Enterprise [SPOILERS]

[elektra]

So far, I like it. I love the comment about knocking the vulcan on her ass. That was killer.

When they lost power Glenn made the comment that their systems were done by Microsoft too! rotfl

[das Monkey]

Cons:

Opening music
Jolene Blalok hasn't captured what a Vulcan is yet. To be fair, no one really did other than Nimoy, so my expectations are high. It's just the first episode; I'm sure she'll grow into it.

Pros:

Everything else. I'm really liking it so far. Like LeVar said, "the fun is back in Trek."

das

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by elektra
So far, I like it. I love the comment about knocking the vulcan on her ass. That was killer.

When they lost power Glenn made the comment that their systems were done by Microsoft too! rotfl

See my little Wicccan! I told you to give it a chance ;)

Does anyone know if they'll repeat it on the weekend???

[das Monkey]

YES!!!! A vulcan and the pop up viewscreen. Beautiful :)

das

[junkie]

I love it, aside from the cheesy pop rock intro music. And this one has something the other four don't...Vulcan nipples!!!! YUM!

[Jason]

And now we know that the ears aren't the only pointy things on Vulcans -smile-

[elektra]

Robo - I did like it overall. I feel him getting left behind on the alien station to be bit contrived, but it was pretty good. I'll stick with it and unless they start doing the stupid stuff they did with Voyager, this could be good. Did you see it already? What did you think? Pro's? Con's?

das - your thoughts overall?

[Venusian]

Originally posted by elektra
When they lost power Glenn made the comment that their systems were done by Microsoft too! rotfl

didn't catch that

[junkie]

Originally posted by Jason
And now we know that the ears aren't the only pointy things on Vulcans -smile-

rotfl

[Venusian]

so the temporal cold war....

is this from TOS and TOS movies? klingons vs. humans?

[elektra]

Glenn also made the comment, Suliban - Taliban. I thought it coincidental. This show was filmed a few months ago, before everything happened.

[Venusian]

not only the suliban - taliban but also the leader they said, its wasn't Kabul but sounded a lot like it

[THX 1138]

A good season premiere. Looks like I will be watching this season. Archer doesnt look too bad. But damn in that first hour.......I thought Archer was going to rape the vulcan T'Pol on several occasions.

Speaking of T'Pol..... what the hell was up with that oil rub down? Reminded me of many softcore porns from the past. Well, I must say that shes got amazing breasts. Hopefully we'll see them more this season.

Seeing Deebo play a Klingon was pretty funny. Maybe we'll learn that he is the great great grandfather of Worf.

Nice cameo from Dr. Zefram Cochrane but they shouldve shown him more!!!!

And finally,
how many damn Buffy the Vampire Slayer commericals did UPN show? I LOST COUNT!!! Jesus Christ!!!! She Lives!!!!! We get the point!

[junkie]

They said that the Vulcan life span was 200 years, does that mean we are going to see the birth of Spock at some point? Isn't this supposed to take place a 150 years before Kirk?

[das Monkey]

Haha ... "AY! DEEBO! You got knock'd da f*** out"

It was also good to see Vaughn Armstrong as Admiral Forrest. One of many nice homages to the original.

Blalock got all the press, but I was quite impressed with Linda Park. I hope they develop her character more and don't forget about her in favor of the big breasts. Breasts ... breasts ... what was I talking about, again? Um ... nevermind

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by junkie
They said that the Vulcan life span was 200 years, does that mean we are going to see the birth of Spock at some point? Isn't this supposed to take place a 150 years before Kirk?

Spock's not born until 2230. The show would have to run a long time :) Maybe we'd see Sarek, but unlikely.

das

[Bandoman]

I really liked the breasts...er, show, I meant the show. I had already read the script so I knew what was going to happen, but they did it well. This has been set up the right way, and hopefully the writers will be allowed to be interesting.

BTW Venusion- the "outlaw" Suliban were the "Cabal", not "Kabul".

I wonder if the identity of the people from the future directing the Suliban will be revealed prior to the series' finale? Probably not.

[Venusian]

Originally posted by Bandoman

BTW Venusion- the "outlaw" Suliban were the "Cabal", not "Kabul".

I wonder if the identity of the people from the future directing the Suliban will be revealed prior to the series' finale? Probably not.

yeah, Cabal...close to Kabul, and Suliban-Taliban...eerie coincidencde?


i think the identity will be...my guess is that it is humans from the future during the whole klingon/federation war...it'll add an extra dimension of drama with the humans having to "fight" humans

[Alvis]

The oil rubdown scene was totally contrived. Those lines could have been delivered anywhere else on the ship. Also didn't care for the intro theme music, they need to get a nice symphonic piece with Alexander Courage's intro. Otherwise, I loved it. When Archer waves his hand in front of his face in the temporal chamber, that was priceless.

[strife]

Like it but I hope they get over Archer hates Vulcans got old real quick. Thou it did give him some good lines. What was the deal with the Phas pistol in the final battle? Same to admit it but I dozed off during the break down of UPN transmission.

[junkie]

Originally posted by das Monkey


Spock's not born until 2230. The show would have to run a long time :) Maybe we'd see Sarek, but unlikely.

das

Okay, so I am not really a sci-fi dork;). What is the time supposed to be for this series?

[JesseCuster]

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents. I liked it quite a bit. I thought there was a very nice intermingling of some of the clunkier aspects of the "later" TOS-era Federation and real-time technological advances that've been made since the first series ran in the late 60's. I wasn't looking forward to seeing the crew lugging around the tape recorders that stood in for tricorders on the first series. It's an ongoing aspect of production that I'm sure is going to be a little tricky.

I like the crew. It's nice to have a British actor among the regulars again, even if he's not the captain. As to the Vulcan, did she just enjoy the lotion scene or was it cold on the set that day...wow! I enjoyed the Melinda Clarke scene though I wish she hadn't been almost instantly killed off. She's a hottie. Was it just me or did I sense a John Wayne stylization to Scott Bakula's line delivery? He has the potential to be the best series captain since Patrick Stewart IMHO.

[Venusian]

there is a tension between Archer and Vulcans like the one between Kirk and Klingons after they killed his son...yeah it'll get old fast if they don't do it right.


I'm thinking something is gonna develop between the vulcan and the guy that rubbed her down in the lotion scene...just a little foreshadowing of sexual tension

[Jeraden]

Regarding the British engineer guy, in case nobody caught the show, he played the role of 'Malos' on the short-lived series 'The Immortal' (which actually wasn't really all that bad, but they only showed it here at 2:30am). Malos was the main evil guy and was on quite a lot, was an interesting character there.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by junkie


Okay, so I am not really a sci-fi dork;). What is the time supposed to be for this series?

8pm on Wednesdays?

Or 2151, 88 years after First Contact in 2063 and 10 years before UFP forms in 2161?

das

P.S. It's geek :)

[caipirina]

nipples ... wow !

and those dancer girls ? wow .. that on TV which is supposed to be kiddy stuff ... I was "impressed"

ok .. who of you creative fanboys is already working on T'Pol nude fake pics ??

:)

[Venusian]

the dancers reminded me of DS9...remember the early episodes had the waitresses with light bulb boobs?

[adamblast]

I hope they do better with the west coast transmission-- I'm supposed to be taping it for my UPN-less parents...

Giantrobo-- Your local mileage may vary, but my program guide shows a repeat showing on Sunday night at 8pm...

Logically, I think they have to keep FutureGuy as the mysterious Big-Bad for the life of the whole series... They can't wrap up that storyline. Since he's trying to change the past, he's the writers' way out of the "predictablility conuundrum"--where we know everything will be fine because we already know the future. They need FutureGuy around so that the Universe can still be endangered throughout the series...

Don't get me started about the oil rubdown... I guess retro-Trek should have its fair share of T&A--it helps put the fun in the show... But perhaps they can try not to be so ridiculous about it... :)

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by elektra
Robo - I did like it overall. I feel him getting left behind on the alien station to be bit contrived, but it was pretty good. I'll stick with it and unless they start doing the stupid stuff they did with Voyager, this could be good. Did you see it already? What did you think? Pro's? Con's?

das - your thoughts overall?

No I've not seen it yet because I'm at work. But also I'm not one who gets a worked up over spoilers so don't worry(no that you were ;) ) and I new from your title what I was getting into.

it's funny Elektra....you and I seem to have soooo much in common i.e. Comics, Star Trek, and other stuff.

I think that's cool and it's proof "We can all get along" rotfl

Peace mah sistah!!!!

[caipirina]

http://www.leh.net/~jolene/gma_l1.jpg

YUMMY !!!!!

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by adamblast
I hope they do better with the west coast transmission-- I'm supposed to be taping it for my UPN-less parents...

Giantrobo-- Your local mileage may vary, but my program guide shows a repeat showing on Sunday night at 8pm...

Logically, I think they have to keep FutureGuy as the mysterious Big-Bad for the life of the whole series... They can't wrap up that storyline. Since he's trying to change the past, he's the writers' way out of the "predictablility conuundrum"--where we know everything will be fine because we already know the future. They need FutureGuy around so that the Universe can still be endangered throughout the series...

Don't get me started about the oil rubdown... I guess retro-Trek should have its fair share of T&A--it helps put the fun in the show... But perhaps they can try not to be so ridiculous about it... :)


Thanks Adamblast!!! I figured they would.

Like I always said...you rule!!!

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by elektra
das - your thoughts overall?

Ack ... somehow I missed this post. Sorry ...

Overall, I quite enjoyed it. I'm very impressed with the way they handled the consoles. Everything looks very badass, but it's still in the spirit of pre-TOS. If you recall when I was posting about all the people working on the show speaking highly of it, one of their sources of praise was the attitude on the set and the chemistry between the actors. I could easily see this. Like I said, I'm not sold on T'Pol yet. I keep wondering how Marjorie would have played the role. Playing a Vulcan could be the most difficult thing in Trek, so I'm more than villing to give her time. But the rest of the cast has incredible chemistry already, and I'm anxious to learn about all their characters. As I said earlier, I think Sato has some real potential.

It's a little cheesy, but that's one of the things that was great about TOS. It's fly by the seat of your pants television. I'm glad to see that again. It's fresh. TNG was dramatic, DS9 was dark, VOY was pretentious. It's nice to get a change of pace. They need to lay off the soft porn though. Yes, Star Trek is notorious for hot chicks, but it needs to be understated. Beautiful women in strong intelligent roles, not beautiful women whoring it up all over the place.

If the song's not gone by Second Season, there will be a revolt, and there's nothing like angry Trekkies to ruin your day :)

So, overall, I give it an A-. It's incredibly difficult to do what they're attempting, so I can be forgiving of the little things. Longevity is another issue. But for their first go at this, they did an excellent job. Part of the charm of this series is the "newness" of space travel for these characters. They're not seasoned veterans ... they're in absolute awe of what they're doing. I really like that, and in the words of a great philospher, I'm stoked for the rest of the season.

das

[junkie]

Originally posted by das Monkey


8pm on Wednesdays?

P.S. It's geek :)


rotfl

[adamblast]

Damn-- the westcoast transmission is too poor to be worth taping also-- At least on KCOP-13 from LA... Extreme buzzing and audio problems throughout the first hour, so far...

[JesseCuster]

Originally posted by das Monkey




If the song's not gone by Second Season, there will be a revolt, and there's nothing like angry Trekkies to ruin your day :)



Gawd...ain't that the truth. I loved the visual part with the shots of Man's progession into space but Trek was never meant to have a Frank Stallone sounding theme song. Gave me chills and for all the wrong reasons. Axe the song but fast!

BTW, didn't the very first version of the TOS theme music have words that went with it?

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by JesseCuster
BTW, didn't the very first version of the TOS theme music have words that went with it?

That's a common misconception, mainly because it's true, but it's not. One of Gene's many faults was that he was a power/money-hungry bastard. He was a genius who loved people and had some great qualities, but he was also greedy.

He commissioned Alexander Courage to write the theme music and fully intended to use it in the show. Sometime along the way, he realized that he could get half the money if he licensed it with words, so he wrote some incredibly lame lyrics ... "Beyond the rim of the starlight ... etc" and credited himself alongside Courage. Of course, the lyrics were never actually used, because they were stupid, and it was just a ploy to get more money, so it's argued whether or not they are actually canon.

das

[minifigg]

OKAY,
NON Trek person here. I am actually here because my love is watching the show in the other room and I had to get away.
(Not Thread Crapping, cause I came in here with a question)...
Didn't one of those other "Trek" shows have a special where they came in contact with old clips from the "Kirk" era? Wasn't there some hokey explanation about how the Klingons looked different and everything was low tech and sh*tty???? Well, if this series takes place BEFORE Kirk and Co., how do they NOW explain the look of the klingons, non-tech stuff on the ship, etc.??? hmmmmm???
mini
PS: What the HELL is up with the bellybutton on the cover of Maxim?? -eek-
PPS: I agree about all the Buffy commercials. They also drove me away...

