup :)
You ought to be punished for a comment like that.
**rimshot**
Bushdog
06-14-02, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Cool Kitten
. . .
you might not know it but me and Scott are good friends in real life and I'm Jewish :) I don't think he's suggesting Scott advocates Nazism. He went out of his way to laud Soupy (too far, if you ask me;)). The issue is that he feels the name is insensitive because it trivializes Nazism and does not afford it with the negativity he believesis appropriate.
And Scott's no anti-semite, period. But on the larger issue, I've seen my share of people who harbor anti-semetic feelings and have Jewish friends. -- "Some of my best friends are ______" is a common comment people use, often as a weak defense.
Jason
06-14-02, 03:03 PM
On another forum I read, a member registered the username "Jewkiller". This was about the same time the suicide bombings started in Israel. Needless to say, he didn't last very long.
I don't see anything wrong with the Soup Nazi handle. It's a very well known skit from a popular TV show.
waporvare
06-16-02, 01:17 AM
So by objecting to his name i would finally become politically correct? Ahhh screw it, why start now.
POWERBOMB
06-17-02, 02:17 AM
I am so blessed to have lived this long and never to have seen an episode of Seinfeld. Given that, his user name is his user name. If it was not his intention to be seen in any manner that was harmful, then he should keep it.
Gattman
06-17-02, 03:04 AM
Gee, i guess since Gatt is slang for Gun over there I must be into the whole gun culture thing *rolls eyes*
Blade
06-17-02, 08:31 PM
Seeing as how Geoff, the owner of the site, has put in his two cents, and there has been no other objections to his name, let's table this until such time that we're made aware that it's likely his user name could be misinterpreted.
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