[strife]

they came in contact with old clips from the "Kirk" era? Wasn't there some hokey explanation about how the Klingons looked different and everything was low tech and sh*tty???? Well, if this series takes place BEFORE Kirk and Co., how do they NOW explain the look of the klingons, non-tech stuff on the ship, etc.??? hmmmmm???

Yes is was DS9 tribble & tribulations. Worf said they do not speak of it with outsiders. Nothing more was ever brought up.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by minifigg
OKAY,
NON Trek person here. I am actually here because my love is watching the show in the other room and I had to get away.
(Not Thread Crapping, cause I came in here with a question)...
Didn't one of those other "Trek" shows have a special where they came in contact with old clips from the "Kirk" era? Wasn't there some hokey explanation about how the Klingons looked different and everything was low tech and sh*tty???? Well, if this series takes place BEFORE Kirk and Co., how do they NOW explain the look of the klingons, non-tech stuff on the ship, etc.??? hmmmmm???
mini
PS: What the HELL is up with the bellybutton on the cover of Maxim?? -eek-
PPS: I agree about all the Buffy commercials. They also drove me away...

Hey, mini!

The episode you're talking about, I guess, is Deep Space Nine's Trials and Tribbleations where current Worf has ridges but Koloth and company from TOS era do not. His explanation is simply "we don't talk about it" and grunts. There is no canon explanation yet, but we may soon get one. Many people have adopted the theory that thos Klingons that Kirk and co. encountered were genetically altered to better infiltrate/influence/whatever other humanoid races. At that time, Klingons were heavily influenced by the Romulans, so there could be a story there. Ridges were always part of Roddenberry's vision of the Klingon, even at the beginning, but obviously it was cut due to them having a budget of $7.95 an episode.

The way they've handled the technology is quite good, I think. TOS is dials and tapes and switches. TNG is light panels and touchpads. This one is still old school but with a much more polished look about it. Braga has said that he's going to try to stick to as much continuity as possible, but he's not going to take it to far. So far, it seems like they've done a good job making the technology LOOK better for the viewer without throwing continuity out the window.

Hope that answers your questions.

das

[cartman]

Originally posted by Alvis
The oil rubdown scene was totally contrived. Those lines could have been delivered anywhere else on the ship. Also didn't care for the intro theme music, they need to get a nice symphonic piece with Alexander Courage's intro. Otherwise, I loved it.

Very much agree on all three counts. I could also do without the dog. I just picture Brannon and Rick saying "what can we add for some cute flair?" "how about a dog?" "GENIUS!" Bleck.

[ravan]

I liked it. Minor details annoying, but overall very good.

I even liked the change in theme music (yeah yeah let
the bashing begin..).. Another Courage/Willliamsish theme
was too predictable - took balls to use that song.

What song is it btw? artist?

[gcribbs]

Decent beginning to this show. I like the look of the new vulcan :D .

overall the show has a bunch of potential and it looks at least like they will be a bit less PC which is very needed.

You all saw some Buffy commercials ;)

[minifigg]

Originally posted by das Monkey

Hope that answers your questions.

das
Every one except what the HELL is up with that chick's belly button.
Eeeew.
;)
mini

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by minifigg

Every one except what the HELL is up with that chick's belly button.
Eeeew.
;)
mini

Ditto :)

das

[mikehunt]

excellent pilot
only thing I didn't like was the opening theme, I liked the opening visuals though.
he has his pet dog with him, cool
pointy nipples, cool except trek doesn't really need that stuff
use of ass, son of a bitch etc, cool fits with how humans are supposed to be in 2151, still a little rough
and kirk should have carried that double barreled plasma rifle when he fought klingons, it knocked that one on his ass

[adamblast]

Originally posted by ravan
I liked it. Minor details annoying, but overall very good.

I even liked the change in theme music (yeah yeah let
the bashing begin..).. Another Courage/Willliamsish theme
was too predictable - took balls to use that song.

What song is it btw? artist? It's "Faith of the Heart" by Rod Stewart, originally written for the--get this--Patch Adams soundtrack.

Star Trek's new theme music comes from Patch Adams?! NOW try to still admit you like it... :p :D

[mikehunt]

oh yeah, getting James Cromwell to reprise his role as Cochrane
:thumbsup:
plus Sikes from Alien Nation, who IIRC was also in a voyager episode

[necros]

I thought the show was really good. About the only problem I had was the opening music. They shoulda had it just be instrumental without the singing.. the music wasn't bad but the vocals just didn't seem right for this show. Hopefully it's just like buck rogers and only the opening show will have someone singing :)

I was never into star trek before really. I'd watch it sometimes if nothing else was on, but that's about it. I never followed the stories or anything really.. but I think I'll be checking this show out more. To me it's not star trek at all, it's just a new sci fi series. All the star trek episodes I've seen always just had a happy feel to em. Enterprise didn't seem like that at all to me. I kinda liked how they were all scared of the transporter thingy :)

[MrN]

Some of the things mentioned and my opinion....

Theme song - Jarring but we might get used to it.

T&A - Almost inevitable, thanks to the insane popularity of 7 of 9.

Technology - Decent. They've already got the transporter trick thing done. Hope they don't use it in every other episode. I loved the doctor being pretty much an alien quack. Also hope the Vulcan doesn't the 'magical knowledge' to get them out of every jam. But yeah, I like it that they're struggling with sensors, warp, have no shields, holodeck etc.

Cast - Good so far. Lets see how things develop. How long before the dog saves the day I wonder? Am I too cynical?

Bellybutton (outie) - yes some people have these. But the highbeams more than make up for it.

I give it a B/B+ but its way too early to judge the series of course.

[Venusian]

oh yeah, and how do they explain that we never see these aliens again? like the doctor or the chameleon folk

[Deftones]

great show. :) i absolutely love scott backula in this role. he's a badass. can't wait to see how this progresses!

[jingoro]

Did anyone notice that the Enterprise hit absolutely nothing when they were shooting at the Suilban?

[elektra]

I kinda of noticed it looked like they didn't even fire back. I'm going to rewatch this again or at least tape it.

At this time, I'm ambivalent to the theme song, but it's good to know that I guess right when I guess Rod Stewart as singing it. I do like the opening visuals. Different from the rest.

I read an interview with Braga in a magazine, and don't ask which one cause I don't remember. This was a while ago. They interviewed him and Ron Moore. Braga has a thing for, let's see... how to phrase this.... a certain part of the female anatomy. It's not the one you caught glimpses of last night. He admitted this, so we can expect more cheap and contrived T & A shots and whatever else he can get away with. Personally, it's not needed. Since when to Vulcan's where skin tight catsuits? Like they would really care to look sexy? Maybe once ever seven years, but not every day.

Scott did a great job and he's going to make that role interesting. His dislike of the Vulcans is natural, when his whole life he felt like they were hold back the potential of the human race. I like the fact that they almost appear to be the bad guys. Or at least not completely forthcoming.

Interesting start to our relations with the Klingons.

[Seeker]

As someone who missed the show, is it going to be reshown anytime soon????


augh.

[belboz]

I guess I'm one of the few who actually liked the Rod Stewart song for the opening credits. It signaled for me that they were willing to break from their usual style and take some risks. Unfortunately, this episode didn't go as far as I'd hoped, but overall it was still enjoyable.

I read the script when it was linked here a few weeks ago and thought it was pretty good for a pilot. I don't know if they're using the same production crew as from the previous series, but as I watched the show I was guessing that they did and kept thinking that they needed to fire them all and get some fresh blood in there. Especially the director.

One of the reasons why I think the later series have been declining in popularity is because they've been sticking with the same stylistic modes since TNG. It gets boring to see the same camera angles, same style of action sequences, and same art design. Sure, DS9 was supposed to be so much darker, but all they changed was the lighting. They went from high key to low key. Big deal.

I know that TV's a producer's medium, but Paramount and Berman (I guess) needs to find some directors with a more unique style and loosen the reigns. They don't need to chase the stylistic fad of the day, but I do wish they would establish a more unique identity for this show.

[Jason]

Originally posted by adamblast
It's "Faith of the Heart" by Rod Stewart, originally written for the--get this--Patch Adams soundtrack.

Star Trek's new theme music comes from Patch Adams?! NOW try to still admit you like it... :p :D

It's not even an original song? It's just lifted off another soundtrack? How cheesy! That's what a high school drama class does for their class video.

[dgmayor]

According to www.tvguide.com, it's being reshown (at least here) Sunday night at 8-10pm.

[Jadzia]

Ok, I'm surprised, didn't ANYONE else but me notice the BONER sported in the oil rub down scene?

Maybe you guys were all watching T'Pol's nipples or something. But it was so FUNNY.

I had just been thinking this scene was totally soft-core and there was a wide shot where they pan down and you could TOTALLY see the actor had a pup tent.

They cut away to her rubbing his thigh and in the next shot it was back down again.

I have a Replay TV and I kept running it back. I was literally rotfl

I always wondered if actors ever get aroused in hot scenes, and this one surely did...

[Zien]

I kinda liked the music, mainly because the montage of "space triumphs" going along with it is a great opening. I think that this just shows they're getting away from the tradition; I mean, the title doesn't even have Star Trek in it. Everything is an experiment for the cast & crew right now, so as the test new, non-traditional ideas, look for some to be cut down a bit (probably the nipples) and some to be used more (like the natural language and the dog).

I also liked that it was broadcast in widescreen. Hopefully they'll keep this up.

I think if they get really good at this series, they can do a movie tie-in after it ends where they can use the temporal war to bring back Kirk, Spock, Picard, and all the other "generations" of Star Trek people into one movie.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Seeker
As someone who missed the show, is it going to be reshown anytime soon????

augh.

There's some stuff on this in the My UPN Affiliate Sucks thread, but it's localized, so you'll need to start checking. www.TVGuide.com will probably have the right information for your area, but you can also check www.ParamountStations.com for your specific affiliate's schedule. Sunday at 8pm here in Atlanta.

das

[bfrank]

Originally posted by Jadzia
Ok, I'm surprised, didn't ANYONE else but me notice the BONER sported in the oil rub down scene?

Maybe you guys were all watching T'Pol's nipples or something. But it was so FUNNY.

I had just been thinking this scene was totally soft-core and there was a wide shot where they pan down and you could TOTALLY see the actor had a pup tent.

They cut away to her rubbing his thigh and in the next shot it was back down again.

I have a Replay TV and I kept running it back. I was literally rotfl

I always wondered if actors ever get aroused in hot scenes, and this one surely did...

We are men :lol:

Well I really like the breast Um, I mean, the show!

I did think it would be more low tech and also expected a slower start but in the end it fits perfect for me. I thought the interaction was to casual for a military situation but its early still. Also am I the only one that thought the enterprise looked to high tech. If you had not seen the original and then we asked to date the two ships I think many would say this one was more advanced.

Also only one transporter pad could make for some good plot twists. I also though if they have some problems with it to keep the tension about its use could be cool for plot twists.

This could be very good. We nned to give it some more time

I give it a B

Oh yes the music is wrong and I say its gone before this season is over!

[Patman]

Originally posted by mikehunt
oh yeah, getting James Cromwell to reprise his role as Cochrane
:thumbsup:


Wasn't that Citizen Cochrane? :)

[caipirina]

Originally posted by Jadzia
Ok, I'm surprised, didn't ANYONE else but me notice the BONER sported in the oil rub down scene?


I always wondered if actors ever get aroused in hot scenes, and this one surely did...

i saw that too .. but then later I was wondering if that was just a sock, to have something for the girls to look at ..

and as to Mss. Nipples ... hmm .. how long do we think it took to shot the scene ... and does your regular nipple errection stay that long ??? my guess: fake add ons (maybe even the whole upper software, unless the gravity is at 0.8 in that decon room)

same sock question about bakula in the blue ..

and then again ,, WHO CARES .. i am glad they show something that make it clear that they got the point that it is NOT a kiddie show !!!

[Filmmaker]

I thought it was fabulous! Much more inspired and better performed than VOYAGER, with the freshness and wonder of TOS mixed with the grittiness of DS9. This series has all the potential in the world, and the only thing that can kill it is mediocre writing (a la early VOYAGER). Here's my breakdown of likes and dislikes:

LIKES:
* STAR TREK IN WIDESCREEN!!! Need one say more? :D

* The STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE--like intro of the ENTERPRISE in drydock

* The characters seem really interesting and fresh. Good to see there are no Garrett "I can't act my way out of a paper bag even after seven damn years on this show" Wang's on this series. I was most intrigued by what looks to be a reinvention of the Spock/McCoy love/hate relationship in the form of T'Pal (sp?) and the engineer, made unique by the injection of possible sexual chemistry.

* The look to the ship is sweet, especially the interior. The exterior is quite lovely, but it still bothers my that it's look has more in common with the ENTERPRISE-E than with Kirk's ship. The interior has a great, low-tech but still very advanced look, and the dark, cramped, submarine-quality appearance to the ship is great.

* The ENTERPRISE has a mascot! Fabulous touch! Keep that dog!!!

* Hand-held flip communicators are back!!! Woo-hoo! Love it! I'm not even bothered by the fact that the ones in TOS and the original crew movies are bigger, because that just implies they have a more powerful range.

* Polarizing the hull! Grapplers! Cool! Low-tech again--we haven't approached shields and tractor beams yet...

* The color scheme denoting rank is already here, but gold has returned to denoting command--it's the little touches... :)

* The continuity with TOS seems pretty stable so far. Remember, whatever the Klingon council member said to Archer, the comm officer said "You don't want to know"--sounded like things will go south pretty quickly from here. The "blow out" we've heard referred to probably refers to the first official contact government to government, which we've still yet to see. The 2151/2161 "when Starfleet was founded" issue is somewhat troublesome (I read about it in the STAR TREK Chronology), but has that date of 2161 ever been verbally or visually stated on any of the actual TNG, DS9, or VOYAGER episodes?

* The hooded console viewer that Spock always used is back! C'mon, now how cool was that?

* The earpiece for the communications officer is back! C'mon, now how cool was that, part 2?

* Environmental jackets, a la "The Cage", are back! C'mon, now how cool was that, part 3?

* The interior of the shuttlecraft harkens back to the interior of the TOS shuttles perfectly. I just love how nicely this show seems to be capturing that "the more things change, the more they stay the same" mentality, can't you tell?

* The occasionally retro look was wild--officers wearing ties??? Manual push and pull doors??? Man, who ever thought we'd have TREK like this? Just these little touches have gone a long ways towards giving TREK an much-needed injection of freshness and vitality.

* The palpable tension between the Vulcans and the humans was one of ENTERPRISE's most welcome touches. If the writers are smart, they'll jump on this subtext and ride it for all it's worth. As viewers, we stand to learn more about the value of IDIC from this show than any other.

* The episode opened in and was named after Broken Bow, Oklahoma! I'm no great lover of my home state, as many of you are well aware, but it's still somehow cool to see Oklahoma become a vital piece of TREK lore, even if the town in question is at the complete other end of the state from where I live.

DISLIKES:

* I hate, hate, hate that sorry excuse for a theme song. For me, this represented ENTERPRISE's only true dropped ball. The visuals of the opening credits are nice, and much more effectively capture the message behind the song's overwrought lyrics. The tune must go--I eagerly await a Jerry Goldsmith theme, full of grandeur and adventure. As is, the theme song sounds cheap and very un-TREK.

* As cool as the production design is, it is still a little too advanced vis-a-vis TOS for my tastes. A little less texture to the outer hull, and a more restrained use of these plasma screens would go a long ways towards making TOS appear not so incongruous with all the other TREK productions.

* BIG COMPLAINT! The scene in the decontamination chamber was sh*t--a real low moment for TREK! Don't get me wrong--the dialogue was dead-on, and I'm really intrigued by the potentials in the relationship between T'Pal and the engineer, but what was with the faux-BAYWATCH camera work? If the idea was to show an undercurrent of sexual tension between the two officers, it failed miserably. There was nothing in the actors' performances that supported what the camera seemed to be implying. If there is to be sexual tension, I certainly don't mind. Let's not kid ourselves--TREK has been full of such throughout its history, and TOS in particular was often shockingly racy when considered Bill Theiss' costume design for any and all women. But even then, TREK usually was able to handle its titillation with a good deal more grace than this shameless pandering to "The Man Show" crowd. It was as though the producers inserted it to say, "for those of you who can't follow the dialogue, or are bored by it, here's some T&A for you to focus on until we get back to the boom and bang". I'm convinced that, no matter how humanity may grow beyond the need for war and racism in the future, men will still be childishly warm for the female form well into the 25th century and beyond, but could the makers of ENTERPRISE have been any more lowbrow and irrelevant in their initiation of sexual tension?

* The layout of the bridge is much too derivative of the DEFIANT. I wish the layout was a little more unique (though I admit, it's probably getting a little difficult to rethink the ovoid bridge concept in a fresh way for the umpteenth time)

* I don't really dislike the fact that swearing is now an element in TREK (God knows I swear like a sailor when I get going), but was anyone else amused at how obvious the writers were in showing an almost prepubescent joy in finally being able to write cuss words in their STAR TREK script? It just seemed like every time a character swore, you could just hear the writers exercising their atrophied "edgy" muscles.

* Continuity flaw--in "The Cage", the crew used laser pistols, which were upgraded to phasers 11 years later for "Where No Man Has Gone Before"; however, here we have the introduction of "phase pistols" 90 years before "The Cage". There better not be many of these moments ahead--I'll be keeping a particular eye out for the whole "lithium which later upgraded to dilithium" issue.

* What's with the comm officer's cryptic statement "You don't want to know..." at the end?! Are we supposed to swallow that for an answer? More importantly, are we supposed to believe Archer would swallow that for an answer?!

FINAL QUESTIONS:

* Though it embarrasses me to admit it, I didn't follow the meaning when Ensign Travis Meriwether (heh, my name is Travis! How could this TREK be anything less than cool? ;) ) was oft referred to as a "Boomer". What is a Boomer? Oklahomans are often referred to as Boomer Sooners, but I highly doubt this was the meaning behind this reference.

* Did anyone else notice the irony of The Artist Formerly Known as Sam Beckett professing "you've lost me" when the subject of temporal mechanics was brought up? LOL! :D

* Did anyone else have trouble following names of crew members on this show? I got Captain Jonathan Archer, Ensign Travis Meriwhether, Sub Commander T'Pal, and Dr. Flox, but the British guy's and Asian woman's names never stuck, and I'm sure I heard the engineer referred to by no less than three different names!!! Am I going bonkers here? I never had this trouble after the premieres of the other TREKs.

* Did they ever mention the species of the doctor? Wonder why we've never seen his race again (though they seem to share a great deal in common with the Talaxians of VOYAGER)?

* Another point that I became cloudy on--who exactly are the Suliban? I thought they were the scaly-looking shapeshifters, but then the one that kissed Archer said something about having once been a member of the Kali (or something that began with a "K"). So is the shady figure from the future a member of the Suliban? The fact that I had a bad headache didn't help my comprehension skills last night, but it irritates me that, as someone who has to constantly explain what STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE was about to people, I had trouble following some of these story points.

Whew...well that's all I can remember for now but, in closing, I'll just reiterate that this show was fun and fresh, two qualities that have become strained as of late in TREK, and I think of all the shows that have been released since Gene Roddenberry's death, this is the one he would have been most inspired by and supportive of. I eagerly await the redemption of Rick Berman and his posse, and the resurrection of top-of-the-line TREK! :)

[Filmjester]

I hated it. The first hour was okay, not horrible, but not bad either. But once the bad writing kicked in I started to hate it. Im sure the writers were thinking,

"Our ideas won't sell, so lets have a scene with a girl in a shower. It won't make any sense, but we don't have any talent
anyways."

Or maybe thats what I was thinking.

Cons:
Typical Vulcan, does something human and cares for humans.
Vulcan shower scene, Im not 13 and it was incredably stupid.
Intro. The theme song should have been classical music over a shot of space, and then a shot of the enterprise. Not hard.


Pros:
It won't last long.
Makes Voyger look appealing.
Gene Roddenbarys(NOT SPELLED RIGHT) wife had nothing to do with it.
Its on UPN.
Just it being on UPN cheapens it and makes it horribly stupid. No movies coming out this life time :D

[Bandoman]

Go here (http://www.brunching.com/features/enterpriseslash.html) for a funny (mature) satire of this show.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Filmmaker
* Polarizing the hull! Grapplers! Cool! Low-tech again--we haven't approached shields and tractor beams yet...

* The continuity with TOS seems pretty stable so far. Remember, whatever the Klingon council member said to Archer, the comm officer said "You don't want to know"--sounded like things will go south pretty quickly from here. The "blow out" we've heard referred to probably refers to the first official contact government to government, which we've still yet to see. The 2151/2161 "when Starfleet was founded" issue is somewhat troublesome (I read about it in the STAR TREK Chronology), but has that date of 2161 ever been verbally or visually stated on any of the actual TNG, DS9, or VOYAGER episodes?


It will take me an hour to read the rest of this post, so I'll stop now and reply to part 1 :) :) I loved the grapplers ... very very cool.

As for 2161, that's when the articles of the Federation were ratified, thus beginning the UFP and consequently StarFleet as we know it. This is confirmed in "Outcast" when Troi wants to play Federation Day, where Aces, Dueces, and Sixes are wild. Note that Worf wasn't too keen on a "woman's game" with all those wildcards. Until Enterprise, there was some contention that the foundation of the UFP began around 2127 and wasn't finally commissioned until 2161 because of the Earth-Romulan war, but most of this is speculation. 2161 is on the seal at StarFleet Academy, and it's been mentioned in an episode (and obviously many books), so it's pretty much canon now. It makes sense to start this show at 2151 so we can build to the forming of the UFP ... it would be in perfect timing for their first feature after a seven year run.

das

[milkdog]

I was disappointed in the 1st episode, and I probably won't watch the series much. I really wanted it to be a series about our 1st exploration of space, where everything is new. They check out our universe, they go outside our universe, they meet aliens for the 1st time, they make mistakes and figure out rules for space exploration. But...it didn't have any of that.

[Patman]

Doesn't T'Pol remind you of Hillary Swank (of Boys Don't Cry)?

[Jadzia]

When Bakula showed up in the transporter atthe end, I couldn't help but think of Quantum Leap (what was that called, the Leap chamber?)

That would be funny if Al showed up to tell him what to do :lol:

[adamblast]

Can't say I'm wild about the beagle. "Sorry, Captain, no warp drive. Looks like Sparky's been chewing on the crystals again..." It really strains credibility to think they'd let a dog loose on the very first starship...

And of all the dog breeds, a beagle is one of the very worst they could have chosen. That would be one seriously unhappy dog, whining and yelping in the captain's quarters all day...

(They need TONS of space and lots of excercise, and are poorly suited to being left alone. They're also pack dogs, and should usually be purchased in multiples...)

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Jadzia
When Bakula showed up in the transporter atthe end, I couldn't help but think of Quantum Leap (what was that called, the Leap chamber?)

That would be funny if Al showed up to tell him what to do :lol:

You have the Quantum Accelerator that Sam went through, and you have the Imaging Chamber where Al hung out.

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by milkdog
I was disappointed in the 1st episode, and I probably won't watch the series much. I really wanted it to be a series about our 1st exploration of space, where everything is new. They check out our universe, they go outside our universe, they meet aliens for the 1st time, they make mistakes and figure out rules for space exploration. But...it didn't have any of that.

You mean solar system :)

das

[junkie]

Did anyone else think that Trip looked like a wannabe Tommy Lee Jones?

[ratguy]

Originally posted by Patman
Doesn't T'Pol remind you of Hillary Swank (of Boys Don't Cry)?

Yeah, a little bit. Only much, much hotter. mmmmmmm.

Anyone else think we should give her the nickname 'Ni'Pol'?

Ratguy

[adamblast]

SPECULATION/PREDICTION:

How many of you think that the Vulcan Ambassador (Sikes from Alien Nation) will turn out to be a Romulan spy in disguise??

I just saw this on the TiVo board, and it makes total sense to me.

1) They made a point of commenting that he'd shown a surprising amount of emotion/anger -- in his only key scene

2) He mistakenly says "Warbirds" instead of "Birds of Prey" to describe the Klingon ships. A warbird is the Romulan ship of the exact same design. Trivial detail? Not so trivial that millions of hardcore Trek fans won't notice...

For continuity's sake, humans CAN'T find out about the Romulans/Vulcan connection during this series-- they didn't find out about them until Kirk's era.

But I think it WILL turn out that Romulan spies have seriously infiltrated (and compromised) the whole Earth/Vulcan relationship... And the Vulcans will hide it from the Humans and try to deal with it internally...

[mikehunt]

maybe the klingons wipe out the chameleons. maybe the dr is from a minor member of the federation. Andorians weren't seen much and they were a founding member of the federation IIRC

Originally posted by Venusian
oh yeah, and how do they explain that we never see these aliens again? like the doctor or the chameleon folk

[Filmmaker]

Originally posted by das Monkey:
As for 2161, that's when the articles of the Federation were ratified, thus beginning the UFP and consequently StarFleet as we know it. 2161 is on the seal at StarFleet Academy, and it's been mentioned in an episode (and obviously many books), so it's pretty much canon now. It makes sense to start this show at 2151 so we can build to the forming of the UFP ... it would be in perfect timing for their first feature after a seven year run.

The beginning of the United Federation of Planets, yes, but is it clarified in any episode that Starfleet was created after that event, rather than before, as ENTERPRISE states?

This is confirmed in "Outcast" when Troi wants to play Federation Day, where Aces, Dueces, and Sixes are wild. Note that Worf wasn't too keen on a "woman's game" with all those wildcards.

Again (since I can't run to my old off-the-air VHS recording), does this episode just confirm the 2161 UFP origination date or does it also clearly state that Starfleet was not created until 2161+?

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by adamblast
SPECULATION/PREDICTION:
...


I just got done telling a friend that the Vulcans acted more like Romulans in the pilot. Hmmm ...

das

[G. Noel Gross]

Surely they must have "focus grouped" this pilot to death ... how could that theme EVER had made it through that? I'm a guy who watched the reruns of the original series as a kiddo. Was with the Next Generation all the way through. Bailed out on Deep Space Nice (although I watched most of the last season when they were blowing up stuff). Also bailed on Voyager UNTIL the tasty Jeri Ryan came on board and made my pants go crazy. That series was really hit and miss in extremes. Really good, or really terrible episodes.

I think the debut of Enterprise shows a lot of potential. Can't wait for next week's episode. Oh, and they showed that scary navel on the show, but we were all hypnotized by the nipplage.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Filmmaker
Originally posted by das Monkey:
Again (since I can't run to my old off-the-air VHS recording), does this episode just confirm the 2161 UFP origination date or does it also clearly state that Starfleet was not created until 2161+?

I can't run to my collection either, but I recall it being a VERY brief mention, simply getting the date 2161 out there as the founding of the UFP. Combine that with 2161 on the plaque at StarFleet Academy. I recall the pre UFP StarFleet being called the United Earth Space Navy or something like that, but it's a little hard to keep track of it all. I'm willing to cut them a little slack.

das

[Iron_Giant]

Great 1st show. Much better than "Far Point".

Technology was advanced, but still in the "I hope this works stage".

Humor was well written. Everyone seemed to have their moments of well placed lines. Like when the communication woman told the Klingon to shut up.

Characters were somewhat the same and somewhat different. The doctor seemed to played by the actor who played the taylor on Deep Space Nine. I thought the Vulcan played her role with lots of emotion: anger, bitterness, frustration and distain. I loved captain archer. He was "like" a captain Kirk without the rules and years of training that would have come with Star Fleet. The Communcations officer won my heart over when she told the Klingon to shut up and when she tried to translate what the Klingons were saying through out the show. The rest of the characters had some development, but seemed a little dry.

Part of the plot that was left hanging will make for great future shows. My prediction on who the person from the future will be a Romulan. Romulans are always doing things behind the scenes. They are related to both Klingons and Vulcans. They have the "Stealth/Cloaking" device that could have been gived the "mustard" skin aliens which they used to board the Enterprise. And the person that was giving the orders from the future had a short hair and a high collar like the Romulans(I could not tell what kind of ears they have).

I hated the shower sceen. It did not belong in Star Trek. I can't let my boy watch this show with me.

Overall the series looks promising, fun and full of mystery.

[JANK]

Well I don't want to repeat to much - just want to affirm with my opinion on this great pilot.

Bakula!!! Oh he could be as good as Kirk. I mean it. I was very impressed on how they have made his character and how Scott play him. The telling scene was when he first sees the Kilingon on life support and take charge of the whole situation. A strong captain will carry the series - all the rest, inc. nipples and bellybuttons is incidental.

Grapplers and all the lo-tech: nicely done - felt like the ship was not quite baked yet and that gives a welcome edge to it all.

Characters: great ensemble cast and the female T'Pal Vulcan is a nice touch - much much different from the Kirstyn Alley version in ST2&3.

T'PAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE HAS NOTED/MENTIONED THAT THIS IS THE SAME T'PAL AS IN THE KIRK ERA "AMOK TIME"!!! Remember Kirk & McCoys disbelief that she was presiding over the ceremony and remarked how unbelievable OLD she was. Yep I am sure she is that T'Pal. WHAT A GREAT GREAT TIE-IN!!!

[mikehunt]

In TOS I'm pretty sure the Romulan ships were Birds of Prey
the klingons had D7 Battlecruisers

Originally posted by adamblast
SPECULATION/PREDICTION:

How many of you think that the Vulcan Ambassador (Sikes from Alien Nation) will turn out to be a Romulan spy in disguise??

I just saw this on the TiVo board, and it makes total sense to me.

1) They made a point of commenting that he'd shown a surprising amount of emotion/anger -- in his only key scene

2) He mistakenly says "Warbirds" instead of "Birds of Prey" to describe the Klingon ships. A warbird is the Romulan ship of the exact same design. Trivial detail? Not so trivial that millions of hardcore Trek fans won't notice...

For continuity's sake, humans CAN'T find out about the Romulans/Vulcan connection during this series-- they didn't find out about them until Kirk's era.

But I think it WILL turn out that Romulan spies have seriously infiltrated (and compromised) the whole Earth/Vulcan relationship... And the Vulcans will hide it from the Humans and try to deal with it internally...

[JANK]

Oh oH! I swear, damm I know that the doctor is played by the same guy in the Cellular One adds and keeps asking about the "FEEEEATURES" (features)


yep

[mikehunt]

I've been thinking about the shower scene. TOS showed a lot of skin too

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by JANK
Characters: great ensemble cast and the female T'Pal Vulcan is a nice touch - much much different from the Kirstyn Alley version in ST2&3.

Normally, I wouldn't quibble over silly details, but Robin Curtis is such a fine actress and a wonderful person that she deserves notice. Kirstie Alley, the big drawback of Wrath of Khan, was only in that one film. Robin Curtis was Saavik in 3 and 4.


T'PAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE HAS NOTED/MENTIONED THAT THIS IS THE SAME T'PAL AS IN THE KIRK ERA "AMOK TIME"!!! Remember Kirk & McCoys disbelief that she was presiding over the ceremony and remarked how unbelievable OLD she was. Yep I am sure she is that T'Pal. WHAT A GREAT GREAT TIE-IN!!!

This is T'Pol ... Amok Time was T'Pau (and T'Pring). Originally, Blalock's character was going to be named T'Pal, but they intentionally renamed her to avoid confusion.

das

[Filmmaker]

JANK, you're right, although in my area (Oklahoma) he does commercials for the company I presently work for, U.S. Cellular--funny commercials, but STAR TREK is the gig-of-gigs...

[JANK]

Yeah I got corrected by a guy at work on the T'pal/T'Pau/(who was T'Pring? - I forget) angle that I was -wrong- on. Damm, that would have worked too. Lots of discussion here on this and that that this thread is on. It is showing again here in the Midwest USA Sat night - I may watch it again. See what FEEEatures I missed the 1st time. lol

[das Monkey]

Geek alert:

Since it's being discussed, the whole Bird of Prey/Warbird Romulan/Klingon thing is one big clusterf*ck.

Technically, the "Bird of Prey" design is a Klingon ship, like we see in the K't'inga Class ships, but we all know that the ship in "Balance of Terror" is called "Bird of Prey" also, even though it's another design entirely. When the Romulans and Klingons hook up (2268 or something ... it's a few years after "Balance of Terror"), they exchange technology. The Klingons share the "Bird of Prey" design and the Romulans share cloaking technology. Over time, the Romulans adapt the "Bird of Prey" to get a lower section as well and form the "Warbird", example the D'deridex (sp?) ships from TNG.

In any case, there's no way that the term "Warbird" used in 2151 should relate to the same "Warbird" from TNG, since it's based on technology they get in 2268. Yet, it's never made sense why the Romulans had a ship called the "Bird of Prey" before they hooked up with the Klingons either, so who knows?

Like I said, one big clusterf*ck.

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by JANK
Yeah I got corrected by a guy at work on the T'pal/T'Pau/(who was T'Pring? - I forget) angle that I was -wrong- on. Damm, that would have worked too. Lots of discussion here on this and that that this thread is on. It is showing again here in the Midwest USA Sat night - I may watch it again. See what FEEEatures I missed the 1st time. lol

T'Pring's the ho that he's supposed to hook up with.

das

[Lou Pole]

I liked it.

I liked Bakula as Archer. His attitute is perfect.

I like the Vulcan.. -other-, but she was too emotional. Seemed to show a lot of frustration and general b!tchiness.

I esp liked Cromwells cameo and his speech. "boldly go where no man has gone before..." " ...seek out new life...etc". An homage to the original. I liked it.

Theme song was ok, but the visuals were great.

Overall a :thumbsup:

[JesseCuster]

Originally posted by das Monkey
Geek alert:

Since it's being discussed. The whole Bird of Prey/Warbird Romulan/Klingon this is one big clusterf*ck.




I know they won't entirely because every hardcore Trekkie on the planet would start foaming at the mouth but they really should ditch a good chunk of the pre-ST: TMP continuity. I don't mean big stuff like who commanded what ship and who was where when and things like that that aren't too tough to explain. It's stuff like the Klingons suddenly cruising around in Romulan Birds of Prey and vice versa and the non-ridged Klingons. I mean, those things weren't done with a purpose...they were done because there wasn't enough money in the budget at the time or someone had misplaced the Klingon/Romulan ship effects shots or something. I've actually seen people try to come up with plausible explanations for the blank viewscreen in The Enemy Within episode and other obvious snafus in production. :)

[Filmmaker]

In defense of T'Pol's overt emotionalism, allow me to remind everyone that she appears to be a very young Vulcan (I seem to remember Archer saying something like "if you were alive 30 years ago" to her). It has been stated multiple times in TREK lore that the drive to submerge all outward displays of emotion takes quite awhile for the average Vulcan to perfect, with only a choice few reaching the "nirvana" of total emotional disconnection afforded through the practive of Kohlinar. Just like the smiling Spock in the early TOS episodes, she's trying hard. Hopefully, with time, she'll get there (though constant contact with humans may place her at a further disadvantage).

[JANK]

I'll agree with her age being a factor as to not her controlling emotions but I was under the impression that 'true' Vulcans ala Tuvok from VOY (Spock was half-human remember hence his smilin' outburtst) no matter which age, showed NO emotion. I don't quite get the emotion in T'Pal right now.... It shouldn't be there.

[Kudama]

Originally posted by JANK
A strong captain will carry the series - all the rest, inc. nipples and bellybuttons is incidental.

rotfl Don’t make me crack up at work!!!

I hate to put more stress on the bandwagon’s suspension, but…that theme! I thought for a few moments that I was on the wrong channel and had tuned into the show about the physically and mentally disadvantaged individual coming to grips with life in the big city (perhaps a law firm) and conquers adversity to warm everyone’s hearts and put a triumphant tear in our eyes.
I thought, “When did PAX start broadcasting on this channel?”
Then I saw the spaceships and knew some exec had F*CKED UP!
It took about 15 minutes of a show I was really enjoying to make me forget about that opening. Even without the lyrics, that music HAS to go. 2151, 2161, who knows. This theme sets it in 1983 as far as I’m concerned!

[Slumbering Fist]

Forgive me if I repeat anything already talked to death, I dont have time to read everyones post but want to say what I thought.

The Good- Pretty solid writing, could've used a slight rewrite to punch up the humor (though I did giggle) and Vulcan-Archer conflict...LOVE the British weapons guy, good character, good acting, spoke technobabble convincingly, look forward to him...Bacula was easygoing and seems to have the goods... Good makeup on the bad guys... I liked that the show was oriented towards getting them going, rahter than a lot of character backstory (although I dont know their names other than T'Pol and Archer)... Oh, clumsy earthlings in space! Best moment was the freaking out over the bug on the alien planet- hilarious...CRUDE, thank God, no technology to save you (well, okay there was a little), Treks been needing to ditch that crutch for a long time... It was far better than I thought it would be, a nice start.

The Bad- The ship is far too cold and deviod of character. I know this is somewhat intentional, to make it crude, cramped, and ill-suited for long term space travel, but if we are to follow this ship for seven yrs, it needs some personailty beyond being uncomforatable... The decontamination rub down was stupid/obvious titilation. Plus, to be logical about it, they didnt oil their genitals of buttcracks, so God only knows whats festering in there!... Didnt like the engineer/Archers bud/hick guy. He seems to be the Chekov, Troi, Bashir, Kim of the bunch (though that title will most likely go to the black guy or Asain chick)... Ditch the theme song and intro... The time travel element to the bad guys is scary. Trek + Time Travel is a formula for disaster 85% of the time.

Now, lets see if the show can have some legs.



***SPOILER? My prediction for who are the bad guys from the future. Well, as I was looking at their shadowy/blurry form, I swear I had the feeling they were Vulcan/Romulan, and I swear I spotted pointed ears.***

[elektra]

Filmmaker - good to see you about and in one of my threads!

bfrank - TAG!

Easily they could have lost the shower scene, but that's Braga for you. [yawn] I hope there won't be a lot of these or it's going to get old fast. HOWEVER, no matter how bad this show may get, I doubt it can EVER make Voyager look good.

Also, for those of you who are unaware, Savik (sp?) was half Romulan. She should have had more emotion. Robin Curits was directed to play her more Vulcan and that woman got Vulcan down to a science.

I like the fact that the dog is there, and I've always loved beagles. I grew up with them.

Most of this is going to depend on the writing and the ability to develop the characters.

[Filmmaker]

Originally posted by JANK:
I was under the impression that 'true' Vulcans ala Tuvok from VOY (Spock was half-human remember hence his smilin' outburtst) no matter which age, showed NO emotion. I don't quite get the emotion in T'Pal right now.... It shouldn't be there.

That's not been my understanding (from what I've seen, read and explored, Vulcans have to continually work at supressing their emotion until it becomes second nature after two or three decades) but we can easily agree to disagree. One more thing in my defense though--Tuvok was well over one-hundred years old, whereas T'Pol appears to be under 30. It would be expected for there to be a large difference in maturity levels between the two.

[Filmmaker]

Oh yeah, hey elektra! :) Glad you've liked what you've seen so far...

[BT]

Just wanted to chime in after everyone's already hashed and rehashed their opinions on the Pilot. :)

[dons flame retardant pajamas]
I have to say that the theme song was a refreshing and pleasant change of pace for me. Having every other ST series start out with a Williams'esque symphonic score had me expecting another one sounding like all the others, but the new theme song was a nice surprise. I think it will grow on some of you (probably not all of you) :p
[/removes flame retardant pajamas]

Is it me or is T'Pol the first silicone enhanced Vulcan you've ever seen? WOW :jawdrop: I definitely wasn't expecting the "decontamination rubdown scene" :D

More likes:
Bumbling humans in space! Scared of other races! No shields! Bad aim!

Someone mentioned in a post two pages ago about whether or not the Enterprise fired back at any of the Suliban pods that were shooting at them. Well, they did fire off a few shots, but managed to hit a whole lotta space, which I though was cool since they'd just gotten the targeting scanners 'calibrated' and they obviously need to do some more calibrating on those puppies. :) Which means that they won't be shooting first and asking questions later too often...

Lastly, I liked how Sato was totally uncomfortable with the ship while travelling at warp 4 speeds, i.e. unsure if the ship was going to shake apart or not. Very funny!

Definitely looking forward to the rest of the first season.

[elektra]

For some odd reason, the "future guy" reminded me of the Admiral from Starfleet that we saw earlier. But if it's a Romulan, that would be a nice touch.

[Jadzia]

Was the "future guy" played by Michael York?

Sure sounded like and looked like him too from what I could tell.

That would be cool it it was "Logan".

[Filmmaker]

It'd be even cooler if it was Dean Stockwell... ;) :D

[elektra]

Jadzia - I met him once. Quite by surprise. Very nice man.

Filmmaker - :)

[DVD~Demonoid]

Originally posted by Filmjester
I hated it. The first hour was okay, not horrible, but not bad either. But once the bad writing kicked in I started to hate it. Im sure the writers were thinking,

"Our ideas won't sell, so lets have a scene with a girl in a shower. It won't make any sense, but we don't have any talent
anyways."

Or maybe thats what I was thinking.

Cons:
Typical Vulcan, does something human and cares for humans.
Vulcan shower scene, Im not 13 and it was incredably stupid.
Intro. The theme song should have been classical music over a shot of space, and then a shot of the enterprise. Not hard.


Pros:
It won't last long.
Makes Voyger look appealing.
Gene Roddenbarys(NOT SPELLED RIGHT) wife had nothing to do with it.
Its on UPN.
Just it being on UPN cheapens it and makes it horribly stupid. No movies coming out this life time :D


You are in the minority on this one dood! This show rocks. Trek is BACK!! Voyager SUCKS.

Eric

[John-In-VA]

Originally posted by Filmmaker
I'm convinced that, no matter how humanity may grow beyond the need for war and racism in the future, men will still be childishly warm for the female form well into the 25th century and beyond

All of humanity has a "need" to be racist? Umm, ok.

[Kudama]

Originally posted by DVD~Demonoid
Trek is BACK!! Voyager SUCKS.
Eric

C’mon. It wasn’t that bad. (I mean people talk about watching Survivor and Big Brother here.) I’ll admit that compared to the other Treks it’s a little lacking, but it’s had some pretty cool story devices and some really good episodes. So it has a higher ratio of stinkers, no biggie.

Who knows who has seen these, so…
I like the Relativity episode better than any of the episodes of DS9 I’ve seen (although that might be because it looked like Shirow Masamune designed the temporal police ship). And the episode where the doppelgangers from the demon class planet all slowly realize they aren’t the real crew and die in despair was really cool (if they had been brave enough to end the series finale on a downer note I would have sung their praises.)

This show gets slammed harder than it deserves.
Just my .02 strips of latinum

I’m in full agreement that this new show can be one the gems (if not better than TNG, hail mary). I loved the airliner style slide throttles and ineffectual pulse weapons (that probably would have kicked ass on Terra and the damn Vulcans let us believe that was enough!).

[MrN]

Anyone else catch T'Pol showing up in the dream/flashback?

I also read that she's supposed to be 65 years old, so I wonder if she figures even more deeply in the captain's history...

[adamblast]

Originally posted by MrN
Anyone else catch T'Pol showing up in the dream/flashback?

I also read that she's supposed to be 65 years old, so I wonder if she figures even more deeply in the captain's history... I saw that, but I took it to be stylistic, just his coming out of unconsciousness, rather than anything literal... Still, you never know...

[Filmmaker]

Originally posted by John-in-VA:
All of humanity has a "need" to be racist? Umm, ok.

Does humanity seem to have an ages-old need for violence against his fellow man? A need to belittle him? A need to boost his own fractured ego by classifying other races as beneath his? A need to withhold education and occupational opportunities from same? A need to practice genocide on those he feels to be genetically or intellectually substandard to him? Yeah, seems to me too many humans have a tragic hunger, a need if you will, to consider themselves better than others of their ilk. If you disagree, just ask the American Muslims who had their mosques torched and their family members murdered by certain misguided members outside of their race less than two weeks ago in our great land of the United States, in light of the World Trade Center/Pentagon attack...it's a bitter pill, but humanity's still got a long way to go...

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by BT
Having every other ST series start out with a Williams'esque symphonic score had me expecting another one sounding like all the others ...


Take that back ... now :) Sandy, Jerry, and Dennis are not like Williams in any way. They take chances and write scores for films they know might not gross $500 million ... especially Jerry. He writes incredible, awe-inspiring music and should not be compared to the prolificly thematic Williams. Thank you :) :)

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Kudama


C’mon. It wasn’t that bad.

So it has a higher ratio of stinkers, no biggie.

This show gets slammed harder than it deserves.


I WAS in full agreement with you. Voyager had a great premise and an excellent cast. I'd watch it frequently, and every once in a while they'd make a very good episode. But over time it became too difficult to ignore the way they stole and ruined most of TNG's best plots and villians. Still, I was forgiving ... until the finale. It's one thing to not have a good show ... it's another thing entirely to sacrifice the morality of the Trek universe and glorify the most reprehensible actions. I am now a full-fledged, card-carrying member of the Voyager is SUCK Society. I still love the actors and wish them the best of success, but too many of the mistakes made by that show were gross and unforgiveable and overshadowed all the good they did in between.

das

[Riker]

Originally posted by Alvis
The oil rubdown scene was totally contrived. Those lines could have been delivered anywhere else on the ship.

Tell me about it... That was so low brow and low class. Seems they are appealing to the Xena audience again. I have heard so many people that just watched Voyager because of Two of 44DD.

And what if only one person was contaminated, how would they cover themselves? And what about the parts INSIDE her shorts that he refused to go into. Wouldn't leaving any exposed areas be out of the question? Bleh... Add to that the colorful metaphors and it just doesn't seem like Trek. I know that's the point of what they wanted but I dont like the way it's been executed.

[Riker]

Originally posted by das Monkey
If the song's not gone by Second Season, there will be a revolt, and there's nothing like angry Trekkies to ruin your day :)
das

When I heard it was going to be a rock song, I thought it might be Magic Carpet Ride :) They did have part of that scene from the movie in there though...

[Riker]

Originally posted by BT
Lastly, I liked how Sato was totally uncomfortable with the ship while travelling at warp 4 speeds, i.e. unsure if the ship was going to shake apart or not. Very funny!


And don't forget, this will be using the 'old' method of measuring warp speed so warp 4 is slower than it is in TNG. In TNG warp speed was capped at warp 10. They got up to warp 9.9999 or whatever but that's it. Kirk's Enterprise reached, what, warp 13 in one episode?

[Patman]

RE: rubdown - the only place that either T'Pol or Trip needed the other to rub the gel was on the backs, each could easily rub the gel on their butts and backs of their legs quite easily, so that all they needed to show in that unnecessary (but welcomed by men) scene was the rubbing on the gel on each other's backs. :)

I thought T'Pol wasn't cold enough emotionally. And I don't think it has as much to do with the age of character, but moreso on the acting ability of the actress. Will there ever be a day where she (Jolene Blalock) dons a better looking hairdo? Probably not (a shame too).

[mikehunt]

agreed, I liked Voyager

Originally posted by Kudama

This show gets slammed harder than it deserves.
Just my .02 strips of latinum

[mikehunt]

so did the enterprise d in all good things :)

Originally posted by Riker


And don't forget, this will be using the 'old' method of measuring warp speed so warp 4 is slower than it is in TNG. In TNG warp speed was capped at warp 10. They got up to warp 9.9999 or whatever but that's it. Kirk's Enterprise reached, what, warp 13 in one episode?

[DVD007]

Originally posted by Patman
Doesn't T'Pol remind you of Hillary Swank (of Boys Don't Cry)?

YES!!! I was thinking that the whole time...

[mikehunt]

that would have been cool

Originally posted by Riker


When I heard it was going to be a rock song, I thought it might be Magic Carpet Ride :) They did have part of that scene from the movie in there though...

[ratguy]

Originally posted by Riker
And don't forget, this will be using the 'old' method of measuring warp speed so warp 4 is slower than it is in TNG. In TNG warp speed was capped at warp 10. They got up to warp 9.9999 or whatever but that's it. Kirk's Enterprise reached, what, warp 13 in one episode?

I was sort of wondering about that. If I remember correctly, Warp 10 in TNG is infinite speed, hence the cap at 10. Also.. isn't it also set up similar to the Richter scale in that Warp 9 is twice as fast as warp 8? Er.. wait.. that would mean that Warp 9 is 1/2 infinity, which is also infinity. Anyone care to learn me the right way?

Ratguy

[elektra]

I guess I will be one of the few that can't forgive the creators/studio for Voyager. They took to many "liberties" and made the show unwatchable for me. Nothing against the actors and such, but the show sucked for me and I will never own or watch it again.

[Red Dog]

Originally posted by ratguy


I was sort of wondering about that. If I remember correctly, Warp 10 in TNG is infinite speed, hence the cap at 10. Also.. isn't it also set up similar to the Richter scale in that Warp 9 is twice as fast as warp 8? Er.. wait.. that would mean that Warp 9 is 1/2 infinity, which is also infinity. Anyone care to learn me the right way?

Ratguy


I thought I heard or read somewhere that warp speed works exponentially. Warp 1 is light speed. Warp 2 is light speed x 10 (to the first power), Warp 3 is light speed x 10 squared, Warp 4 is light speed x 10 cubed, etc...

[das Monkey]

Geek Alert:

OK, since you asked ... :)

TOS Warp is pretty simple.

Velocity = (Warp Factor)^3 * Speed of Light

Which means Warp 1 is 1c, Warp 2 is 8c, and Warp 10 is 1000c. Pretty straight forward. Consequently, the NCC-1701 could travel at speeds higher than Warp 10 (not on its own power of course, but the universe would allow it to achieve that speed) like in "That Which Survives" where it goes nice and fast (Warp 14 or thereabouts). Some people adopted this Chi factor, which is a localized density of matter, and multiplied that in, but I've never bought that theory. Warp 1 was always supposed to be the speed of light, and the chi theory doesn't mesh with that.

TNG Warp is much more complicated. There are many arguments in favor of different formulae and data, but the common points are clear. Warp goes from 1 to 10, incresing exponentially as it approaches 10. It's like the rabbit that goes halfway across the remaining road with each jump ... he'll get infinitely close, but never arrive. Anyway, Warps 1 through 9 are comparable to TOS Warps; they increase a little quicker, so Warp 1 is still 1c, Warp 2 is fairly close at 10c and Warp 9 is closer to 1500c whereas TOS Warp 9 is 729. Don't quote me on the TNG numbers - I don't have any formulas with me, but I remember TNG Warp 9 is about twice TOS Warp 9. From TNG Warp 9 to Warp 10, you get expoentially faster as you approach, so Warp 9.9 is significantly faster than 9.8, and 9.99 than 9.98, etc. You never make it to Warp 10, despite what they say in "Where No One Has Gone Before"

Computer, turn off Geek Mode.

das

[ratguy]

Thanks, das Monkey!

Ratguy

[elektra]

Do you guys think it would be worth the effort to post a thread in the Studio forum with our likes and dislikes regarding the show? I would think, well-thought out and polite, professional sounding posts might be taken into consideration.

I was suprised how many guys didn't care for the shower scene.

[Kudama]

Originally posted by elektra
I was suprised how many guys didn't care for the shower scene.

Yeah. It’s not an issue of being against pornography of any “core” level, but rather how appropriate that scene was for the show. It would have seemed out of place on ER or Law & Order as well. It felt to me like they were singling out their audience, not as people who enjoy fun and well thought out science fiction, but as all male, socially inept, horny shut-ins. Please.
Besides, I didn’t have my towel handy.

[elektra]

I does seem like that's all they consider their core audience to be and I find it a bit insulting.

Bummer about the towel. Hope you had a box of Kleenex near-by (grin and duck)

[ratguy]

Originally posted by elektra
I was suprised how many guys didn't care for the shower scene.

I did really enjoy the scene, but also thought it was very out of place for the show. What might be right for me, might not be right for the show. :)

And I did have my towel nearby.

Ratguy

[adamblast]

As a Douglas Adams fan, I always carry a towel when I travel the galaxy. You can never count on alien kleenex.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by elektra
I was suprised how many guys didn't care for the shower scene.

What surprises me is that after all these years, Paramount still hasn't figured out their demographic. Breast lovers will never watch Sci-Fi unless they like Sci-Fi to begin with, and people that like Sci-Fi are usually looking for more intelligent TV. There are many other channels to get T&A, and the Star Trek demo is probably adept enough with their computer to find plenty on the Internet, so it just doesn't make sense to me.

Paramount has a long history of pooping on their fans. They don't understand simple concepts. Like non-profit fansites ... my degree's in Electrical Engineering, so perhaps I don't understand the innerworkings of cut-throat money-grubbing, but it seems to me that non-profit fansites are nothing but free advertising, promoting discussion and interest in the shows. But what do I know? All I care about is breasts ... at least that's what their research tells them.

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by adamblast
As a Douglas Adams fan, I always carry a towel when I travel the galaxy. You can never count on alien kleenex.

I thought the same thing. Thankfully, Towelie is touring the world reminding us all.

das

[elektra]

das - okay, this is creepy. Glenn has a degree electrical engineering too. He could wander in here later....

Towelie - You wanna get high?

[Slumbering Fist]

Well, its an even balance between the good and the bad attempts at moving forward...
The Showering was trying to be sexual like the first series (at least I'm sure thats the excuse they'll make), but in this day and age, it seemd too obvious and hackneyed. It aint the swinging sixties anymore, and Trek fans like to drool but not have it so bluntly forced on them. They already gave us one sexual object character who looked like she had been punched in the mouth, now we have another, so its shaky ground there. Agree she needs a better wig, it flattens out at the top awkwardly.
The Theme Song is just lame.
Cussing Fine by me. Say what you can get away with, its how people talk.
Limited Technology is great. They need to have the technology be more a source of conflict, rather than a solution to conflict like Next Generation and Voyager always did.

Am I the only person who thinks the uniforms need to evolve a little? I just dont like the ranking being so slight, even in the army today, the rank/core insignias are easier to distinguish. It makes little sense that he rankings went from slightly defined (today), to less-defined (Enterprise), to well-defined (all other Trek series). That little band of color just isnt enough, they at least need some chest insignia or arm band.

[mikehunt]

they have TNG style pips on their right breast
the color is their department like in TOS
gold: command
red: engineering/security/general services
blue: science/medical

Originally posted by Slumbering Fist

Am I the only person who thinks the uniforms need to evolve a little? I just dont like the ranking being so slight, even in the army today, the rank/core insignias are easier to distinguish. It makes little sense that he rankings went from slightly defined (today), to less-defined (Enterprise), to well-defined (all other Trek series). That little band of color just isnt enough, they at least need some chest insignia or arm band.

[bboisvert]

I basically agree with a lot of people here... my overall grade is a B-/C+ for the first episode. I'll definitely stick with it for a few more episodes, and if I do get sick of it and bail, I'll probably peek in during Season 2 or 3 to see if things have improved.

Overall impressions:

I love how lots of articles have been mentioning how the show was trying to not stress "Star Trek" so much... sort of distance itself from the previous shows (no ST in title, pop theme song, etc.) Yet once the show started, we jumped straight into technobabble head first! ;) I suppose I consider this a good thing (since I enjoy ST), but I just had to laugh, after being told how "different" this show would be.

I'll keep my thoughts on the theme song brief, because I think there is nearly 100% agreement. The images were wonderful, the song is terrible and inappropriate for the show... I don't know how no one seemed to realize this.

The cast is pretty good so far. Except the breasts, er... vulcan. She is doing an absolute terrible job of portraying her character. I don't know if it is the acting or writing (or both), but someone seems to think that being emotionless and logical is the same as being bitchy. The shower scene and skin tight suit they have her in are both stupid as well.

I would have liked to see a bit less technology used in the show. So far, it seems to be fairly high tech for being 100+ years before Kirk. I was expecting to see a real klunky ship, but the ship almost looked like something out of DS9. I have to cut them a *bit* of slack here (since it must be pretty tough to build a bridge from this show to TOS to TNG), but I suspect this will be a problem for the whole run of the show.

The writing (as usual lately) was pretty weak. I didn't get the "sense of wonder" that I should have had about this maiden voyage, nor did I ever get the sense that this crew was unsure of themselves or ever in any real danger. When we are venturing deep into space for the first time, I (as an audience member) should definitely be feeling some emotions -- awe, anxiety, danger, etc. There was none of that in this first story -- it just seemed to be going through the motions.

First shows are always difficult and awkward, so I tend to give them a break... they've had to introduce a bunch of cast members, create relationships, and also tell and interesting story. Tough to do. So, I will definitely stick around for a while... but I hope to see some improvements.

Edited to add: Forgot to mention that UPN deserves a big thumbs up for broadcasting this in widescreen.

[Slumbering Fist]

Originally posted by mikehunt
they have TNG style pips on their right breast
the color is their department like in TOS
gold: command
red: engineering/security/general services
blue: science/medical


Yes, I know, but my point is they are not distiunguished well and fade into the dark color of the uniforms. I would like to see either bolder breast, shoulder or arm pathces.

[mikehunt]

what would be cool would be shoulder stripes, like US navy personnel, that would lead easier to the TOS stripes on the sleeves. why go from pips, to stripes, to pips

Originally posted by Slumbering Fist

Yes, I know, but my point is they are not distiunguished well and fade into the dark color of the uniforms. I would like to see either bolder breast, shoulder or arm pathces.

[JuryDuty]

LOVED this premiere--one of the best of the season. It gave Star Trek an edge it hasn't had in a long time and made me want MORE!

Only two complaints: the contrived rubdown and the contrived way that Archer got stranded on the alien vessel. Other than that, excellent.

As for T'Pol's slightly "imperfect" Vulcan performance, I thought there were a few words exchanged between the characters regarding this--how she wasn't the perfect example of a Vulcan. Made me wonder if we're going to find out she's not full-blooded Vulcan or fully-trained or something.

[Draven]

Caught the re-run tonight, and here are my thoughts:

I am going to cut them a ton of slack on the level of technology. The simple fact is that TOS looked "futuristic" when it aired on television. There is no way I am going to believe that our first ships aren't going to have technology that is available TODAY.
Plasma screens, for example. Why WOULDN'T this ship have that kind of stuff.

Why wouldn't it be designed to be cramped and reinforced with visible supports. I thought it looked more like a submarine/battleship which is exactly what it is supposed to look like.

I agree the T&A scene was a bit much, but I thought it was interesting that the characters never seemed to "get into it." They were doing this obviously sexual thing, but they just kept right on talking and arguing. That was the point, to show that it's going to be awhile before they develop into something.

Loved the fact they weren't 100% sure how to do things. I loved that the engineer chunked their stolen pod into a wall. I mean, the pilots and gunners on all the other series never missed a shot! (Well, except Worf...man did he suck as a gunner)

I liked it, I'll stick with it.

[nemein]

:lol:

http://www.userfriendly.org/

<img src="http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/01sep/xuf003470.gif">

[Filmmaker]

Originally posted by draven-x:
I agree the T&A scene was a bit much, but I thought it was interesting that the characters never seemed to "get into it." They were doing this obviously sexual thing, but they just kept right on talking and arguing. That was the point, to show that it's going to be awhile before they develop into something.

Fair enough, but I think everybody's complaint is that someone neglected to tell the cameraman...

[roark1138]

My quick impression of the pilot ... though these are issues that, thankfully, a lot of other posters have relayed as well.

The theme song has got to go. The collage of images working their way from the beginning of exploration to current (Trek-time) was really really nice, but the song just simply doesn't compliment it at all. The theme is very...UPN-ish.

I was completely disgusted by the shower scene. It was in poor taste and I lost a lot of respect for the folks managing this new Trek series after that scene. As many others have echoed, it was insulting to many of us, both men and women, and there was no point to it...it was not a scene that was critical (or even applicable, as far as I could tell). I knew there was going to be more skin in this series, for example the dancers in the bar catching the butterflies, but I was not expecting what came later.

As the "gel scene" progressed I thought they were going to be introducing some sort of attraction that Tucker had for T'Pol..and it would be an opportunity to introduce some interesting conversation about Vulcan females, mating, etc, and finish it off with Tucker making some sort of self-humiliating pass on T'Pol. But it never happened. I later thought all the skin close-ups were perhaps "following Tucker's eyes" as he checked out T'Pol, but after re-watching the scene, it's clear that Tucker wasn't even really looking at her. The point of the scene was simply "skin" and it being left in the final cut was a shameless, obvious attempt to hook any potential hormone-crazed fans to the series.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind watching a hottie get oiled down, but in my opinion, that kind of blatant scene does not belong in Trek.

I haven't decided how I feel about about the new ship design (I'm sure it will grow on me), but internally, I think the ship is fantastic and the sets are great. I really dig the more..primitive (shape-wise), industrial look and feel. Lot's of metal. Very cool.

Some of the scenes were fantastic and show a lot of matured Trek-goodies we've loved throughout the years and that continue to only get better. The small-arms fight during the Rigel 10 escape was great, as was the first approach and mission to the space station inside the gas giant.

Overall, I think it was a good pilot and it definitely has caught my interest. In my opinion, certainly not the best Trek pilot, but I think it shows real promise. Character development beyond Archer was virtually non-existent, but that's what the next 5-7 years are for. :) I look forward to seeing more..!

[Wizdar]

I’m a little late getting into this, but then it took me a couple of days before I had the time to sit down and watch the whole thing without distractions.

First off, das, I’m impressed with your knowledge of Trek. :thumbsup: There’s a difference between being an expert and being a geek. At least there was until you started talking about warp speeds. :)

Some of my thoughts:

Music: blows. Personally, I think any Trek theme music should at least have the three notes that pay homage to TOS. But even forgiving that, Voyager was a step in the wrong direction. This theme sounds even less like Trek.

Language: well, sonuvabitch, I’ve got mixed feelings about that. When TOS aired it was a different time. Language like that wasn’t used on TV. However, even as late as The Voyage Home a reference is made to language. I’ve got no problem with the language, generally. But [I can’t believe I’m saying this] I think it was a bit gratuitous.

Continuity with TOS (technology): it’s only the first episode. If we’re not too critical, I think it’ll be fun watching what could be inside jokes. Remember, McCoy hated the transporter.

Continuity with TOS (other): one can only hope they know that hard-core fans will be watching. Suspension of disbelief, to varying degrees, is necessary for enjoyment of SF and Sci-Fi. ST fan(atic)s do not always understand this. Fortunately, I think there are a lot of possibilities without running afoul of what has already happened in the future. ;)

Something I’m surprised nobody has mentioned:

Love/hate relationship with the Vulcans: how many things have prompted us, as kids, to say, “I’ll never be like that when I grow up”? Especially about our parents. Then we grow up, have kids, and do it anyway. [Trust me, kiddies. It happens.] The Vulcans want humans to grow up before they give us the keys to the car, and we’re pissed! But much later Starfleet develops this Prime Directive thingie. Hmmmm.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Wizdar
First off, das, I’m impressed with your knowledge of Trek. :thumbsup: There’s a difference between being an expert and being a geek. At least there was until you started talking about warp speeds. :)

I'm having trouble reading this ... is this a compliment or an insult? :)

das

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by das Monkey
I'm having trouble reading this ... is this a compliment or an insult? :)

das Let's just say it wasn't intended as an insult. It just kinda came out that way and I'll shut up now... :blush:












Hey, das, has anyone ever told you how impressive your Trek knowledge is? :)

[Alvis]

Has anyone found Broken Bow in it's entirety on Morpheus yet?

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Wizdar
Hey, das, has anyone ever told you how impressive your Trek knowledge is? :)

:) Nope, you're the first. I'd much rather be known for my mad skills in bed, though, but I'll take what I can get. You wouldn't believe how much the ladies are drawn to a man who knows his Trek. :)

das

[mikehunt]

that must be why I have to beat them off with a stick ;)

Originally posted by das Monkey


:) Nope, you're the first. I'd much rather be known for my mad skills in bed, though, but I'll take what I can get. You wouldn't believe how much the ladies are drawn to a man who knows his Trek. :)

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by mikehunt
that must be why I have to beat them off with a stick ;)



The ugly stick, I assume :)

das

[elektra]

Is this my cue to chime in on das' bed skills..... ;)

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by elektra
Is this my cue to chime in on das' bed skills..... ;) NO pics, please! :)

[mikehunt]

well no one else is going to :)

Originally posted by elektra
Is this my cue to chime in on das' bed skills..... ;)

[mikehunt]

hell yeah :)

Originally posted by das Monkey


The ugly stick, I assume :)

das

[strife]

Did anyone else notice the drawing of the previose ships named Enterprise? I didn't even notice till I watched it again. So they have kept some tradition. BTW what happened the purple Klingon blood?

[mikehunt]

DS9 and Voy. used red blood too
I heard a rumor that it was purple in ST6 simply to avoid an R rating

Originally posted by strife
Did anyone else notice the drawing of the previose ships named Enterprise? I didn't even notice till I watched it again. So they have kept some tradition. BTW what happened the purple Klingon blood?

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by mikehunt
DS9 and Voy. used red blood too
I heard a rumor that it was purple in ST6 simply to avoid an R rating Actually, even with a fairly low blood-alcohol content, blood gives off a purple hue when subjected to null gravity too near the warp core. And you KNOW how Klingons love to drink!

[strife]

I knew DS9 Voyager used red I still think the purple looked cool, but the rating think seems more logical.

[mikehunt]

I think purple would be cool to use in the series too, another difference between humans and klingons

Originally posted by strife
I knew DS9 Voyager used red I still think the purple looked cool, but the rating think seems more logical.

[Giantrobo]

I finally saw the show on Sunday and I liked it.

I liked the way Humans were portrayed in this show....HUMAN....more like Kirk era humans. With passion and a primal heart beating within. Not the usual Trek wimp humans of the last 3 series.

The ship was nice looking and had a cozy feel to it. It also seemed like a powerful ship although it, by Trek standards, is antiquated.

The Captain was a man full of HEART and he carried BIG BRASS ONES a la Kirk. The last three Captains were great in their own way but you must admit Kirk had 'em all licked when it came to Brass ones...rotfl

The theme...I liked it. Why? I think all 'uze guys are missing the fact that this show, in many ways, is about HUMANITY and the HEART that beats within us. The heart that makes man and womankind want to get out in space and brave the dangers of discovery.....I know, it sounds corny...but think about it. This show is PRIMAL, and the STERILE music usually chosen for the series just wouldn't cut it. And I hope thy don't cut it..... :johnwoo:

The shower scenes was neat but I didn't need a shower scene to tell me that Vulcan babe is gonna get involved with somebody on the ship. There's just too much TENSION...and sometimes TENSION breeds SEX. I hope.....

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by elektra
Is this my cue to chime in on das' bed skills..... ;)

Thanks, sweetie ;)

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
The theme...I liked it. Why? I think all 'uze guys are missing the fact that this show, in many ways, is about HUMANITY and the HEART that beats within us. The heart that makes man and womankind want to get out in space and brave the dangers of discovery.....I know, it sounds corny...but think about it. This show is PRIMAL, and the STERILE music usually chosen for the series just wouldn't cut it. And I hope thy don't cut it..... :johnwoo:


Somehow Rod Stewart singing a Diane Warren song used in Patch Adams doesn't scream "primal" and "heart" to me. I'm sure 12 year-old girls love that kind of thing, but it's little more than sugar pop. I'll admit that through rewatching, I'm getting used to it, but I still don't like it.

das

[elektra]

das - anytime you magnificent Stud Muffin you..... :D

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by elektra
das - anytime you magnificent Stud Muffin you..... :D

:blush:

das

[Wizdar]

Puleeeze! I'm tryin' to have breakfast here! :yack:

[elektra]

Wizdar - (said in Nelson Muntz voice) HAHA!

[Jnuke]

It was better than I expected. But that song.........

Musically, I have no objections whatsoever to them adding some guitar or giving it a rock feel, but lyrically and vocally that was just awful. I cringe in terror at the thought of having to listen to that thing for the next seven years.

[Slumbering Fist]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Not the usual Trek wimp humans of the last 3 series...

The Captain was a man full of HEART and he carried BIG BRASS ONES a la Kirk. The last three Captains were great in their own way but you must admit Kirk had 'em all licked when it came to Brass ones...

I dont quite know about that. I'd still rather get in fight with Archer over Sisko any day. Sisko had caveman rage, when it came to digging into a tough situation.

[joe liquor]

Would any of my fellow DVD Talk members who taped the first episode be willing to arrange a copy for my sorry a$$?

I missed the premiere last Wed. due to work and set my VCR to record Sunday's replay while I was out of town. Low and behold the POS Maxell tape was defective and I'm w/o the show to view. I am willing to pay the shipping and any other expenses for someone willing to help me out.

If someone can help me out, please email me.


Please disregard...I've found a copy...thanks for the offers everyone!

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by jpalm
Would any of my fellow DVD Talk members who taped the first episode be willing to arrange a copy for my sorry a$$?

I missed the premiere last Wed. due to work and set my VCR to record Sunday's replay while I was out of town. Low and behold the POS Maxell tape was defective and I'm w/o the show to view. I am willing to pay the shipping and any other expenses for someone willing to help me out.

If someone can help me out, please email me.


jpalm@cometlink.com

My copy certainly isn't the best quality, but I'd be happy to send it your way. Use me as a last resort, though, because I have a really bad cable feed, and there's artifacting everywhere :( Also, it's all over the newsgroups in both full mpeg format and smaller divx format if you're just interested in the content. The mpeg version I downloaded (and can send you when I get the second hour) was better quality than my VHS copy anyway.

das

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by das Monkey


Somehow Rod Stewart singing a Diane Warren song used in Patch Adams doesn't scream "primal" and "heart" to me. I'm sure 12 year-old girls love that kind of thing, but it's little more than sugar pop. I'll admit that through rewatching, I'm getting used to it, but I still don't like it.

das

whatever.

All I'm sayin' is the song was a nice change from the usual orchestral stuff.

you gotta give them credit for trying to do something different.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Slumbering Fist


I dont quite know about that. I'd still rather get in fight with Archer over Sisko any day. Sisko had caveman rage, when it came to digging into a tough situation.

sure....

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Giantrobo


whatever.

All I'm sayin' is the song was a nice change from the usual orchestral stuff.

you gotta give them credit for trying to do something different.

I did ... three pages ago :)

das

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by das Monkey


I did ... three pages ago :)

das


smartass... :p

[Alvis]

Originally posted by das Monkey


My copy certainly isn't the best quality, but I'd be happy to send it your way. Use me as a last resort, though, because I have a really bad cable feed, and there's artifacting everywhere :( Also, it's all over the newsgroups in both full mpeg format and smaller divx format if you're just interested in the content. The mpeg version I downloaded (and can send you when I get the second hour) was better quality than my VHS copy anyway.

das

Where did you download the mpeg version from?

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Alvis


Where did you download the mpeg version from?

I got it from alt.binaries.multimedia ... there are also a few in alt.binaries.multimedia.startrek. My damn_server dumped all of alt.binaries.multimedia while I was halfway finished with the last rar file, so I can't build the second hour yet :/

das

[JuryDuty]

Originally posted by Alvis
Where did you download the mpeg version from?

Surely you could get it from Morpheus, too.

[JuryDuty]

Anyone know how Enterprise did in the ratings???

[Alvis]

Downloaded it as an avi file from Morpheus. Apparently I don't know what to do with these as all I get is sound, no video. :(

Says the codec is divx, if that helps.

[JuryDuty]

Originally posted by Alvis
Downloaded it as an avi file from Morpheus. Apparently I don't know what to do with these as all I get is sound, no video. :(

Says the codec is divx, if that helps.

This happened to me last week when I downloaded the Letterman monologue. What you have to do is download and install a DIVX player like The Playa (DIVX4) at divx.com. Then you can use that program to view the file, or good ol' Windows Media Player.

[JarJarBinks]

Originally posted by Venusian
oh yeah, and how do they explain that we never see these aliens again? like the doctor or the chameleon folk

http://www.enterprisecrew.com/crew/1phlox.jpg

http://www.if.is./~kristinf/startrek/char/dukat.gif

The doctor looks somewhat like a cardassian, it is a physician cultural exchange program, so it could be possible. I dunno. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks II

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by JuryDuty
Anyone know how Enterprise did in the ratings???

I haven't seen the final ratings, but in the overnights it grabbed 2nd place in both timeslots with a 9.9/15. In the 8-9, it was edged out by 60 Mins II, and in the 9-10, it was beaten pretty handily by The West Wing. That second hour is pretty useless though since it will be airing in that first slot. Like I said, though, that's just the overnights, and Star Trek is notorious for big dropoffs once the rural networks check in. Still, it looks good.

das

[huzefa]

"Our new weapons are here. They're called phase-pistols. "
"Good."
"They have two settings, stun and kill."


Hahaa...i just cracked up at those lines!

[mikehunt]

a little later

"stun works"

Originally posted by huzefa
"Our new weapons are here. They're called phase-pistols. "
"Good."
"They have two settings, stun and kill."


Hahaa...i just cracked up at those lines!

[Tom Campbell]

It's interesting to me to read all these comments bashing Enterprise for doing things too different from the other Trek series, particularly where the title song is concerned.

For the record, I don't have a problem with the song. Not at all. It works perfectly with the visuals used and conveys the message that the focus of the series is on the human drive to constantly move forward and not give up. True, the episode itself did not necessarily stick to the feel expressed by the song, but the producers said they wanted that type of feel and they at least managed it with the opening.

Voyager got bashed over its seven year run for not being different. Now that there's a Trek show that is trying to be different, people are screaming that they want it to be the same. (I particularly am amused by the argument that every other Trek series has an orchestral opening, thus Enterprise must have one as well.) How about showing some of the tolerance that Roddenberry tried to preache through these series and give this show and the various aspects of it a chance to grow on you rather than condemning parts of it completely after one episode? Hell, how many of you were the ones crying about how awful Next Gen was after "Encounter at Farpoint"? Give the show a chance to grow and iron out the wrinkles. You may even find the things you initially find distasteful will become bearable.

Tom

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Tom Campbell
...


I must be reading another thread, because I don't see too much Enterprise bashing in here. The two main things I see is that people don't like the song, and people don't like the gratuitous sex. OK, and people don't like the fact that T'Pol doesn't act like a Vulcan. Three things.

Growth is wonderful. Change is welcomed. Change for the sake of change, however, is silly.

Orchestral theme would be great. Rock song would be great. Tribal bongos would be great. But, for me, the song doesn't work. No, it's not because I'm so short-sighted and arrogant so as not to give it a chance ... it's because it just doesn't work for me. The song is a metaphor for life that's been twisted to be taken literally for space travel. It just comes across silly to me.

Sure, we all want something different, but not when that difference just insults us ... like the rub-down scene. What the hell? Or when the difference defies the Trek universe - not nitpicking, but major changes that don't make sense.

As for Farpoint ... while it was a great introduction to the series that set the tone for what kind of television was to follow, it still had some serious problems. Just because TNG was a great series does not mean that its first episodes weren't, in some cases, dreadfully bad. Can you say "Haven" ... how about "Angel One"? Criticizing the faults of a television episode is vastly different from condemning the series. I condemn Voyager for a consistent attempt to undermine morality in Trek. I criticize the pilot of Enterprise for a few minor problems that I hope are reworked throughout the course of the series.

But, as most people have said in this thread, we LOVED the pilot and are really looking forward to this series. So, we had a few complaints ... that's hardy "bashing" the series. I fully expect T'Pol's character to evolve and grow on me (huh-huh ...) and for Blalock to grow into the Vulcan character as well, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize her performance in the pilot as being strangely emotional. When we find out she's really a Romulan, then I'll say, "Wow ... her performance was genius". Until then, I'll probably be saying, "I really admire the way Blalock has grown as a Vulcan from those first few episodes." To be fair, look at Spock. In his first few eps as a Vulcan, he was running around shouting at everything. Even the master stumbled before he figured it out.

Anyway, I'm rambling now ... just keep in mind that criticism is sometimes healthy, and few of us are bashing this new series at all.

das

[elektra]

das - word :thumbsup:

[JuryDuty]

Just as an interesting note...

I was talking to a non-trekkie friend about Enterprise and he loved it. He said what hooked him was the opening credits and song. I think what the creators were doing with it was trying to get non-trekkies hooked, and maybe it's doing just that.

Personally, the song didn't bother me that much either, and I can put up with it as long as they keep the stories good. But I agree with das--the insulting stuff like gratuitus sex is just stupid to put in there--for anyone watching, trekkie or non.

[Filmmaker]

Well said, das Monkey. Just to reiterate, Tom Campbell, I bash the theme song not because it's different, but because it's bad--that's not meant to be a glib answer, it's just that simple...

[Tom Campbell]

My comment was reserved more for the people making comments like "the theme song has ruined the show for me". Everybody has a right to an opinion, a right to like or dislike aspects of the show, but letting little things like the theme music ruin it seems somewhat silly.

And, yes, if you go back to the first several pages of this thread, there are some pretty extremist comments along those lines.

[Filmmaker]

Originally posted by Tom Campbell:
My comment was reserved more for the people making comments like "the theme song has ruined the show for me". Everybody has a right to an opinion, a right to like or dislike aspects of the show, but letting little things like the theme music ruin it seems somewhat silly.

Though I do believe emphatically that people should speak out when their entertainment of choice (or facets thereof) doesn't live up to its potential, I do agree with your sentiments here...

[Tom Campbell]

Interestingly, there is now a petition online to keep the current theme song. Take a look at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/UPN1001/petition.html .

[Patman]

Is anyone else waiting for Dean Stockwell to show up and pull Archer out of the Enterprise? :)

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Tom Campbell
Interestingly, there is now a petition online to keep the current theme song. Take a look at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/UPN1001/petition.html .

<I>We agree with the decision to use "Faith of the Heart". We also see that the series creators are truly adding "energy" as well as a certain "edginess" to the show by departing from the norm</I>

Again, I wonder what part of that "song" adds "energy" and "edginess" to the series. It's more like attending a Celine Dion concert with Kenny G as an opening act. Again, change is good; lyrical song is good; Diane Warren is bad :) "Departing from the norm" is wonderful, and I'm all for it, but that can't be a catch-all excuse for aspect of the show that are suckekeke.

das

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Patman
Is anyone else waiting for Dean Stockwell to show up and pull Archer out of the Enterprise? :)

Did you see that episode of The Family Guy? I don't think I've ever laughed so hard.

das

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by Patman
Is anyone else waiting for Dean Stockwell to show up and pull Archer out of the Enterprise? :) Actually, I'm waiting for the one time Archer says "Ho, boy!" :lol:

[bboisvert]

Originally posted by JuryDuty
Anyone know how Enterprise did in the ratings???

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html?2001-09/28/10.30.tv

[mikehunt]

loved that one

Originally posted by das Monkey


Did you see that episode of The Family Guy? I don't think I've ever laughed so hard.

das

[mikehunt]

from alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise


> Oh yea. I can get used to Archer. But then again, I was a QL fan as
well.
> I'm still waiting for Dean Stockwell to play an Admiral, and have him beat
> the **** out of a prototype tricorder.

Ooh. Yes. That's a must-have scene.

"Well, Intel says that... says that... *whack!* that you're here to...
*whack* that the Klingons are in motion..."

[WarriorPrincess]

Originally posted by das Monkey
<I>We agree with the decision to use "Faith of the Heart". We also see that the series creators are truly adding "energy" as well as a certain "edginess" to the show by departing from the norm</I>

Again, I wonder what part of that "song" adds "energy" and "edginess" to the series. It's more like attending a Celine Dion concert with Kenny G as an opening act. Again, change is good; lyrical song is good; Diane Warren is bad :) "Departing from the norm" is wonderful, and I'm all for it, but that can't be a catch-all excuse for aspect of the show that are suckekeke.

das
Scary how often we agree, das. That song is just plain bad. I'm all for change when it contributes something, but this song is just BAD BAD BAD. I literally laughed at how ridiculous their choice was.

I agree with most of the comments in this insanely long thread. :) The show rocked, loved the "low tech" aspects, loved the cast, think T'Pol has some emotions she needs to control better, and LOVED Scott Bakula (but then I always have ;)).

I even expected a bit of 7 of 9 T&A - the butterfly bar scene was a bit much, but "ok" - didn't feel it was any worse than TOS or James Bond. Two genres that I love despite the womanizing. :) But that shower scene?!?!? That has got to be the worst example of gratuitous sex shots that I've ever seen in a regular show. I was repulsed. It was NOT worthy of Trek, and it disappointed me greatly. I sincerely hope there is nothing that horrible ever placed in a show I like again. If it continues...I may or may not be able to get past it to be able to watch the show.

It never ceases to amaze me that some writers/producers/directors/whatever think that just because it's sci fi or fantasy based it must be only teenage boys watching who can't get a date and can't appreciate a good story without gratuitous sex. A lot of us are intelligent WOMEN who do NOT want to see that kind of cr@p. As you can tell by my user name I'm a huge Xena fan - but not because of the t&a, in fact DESPITE it. And even Xena never showed shots like that - amazons who were always scantily clad, sure, but not an "undressed so we can argue while boys ogle me" shot. I can even handle the catsuit - but the shower scene? Please. I lost SO much respect for everyone involved with the show based on that cr@p.

All that said - I still loved Archer. And the communications officer was great, as was the "tone" of the show (mostly ;) ). If the pre-pubescent boys (oops, I mean writers and cameramen :)) can restrain themselves enough to keep soft-core pron out of the show (and a change in themesongs would help, even if it were to just take those horrible vocals away) then I think the show will be genuinely wonderful. I suppose I'll wait and see.

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by WarriorPrincess
...TOS or James Bond. Two genres that I love... I think I'm in love... -eek-

[belboz]

Quick question along the lines of the warp factor thing, at least in terms of nerdliness. Has the new Trek shows ever explained how it is all the races speak the same language. Is there some kind of babel fish at work here or is the whole thing just sort of glossed over as a narrative convenience?

[Wizdar]

[Wizdar valiantly attempts to refrain from the glib, but nonetheless correct answer, "yes" and instead defers to das, who will no doubt have a more satisfying answer.] ;)

Actually, the "new" Trek show is examining that issue, and perhaps can come up with how the universal translator works during face-to-face meetings.

[Wizdar patiently awaits corrections.]

[mikehunt]

universal translators, which at least for the feringi is inside their ears (DS9 episode where they crash at Roswell)
technically the translators shouldn't work on the first word like they always do on the show

Originally posted by belboz
Quick question along the lines of the warp factor thing, at least in terms of nerdliness. Has the new Trek shows ever explained how it is all the races speak the same language. Is there some kind of babel fish at work here or is the whole thing just sort of glossed over as a narrative convenience?

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Wizdar
[Wizdar valiantly attempts to refrain from the glib, but nonetheless correct answer, "yes" and instead defers to das, who will no doubt have a more satisfying answer.] ;)

Actually, the "new" Trek show is examining that issue, and perhaps can come up with how the universal translator works during face-to-face meetings.

[Wizdar patiently awaits corrections.]

:) Should I just start wearing a shirt that says "I'm With Dork" and an arrow pointing up? :)

Yeah, you're pretty much right. There's not much to it other than a device to allow the story to continue seemlessly. The idea is that most cultures have a similar language structure and one of a small set of grammatical strucures, and after analyzing some dialogue, the Universal Translator could figure out enough to communicate effectively. It was always learning and analyzing. Consider 'Darmok' where the translator could translate the words, but since Darmok spoke entirely in metaphors, it couldn't make sense of what was being said ... Picard had to do that on his own.

The whole thing is riddled with holes, and there's not much viable explanation that's been presented. They've done episodes where the translator slowly learns the language and episodes where the characters have to survive without the translator, but little on how it actually works.

With regard to the babel fish, consider the Farscape episodes where John masquerades as a Peace Keeper. You'd think they'd notice that his mouth didn't match the Sebacian they were hearing :)

das

[elektra]

das is smart. he will make us go. :D

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by elektra
das is smart. he will make us go. :D rotfl

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by elektra
das is smart. he will make us go. :D

:lol:rotfl:lol:

das

[Wizdar]

Originally posted by das Monkey
:) Should I just start wearing a shirt that says "I'm With Dork" and an arrow pointing up? :) Bah! You're the one who started this "geek alert" b'ness!

rotfl










[Wizdar shamelessly pads, as if it means something...]

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Wizdar
Bah! You're the one who started this "geek alert" b'ness!

rotfl


Bah!

das

[WarriorPrincess]

Originally posted by Wizdar
I think I'm in love... -eek-
Finally...appreciated for my bizzaro taste in tv and movies. Wish people in the real world felt the same way. :D

[Patman]

Besides the universal translator business, I've always been more incredulous that the crew isn't in space suits more because how coincidental that every place the crew visits that the gravity and atmosphere is human-friendly? I always chuckle at this aspect.

[das Monkey]

Originally posted by Patman
Besides the universal translator business, I've always been more incredulous that the crew isn't in space suits more because how coincidental that every place the crew visits that the gravity and atmosphere is human-friendly? I always chuckle at this aspect.

It's just another aspect glossed over to tell a good story. Like sound effects in space. I have no problem with these things, but if you insist :), most M class planets have similar atmospheres to Earth. While some races like the Benzites need a constant stream of a specific gas, most breath a similar atmosphere. Sure, there are exceptions, and for those times, spacesuits or other measures are required, but for the most part, the humanoid species share a common ground on this one. Breathing air from one planet to the next is like moving from the factories of Pittsburgh to the humidity of Atlanta to the dryness of Phoenix.

das